Tyranid Theories Deep Dive, Warhammer 40K

Tyranid Theories Deep Dive, Warhammer 40K
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[@robertoliver7368]

Tyranids make the Xenomorphs from Aliens look like Teletubbies.

[@9PUPPE]

let's not get carried away xD

[@Turd_Rocket]

"You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism... its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility... I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience or delusions of morality... I can't lie to you about your chances, but you have my sympathies."

[@RichterBelmont2235]

7:56 Stronger and better adapted hive fleet *shows a busty hive tyrant conveniently attractive by human standard* Better indeed.

[@ElectricalExistence]

i found that to be odd placement.

[@RichterBelmont2235]

@@ElectricalExistence He knows what he was doing.

[@Fr0styJade]

Yea I was like: “🙂”

[@thebigone6071]

Question: even the Tyranids need to breathe so why doesn’t the Imperium just get a giant can of Raid and spray those bugs right in the face? Raid kills on contact!

[@complex314i]

It is risky using poisons against the Tyranids. After the first use the Tyranids will have adapted and become immune. Even worse, the Tyranids could develop the ability to synthesize and use the poison themselves.

[@thebigone6071]

@@complex314i Oh no!!!!

[@tanjiro2507]

​@@complex314iyeah they even adapted to Nurgle blessings.

[@Kane.JimLahey.]

Who paid you to Shill raid?

[@morganholsomback4851]

The tau developed an effective bio weapon to destroy tyranid.

[@ghostofsparta757]

Didn't Belisarius Cawl in one of his books find water and microbes on a planet devastated by a victorious tyranid invasion recently. The harvestor theory might still hold up.

[@malcire]

Yep. Think he thought he could get it going again as a habital planet in a few hundred years.

[@KaliRose-md6fm]

Yeah, tyranids feed off the surface only, much of the deeper planet, as long as there's water of any amount, can support life despite a tyranid invasion

[@ElectricalExistence]

the beings he showed when talking about the old ones are not the old ones. those are the Slann, beings created by the old ones that still exist and are the only race left that still carry out the will of the old ones. but the Slann are few, they are the frog guys, they have skin priests who attend them and the seraphon race as their warrior cast. the Slann are very psychically powerful. the seraphon are born in mass hatchings, their traits are directly affected by the environment around them, those that are born among the stars are somewhat aetheric in nature, while those born on planets are very much solid physical beings. the Slann themselves have not had a birthing spawn from their spawning pools in millions of years i believe, there were 5 spawning events, maybe it was 7, for their cast, only a few are still living from the first spawning.

[@asaenvolk]

@@malcire what book?

[@aurelienpicardat4231]

@@asaenvolk Probably the forges of Mars but I'm not sure

[@Arthion]

For the Apex predator theory, just try to imagine what kind of evolutionary pressure would adapt an organism to evolve at such an extreme rapid pace and to simply consume everything else. Whatever world they originated from must've been worse than any known Death World to have such a horrific lifeform naturally evolve through natural selection.

[@tormunnvii3317]

This is why i favour the Intelligent Designer theory for the Tyranids. And the only other entity we know of who has the proven means to accomplish this is the Old Ones. The question for me is what would be the Old Ones motive? A clean slate to start life again? Or maybe just permanent Universal Annihilation (at least of the physical/material universe, as the Tyranids are ‘designed” to only consume physical matter) leaving only immaterial existence; that which the Old Ones are said to originate from.

[@evilspoon5280]

@@tormunnvii3317 A clean slate would wipe the warp clean, the chaos gods themselves and their legions of demons would die out, starved of the souls and psychic energy of the mortal races that they need to feed on just to exist.

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

Thing is, due to new lore presented to us by Belisarius Cawl (Tyranids being more surface level feeders, leaving behind deep deposits of minerals and caves containing still living microorganisms and other life forms), the Harvester Theory gains more credibility.

[@anathardayaldar]

QUESTION: If the chaos gods can figure out that the tyranids threaten their food supply abd therefore their existence, could they try a pre-emptive attack?

[@13shadowwolf]

They are the God of Chaos, having organized plans kinda runs counter to their very nature. They needed to corrupt the Astartes Legions to have any kind of functional organization in the Material. Chaos Undivided tries, but ultimately is attacked by the others. Chaos fights Itself, more than anything else.

[@Eddardstark9308]

The chaos gods threaten their own food supply and therefore existence who the hell are they to speculate on the material universe

[@13shadowwolf]

@@Eddardstark9308 there are entire world dedicated to Khorne, He Knows that He needs a constant supply of humans. The rest of the Chaos Gods have their own Chaos worlds dedicated to each of them, and they have "stable" populations; it's just the horror of the existence those people's lives are. The true horror of the Chaos Gods, is that if their worshippers spread far enough into the Materium, they might allow the Chaos Gods to fully manefest in the Real. Chaos could "win" 40K, because they would keep multiple billions of Hell-Worlds to keep the human population stable. Exterminautus becomes "good" by comparison.

[@wenhanzhang-uj9mc]

在影际星和混沌打过，混沌被打败了。

[@djsauce625]

For the first theory, Tyranids have actually left traces of life on worlds. I think it was in an eisenhorn novel where he scans subteranian caverns and discovers traces of Native microorganisms which the tyranids left behind, even though the surface was entirely devoid of life.

[@PalletEater214]

Maybe the just come to galaxies to consume life but leave just enough behind so that they can come feed again

[@mkvenner2]

Belisarius Cawl book

[@declanoconnor3445]

Also krakens on frenris

[@billyclark4564]

Everyone is missing a serious point of lore. The Silent King returns to our galaxy. Yes we can all see "it's said" he ran across them. I don't see him returning for the current sized threat. I believe the current White Dwarf gives the reason. A new vast Tyranid moon sized ship. I can see him finding a fleet of billion's of these ship. My view is that such ships holds a hive mind on board. Let it sink in for a moment. We are being told a new ship has arrived,and we don't know it's purpose. If however it is a hive mind ship. The Silent King running across vast numbers make returning a solid reason. The Silent King could have continued to a new galaxy. Then populated it from his dynasty. No he probably flew through a couple of galaxies getting devoured. Decided to turn around to save his people. Turning to "locking them up" it will not work. Why the beacon built by Tiamat. Now as far as beating them. 1) Eldar an Tau become rapid strike forces using the webway portal's 2) use imperial navy to push fleets to Ork world's. 3) rebuild space Marines to pre-crusade size all primaries 4) crush the idea of invention is heresy idea. 5)create better arms,armor for astra militarum. Time is a must in this war. Every inch of space has to be fought for in every engagement. That means going to the Necrons,and asking for their star killer to be used. Only on stars lost to a hive fleet. If it gets desperate enough.

[@Vineor]

@@billyclark4564 TL;DR Bro

[@bob_jim6584]

The old ones revered life and them creating the tyranids reminds me of the Encyclopod from Futurama. Since the Tyranids keep all the DNA they consume they are actually preserving all the life forms the Old Ones created and more. They can reverse engineer the DNA and instead of having to communicate with all of them at once they would have it will it severs their link with the hive mind.

[@cdickenson82]

If the Tyranids were made by the old ones maybe they are the trigger for turning the orcs into krork. So the orcs need constant battle in order to evolve into krorks and something like the nids would be somewhat ideal.

[@snakeoo7ca]

You may be onto something

[@Tunderpimp]

I always thought the old ones left the galaxy and sent the Tyrannids as a reset button.

[@khartog01]

I think that is why they are so relentless . They are still hungry from the trip to the milkway .

[@13shadowwolf]

The Necrons would absolutely dominate the Tyranids in a straight conflict. They could literally just virus bomb all life on multiple planets and retreat, the Tyranids would have to leave, hibernate, or starve. The only way for the Tyranids to beat the Necrons, is Plot Armor from the authors. They'd literally have to just allow the Tyranids to start consuming the Living Metal of the Necrons in more efficient mthods. It would make more sense if it had been the Necron Star Gods that created the original Tyranid as a way to clear other planets of life. Probably as a counter to the Orks and Eldar. If the Tyranids were bio-weapons that are still running "CONSUMEALL.EXE" their actions would make a lot more sense. They ignore worlds with tons of resources, if there's no "Life" on the world. The Tyranids would be better off feeding in unpopulated asteroid belts, and worlds with unsable environments. There's plenty of resources, but no defenders. The Tyranids focus on "Life" even though there are easier resources elsewhere, this doesn't make sense...unless something is focused on "Life Eradication" and not just "Evolve" Evolution would push the Tyranids to places with easier resources to take, preadators mostly stop hunting if they get easier food elsehwere. The Tyranids are acting like a Targeted Bio-Weapon that has had billions of years to Adapt and Overcome.

[@Shatterverse]

They were canonically, IIRC, attracted by the Pharos Beacon. They might be attracted NOW to the Astronomicon though. Anyway their failure to adapt to eat warp entities could be because they intend to harvest regular, easy to reach life until they find something that makes the warp hunt attempt easier or possible at all. After all, they haven't adapted to possess or create _souls._

[@KorporateKotoo]

It's extremely unlikely that a chaos God could corrupt the hive mind as a whole, but could they corrupt smaller groups cut off from the hive? For example, could a genestealer broodmind be corrupted if they got ahold of its patriarch?

[@zergrush_9704]

Yes, I heard something like it, about corrupted genestealers and even separated from hive mind fleets.

[@Stonehorn]

I want a nurgle hive fleet

[@snakeoo7ca]

​@@Stonehorn You want death!

[@varunrayy]

⁠@@Stonehornif ur interested in a book with nurgle infected tyranids, read “ragnars claw” by william king, great book

[@beskararmor7966]

It's probably due to GW plot armor, but you think the Imperium would use the life eater virus weapons to counter the Tyranids when a planet is lost. Have they? I know the virus is synthetic and was created during the dark age of technology, but from all the books, it seems it's not that rare they even use these on small scale too. It's not like they would be worried the Tyranids could develop a counter just due to the fact it attacks life at it's most fundamental micro level. The Tyranids would have to evolve into machines to counter it.

[@bluemilk4meify]

Ya just waste their time with mechs till they send out alot more tyrinids, then just nuke it from orbit. Only way to be sure

[@Sephlock]

Couldn’t they just evolve carapaces laced with inorganic materials so the virus would just splat on the metal or whatever?

[@snakehead214]

Iirc the imperium is too afarid that the nids would adapt around it or even end up knowing how to create it themself.

[@beskararmor7966]

@Sephlock The only way I see that working is if they figure out how to turn a rock into a mobile weapon. Even if they could get this to work for a larger bio form, they are still screwed just due to the fact that the majority of the swarms bio forms are on the micro level. The spores that are injected into the planets biome are one of their main weapons, for example.

[@bluemilk4meify]

@snakehead214 they can't adapt if that tendril are all dead. Does the info go to the hivemind instantly like that? I know hivemind can look thru its nids but For some reason I figured there would be some kind of delay on adapting. I'm probably way wrong

[@snakehead214]

But why would the Nids ever want to have living Orks in their ships? Its not like the orks can create themselfs out of nothing, they need Carbon in the air and other stuff to grow dont they? If thats the case, just having tanks full of "lifeless" biomass inside the nid ships would be way easier.

[@Arthion]

Would depend on harvesting and supplying the resources neccesary to spawn orks would be a net gain in biomass or not kind of like a farmer growing crops and cattle. Given that the orks grow like an invasive weed and essentially feed themselves via growing squigs and fungus, it might be possible.

[@snakehead214]

@@Arthion Well in their ships they would have to supply everything. Thats my point, there is a fixed number of Atoms on the ship. Why create something out of it that has the potential to damage everything and go rogue?

[@Arthion]

I mean the trick would be to harvest/cull them regularly to keep them under control. Not like they're hard to maintain since they thrive even in the worst environments.@@snakehead214

[@a.greywolfe4056]

Unless the Tyranids were created by old ones who escaped

[@ikenosis8160]

I've always liked to believe that the Nyds are the final genetic creation of the Emperor of Mankind. He has always been a master genetic engineer and while the Astartes represent some of his excellent work, it is to be remembered that they are 10,000 years old and represent a time before the current needs of the Imperium. The Imperium now needs a broadsword the size of the galaxy to contend with its current extraordinary enemies. The Nyds are attracted to the Astronomicon because that's the beacon the Emperor set up to call them. They were told to consume all forms of life to completely consume all Xenos enemies and yes, even The Astartes and all human worlds, they are, after all, genetic accumulation devices. Once they arrive at Holy Mother Terra, the Emperor can reconstruct whatever he wants from the DNA roster they have produced.

[@LazzarrusLong]

Oooooo I like this! 😮😃🫡

[@kyleellis1825]

Wake the Emporer up early and the Hivemind breaks free from his control?

[@PalletEater214]

But what purpose would that serve for emps? And why give them such an alien appearance? Like when the emperor created the primarcs sure some were different colors but they can all more or less be recognized as humans. Same for the astarties and thunder warriors. Plus the emperors was very humanity first so using tyranids wouldn’t accomplish his goals unless it was somehow to maybe calm the warp down from the mass death of galactic life. But that probably wouldn’t because the warp isn’t just limited to the galaxy but the universe at large.

[@themalcontent100]

4:02 unless an eye of terror isn't unusual in this universe.

[@TheKypps]

What we do no for a fact is that the great devourer was drifting dormant until Gulliman activated the pharos device, then it started coming our way 10,000 years ago in the Horus Heresy, any legit theory must factor that in since it is not written from the perspective of a character but direct official exposition of information to the reader.

[@entropicflux8849]

worship is entirely a different thing from corruption. someone could be corrupted by chaos even tho they actually believe in their heart of hearts that they are loyal to the emperor, and someone can worship the ruinous powers without ever being actually important or interesting enough to attract their attention at all. khorne is empowered by killing, even if you don't understand what it is that you're doing. so a mindless tyranid killing a bunch of guardsmen to put them in a acid pool *still* feeds khorne regardless. that's not to say the hivemind might not have some sort of self-corrective to parts of itself that might become corrupted or insane or rebellious for some reason, but the fact that the individual creatures which get corrupted having no ability to worship or proselytize doesn't really offer any protection at all. apparently clippy the virtual assistant can be corrupted and possessed by daemons, so i don't think a dinosaur bug is getting off the hook.

[@woady7073]

Why would the hive fleets fight each other to assert dominance, if they are all part of the same hive mind? I guess maybe to evolve themselves, but that seems kind of pointless, when there is plenty of other things to fight, and consume.

[@mkvenner2]

It’s only been mentioned once or twice.

[@mitchelljohnson559]

Wow, I always thought that this number in the is just a small like a trickle, that they are sending from the last galofy. Just into the milky galaxy somewhere the tendrils, are moving along and building either from a separate civilization of the other galaxy or another lifeform took over the old one.

[@emmadebeer8134]

Can't tell if this guy has glimpsed a cosmic truth, or needs to change the batteries in his carbon monoxide detector

[@monaskulllll]

​@@emmadebeer8134hahahaha 😂 i know what you mean, 🤣

[@Midnightv]

REALLY loving the deep dives

[@silverback6497]

Necroms are a hard counter, as well as nurgle

[@malcire]

I mean, Nurgles forces still have biomatter (outside of demons). And the Nids strip minerals. From my understanding, necrons aren't worth fighting. Because while they may gain minerals from the planets (and even from the necrons) no biomass means they still lose out on the primary resource. Same with demons. Tyranids may get a planet worth of resources, but they can't eat the warp stuff that demons are usually made of (though some like Vashtorr specifically use mortals to form themselves; would that still be usable biomass?). But yeah, Necrons and never born are usually not worth fighting in that it’s not going to give them more biomass.

[@13shadowwolf]

How about this? Figure out what makes up Tyranid citin, then seed planets with chemicals that seem to work really well in strengthen citin; but leave a particular flaw that has an auto-reaction to particular chemical weapons. Make the citin of the Tyranids, into part of chemical bomb weapon you give your troops. Every bullet fired would cause a chain-reaction in the citin armor of the Tyranid warriors.

[@13shadowwolf]

I would argue that Nugle could infect the Tyranid bio-pools that are raw Tyranid resources while feeding. If they are consuming "bio-mass" then Nurgle sould be able to Inhabit the bio-mass itself, before it enters the hive ships. Then Nurgle starts corrupting the living hive ships from the inside. If Nugle infects the bio-mass, and then the Norn Queen is infected, what happens to the control of the Hive?

[@danielmyers-cowan3416]

They're runnin' from escaped Men of Iron that have harvested galaxies worth of resources

[@mr_clean91]

40K good ending: -Drukhari finish their golden throne copy and decide to build an astronomican copy too because reasons -DE Astronomican attracts Nids to Commorragh -Craftworld Eldar, Imperium, Necrons, team up to take out DE and Nids at the same time. -Following Hive fleets reveals entrances to Commorragh that can be sealed behind them - Hivemind realizes it’s trapped, goes berserk with warp shadow powers and causes webway breach -Slaanesh shows up, wipes out Nids and consumes Commorragh -Slaanesh immediately blips out of existence because warp time is non-linear and she needed Commorragh to exist in order to be born -Slaanesh time-paradox undoes all reality and resets timeline to 25K -Age of Strife never happens -Fall of Eldar never happens - Golden Age of Technology still going strong in 40K

[@incardianify]

The Tyranids are made by the Outsider.

[@Shatterverse]

I've seen it theorized that the tear in the warp is the _reopening_ of a wound the Necrons managed to close up with Blackstone tech after winning the War in Heaven. The wound could have originally created in a controlled fashion by the Old Ones so they could access the Warp in the first place, and it broke during the War in Heaven and tore open across the galaxy. Now the popping open of the Eye reopened the ancient wound. That would explain why the Milky Way is the only place with direct Warp access; the Old Ones made the access possible in the first place, and it was never really fixed, only patched, and now the patch is destroyed.

[@Aethelwolf]

The Tyranid threat could be the one threat that all the races and factions could unite against.

[@mesogot]

The Hivemind after finding a way to consume immaterium energy: Neat! The Chaos Gods: Why do we hear boss music!?

[@13shadowwolf]

Allowing the Tyrants to consume the energy of the Immaterium is just broken.

[@TonklinFallen]

What if the Enslavers were not just a warp entity, what if they were an earlier visit from Tyranids? Drawn to the Galaxy by the War in Heaven. If the Pharos Beacon was powerful enough to attract them, the weapons used in the War would have been like a strobe light for the Tyranids.

[@billdoor1569]

The Hive mind has never been wounded before... before Baal, Before the great rift and before Khorne focussed on it for a moment. The Nids end galaxies, Chaos ends realities.

[@GrandSupremeDaddyo]

I like the idea of them being another civilisation's Krorks: self-replicating & ever-evolving war machines that are the only remnants of an ancient war. It would be fun & poetic if their galactic consumption was thwarted by them being inescapably drawn to biomass, leading them into eternal conflict with the orcs. All the other factions would have to do is routine "maintenance" of the conflict to make sure no side gains an upper hand.

[@WarbossRyan]

I think you misunderstood the goals of the necrons. They want the younger races around to use in ditching their roboic bodies. The silent king only returned because he encountered the nids in the void. So currently he is unifying the dynasties. Also tomb worlds are on worlds occupied by other factions.

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

Yeah I think he’s just spit balling here, he didn’t even mention their super weapons or just the gauss flayer by itself, not mentioning necrons are durable and necrodermis is strong as shi, how are they going to “eat metal” legit it’s not bio mass 💀

[@WarbossRyan]

@g1g4_ch4d7 nids do take in some minerals, but that is on point. Currently, if they fight necrons or chaos, then they lose out on biomass

[@shanerooney7288]

The Great Devourer Chaos God. The shadow in the warp is the tyranid's natural presence in the warp. A chittering cacophony of animals communicating as one hive mind. HOWEVER, The genestealer cults have humans worshipping the Great Devourer. So, the same way humans are creating a Tau god, they are creating a Tyranid god. Whatever their origin story is, their character arc will likely see the Tyranids change into something else.

[@Pablo-wc1xv]

If humanity recovers the technology of the cronocanyon they could stop the tyranids for a while but not forever

[@hunterchristian8372]

Okay so I've got a HUGE question now that's really bothering me... At 3:47 you state, "The Tyranids having already been in the Milky Way galaxy also explains why they possess the 'Shadow in the Warp,' because as far as any other race is concerned, only THIS galaxy possesses The Warp." .... Bro, you have to explain yourself here. What piece of lore lead you to believe that the rest of the universe is not compatible with The Warp??? It's really driving me crazy now, I absolutely need to know why you came to believe that.

[@Sephlock]

Probably because of the nature of the warp and its association with sentient souls. It does stand to reason that creatures with souls from other galaxies would have a similar relationship with the warp though.

[@GrimmEdvan]

I’m not sure this video, were meant to be logical analysed. Since there’s several breakes in logic, but that could be the fault of Games Workshop.

[@kyleellis1825]

He's saying we haven't gotten canon stories in other galaxies, so to us and the factions in the series, we have no idea. The warp could be far weaker in other galaxies, like it was in the Milky Way before Chaos really got it's foothold. So the One Mind Syndicate assummption, is that the warp powers are weak in a galaxy unless it has a triggering event.

[@Sephlock]

@@kyleellis1825 I can see a galaxy where beings like the Tau are the norm, or at least got a foothold before the others, where the warp would still be super calm. Wow, can you imagine the chaos (heh) the shadow in the warp could cause if they only ever had to deal with a calm warp for their warp travel?

[@kyleellis1825]

@@Sephlock Exactly. Which could provide support for the whole "Tyranids already ate the other galaxies" theory. But essentially, we know the warp was weaker before a triggering event. So logicc dictates it is the same in every galaxy. At least that's OMS' logic.

[@WeAm_1]

cutting off one tentacle(one fleet) from the tyranids, which on its own is a herculean task, from the central nodes, can make possession or control theory work better, so if u starve them in the immaterial where other chaos gods take hold of them, or imprison them in a aldari pathway can help in control theory after you cut them off from their nervous system. Another thing the races need to do is study how the tyranids are controlling larger fleets, and how to disconnect each fleet from the central hive mind. as for the genetic disposition i believe they have a lot of control mechanics in them as well, control mechanics being the meta protocols that allow them to morph and change and protect their genetics from being altered except by a brood mother geneticist ship. as for insanity with every psycher who tries connecting is due to how much mutilated souls are in the tyranids or simply because no souls exist to connect to. leaving them stuck in a hunger warp that tears theirs minds apart.

[@lcmiracle]

The Tau-lovers shall be purged; the Emperah's light will not shine on their trice-cursed skins!

[@danielhouse897]

'Ive bein playin mtg'... Me: have you met Slivers yet?

[@roberttate9302]

I had read somewhere that in the dark age of technology that weapons were developed that had the ability to "push" ships into the warp. Could something like this be used to isolate the nids?

[@mkvenner2]

If the imperium stumbles across the STC the yes.

[@BloodFireDeath_]

Hey all you lore masters. What are good books/audiobooks about tyranids? Any with Chaos fighting them? Thanks.

[@scythebergon418]

Questioning point? Was there not the Zoats? The lore if I remember where they were made by the hive fleets and appeared before the hive fleets to do something like scouting the world's. However a portion of them had broken free of the hive mind or something. Again I can hardly remember where this lore comes from and I don't have verification but I thought I'd mention it as it would be a case of contact with the hive mind. Though they may as well have been a more connected genesteller

[@opbananas2331]

I think that the “shadow of the warp” is almost literal. Considering how often psykers seem to evolve, I find it hard to believe that a single other species in a different universe has gotten some warp presence. I think that how the warp was made there would be a naturally occurring counter to the warp. They destroy what allows the warp to exist and that’s why no other universe has a footprint in the warp

[@shanerooney7288]

I view the "No other galaxy has access to the warp" theory slightly differently. I view "the warp" as an extension of the Milk Way Galaxy. So saying the warp isn't in other galaxies is like saying the Milky way isn't in other galaxies. Other galaxies have their own stars, their own space empires, their own warp, and their own chaos gods. Their warp is as connected to our warp as their galaxy is connected to our galaxy. Tyranids evolved alongside their own extra dimensional warp. But it's somewhat different, like going from freshwater to saltwater. So there's still that period of adaptation that's needed.

[@kernsanders3973]

my theory there was a scout tendril that reached into the galaxy, kinda like how insects use feelers before going in to devour it's prey. So thats probably why they have "already" been here. They were part of an ancient feeler fleet probably very slender compared to the major fleets now moving in.

[@morangie7649]

The problem with Nids carrying Orks around to feed off of is that matter can't be created or destroyed, even in 40k. Even orks need a source of matter and energy, and as the nids would travel they would have to feed the orks and would only ever be able to reclaim an equal amount of biomass at best. Also, the orks need light as an energy source that they absorb through their green skin, so the nids would have to tow a Dyson sphere around with them too.

[@cordellej]

mini astronomicons on planets that are BEHIND the tyranids that they have already eaten . that will possibly split the fleets in 2 with some wanting to go back if the beacon behind them is bright enough then supernova the stars that those dead planets orbit when there is a tyranid fleet close to it

[@strykerten560]

nids taking orks on an interplanetary roadtrip doesnt really make any sense. In space you are stuck in a closed system, there are no additional resources being added to the system. That means that to grow more orks, you would need to expend the existing resources the hive fleet already has, so they dont actually gain additional biomass from the orks

[@sargonixofur1234]

Lock all the Tyranids in Commorah, and let them kill off the ridiculous ‘edge lords’ aka Dark Eldar. They would probably enjoy it.

[@chrisparker7175]

Part from the necron

[@bluemilk4meify]

If the dark king does get born. Then he was always there, can the hive mind be the big E? No? K I'm stoned

[@Balrog4242]

What if instead of trying to take over the swarm through their telepathy network you just blasted it with inane chatter and jammed it... like mebbe Tzeentch could do that any time, but likes having the Nids on the tabletop right now.

[@brianpembrook9164]

4:45 They don't just take biomass. They take all water and atmosphere. They literally leave a planet barren. You need to terraform the planet with icy comets and asteroids in order for it to support life.

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

There has been cases when they left life on the planet in forms microbes in water or extremely deep caves

[@marshallsmith501]

Good video 😊

[@Hyunckel]

somehow through remote viewing I was able to , those just confirm what I felt and seen

[@The_0G_Chad]

All you have to do is get fabulous bile, Have him clone aversion that will infect the others with cancer. Cancer is perfect for an organism that growth this fast, because cancer always grows faster than its host. Rob of its nutrition, and creates cells that never mature…. The Achilles heel of centralized creatures has always been that they are centralized….. it’s an advantage but also a giant weakness

[@Shatterverse]

Chaos would just farm humans, which they already do.

[@jamesbrownsett5558]

Weren't the elder and necrons about when the old ones were still there........

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

Yes, the necrons where their own race and evolved alone, the Old Ones had to create multiple warrior races just to have a chance and still got curb stomped

[@resplendentorder8661]

What if the Tyranids are the Old Ones that have gradually evolved into a grotesque state over many thousands of years across many strange planets. Why would that not be the case?

[@TremereTT]

tyranids like so factions enjoy plot armor

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

Necrons??

[@OpiatesAndTits]

5:05 you assume they leave behind seeds you can detect or moreover on planets they consumed or more to the point: they don’t necessarily plant before finishing this current harvest. Perhaps the assumption you even need to seed or could seed or the tyranids want to seed rather then wanting novel life to consume is another assumption. Remember there’s a process of abiogenesis it’s not fully understood but requires certain conditions because basically it’s an accident of chemistry. Furthermore Leaving bacterium or other microorganisms alive on a planet which once contained multicellular life doesn’t make sense either, they evolved together from common ancestors. Their attuned to an environment the tyranids didn’t just destroy but obliterated. The assumption these leftovers could even survive let alone evolve (especially in as little as 60 million years) into a thriving biosphere with intelligent life. Makes no sense. If the nids harvest they have probably only done it once before tops or this is their first time.

[@similaritiesendhere]

Tyranids "farming" orks makes no sense. Orks need biomass too. They're just biomass in a sentient form.

[@SuperMrHiggins]

The orks will save the Milky Way.

[@SuperMrHiggins]

As a genestealer cult fan I dig the harvester theory.

[@evilspoon5280]

The doom of Malan'tai was adapted to consume psychic energy. Just replicate that and adjust it to be able to eat warp spawned entities, problem solved.

[@disky1784]

I think that the orcs would turn into krorks and make them a much tougher threat

[@user-re9mz2bt1e]

Sounds like the old ones made them to reset the worlds.

[@AeonDaemon]

7:55 SUS

[@gbishop1774]

Honestly if the necrons united against the tyranids, would the bugs even bother? The tombworlds offer so little biomass that any battle with the necrons, even if it resulted in a complete victory, would guarentee a net loss in biomass for the tyranids. The necrons are all mechanical and their weapons atomize their targets, also completely destroying biomass. So the tyranids would consume everything else and might just leave to go to the next galaxy because fighting the necrons would just be completely pointless, unless the hivemind develops some personal vendeta against the necrons

[@trueblaze84]

My own theoryis that the Nids aren't linked to the Old Ones but rather the Caton. There was one Caton that was cast out of the Milky Way for drvowering other Caton so maybe it discovered a race with powerful adaptive capabilities, up lifted it like the Necrons and merged with it to become the great devowerer. It could be a symbiotic relationship where the nids get devower flesh while the Caton devowers the souls of those devowered. I also thought it would be interesting if this theory is true that the reason they are headed for Sol isn't because they are after the astronaumicon on Earth, but rather they are after the dragon on Mars since it has been confirmed to be a Caton as well. Whether they want to free it or devower it both could be interesting.

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

The C’tan??

[@DaIceCreamz]

7:59 oh ma gaaawd

[@Chris-wn3vr]

What if the dark king is sending these beasts to shield humanity from his ascension to godhood?

[@mkvenner2]

No

[@mudpie6927]

My theory is that the tyranids are space locusts. They eat everything mate and then die the eggs they lay along the way hatch and the process happens again

[@christmasham4312]

I wonder if GM even knows where they came from 😅

[@HgHg-yp6ft]

Anyone knows what the Tyranids supposedly use as fuel to move through space? Such enormous mass has to use unimaginable amounts of energy to move hundreds of light years between the star systems within the galaxy.

[@stoneshield6653]

What if I told you that I believe more that the Tyranids are the Emperor's toys, he created them and he calls them to him.

[@AB-ln2py]

REally ? Absorb pariah gene so the hivemind can no longer control his minions ? Really ?

[@aka-47k]

or just release replicators from star gate, there is more non bio mass than biomass.

[@ianmatthewkline8279]

The Great Harvester Theory is pretty dope and makes sense but don’t all conspiracy theories?

[@jdog3289]

Where is it said that the warp only exists within the Milky Way?

[@bobh9492]

It probably exists everywhere but deep space lacks emotional beings … we would need the point of view of other galaxies and their species to see if the warp would be like ours is … before the eldar the warp was quite calm.

[@im_a_simulation433]

Wrong the Necrons already knew about the tyranides has they call them the great devour

[@TonklinFallen]

Why would the Old Ones create the Tyranids when the Necrons were their main enemies?

[@bobh9492]

Turning the biomass of countless worlds into shake and bake troops is a way to annihilate necrons… if that’s what they were Made for.

[@oxyuran5998]

There's a major flaw in some of your arguments. More people doesn't equal more biomass, as the majority of biomass is generally stored in microorganisms. In other words, a verdant world with a ton of biome types is likely the juiciest target and humans only kept a few world that clean and nice... The orks as a snack doesn't work. Ork fungi convert existing biomass into orks, which would mean that the nids would have to spend biomass to breed orks, which doesn't do anything for the nids. Only in the harvester scenario it may make sense to distribute ork spores on harvested planets in hopes of reseeding the planet, given that the spores can break down the rock to form some form of fungus. Lastly, apart from incarceration, the necrons are the counter to the nids. No biomass in the necrons, no DNA to be harvested to evolve and the most devastating weapons in terms of biomass loss. Necrodermis is to the nids what an iron supplement is to us, something potentially usefull, but not food. And to eat a necron would likely mean an exorbitant amount of biomass loss for that supplement pill, given what necron weaponry can do to matter...

[@fairyqueentitania5080]

I disagree with the Ork stalemate theory. Orks regenerating is reliant on their spores being left behind by their rotting bodies. Since tyranids don’t leave bodies, and furthermore consume everything biological on a given planet, it seems like they could handily eliminate any Ork presence on a world simply by doing what they do best.

[@fairyqueentitania5080]

That said, cultivating Orks would be a much better idea in the long run anyway, so that theory is actually sound imo

[@scythebergon418]

Orks vrs nids is a battle that has been plqced against each other in books i beilive the orks are loosing ground but not the overall wat since the death if the Warboss their maybe Gazghul will teliporta in and break the atalemate

[@BanditUshanka]

Just shows a lot of the community doesnt keep up on lore or never real the devestation of baal

[@Xogroroth666]

The Tyranid, a THREAT??? NOOOOO!!! It is Divine Absolution for the whole that is ManUnkind!!! Tssssk.

[@Xogroroth666]

Shadow of the Warp is something they recently developed. 1) The Warp/Immaterium is a fairly recent something, and while many know how this came into this reality. 2) It is unknown if this is the only Galaxy that has the Warp manifested: "Uu-Maans" simply are too stupid to figure out whether it is or is not so. 3) That they have been around, yes, Kraken and other similar beings (like you said) are thought to be Tyranid, but this has NEVER been confirmed.

[@Xogroroth666]

The Tyranid do have "cannibalism", as a "natural form of evolution": The strongest forms survive, and are build further upon, while the weaker become bio-soup again, to be reused in new forms. It's a living, fighting bio-evolution-laboratorium.

[@Xogroroth666]

Tyranid need no tools or technology, they ARE technology. BIO-Technology. One that is continuously upgraded.

[@Xogroroth666]

Indeed, as I said: The weaker become bio-soup, and reused in new forms. The stronger live, up to the point, that they do not anymore, and thus become, indeed so, bio-soup.

[@Xogroroth666]

The FoF-Theory is flawed. The Tyranid is the "Apex Predator". I mean, and I now speak "for the sake of the WH40K Universe": An even bigger, or other equally big power set lose in the universe, yeah, brilliant. Let's toss it all in the garbage bin, shall we?

[@avollant]

Is it just me or there's already a Necron faction that has identify the Tyranids as an existential threat?

[@mkvenner2]

Yes the silent king is trying to reunite the Necron dynasties to combat the tyranids.

[@Gleipnir31]

My personal theory is that the Necrons will try to save the galaxy. Like a final insult to the old ones. They will be superior to them in every way, even as the savior of the galaxy.

[@KJ-pu8dw]

Would tyrannids ignore necrons? Necrons are not biological?

[@g1g4_ch4d7]

Which is why it makes no sense, man’s is just spit balling

[@MrWennerstrom]

"deprived", not "depraved"

[@NeroSurvives]

Have a problem being absorbed because you’re… “ checks notes “ Bio mass? Well don’t you worry! I have the solution for you, ditch that meat suit and just go non biological. ( note: leave options open for the customers. )

[@Kaiserland111]

I disagree with your reasoning and actually think Chaos stands a good chance against the Tyranids. Using warp entities that don't provide any biomass but that can still kill Tyranids allows Chaos to defeat the Tyranids on individual planets, starving them of those resources. And you said that Chaos would lose power becasuse human worlds are being wiped out, but while the Tyranids are advancing on humanity there is actually an increase in terror because of the impending threat, so short-term Chaos increases in power, not decreases.

[@McLovinTRoyce]

I’m convinced that a galaxy of just Orks and Tyranids would eventually see the rise of an unstoppable Orknid hybrid.

[@chrisborman2506]

I've long thought about whether genestealers could somehow infiltrate ork society, or if they are just too different in terms of reproduction.

[@malcire]

There are canonical ork genestealler hybrids. Despite them being rare usually (orks tend to kill unorky orks).

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

Orc genecultists?

[@bigboybeni3798]

Nuh uh

[@varun009]

Guys this is the worst 40k channel. Check out luetin09 and even the exploring series for a more macro look. Imperial iterator is great too.