Different types of hollow knight players. Yes another shorts. Enjoy :D and have fun.
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@thebattlebee Жыл бұрын
Hey, check out this video I spend 60 hours making lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/b36baYKpaaqEfqs
@IshiNy_YU Жыл бұрын
what is the name of your skin?
@thebattlebee Жыл бұрын
@@IshiNy_YU its called hive or something don't really remember
@IshiNy_YU Жыл бұрын
@@thebattlebee Thank you so much, I found it ^^
@thebattlebee Жыл бұрын
@@IshiNy_YU glad you found it :D
@Yuki-qs5mt Жыл бұрын
God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him won’t perish but will have eternal life.2
@bialex80832 жыл бұрын
Then there's me, a wanderer who takes way too much time to finish the game
@proob98532 жыл бұрын
You didn't need to expose me like that (。﹏。) 145 hours isn't a lot for HK 112%.... Right, right????
@witherking66512 жыл бұрын
Best way to play in my opinion.
@Sepi-chu_loves_moths2 жыл бұрын
Ah, but can you beat dream no more ending in 125 hours?
@witherking66512 жыл бұрын
@@Sepi-chu_loves_moths Took me 101 hours to do Dream No More. I just wanted to play the game and enjoy it, and I got what I wanted. I wish I could do another blind playthrough of it. But we’ve got Silksong so that’ll be close.
@Nerfminer22 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@tonin6881 Жыл бұрын
All jokes aside, theres a place in hell for everyone who killed the nailsmith with a spell.
@professionallysilly Жыл бұрын
The Devil himself asks them for advice
@PoisonousАй бұрын
i killed nailmaster off screen with fireball xd.
@DaSykloSlayer9224 күн бұрын
Im so happy I saved him
@jwculleton3 күн бұрын
I didn't even kill nailsmith
@innergenichiroКүн бұрын
I let him live in peace, i dont like killing him.
@crinklyonion1410 Жыл бұрын
You forgot one: The nail user, refuses (or forgets) to use spells, and always fights with just their nail.
@shinobidz2 ай бұрын
It's almost me I use nail more than spells just when necessary 😂
@kireal22 ай бұрын
@@shinobidzsame, but i only use the nail cuz it's hard to cast a spell in the battle😂
@shinobidz2 ай бұрын
@@kireal2 spells are easy for me but I like using nail because it's fun
@ChromebookdemonАй бұрын
I nail user I never use spell really
@ChromebookdemonАй бұрын
Maybe a few times during a fight if I wanna
@lukelele__2 жыл бұрын
Man really equipped heavy blow 💀
@Hummus1337Ай бұрын
It's actually pretty good for bosses
@justawimpod50679 күн бұрын
@@Hummus1337 Nah, pushing yourself and the boss further away from each other decreases the overall damage you could be doing It's good if you're trying to play extremely safe I guess otherwise it's the worst charm in the game
@niil0478 күн бұрын
@@Hummus1337 mf what
@MainCharacterOfSilksong3 күн бұрын
but the good thing about heavy blow is that it makes one hit less until they stagger so
@innergenichiroКүн бұрын
@@MainCharacterOfSilksongyeah and reduces your dps and wastes 2 notches that you could use for longnail or spell twister or literally anything else!
@waddledee66422 жыл бұрын
Nailblaster’s glory Makes your nail kill everything in one hit
@gianlukeoni17762 жыл бұрын
Perfect build to beat the shit out of NKG
@tilioalxdr2 жыл бұрын
"Precept 10 : keep your weapon sharp" one said a wise man
@kirby-impostor55942 жыл бұрын
@@tilioalxdr You overestimate that mans wisdom.
@jacobtheadventurer34452 жыл бұрын
We just aren't afraid to get close and do the work
@B4dTim32 жыл бұрын
Yeah i'm a nail blaster
@brave_sir_robin.2 жыл бұрын
Someone who kills the nailmaster with a spell, isn't just a jerk, they're a monster
@Rogerin_mematae Жыл бұрын
If you kill him you already a monster
@bodyinspector2775 Жыл бұрын
@@Rogerin_mematae nah, you are honoring his last wish as a nail master by giving him an epic death
@Porque_.existo_. Жыл бұрын
I dont kill him cuz i dont wanted him to die after all his jorney
@danielissac6037 Жыл бұрын
@@bodyinspector2775 but the quest with sheo
@-m00d- Жыл бұрын
There’s an option to spare him. Best option tbh.
@velstorios94732 жыл бұрын
Purposely killing the blacksmith with a spell instead of a nail hit is indeed a huge sign of a troll
@cking4869 Жыл бұрын
If you try to hit the nailsmith with anything other than a nail, it'd be great if he just turns into an unkillable boss, maybe just running back and forth getting faster and faster
@pizzademon16142 жыл бұрын
there needs to be one more category: the one who forgets about basically all of the spells and nail arts lol
@chivolinlol2 жыл бұрын
thats me, I just nail everybody
@AquaMudaMuda2 жыл бұрын
Oh look its me
@brunopagnoncelli9752 жыл бұрын
Every 5 seconds i just happen to remember "Oh shit that's right i have soul"
@littleblue9972 жыл бұрын
I dont think I've ever used a nail art xD
@creatorj12 жыл бұрын
I always forget about spells... though I often need heals more since I'm bad
@weszola2 жыл бұрын
I like how the coward weakling still has beaten the eternal ordeal to get the special background but is still afraid of a random npc that looks like you. (He doesn't know it's nosk yet)
@brunopagnoncelli9752 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@dumbdannia63262 жыл бұрын
lmfao
@noxturne162 жыл бұрын
bro went through hollow nest and this is what breaks the straw on the camels back?
@miles6601 Жыл бұрын
the best part of my encounter with nosk was that I was using a grubby skin so there was just a random grub doing a little dance I literally could not be scared of it
@spiritofchaos58 Жыл бұрын
Also consider: The Social Butterfly, who apparently thinks Hollow Knight is a friendship simulator. Everytime I found a new area, I'd run back to Dirthmouth to talk to Elderbug. I dream nailed EVERYONE. I immediately started looking up "how to save Myla and Tiso" after their deaths.
@mariomayhem2586Ай бұрын
myla requires a sequence break, and tiso is just dont kill monomon
@dinoloveremu20 күн бұрын
No, you're thinking of Quirrel. You can kill monomon without Quirrel dying, but once you talk to him at the blue lake and leave he'll die. As far as I know. Then Tiso, I think you have to avoid colo 2, or you can do colo 2 but you have to do it before he gets there?
@Virtexile Жыл бұрын
You forgot one, the guy who looks stuff up.
@theunadulteratedpretzel2 жыл бұрын
if you bully millibelle, you're just a good person
@brunopagnoncelli9752 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@haxa77902 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@dumbdannia63262 жыл бұрын
True
@pedroivog.s.68702 жыл бұрын
Milibelle, THE THIEF
@lokoli6756 Жыл бұрын
F A C T S THAT MOTHERFUXKER STOLE MY GEO AND SHE WILL PAY FOR THAT
@hoob83282 жыл бұрын
Me seeing Nosk for the first time: friend! Reaching his arena: LEMME OUT HE’S NOT MY FRIEND
@brunopagnoncelli9752 жыл бұрын
Worst boss lmao
@OnlyTheMostHoodOfGabes2 жыл бұрын
Nah dude, seeing the tiny Knight just gave me a very eerie feeling. Didn't know it was Nosk until now, though.
@khalidmuhammadali822 Жыл бұрын
@@OnlyTheMostHoodOfGabes man Im regretting why I read this comment and e searched about it. I was in deep nest and saw this and I got a bit scared then I left deep nest because I hated that place and leaving that place was so hard for me because I fell down to deep nest near Moss Prophet. I seriously wanted to discover this by myself and it got spoiled😔.
@reystlin7789 Жыл бұрын
@@khalidmuhammadali822 you should never watch any content on a game you currently playing, man. Just be careful next time, please. HK is beautiful when you know nothing about it. Also don’t worry, there are a lot more secrets ahead of you, just keep exploring
@Walta_Woit Жыл бұрын
I cheesed nosk because...
@-m00d- Жыл бұрын
And then there’s me. The multi-tasker. Doing WAY too many things at the same time.
@deviljoe1750 Жыл бұрын
I’m always a fan of the Pale King combat method i.e. throw my children at a problem until it is no longer a problem. Also, I like magic
@jc-hs1sy2 жыл бұрын
If being blind and not noticing I was at one mask makes me a "fearless wanderer" then yes.
@Kayta-Linda Жыл бұрын
...how. You’re literally dripping with Void at that point.
@rupeehyrulian5259 Жыл бұрын
@@Kayta-Linda i have lost multiple steel soul runs to not paying attention ..
@moasrira1023 Жыл бұрын
How much of blind
@TonyTheTaco08302 жыл бұрын
*Sees Nail Blaster* “Lmao literally me” *Heavy Hitter is equipped* Hahahahahahah no
@AndreyXam2 жыл бұрын
Fr that's me 2
@camb06 Жыл бұрын
There was a period where I experimented with the heavy hitter/no-knockback combo. That was kind of fun. But no. Reach and damage, that’s all I play with.
@moasrira1023 Жыл бұрын
It staggers bosses 1 faster
@TonyTheTaco0830 Жыл бұрын
@@moasrira1023 🤓
@spencerpendley9583 Жыл бұрын
Same, except I only became a nail blaster when I reached godhome
@IzzatGoo Жыл бұрын
The fearless wanderer didn’t even open up his map either…
@itsmecrimson Жыл бұрын
Fearless wanderer here babyyy any "This is fine" moment I love
@BiggieCrescent2 жыл бұрын
You can also call Fearless Wanderers "People that have no ideas where they're going."
@kiyuiwashere Жыл бұрын
Hahaha, sounds like me, i lit spent an entire 4 hrs just wondering around the map finding how to progress, I've defeated my 1st hornet battle
@eggxecution7 ай бұрын
lol me 😂
@F-o-x-2 жыл бұрын
Me who doesn't fit into any of those categories: Oh... *Sits in the corner and waits for silksong*
@sirweasel66042 жыл бұрын
In that case you are the silksong waiter, it's a sub-category
@F-o-x-2 жыл бұрын
@@sirweasel6604 eh, I'm actually just the person who gets bored after a while trying to beat a boss rush(Pantheon), boss, or puzzle and keeps dieing but after a while of closing and exiting the game I get somewhere new.
@sirweasel66042 жыл бұрын
@@F-o-x- Oh, kinda specific but I know what you mean
@F-o-x-2 жыл бұрын
@Doktor *immediately comes to life* IS SILKSONG OUT YET?
@uncroppedsoop Жыл бұрын
I do chip damage between spells. I let minions do the work and slowly give me soul, getting in any safe nail hits with some help from sharp shadow, and then blast the fuck out of anything in my way once it's all up
@CelestialSodapop2 жыл бұрын
I don’t like being called out in the last one but also appreciate that I get the doom music
@deon5729 Жыл бұрын
At one point we were all fearless wanderers before finding s bench or getting soul
@leif46982 жыл бұрын
You forgot the people who will find a ledge they can't jump to and proceed to go on every social media ever to ask how you get there
@DJ-skittles Жыл бұрын
Lmao I just pogo off enemies
@lankinmoon Жыл бұрын
I am this person. Thanks to all the people who asked before me, I owe them my life.
@Yuito-bs2 жыл бұрын
Im totally not a nailblaster. I do it cus i always forget to use spells somehow
@pizzademon16142 жыл бұрын
same lol
@duckified.2 жыл бұрын
every 20 seconds i remember "OH shit i have soul 😨"
@mekola92262 жыл бұрын
@@duckified. lol same
@tacticalthepotato60702 жыл бұрын
me too
@deviousvillain06212 жыл бұрын
I thought it said Nan blasters lol
@TryingSoft2 ай бұрын
That heavy blow jumpscare at the end was a crime
@holymosey25562 ай бұрын
I don't really play these games but allowing all these types of play styles tickles my pickle
@SourCoffeeExpert2 жыл бұрын
I am a minion master and nail blaster. BUT THE MINIONS ARE MY CHILDREN!!
@MMVessel2 жыл бұрын
Same
@Crazy-dragon2 жыл бұрын
Same here
@lokoli6756 Жыл бұрын
And you send them to fight for your life
@SourCoffeeExpert Жыл бұрын
@@lokoli6756 I didn’t send them to fight for my life they just attack on sight. It’s very hard to socialize them.
@Heavenly_Spirit1 Жыл бұрын
@@SourCoffeeExpert Ight but can I pet them tho?
@llawliet15222 жыл бұрын
i love the nailblasters => spellcasters pipeline
@thebattlebee2 жыл бұрын
what about minion masters?
@betergriffin2087 Жыл бұрын
Somewhere in between Nail Blaster, Speedrunner, and Fearless wanderer is my playstyle except I die a lot
@L4L1_64 Жыл бұрын
Spell casters part: My eyes will never recover from this
@cameow_cats51332 жыл бұрын
I'm the weakling who heals anytime I get damaged
@viniciusc.87352 жыл бұрын
Thats 100% me, i barelly use spells because if i take damage i NEED to heal ASAP
@altair68752 жыл бұрын
Quick Focus/Shape of Unn users
@rupeehyrulian5259 Жыл бұрын
are you really a weakling for that i wouldnt think so
@professionallysilly Жыл бұрын
Literally me when I have five masks but no soul
@aspenisthebest Жыл бұрын
@@rupeehyrulian5259 just being careful and the opposite of reckless
@Nerfminer22 жыл бұрын
I’m the fearless wanderer, I was in soul sanctum for forever, it took me so long it beat soul master
@thatguy87772 жыл бұрын
Bro, I'm still stuck on soul tyrant, any pointers?
@brunopagnoncelli9752 жыл бұрын
Soul tyrant: WELL HELLO THERE
@brunopagnoncelli9752 жыл бұрын
@@thatguy8777 i have done it on radiant so i can give some tips, -at the start rush a bit a try to land at least one hit after every attack he does -after like: five attacks I think?, he will teleport to some of the corners, try to see what attack he'll do and prepare to either pogo on him if he does the charge or dodge the "soul dance" he does ( i hate that attack), you could also try to sneak in that attack to land some hits. -every time he does a "corner" attack try to land a shade soul/vengeful spirit before he teleports. -after those five attacks try to be a lot more evasive, your position doesn't affect where he will teleport so don't dash for nothing, and be very attentive to his animations. -if you still can't try to get some upgrades.
@brunopagnoncelli9752 жыл бұрын
@@thatguy8777 hope it helps
@thatguy87772 жыл бұрын
@@brunopagnoncelli975 thank you, boutta try kick his ass with these pointers, will keep you posted.
@TheFrozenGeode12 күн бұрын
fireballing nailsmith is worse than murder
@kitastroophe7 ай бұрын
Then there's me, the beginner who died to Hornet 20+ times.
@Soul_Demon7 ай бұрын
We've all been there... Need help on any bosses?
@backspace77442 жыл бұрын
Me a nailblaster: *Rip and tear until it is done.*
@Bpuppy13052 жыл бұрын
Just recently started my first ever play through of this game and I’m definitely a fearless wanderer. I do tend to get lost a lot tho so compass and maps are a blessing
@brunopagnoncelli9752 жыл бұрын
Oh a new player??, even to nowadays there are still newbies, bro enjoy your first playthrought, it's an once in a lifetime experience.
@Someone_adachi2 жыл бұрын
Wayward compass solos
@omgman5745 Жыл бұрын
Average anime PFP:
@moasrira1023 Жыл бұрын
I dont need a compass because I am very good at figuring location by looking at my map
@professionallysilly Жыл бұрын
@Bpuppy1305 same honestly, it's my first playthrough and sometimes I get so pissed off that I can't find a bench that I just stop caring about health. Then I realize I'm at one mask and have a heart attack
@stabby4858 Жыл бұрын
I refuse to believe that anyone has ever seriously equipped heavy blow
@Leumar1990 Жыл бұрын
Nail Blaster here. Fight like a true man.
@Phantasmans2 жыл бұрын
bruh heavy blow- no nailmaster's + steady body- yes
@scootyboi42572 жыл бұрын
agree heavy blow literally puts your enemy farther from you why do that when you could beat the hell outa them
@ascaredmilipede79712 жыл бұрын
@@scootyboi4257 its pretty useful in cheesing the hornet 2 fight if youre not trying beat it as fast as possible
@azarious6442 жыл бұрын
If I had to be one of these I'd be a fearless wanderer Not because I'm good, it's because I have no idea where the fuck I'm going
@rosealicia1782 Жыл бұрын
Mood.
@bluescreen29127 ай бұрын
As a nail-blaster, I see this as an absolute win
@jasoncrawford54174 ай бұрын
The song with the spellcaster just makes me smile every time 😊
@shinybearevidra2 жыл бұрын
I'm a coward wanderer: scared sh*tless by everything, but curious enough to go forward every time.
@cartercollier26072 жыл бұрын
When I saw nail blasters and heard the doom ost kick in, I knew they'd overcharm, and I could only imagine bullying hornet to "The only thing they fear is you."
@Smile-y6p4 ай бұрын
Casually murders an entire village worth of bugs
@Woopor3 ай бұрын
-has the eternal ordeal Home Screen -is scared of nosk
@DeesDNP2 жыл бұрын
Then you have the completionist, the person who did most of these things at one point and managed to pursue through the world of Hallownest
@moasrira1023 Жыл бұрын
I have only one thing to do in this game and its godshome
@thefallenchaoskeeper2 жыл бұрын
Ya forgot one: The loremaster
@CodyPoll2 жыл бұрын
Mossbag, is that you?
@GMPranav5 ай бұрын
Wandering Nail blasters is a cool band name
@warblackjack55652 ай бұрын
As someone who just started playing Hollow Knight, this opens my eyes to the variety of play styles…
@ButterKnightYT2 жыл бұрын
imagine being a nail flayer couldnt be me
@viniciusc.87352 жыл бұрын
Im tottally a wanderer and nailblaster, with hints of jerk. I usually forget that i have spells
@user-le2wv8pi9t3 ай бұрын
And then you have me, the bad player that dies even when being at full masks againts a vengefly of forgotten crossroads
@invaderzim94977 ай бұрын
First time I saw that guy I noped iut of there and found the nearest bench 😂
@professorgreenbeans82752 жыл бұрын
In the past, me and my friends were just fucking around with mods, and we modded the game to become what we all wanted to be but we’re limited. I became both a Minion Master and a Nail Blaster, Friend A became a tank whose only job was to shield us, and Friend B became a soul and spell casting machine. We then beat Pantheon of Hallownest
@buh37462 жыл бұрын
then me who did 112% steel soul but dies to fucking sly in pantheon
@bialex80832 жыл бұрын
Wait, dying in one of the Pantheons ends your Steel Soul run?
@buh37462 жыл бұрын
@@bialex8083 no (i meant in not steel soul runs but also steel soul runs sometimes probably)
@adih-is4ud2 ай бұрын
@@bialex8083 No since those are dreams
@Rosareo.larocca6 ай бұрын
I am the healer: Cuz its more comfortable regenerate two mask at time
@cameronviney83435 ай бұрын
Minion masters: Get back to work, you heard me😂
@DataLabsYes2 жыл бұрын
yes. But who on earth uses Heavy Blow
@gugusgugus67172 жыл бұрын
only (and this is funny because it's meta) the clawless HK players for ONE skip (it isn't a speedrun category)
@ninjakirby7772 жыл бұрын
Good taste in having deltarune
@thebattlebee2 жыл бұрын
amm, can u explain? what deltarune?
@user-qs2fz7xb3q2 жыл бұрын
@@thebattlebee delta-run deez nuts lmao gotem
@thebattlebee2 жыл бұрын
@@user-qs2fz7xb3q 💀
@nicknesses2 жыл бұрын
@@thebattlebee you have deltarune in Steam
@drafd001 Жыл бұрын
YOU DID NOT RUIN THAT PERFECTLY FINE NAIL BUILD WITH HEAVY BLOW
@GHOSTFOXVIP257 ай бұрын
I'm the fearless wanderer, the nail blaster, (Sometimes) the minion master,,, the spell caster and (ALWAYS) the one who suffers for 3 months with the same boss
@EeveeMaster5472 жыл бұрын
As someone obsessed with the Nailmasters and the entire concept, can confirm I'm the last one.
@alolanmew15162 жыл бұрын
The nailsmith got me to feel they crossed a line. He wanted to be killed by the nail, although you can spare him.
@MrHumannnn Жыл бұрын
And then with the power of gay he manages to safely cross the Crystal Heart room that's 1/3 the width of Greenpath.
@alolanmew1516 Жыл бұрын
@@MrHumannnn Of course, especially if it was pride month
@finmacd7967 ай бұрын
the fact that at the end the guy equiped heavy slash, long nail and mark of pride says something. i gotta try it!
@justintime199328 күн бұрын
That last clip. Holy fucking notch and charm heaven
@snedsundertable80192 жыл бұрын
I’m the last type of player
@Pogobro2 жыл бұрын
are you launching husk hives?
@thebattlebee2 жыл бұрын
what do you mean?
@ejhstmac87832 жыл бұрын
in the modded/ hacker part you can see husk hives
@Pogobro2 жыл бұрын
@@ejhstmac8783 yeah thats what I thought haha
@ejhstmac87832 жыл бұрын
@@Pogobro omg i can't believe i got a reply from you, love your channel
@Pogobro2 жыл бұрын
@@ejhstmac8783 thanks!
@unarandom597 Жыл бұрын
“Cowards/weaklings” The Background: Am I a joke to you?
@loganharris7801 Жыл бұрын
Blacksmith: wants to be killed by the blade he perfected Knight: kills him with a spell
@DNAHCKR-191142 жыл бұрын
Nail Master!
@felke5146 Жыл бұрын
There is not enough people talking about that one guy that killed the nail smith with a spell.
@davidgavri12229 күн бұрын
And here is me, who even after completing the, still gets lost on the most simple location.
@kentuckynotsofriedchicken2754 Жыл бұрын
Nail blasters are truly the best breed of hollow knight players
@Clever1992ton Жыл бұрын
Killing Nailsmith with a spell is so so troll - it got me cackling like an imp.
@gamer-san89232 ай бұрын
And then there's me who got lost and doesn't know where to go next
@rozacyt20944 ай бұрын
I love how in the hackers/modders part its just "Karana" And then "Absolute Obliteration"
@eckoongaku4 ай бұрын
The last one use absolutely the same charms as I when I fight radiant bosses XD
@KeishBreakfast11 ай бұрын
That fearless wanderer one is to accurate
@justachip771 Жыл бұрын
Him : cowards weakling Also his library : Dark souls
@Stagz540 Жыл бұрын
Normal people: playing the game Me: trying to get as many companions as possible
@_qwerty_3545Ай бұрын
Coward weaklings was literally me my first time in deepnest. Look guys I’m a scaredy cat, what am I to do?
@user-bk8vm8du9q2 ай бұрын
First time I saw Nosk in those tunnels, something compelled me to follow him. After that, while I could have left and wandered around Deepnest at anytime, I felt that i had to stay and fight. I died so many times
@gordshorde Жыл бұрын
then there's me. the little buddy Player, i get excited about new friends.
@randomguy-es3uz7 ай бұрын
putting heavy blow in the nail blaster charm set is just insulting
@Flareblitz-afterburner6 ай бұрын
On my path to become a hollow knight god gamer, I have my plans for being a fearless wanderer.
@antopaye07yt222 жыл бұрын
The fact that the troll didnt even kill the One that upgrades your nail with the nail as he asked 😭
@meemenjoyer70652 жыл бұрын
And then there's me who have no idea where to go, falls into that one cave with dreamers and dream nail and cannot leave it for several hours while panicking because stag requires attack on a station, not an interaction
@rodgersmith659311 ай бұрын
Minion Masters rise up! Where my Warlocks at? Bring y’all’s familiars to the Mantis Village.
@MasterSeeker4446 ай бұрын
Minion Master is the most sane Terraria Experience.
@sokarchase2228 Жыл бұрын
with no hesitation a fearless wanderer
@azurerin98165 ай бұрын
Then there's me with no prior gaming experience, saw a giant fly and dipped 😅
@cuchili_Ай бұрын
I was terrified about that copy
@themememaster78443 ай бұрын
I can sum up my playstyle with one quote "Turns out, Im all of them" -Po
@mustlovebooknerd7 ай бұрын
Tag yourself. I'm a Nail Blaster! Quick Slash, Mark of Pride, Longnail, Steady Body, and Nailmaster's Glory is my jam!
@jamesthewolf049 Жыл бұрын
Spell casters: haha spell goes brrrrrrr *Runs out of soul* 😮😮😮
@Insertnamehere68411 ай бұрын
The radiance mod that turns you into the radiance: who dies first?