Automatic vs Manual Transmission - Can You Beat a DCT Gearbox in a Manual?

Can You Beat a DCT Gearbox in a Manual? Which is faster in the real world? While the debate between stick and auto is as old as the internet, very few places have properly tested which transmission is best with a modern DCT dual clutch automatic gearbox and launch control, and if the DCT is really faster from zero to sixty (0-60) as manufacturer claims.
In this video I test 0-62 mph (0-100 kph) and 0-100 mph (0-160 kph) using extremely accurate testing conditions using two near identical BMW M2 Competition cars.
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[@tyrereviews]

Enjoy something other than tyres? If so, do you have any suggestions for other automotive vehicle tests I can do in the future? I've already got RWD vs 4WD planned in some rather special vehicles, any other ideas would be gratefully received. You can follow me on insta at instagram.com/Jonathan__Benson

[@Frank360CS]

Difference around a circuit between a RWD and FWD car with and without Limited Slip Differential would be cool! Maybe also comparing it with 2 different kind of skill level drivers.

[@Mso94]

it would be nice to see this test with some regular cars, not only high performance ones. Like a vw golf 7 1.4 tsi 150 manual vs dsg.

[@gerardjoaquino8856]

How about differences between various alignment settings? Would be nice to see more regular (but sporty-ish) cars for a change. There's quite a saturation of high performance car content and it can be quite passe tbh...

[@yusufhasan5425]

Test brake pads

[@tyrereviews]

To do properly it would need to be the same car or at least very close in stats, and I'm not sure such vehicle exists

[@robertjusic9097]

THIS DUDE PUT 3 KG IN THE FOOTWELL TO MAKE BOTH CARS THE SAME. THIS IS THE TYPE OF GUY THAT SHOULD BE RUNNING KZbin CAR REVIEWS

[@tyrereviews]

Haha thank you!

[@jonesbbq307]

yeah cuz otherwise it's really pointless comparing car to car.

[@marcustaylor670]

I do things like add an extra 1 psi to the left wheels to allow for roundabouts and keep tyre wear even. On my van the engine sits over the right hand side so that side front is slightly more inflated. I adjust the rears all the time to account for loads and run higher pressures on long runs where there is little cornering. I can nudge 70mpg fully loaded and beat the official 0 - 60 time by 4 seconds with it half loaded. It's all about having the exact correct rpm at launch at knowing the optimum revs to change gear which isn't the redline. I would have added the 3KG in that test too, it's only right as the comparison was about the box not the car. I would have put the weight in the boot in a futile attempt to aid traction though. There's another test, how much weight in the boot is enough to aid performance in a RWD car and how much will hinder it both acceleration and handling wise. Back in the day when people were driving Capri's and Opel Manta's I'd hear talk of throwing bags of cement in the boot. I've thought about it in my E46 330CD as the traction control is an absolute waste of time.

[@raulbila46]

like those 3 kg made difference... still a pointless decision

[@SupraSav]

lol because 3 KGs matters. You need approx 20 lbs of sprung weight and 1/lb of unsprung weight to notice a difference.

[@Galatzo]

"Because i'm me i took the seats out and weighted them" Those are the details we're subscribed for :)

[@tyrereviews]

[@ARCNA442]

I would have really liked to see a DCT vs Manual around a track - everyone has compared 0-60 times, but I have never seen a good comparison during actual driving.

[@memememine1]

For laptime I know of two direct comparisons. Motor trend and Randy Pobst took a Camaro ZL1 6MT and 10AT around big willow. The difference was 0.32 seconds in favor of the manual. Later they tested a PDK and Manual 991.2 GT3 the PDK was 0.2 seconds faster. Overall there is a small difference from a pro but personally I find the Automatic car allows me more brain power to concentrate on the chassis. However whichever you are more comfortable with will probably be faster for you.

[@ARCNA442]

@@memememine1 That's what I'm talking about - I've seen numbers here and there that manuals may be a lot closer to automatics over an actual course than they are in a straight 0-60 launch, but as far as I can tell there have been no detailed tests exploring that.

[@memememine1]

@@ARCNA442 I think the reason is because it's driver dependent. Driving on a track is so dependent on driver confidence that the performance advantage the automatic might give you might be negated if the driver is uncomfortable with the way it shifts. Personally I find it incredibly unsettling in a manual on track when I am smoothly squeezing the accelrator out of a corner, smoothly unwinding the steering and I realize I'm going to run out of revs. I hate the feeling of having to upshift with significant cornering load. However for other drivers used to manuals I could see it can feel incredibly unsettling to have the automatic gearbox gear ratio change, engine brake increase, and have no ability to control the clutch.

[@kemalkeza6795]

except there are aftermarket tweaks to the manual from the clutch to the flywheel and then the shift lever and even the gears with expensive conversion kits for those with money, so that minor advantage goes even further to a manual on a track, it also depends on the track and how many corners as manuals can downshift quicker so tracks with more corners give a further advantage to manual.

[@memememine1]

@@kemalkeza6795 manuals cannot downshift faster. Sure you can skip gears but any modern automatic can go from it's highest to it's lowest ratio faster than you can press the clutch in.

[@Feiw622]

“ i can do this everyday, i hope the clutch can” hahaha

[@HallenbeckZ]

How about testing brake pad performance and wear in a racetrack environment? E.g. stock pads vs M Performance pads (or similar material)

[@tyrereviews]

This comes up a lot, I'd like to give it ago!

[@Deviant365]

Premium fuel Vs standard in both power gains or fuel economy

[@nikoweindel1198]

Brake pads in general. OE vs aftermarket

[@MorfiusRacing]

Would love to see a review on brake pad brands ( road use, track race versions + a road / sheet performance pad version ? ) like EBC versus OEM etc.

[@jamdc2000]

The point of premium fuel is to avoid engine knocking and cleaning the system, nothing else

[@boilerhousegarage]

Curb weights and acceleration times are officially measured at half a tank.

[@tyrereviews]

Good to know, thanks!

[@onehorsepower]

@@tyrereviews... and the curb weights are shockingly high, my main gripe with these cars...

[@tylercouture216]

@@onehorsepower how heavy

[@Audidude]

onehorsepower yep - 1650+kg for a performance car is rubbish! It reduces chassis responsiveness.

[@onehorsepower]

@@tylercouture216 1:44 1683kg fullt tank without driver for DCT

[@JoeAchilles1]

Awesome video mate and thanks for the shout out!

[@mattchay84]

Hi could you do a video exploring tyre pressures effects on comfort, economy and performance?

[@tyrereviews]

It's high on the list. It should be done before the summer is out :)

[@Paulkatz123]

Literally the first 10 seconds stating.. no to the whole tire thing Haha

[@egotist11]

Been driving and owning a manual car since day 1, and it's been 8 years I'm having my driving license, truly appreciate your effort trying compete the MT to the DCT

[@jamsbong]

Best motoring actually did this many years ago. The DCT vs Manual on a VW Golf GTI. It was so much fun to watch because the drift king did his best with aggressive shift on the manual car and still can't beat the 50ms shift of a DCT. However, Best Motoring conduct further test on a tight twisty track. It turns out the DCT won't downshift to prevent over-revving. This is a great safety feature that manual box don't have but the driver was not expecting it and end up slower on track than other cars. Generally, manual cars are still way more fun because you do various things like 1. accelerating with initial slip to maintain optimal RPM so that you are in the right power band. 2. a quick clutch kick allows the engine to free spin for a short time to quickly jump into the power band. 3. flip between neutral and engine brake with the clutch only so that you can slow down or freewheel 4. short shift so that you will reduce torque on slippery surface. 5. manual box are easier and cheaper to maintain because it is a simpler design and uses less transmission fluid. 6. skip a gear - you can liberally shift from 4 to 6 gear for example to quickly jump to top gear (DIY econo mode). 7. hold a gear - only in a manual can you keep in one gear like second gear or third. Great for doing tricks like drifting. I'm sure there are more tricks you can do but these are some that I know.

[@tyrereviews]

All very good points :) Modern / well programmed DCT boxes can do some of those, like 4 and 7, but manual is just more fun

[@norcofoxxx]

1. DCT's slip the clutch a low speed similar to how you would a manual 2. DCT's kick down extremely fast (faster than any human could) so you are in the power band as it's programmed to do that.. 3. I can shift to neutral on the move in my DCT Golf R 4. I can quickly flip the gears up using the paddle much in the same way 5. Good point 6. See point 4 7. Many cars with DCT can hold the gear and allow you to hit the limiter (But not all) Manuals are much more fun and you are definitely more involved in driving, but DCT's have come a long way in the past couple of years.

[@2010ngojo]

Also some cars have a dedicated drift mode.

[@the_first_resort940]

Why would you make such a long list and be wrong about almost every single point ? Your life must suck being that ignorant.

[@jamsbong]

@@norcofoxxx Sounds like DCT has improved a lot since I last tried it. I think I should go and test drive a Golf GTI. Do you still need to service it every 30K miles?

[@Willowfifteen]

As usual great content. You've got to respect someone who's a rubber fetishist in the proper way and realises 0-60 times are irrelevant when testing different vehicles on different tyres and tarmac. Keep up the good work.

[@ericmichel3857]

Is this still a question? I thought by now even the most ardent manual fans have come to realize DCT is faster, always. Frankly I am surprised it was that close, in most cars the difference is half a second or more, and it only gets worse as speed and distance increase. Manuals are fun and more involving, but they are not faster, not any more. We always went manual back in the day because it was faster and more fuel efficient, now that is no longer true. If you want a manual for driving enjoyment great, but for any sort of competition you are just being foolish.

[@tyrereviews]

All very fair points

[@ramadhanisme7]

Couldn't agree more, if we compared a manual with a conventional torque converter auto definitely manual will win but if we compare it with modern dual clutch auto then human error can't match the robotic precision

[@user-hc5si5tw5p]

Nearly always true, except for American sport/supercars like corvettes camaros vipers etc, they set nurburgring records in manuals but also need very very skilled drivers

[@siraff4461]

Sequential manuals are usually the fastest - similar shift speed with lower weight. Even this test shows an average manual - it doesn't like to be rushed and that rev hang slows you down a bit. Personally I couldn't care less which is faster. Auto's are nicer daily drivers, manuals are better for engagement. A good manual is better than an average auto and vice versa. For instance this manual isn't as fast as the dct but this dct isn't as good as the manual for slow manouvering and so on.

[@omnipresentvideo7686]

@@user-hc5si5tw5p wasn't the Camaro ZL1 record set with the auto?

[@LazyRASHO]

Did anyone else notice the gear lever @ 2:22 ??!! I haven't seen this scince the 80's.... :D

[@bboydrae]

Finally a proper test of DCT vs Manual, your attention to detail is very much appreciated!👍

[@tyrereviews]

Thank you! 👍

[@theglassarrow_]

The problem with comparing manuals and autos is that autos is almost perfect, manuals take more time than a day to drive as fast as it could go. Without changing anything when I first got my infiniti I starting with 7ish 0-60 and now can go mid 5s from just knowing the car better

[@curtistino2603]

I only watched the video for the sake of watching but I was 100% certain of the outcome even before watching. I can't imagine a world in which a man changes gears faster than a computer.

[@SamAustin]

Interesting stuff! Maybe a manual car for the road (more fun at slower speeds) and an auto for the track (max performance) 🤔

[@tyrereviews]

Solid logic

[@helixworld]

DCT is a good for a track car if there are no cooling issues. I like the fact that DCT makes it impossible to mis-shift and break something.

[@onehorsepower]

@@helixworld which makes it boring also. Same goes if the car drives itself ;)

[@Henry_Jr_Watsson]

@@onehorsepower Boring yet less of a headache. With a manual, most people always have a heartbreak after a launch. Ah...the clutch!

[@wavelength1970]

Great video. 0.2 seconds of 0 to 60 time definitely isn't worth the boredom of an autotragic transmission.

[@charlesa1234]

do you buy car to not get bored? or to drive you from point A to point B?

[@wavelength1970]

@@charlesa1234 I chose cars that aren't boring. Autotragics are always boring.

[@gerardoelizondo5481]

@@charlesa1234 If I want a car to drive from point A to B I would drive an auto🤮 than a manual. Manual is an elite transmission, and nobody get bored with that.

[@Martin-xb2rz]

A dct is more efficient and faster but it's boring for someone who wants to DRIVE a Car.

[@miks564]

That's false. I drove manuals for more than 20 years and sequentials with paddle shifters for more than 10 (not counting with simulator time) ...and using paddle shifters and the response from the gearbox is a lot more fun to me, specially on mountain roads. Downshifts and upshifts are always a blast.

[@Mirceabalea]

An automatic gear box is best in town traffic or on the race track. With a manual you feel more connected to the car and is also more reliable and requires practically no maintenance. It's a matter of preference.

[@tyrereviews]

Agreed

[@tomtom255]

I disagree, I prefer a manual on the street specifically because it makes me pay attention to and is far more fun than an auto. As for lap times-if you aren't a professional-(which no one is)-having fun is probably your priority. A lot of manuals come with auto rev matching as well, So buy a manual and have more fun.

[@nirfz]

A collegue of mine drives ambulances in his spare time, he became a friend of automatic gearboxes. quote: "when you are already struggeling to drive the high center of gravity thing you want both your hands on the steering wheel." As for myself: while i have 2 auto cars, it's less because of me wanting these gearboxes but that they both weren't even sold with a manual. After owning 6 different cars with auto gearboxes, and having driven a few others as company cars i find that, as with any programmed softwarecontrolled thing, auto gearboxes have "glitches": They might be rare, but over the years you get some. Sometimes they won't kick down.(for 5-10 seconds and then suddenly when you aren't expecting it anymore...) Somtimes they engage a gear rough and you don't know why. Sometimes they stay in a gear way longer than you want. Or if you take the praised ZF 8 speed in a last gen VW Touareg we have in the company, that in a few speeds just can't decide which gear to use and constantly changes up-down-up-down... Not that humans always shift the way they should. But then i can blame my own, and it's kind of more predictable when it happens. I don't like DCTs in traffic much, because most of them are not that smooth off the stop and only few of them are "wet" cluthcpacks. The dry ones, in lots of Stop and go, heat up and wear out quicker. A torque converter auto in traffic is fine with me. But then again it depends on the programming done to it. *cough VW Touareg *cough). I don't go on racetracks, so i don't care for tenths of seconds. Driving on twisty mountain roads sometimes i wish my "fun car" would have a manual.

[@An.Individual]

good to see a KZbinr who understands and uses rollout properly

[@MKTheGreat]

You got me at kilos. No more googling every time someone says a number, to convert it into KGs

[@marke1464]

Now put Cleetus in it, he shifts so fast, time turns backwards.

[@harbl2479]

He’d break it!

[@thewalkingbank6645]

Best part is you had so much fun you wanted to keep testing

[@VasyaIvanovichPupkin]

Doing something yourself over having it done for you, is always a win!

[@logwind]

I will happily sacrifice a few tenths in acceleration or overall lap time to have the fun and high engagement of a manual transmission. As fast and impressive as modern semi-automatics are with their dual clutches or whatever, all you're doing is steering the car. With three pedals, you're in total control. That's real driving.

[@pathmaker2337]

Whether you drive an automatic or a manual, you're still performing "real driving". Enough with that auto bad, manual good bullshit.

[@irsyadhasan3908]

I would rather have Automatic Transmission, Semi-Automatic Transmission, CVT Transmission, and DCT Transmission.

[@LRM12o8]

@@pathmaker2337 No, it's driving with the car selecting the gear for you! (-:

[@spinblade6459]

@@LRM12o8 I don't think you've driven a DCT in your life.

[@findingneutral426]

I’d still rather have the manual

[@foxlecool1]

I have a VW Golf with the DCT. It's very convenient in heavy traffic and way better than the conventional automatic... but not as fun as a manual !!

[@findingneutral426]

Fouad LAHLOUH funnily enough I’ve got a Golf R manual as a daily and totally agree. The DSG box changes the car, for me it detracts from the involvement

[@Ginbaubabe]

Most people in HK think it’s crazy to drive a manual daily but it’s so much fun I must keep driving manual until my left leg becomes cripple 😆 hope there will be hand clutch for road cars by then

[@DarkIzo]

wcytim you could switch to a bike yknow :D also people that say a dct is just as smooth as a manual while getting kicked in the back with every geae shift

[@nearlyretired7005]

@@Ginbaubabe I've been driving for forty years and have owned fifteen cars,all of them manual. Drove a Aston DB9 paddle didn't like it,but it was a old model and the change was slow.I like to heel and toe,so manual cars for me. I bought a manual M2 and it took me some time to find one!

[@radugenis9698]

But compare the consistency, auto gearbox will be the king. Thanks for this great video!

[@tyrereviews]

Great point!

[@itsmeagain1745]

You don't need to be a gear change wizard who never fluffs a change. Anybody can be quick off the lights with a DCT. Manual is more fun though - you need to think more, read the road more. You need to be awake! It's more engaging.

[@martsmarts]

Something i learned... get the standard seats, save up for recaros

[@TomEnduro]

Load the drive train with the handbrake on the Manuel car (with your thumb on the handbrake button) before launch. That’s the technique we use when launching off the line in rallying.

[@stevend3753]

This, and CarWow are my favorite car channels.

[@tyrereviews]

Thanks!

[@photosmithy]

Totally agree

[@MrAchilles113]

I had the DCT in my M2 and adored it. Felt like an F1 driver in my head, banging off lightning quick gear changes. Also, the unit somehow felt much stronger than the somewhat fragile-feeling PDK I had in my Cayman, which also hesitated much more from a complete stop than the DCT.

[@orbitaljunkie]

Same. I love the DCT. I had a Miata before the M2 and the manual trans in the M2 felt really weird and "spongy", if that makes sense. DCT was just the better choice imo.

[@user-no6gy9sd3f]

Can do a test about temperature and degradation? Thanks

[@tyrereviews]

As in winter tyres in summer, or summer tyres in winter, or track stuff?

[@carlos-edits32]

It's not about the car... It's about the driver

[@questy4tw]

Except u drive automatic

[@carlos-edits32]

@@questy4tw Imagine taking an automatic seriously

[@fara.r.8181]

DCT is a go for me. Similar to our smartphone, why bother keep changing while we can stick to the physical keyboard for more "fun factor"?

[@Tribulation88]

I'll always chose manual, I still enjoy driving when I can. The few people I know who have auto's really don't enjoy driving, it's just a neglected mode of transport for them.

[@ryujinmiatand770]

So why bother how they want to drive their car?

[@briank10101]

By this logic, people who don't manually crank their engine with crank handles aren't real drivers.

[@spinblade6459]

@@briank10101 The shit femanuals come out with gets more and more frantic, desperate and weird the less manuals are produced. I almost feel sorry for them. I'd imagine you had the same shit from the last of the horse holdouts as the numbers dropped to about 1.75% opting for a horse over a car (where the manual vs DCT/automatic numbers are now): "But my horse is more engaging..."

[@exotic444]

My Audi A5 has a 8 speed CVT, I’ve been very happy with the performance and good for motorways, even though I’ve heard good things about the 7 speed DCT.

[@peterlabiak1051]

Sorry to high jack this, what about doing 5 laps around the track to see which box is faster? I bet DCT would wipe the floor with the manual ! I have m135i manual btw lol.

[@tyrereviews]

One for another video :)

[@Audidude]

Will be quicker, just. But wipe the floor? Nah. And the manual driver will be enjoying the car more.

[@Audidude]

Michael haha, give me driving pleasure over Willy waving any day. So many people put bragging numbers at the bar at the top of their list of important things about their car. Drivers put driving pleasure and connection with the experience at the top. Two different demographics.

[@peterlabiak1051]

@@Audidude It will wipe the floor with manual. Every gear change is slower plus missed gear changes plus in wrong gear at wrong time. Even if you you do not make any mistakes the longer the circuit the faster DCT will be - it is simple maths with everything else absolutely identical in ideal world testing conditions. With manual box you will always make mistakes with gear changes - DCT doesn't . If you know your DCT you can drive even faster than in auto mode using paddles.

[@robertabageru7000]

For an amateur, thea, but for a pro, fifth gear tested it an it was 0.1,0.2 sec slower.

[@sszhao11]

the difference probably resulting from DCT have lower gear ratio than manual, so it has more torque at the wheel at every speed. 2017 M3 Manual DCT 1st 2.315 2.593 2nd 1.542 1.701 also, DCT shift speed is essentially 0, because it can (at least in VW and corvette) engage next gear a little before previous gear gets released. consistency and 100% rev match accuracy is what I like my DSG in VW GTI so much. manual is fun at track, but doesn't work when you are tired, distracted, hours sitting in traffic or after leg day in the gym

[@Xfacehack]

0-100kmh is not everything, i say go for laptimes. Dct va manual

[@ApothecaryTerry]

For timing anything, auto wins easily. Manuals are great for fun, although honestly most really fast cars aren't that much fun anyway in isolation, they're just for showing off (not that I'm against doing that).

[@popin_boi2673]

@@ApothecaryTerry it just depends, not every manual transmission can shift fast. In all just depends on the driver and the skill of shiftin.

[@LRM12o8]

Unless you're a Formula One driver, you're probably not gonna get better times without AWD, automatic gearbox and electronic helpers. But where's the fun in that? Do you race to see what the sophisticated systems of your car are capable of, or to see what *you as a driver* are capable of?

[@07ORO]

Never heard of this channel before. Thanks KZbin for recommending it. This is quality content. Subscribed!

[@tyrereviews]

Awesome, thank you!

[@MikeProcter1]

To me this shows that the DCT/automatic can be driven faster & more consistently compared to manual cars

[@clevernduruza8624]

I thought dct is not automatic

[@karlxu782]

hard to say which one is better. dct for performance, manual for handling. dct for lapping, manual for drifting. dct for convenience, manual for fun. Also, I am very curious the lap time difference, I can think of no factor makes manual faster at drag race, but a few case I do believe manual has a tiny advantage on lapping, but just a few tho. would be great if you can test it out.

[@DjNikGnashers]

Not just DCT gearboxes .. what about the ZF8 torque converter, which BMW use in many cars. It's faster than almost all of the DCT's. My M140i mapped to about the same power (410bhp/576nm) does 60 in 4 seconds flat (ZF auto).

[@MrAchilles113]

Nah. Not quite. I had the ZF8 in my m235i and then DCT in my M2. ZF8 probably the finest and quickest TC auto I ever used and somewhat comparable on upshifts on actual speed. Even then, it didnt compare to DCT downshifts and overall responsiveness. ZF8 often gave some really weird and rough shifts in manual mode while DCT is much more consistent.

[@DjNikGnashers]

@@MrAchilles113 I did say 'almost all' DCT's. Which is true. The BMW DCT's are particularly good, and the Porsche PDK is amazing, but and I am basing my opinion on experience of driving lots of modern cars (I work in the motor trade), and the ZF8 is a better gearbox than most DCT's from almost any other volume manufacturer. I'm talking none-premium manufacturers specifically. I stand by my comment.

[@MrAchilles113]

@@DjNikGnashers and i agree with you too. ZF8 with bmw tune especially (it was terrible in c7 vette for instance) was easily one of the best and closest to DCT I've experienced. Apparently the newest one in the m5 abs soon to launch m3 are even better. That said, I'm disappointed the m4/m3 didn't stick with dct. Bmw's was excellent and suited those cars better

[@tonybtrucks3029]

Great vid! Back on the day we used to call it slam shifting and it got the job done. No clutch and slam the f’r into the next gear. Faster than a dct but you need to time it right. Do it a few times and you’ll master it.

[@tyrereviews]

haha not my gearbox so perhaps I'll skip that one!

[@xdragosx]

That data logging ... can you get more scientific the this? Awesome video!

[@365MOTORSPORT]

Woow, The sound of M2 Manual is like a M3 E46 N/A!! I love it! +1 Like

[@tyrereviews]

You'll be sad to know some of it is fake sound :(

[@nabushdinosaure]

Lap time comparison :) We may have a surprise there...it's way closer most of the time

[@keanehgz]

Did you build boost before launching?

[@Alex-cn9uj]

"I can do this all day I hope the clutch can" 👍😂

[@billymania11]

I spec'd my M2 with the mDCT and have no regrets. I grew up with manual transmissions so I paid my dues. Modern cars with manual transmissions and 6 or more gears does not sound like fun and the chance of a money-shift rises enormously with those many gearshifts.

[@pcburnin4348]

7:22 that grind tho😬

[@bernardwarr4187]

Great test, thanks for sharing. You will never see a top end manual dragster

[@pjay3028]

Interesting that at 2.5 sec, at the point that you change out of 1st, you were faster than the DCT, so you did actually beat the DCT on the launch, it's purely the gear change time that slows the manual. Maybe you should consider going to the gym and building up those biceps to shift a bit quicker 😂

[@tyrereviews]

haha as soon as gyms reopen I'll b there!

[@POVShotgun]

If I had a hand that moved as fast as the dct I would stay single forever!

[@OlavAlexanderMjelde]

Main problem would be that even though you after 6 launches got the correct RPM and shift points, it will be for that heat of the tires, for that humidity, that temperature in the air, that condition with grip on tarmac. So the DCT will always adapt quickly, where as the manual shifting it will be harder for the human to know about all those factors and then hit it at once. If you are doing racing like drag racing, the smallest win is still a win.. But of course if you are just daily driving it, maybe its more fun with a manual.

[@vo_van_inc]

try old school - use hand brake on manual m2 - it's like ''launch''

[@anthonyisgro7185]

I know we're trying to keep everything as neutral / equal as possible, buuuuut..... Maybe upgrade to a sequential shifter or other super short shifter options? And change out the transmission mounts.

[@mitchellstrauss8187]

I think use a manual is more for have fun and feel more adrenaline when you drive.

[@calador1918]

My last car was a 330d f30 manual my current one is the same car but with dct, the automatic (1st one I've owned) is so much more fun than any manual I've owned especially when some dreamer (usually in an audi) tries to beat me off the lights😂

[@rolberg]

Love the thoroughness, great comparison!

[@solarcell07]

Your RPM is to high when change gear..

[@Henry_Jr_Watsson]

If that's your best...then just imagine how normal drivers shift with their manual...Even you, with going 100% for the perfect launch in the manual was hard-pressed even achieving the factory-claimed time. If it were me, I'd be way too slow in that M2. You did very well imho! You even beat the DCT before your 2nd shift according to the graph. Well done!

[@tyrereviews]

It was a fun test but the shift speed on DCT is INSANE

[@sergioserramusic]

I love the M2 and I'm gonna get myself a 235i manual some day (alle the car I ever need)

[@tyrereviews]

Nice :)

[@ApothecaryTerry]

235i sounds nicer too.

[@Buckaroo27]

That was an interesting video, the one aspect that you could have included is tyre core temperature before each run as the times were coming down as the tyre gets hotter. It looked difficult to find the optimum launch in the manual car regarding throttle, clutch slip and tyre slip. Good video, thanks.

[@tyrereviews]

Great point!

[@Scotford_Maconochie]

Britain:gearbox Meanwhile in america we call that a TRANSMISSION!!!

[@adamthompson6669]

Thank you so much Jono I look at tyres so much different now. Love the channel and will be showing to Mum as she has a automatic M2 competition. And Michelin super sport tyres. Also love your website too have been reading up on my tyres and parents tyres too.

[@tyrereviews]

Our pleasure!

[@runnerbaba]

His bicep is bigger than my car´s rims!

[@kells77]

You must have tiny rims

[@omnipresentvideo7686]

Granted my body fat is a little on the high side right now, my arm circumference matches my cars wheel diameter. The cars a little older, but so am I.

[@jamsbong]

Yeah. really stands out when wearing a tight small t-shirt.

[@carguyuk7525]

Great video. My car (not a BMW) can pull off in second and hit 60mph before third gear. This allows 0-60 in about 3.5secs in a manual car. 100mph is just under 7secs in third. These times are on standard road tyres.

[@tyrereviews]

wow, what car?

[@FlaviaPitariu]

Dct sure is faster even with an extra shift

[@pierrecolombo4654]

Who cares about .2 of a second when you can have the total control on your car thanks to the manual?

[@peterhammer6915]

@@pierrecolombo4654 you have total control of your car when you use shift pedals with the DTC. Personally I have had about 80 % of my cars manuals but would never go back to manual again, especially DTC is fun. Don't know about the 8-speed torque converters, which come with the G80 M3

[@JensenAzotea]

Please start doing testing on diesel trucks. Your channel would make a great platform for comparisons on tires, brakes, upgrades, capabilities.

[@callumhayes9733]

You have to give BMW launch control a few more seconds to build boost, so says BMW for a lot of their cars

[@efthymiosinepekoglou4730]

Shift without leaving the throttle during the acceleration and you will see other results...... with this way you avoid the turbo lag and you save some tenths. The problem is that you kill the clutch. In turbo engines the difference is massive. Very nice video by the way as always.

[@tyrereviews]

I did think about flat shifting but sadly not my car

[@philipstokes2824]

Still rather have a manual, more fun and involving.

[@intopicture]

Love your website, love your tyre videos and... love this one, too. Great job! 👍🏻

[@tyrereviews]

Thanks so much!

[@woosha10]

What is more enjoyable. We all know it’s the H pattern !

[@tyrereviews]

Totally!

[@QuantumS1ngularity]

Do one test about fuel economy, but not on a track. In the real world, something like 50 miles in one direction and back with manual and automatic. Hills, overtaking all the usual stuff.

[@DanJoshy007]

Manual is for real driving!

[@josephferdaws2590]

Do a real world application test comparing the two i.e. fuel economy, daily live ability, real world performance usage.

[@ApothecaryTerry]

DCT wins all of the above. Hugely dependent on where/how it's driven though. If you live in a major city and spend an hour in traffic, any manual car is a stupid idea. If you drive mostly at high speed there won't be much difference.

[@user-he1xq5jn7e]

Only manual!!! All time classic...

[@housepianist]

A case study in why performance automatics are better, faster, and more consistent than manual. I’m a manual lover but I’ll easily take a good automatic just for its performance gains, no matter how large or small.

[@octaviangeorge5455]

Yes but... When driving fast, on tracks for example, the difference will increase a lot more because you will do way more shifts than at a drag race.

[@slightlyinsaneraf]

And I still choose manual if possible. I couldn't care less about that .2s I don't care about numbers, I just wanna enjoy my car. It's still pretty close.

[@brandonhodnett5420]

I’d still take the manual every time! You ride in an auto, but you drive a manual. If your grandma can do it just as well then what’s the point?

[@sjahg2685]

Well, then I am sorry for the racing drivers, because they just "ride". (Most of the modern race cars have automatic transmission, like F1, LMP1, WRC etc) And my point is: It is not the 70's.

[@tablet4327]

Manual shift (paddle or stick) with a dct - all the fun and with most of the advantages. I've driven both and all I miss with dct is being able to drop two gears if I'm caught in a high gear :)

[@magnus-thome]

You can. Pull and hold the shift down paddle and push the throttle fully down. It will automatically shift to the lowest possible gear whatever gear you're in. Great fun!

[@TsLeng]

Not watched the video but yes, dct will be quicker than manual.

[@mandlarikhotso4234]

Dude thanks for your reviews,you are so good, I so wish to see this dcte and manual on a 3 or 4 kilometre distance

[@Joey856721]

Shortest answer: No you cannot! A human is NEVER faster than a computer that he/she programmed to do that ONE thing in the first place. But manual is more fun 😁😉

[@CM.243]

Semi-auto (which all autos can do) is best of both. If a paddle shifter is good enough for F1/WRC, then they're good enough for me too.

[@tonyhollerz6958]

Charles M it’s still not a true manual. Unfortunately manuals are starting to die down and less cars are being produced with a manual option.

[@mykolapelyp9065]

Bullshit, you have to do it right, without wheelspin not just “drop the clutch” you have to sensually release it

[@romadmike1]

I didn't even care much about the video subject, but I must applaud your efforts for such a fair comparison. Nice!

[@tyrereviews]

I appreciate that!

[@tomasz899]

Facts: manual is more difficult to drive fast. Manual is more prone for errors. Manual requires more concentration, effort and thinking "ahead". If You really often track Your car (You're not, around 5% people do that :D ) you can still improve Your lap time with manual. There is always better line, breaking point, apex, etc to take. With manual it is more fun. It does not matter which is faster! You never race on streets for real, the split seconds You can save driving from A to B is nothing. The correct question is: are You lazy poser or ambitious guy enjoying challenging yourself to get better results. Depending from the answer choose Your option.

[@DStabs720]

Tomasz Paluch perfect reasoning to this argument! Also, you have two dads and a boyfriend if you choose a manual.

[@MaartenvanHeek]

@@DStabs720 What's more manly than two men together :D

[@MyILoveMinecraft]

How about testing the impact of rear breaks. Like put real good shit on the front of two cars. Then have drums or something in the back of one and good once on the other. It could be especially interesting in a fwd because they have all that weight in the front

[@yurixruz]

Manual for me, thanks.

[@bEEBO178]

You won't have a choice soon. The old tech is getting phased out, just like the hand crank engine start did

[@335ifnx101]

And this is in a sporty car with assumedly low-flex engine and gearbox mounts, low-tolerance short-throw shifter assembly and well synchronized warmed up gearbox. The more sub optimal variables you have in the equation, the more noticeable the difference gets.

[@harbl2479]

Assumedly? Lol

[@olimpiuchis1905]

Whatever, manual forever!

[@Saavvvv]

Mate, I frickin love watching your vids. I just wish you'd make more!

[@tyrereviews]

Trying my best!

[@silvenshadow]

What's the difference? Control. Not to mention engagement and fun. If .02 matters to you, and control doesnt get a mod. An air filter might get you that.

[@jreid641]

I love my manual transmission but there's no way I can shift my Mini Countryman 6 speed faster than everyone else on the road's automatic shifts. Even with turbo I'm constantly getting left in the dust by Kia's and other commuter units.

[@simonread5966]

Performance tyre testing is all well and good, but I'd like to see some testing on Eco tyres; which tyre offers the lowest rolling resistance with greatest economy, low noise, high comfort, shortest breaking distance in a common size.

[@tyrereviews]

I should have finished a 16" test by now but Covid happened :(

[@Vision33r]

The only way a manual will beat a DCT is when the tires are worn but in the same scenerio and condition test no human can beat a DCT. It's like pulling a lever vs pushing a button which is faster?

[@DonLee1980]

turbo cars work much better with DCT gearboxes. As a Manual, the lift of the accelerator also makes the turbos introduce a slight delay before the boost is back on after you switched gears.

[@tyrereviews]

Good point

[@PY0615]

I would love to see the DCT vs Manual from a roll. Maybe 40-100mph?