"Tyson Fury's Position At The Anthony Joshua Negotiation Table Got Stronger" Adam Catterall EXPLAINS

[@SmokingJoe62]

Referring to Fury as “the second best HW on the planet” is exactly why he’s retired. What’s the point in him needing to prove he’s the 2nd best HW when idiot pundits hand it to him on a plate regardless. He’d struggle with Dubois, Joshua, Bakole or Zhang, he’s a long way from deserving the pedestal you’re putting him on

[@HisExcellencyB]

Unlucky pal 👍🏼

[@Mav90210]

​@HisExcellencyB How do you know. Have u seen him fight Zhang, Bakole, DDD? Ohh wait, I forgot who i am talking to...a Casual who bases their judgments on assumptions instead of preferring to see the fights happen

[@Mav90210]

@@HisExcellencyB You sure do love putting ur king on a pedestal hey?

[@HisExcellencyB]

@@Mav90210 is Joshua a fighter again? I thought you wanted him to be left alone to be a charity worker?

[@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma]

​@@Mav90210Your King got dropped 9 times against Ruiz and Dubois, quit against the ropes and knocked out cold 😂

[@reecepage8322]

Anyone else just bored of all of the Fury family? Hope he does retire, bored of hearing him

[@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma]

Fury is the best British heavyweight since Lennox Lewis and no. 2 in the world. The real hypejob and fraud Anthony Joshua got dropped 9 times and quit/sparked out by Ruiz and Dubois 😂

[@SaintAdam49]

Tommy Fury is a no mark. Hughie Fury is an also ran. John Fury is a bum. Peter Fury is the one who speaks sense

[@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma]

@@SaintAdam49Tyson Fury cracks Anthony Joshua's glass chin. John Fury and Tommy Fury would batter Johnathon Joshua and Jacob Joshua🤣

[@SaintAdam49]

@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma To be fair, when Big John lands the nut, he tends to come off worse. Just be sure to have your swimming goggles on

[@delgriffithification]

Yet here you are.

[@winnerwinnerchickendinner-y4w]

1 / He threw a meagre 371 punches against Klitschko almost all of them jabs at a rate of 1 per 6 seconds. 2 / His other career highlight was beating a bloke whose best win was and remains Bermayne Stiverne. 3 / He sustained a cut that required 47 stitches against a journeyman that in almost any other fight would have resulted in him being stopped. 4 / He was dropped by a man making his pro debut before winning a contentious decision. 5 / He has been floored 8 times in his career 6 / Of the widely regarded top 10 in the world (Usyk , Dubois , AJ , Bakole , Kabayel , Parker , Zhang , Hrgovic , Wardley , Itauma) he has fought precisely 1 , resulting in 2 defeats from 2 fights These are all FACTS , they are not disputable and off the back of these facts anyone arguing he's the clear 2nd best HW on the planet must have an agenda.

[@AntonioDisalsa]

I also thoroughly believe he borrowed that guy he talks about Dick Turpins mask against John Mcdermott in the first fight and arguably against Francis Nganno too. I think he's the longest reigning Heavyweight that never fought anyone!

[@Brub89]

Lost against McDermott too. Wilder best win probably Ortiz imo, but otherwise spot on.

[@princemikokoworld9064]

you just break it down the way i have always see furys career, he has not fought and strong opponents since the wilder fight. but his fanboys still open their mouth to praise him ..its so funny.

[@Dave-ls3wv]

@@winnerwinnerchickendinner-y4w absolute facts mate regarding flabby fury

[@MaccaveliPL]

Oh c'mon, Ortiz was better than Stiverne :P

[@dieserder]

It’s baffling how people and so called „experts“ talk about Fury as if he is number 2 for sure. The guy needs to clean out the division to prove that. He is the Conor McGregor of the boxing heavyweight division but without the track record. The trilogy against wilder was great entertainment and I loved it but Wilder is a one trick pony with little technical boxing skills and a highly curated CV. Fury should fight Joshua and Dubois and Zhang and then we can talk about number 2 status. Usyk has achieved more credibility and a way stronger track record in a few years in the division than Fury in his whole life. Not taking away the skillset Fury has. He is definitely elite but he needs to proof himself. Ducking many greats of the generation doesn’t go well with a big mouth. Lots to be desired here.

[@danexitsstreetview3273]

Completely agree. Any other pro sportsman I can think of ends up on top by beating the best in his field. Fury has somehow achieved the same and earned a fortune without doing this. Mad really, His only real names are Klitchko ( past his best ) and Wilder. Hasn't Joshua beaten almost all other fighters that Fury has?

[@dang6092]

Do you always talk this much nonsense?

[@TheDreamer1980]

@@dieserder the only thing furys cleaning out now is his rottweilers kennel... He's been back nearly 8 years believe it or not, had plenty of time to clear out the division, he could of fought dubois and Zhang, bakole in the time he was pissing about with chisora and ngannou avoiding usyk and if he was that good he wouldn't of needed a trilogy with Wilder, don't get me wrong I loved every one of those fights but he (a supposed great, a master boxer) should of knocked out Wilder that first fight and never needed the other 2 fights but for all his talk that Wilder wouldn't be able to get near him he nearly got sparked out trying and least 2 of those unnecessary fights took so much out of him he hasn't been the same since, 35 fights in 17 years is ridiculous... He should be near 45/50 fights by now and its all on him, wasted talent..

[@Dandoyupeben]

Fury scared of AJ if he’s loses he’s legacy is in the gutter

[@Deadpaul-19078]

What legacy? The 2 decent fighters he beat

[@quinndavid-h7g]

Fury does not care about legacy, he cares about money, and this is nothing more than a way to leverage more dosh!

[@tigerward88]

Fury needs to fight Joshua then retire

[@HazardousTrip]

Totally agree

[@Deadpaul-19078]

@@quinndavid-h7g remember Fury saying he will fight AJ for free 🤦🏻

[@HazardousTrip]

Yeah Adam, no one did that to Wilder when Fury did it, because no one fought Wilder, the only decent boxers he has fought, he has been obliterated by. He's never been good, just got a thunderous right hand.

[@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma]

Anthony Joshua ducked Undisputed with Wilder in 2018. He admitted on Toe2Toe podcast in October 2017 that he would avoid Wilder for 3 years or longer. AJ said, "Wilder has been a pro longer than I have been boxing.Nobody can rush my career".😂

[@shaunharding2297]

Stupid Wilder Fans... how clear does it have to be, Wilder even said he ducked AJ for Fury for less money and thought he was Cherry picking Fury as he looked a state from his last fight(over weight and coming out of depression)

[@danexitsstreetview3273]

Bingo! Wilder was a v poor boxer and Fury knew he could beat him if he could stay away from that right hand. Yes Fury rose like a demon after being knocked down, but he still got knocked down. Men like Zhang made it look much easier. If people are then going to say that is because he was already damaged by the Fury fights,, then that holds as much weight with Fury's win over a nearly 40 year old Klitchko.

[@HazardousTrip]

@@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma yeah everyone was scared of Wilder back then because of his knockout power, wasn't until people worked out that he was an awful boxer that people became unafraid. Also about money too, most of these boxes will fight each other, it's their promoters that do the ducking not them

[@BlackMamba-y8e]

100 % KO record and undefeated Wilder proved he was a tough mfkr in their 3rd fight he doesn't look for the floor like Joshua.

[@LiveForever181]

What evidence is there to say Fury is definitely number 2 in the division? Who has he beat recently to suggest that? This is exactly why Fury has gotten away with not fighting top contenders over the years. He says he's the best in the division, and no one is close to him, and for some reason the fans and the media lap it up and are brainwashed into believing he's the best without actually having to prove it. Everyone just accepted it for soome reason, It's pathetic

[@jrhartley]

Because he most likely is. That's like saying I might be the second best, who knows I have never lost. So some of it is feel and some of it is the career.. he's the best guess given where he was and where he is, he didn't heavily lose to usyk and debois doesn't have the career... So feels right

[@perryaldis]

He got beaten by the best fighter there is 😂

[@Businessreadycoach]

I really think I need to stop watching talk sport boxing because I don't believe you guys know anything about boxing. Deontay wilder did not fight anybody apart from tyson fury and old man that almost had him. They picked fury as they fought he was going to be a light touch. Then they tell us wilder is washed up when he got beat by parker and the big bang.

[@MrUmpalumpa99]

The wilder that fought Fury would’ve kod AJ in one of those fights. Fury has brilliant recovery skills and AJ has a glass jaw. AJ couldn’t do what Fury did to Wilder in terms of outclassing him with his boxing as AJ is also poor technically so would be trading power blows with wilder and wilder would come out on top

[@CranxCycling]

kudos to Adam Caterall, agree with every word he said

[@Skunkman-w5x]

The only time fury has been close to retirement is when he was on the beek.

[@petereducator]

Adam trying to sound as close to that James o Brien fool as he can. Must be listening to his podcast too much

[@deancooper9000]

'He's highly respected......' No he's not, he's detested just like his Da

[@jessemceniery1717]

Battle of the losers

[@bluemarvelous]

If you only watch fighters that haven't lost, then you shouldn't watch boxing or any other sport tbh 🫤..

[@chrisgaines2019]

Fury’s bottled it, plain and simple.

[@PinarelloVelo]

2nd best? I’d back Dubois, Joshua & even Moses to put it on Fury in a big way right now. Even cilit bang Zhang’s left jab to cause him all manner of problems

[@DysonFraudy]

Please stop talking about Tyson coming back, the boxing fans celebrated when he said he was retired, we don’t need the fury’s in boxing any more, there are like boxing scammers frauds bring down boxing, we need rif of the fury’s once and for all, biggest fraud of this era Tyson fury and family . Bunch of conmen, got smashed up by a little middleweight, Tyson fury history of fights don’t come anywhere near AJ, please stay retired for the sake of boxing and cleaning it up

[@neilcolligan9025]

Wilder isn't a particularly good example. He never fought a top fighter at his lean at all. And when he did he was beaten convincingly every time

[@BOXINGKINGS786]

that matey who rings up is brilliant knows his boxing get him on live

[@Dave-ls3wv]

Haha saying fury one of the greatest stick to football Carlton Jesus

[@bluemarvelous]

Everyone on this platform says the same thing.. They're under instruction by the agenda driven Talksport management.. Usyk himself said that "Fury will lose against AJ" funny how these people fail to mention it 🤷

[@andymrkipling]

Why is Carlton Cole on TalkSport Boxing?

[@bluemarvelous]

Retired boxers can not be tested for PEDs.. Fury has tested positive against Klitschko and has retired for the 4/5th time now since that fight.. 🤔 This casual platform went hard on Connor Benn for 18 months straight.. Yet they fail to highlight the obvious when it comes to Fury .. There's NO WAY a fighter of his size and poor physical shape, should be able to go 12 rounds without gassing out!! Any normal human being that's been to the gym will tell you that 🤷!!

[@declanosullivan8749]

They don’t even have to retire , they are only tested when a fight is coming up, they are not tested year round like Olympians

[@bluemarvelous]

@declanosullivan8749 Yet Fury still managed to test positive!! Check out Simon Jordans interview with Billy Joe Saunders and look up what he has tested positive for!! BJS makes Connor Benn look like Walt Disney yet Simon Jordan is doing puff piece interviews with him sucking him off!! It's all agenda driven mate 🤷

[@MaccaveliPL]

Fury tested positive against Hammer, not Klitschko.

[@michaeloshea7360]

Fury still thinks he's big box office.... I love my boxing but I'm really not interested in the Joshua v Fury thing..... both are way past their best....we had a window 3 to 5 years ago and you could also throw in Joyce and Whyte but they've all been found out....Let's concentrate on Itauma , Fabio ...Bukoli and Dubois, .....for me all four will deal with with both Fury and Joshua and are much more exciting

[@Broccoli31256]

Is every ex aj fan now an usyk fan?

[@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma]

Some of them are genuine Usyk fans. But most are Anthony Joshua fanboys that hate Fury, including British residents of Nigerian descent and 300 million Nigerians in Africa

[@danieljordannicol9937]

​@@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.GrandmaI like all 3

[@winnerwinnerchickendinner-y4w]

The reality is at this point with Furys reputation being so low that retiring does not improve his position in fact much the opposite ; in the eyes of the public he'll be forever seen as the ducker particularly as he announced the retirement within 48 hours of AJ making a very public "calling out". He has to fight AJ now or he'll be seen as a coward ; THAT will be his true legacy and no amount of verbal wordplay from him and his team can conceal that increasingly obvious fact .

[@Barnzy213]

All the noise about Fury for years but the only person who I see that actually will fight anyone and isn’t scared to lose and will keep fighting even if they do lose is AJ. People can say what they want about him but he fights anyone, that’s what great fighters of the past have done, is fight anyone win or lose. A few losses on the record should mean you retire. This is fighting you fight the best, some you win some you don’t.

[@BOXINGKINGS786]

Truth is AJ & Fury are done boxing fans wanna see it Fury has bipolar

[@SF-wx1bu]

The Wilder fights (Tyson won all 3) were great! Wilder thought he was getting an over the hill Fury, but he got smashed!

[@xRonSKiiSpeeD]

I don't give a f*** about Tyson and his antics anymore. It really annoyed me before when he held the WBC belt hostage and flat out refused to fight AJ and Usyk, but "The Turk" put an end to that s*** asap and he's been paid handsomely for it.

[@BlackMamba-y8e]

Bipolar disorder and boxing are a terrible combination. Look at what happened to Oscar Del a Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Conor Mcgregor when they went out on losses and they don't even have it.

[@1976darby]

2nd best doesnt amount to any negotiating power if your not the best then the only negotiating power is fanbase which fury lacks compared to aj thats why he is using retirement as a bargaining chip

[@liamoreilly783]

I.often wo der if fury wasn't out when wilder put him down in that first fight ...he was just having a breather ...he just likes to say he was out and got back up

[@PaulDunning-j7r]

Who cares if they fight fury bluffed his record with nobody, and how anyone thinks him or AJ have this great legacy unbelievable. Not in the league of Lenox Lewis we are just be mugged off

[@jd61215]

6:34 yeah Adam. Dont forget about rhe failed PED test too

[@SaintAdam49]

Sorry but we don't want any more bullshit pantomime fights. We had Haye - Bellew. We had Khan - Brook. We don't need Fury - Joshua or Eubank Jr - Benn Jr

[@andrewgilbert8944]

So fed up with the furys, he has only said he is retiring for attention, i hope does retire

[@MichaelJohnson-ps3ed]

How can a retired fighter be the 2nd best fighter. Fury has retired so he is nothing in the ranking. If the fury joshua fight happens 50/50 split fair

[@2222649]

What makes Tyson fury the second best heavy weight 🤔

[@Aid-u9y]

No because he still thought he beat usyk he'll be back he can't live without boxing

[@HisExcellencyB]

Joshua soiled himself from the rematch with Dubois. Why should such cowardice be rewarded with a big payday against Fury?

[@MTopping02]

Leaving the same exact comment under every video. AJ lives in your head rent free. Again, how is Joshua being "rewarded" with anything if he got the Fury fight? Tyson Fury isn't a champion and is coming off the back of a defeat, just like AJ. The only difference is AJ hasn't lost his bottle completely even after getting demolished by Dubois. Joshua wants the fight because he wants to prove he can beat Tyson Fury, the same way Fury should want to smash up AJ since he's said it would be so easy for so many years. The payday would be a massive "reward" for both fighters since there's no more lucrative fight out there for them. You think Fury can make as much money fighting Chisora for a fourth time as he can fighting AJ?

[@SmokingJoe62]

@@MTopping02pointless wasting your time on this buffoon. You’re better off talking to a pet goldfish

[@HisExcellencyB]

​@@MTopping02I can't get over how funny it is reading AJ hasn't lost his bottle when he literally just bottled it from Dubois 😂😂😂

[@MTopping02]

@@HisExcellencyB AJ got absolutely spanked by Dubois there's no doubt about that. But which man is showing up to the ring magazine awards, shaking hands with his opponents and making callouts for big fights, and which is sat in his car crying about being 'robbed' against Usyk and retiring? I also must've missed the fight where Fury fought and defeated Daniel Dubois? How about you answer any of my points instead of just being a coping Fury fanboy.

[@HisExcellencyB]

@MTopping02 hahahaha oh right, I thought boxing was about fighting and when you take a loss, you at least TRY to avenge it when you have the chance but I was wrong. Apparently its about going to awards cermonies and shaking hands with the guy. Comedy gold 🤣🤣🤣

[@montyl7076]

Is that Skepta dad?

[@daveoconnor2911]

Lot of fury haters on here! Carry on emptying those bin trucks karen or working the production line while fury counts his millions and enjoys the fruits of his fantastic career. Everyone on here would give their left bollock for just a portion of furys success! AJ just spends his money in black only shops and gets sparked by ruiz! The others are next generation and not in the conversation. Stop hating!

[@darksim9]

Fury’s resume is rubbish. I’m a fury fan and had to confront this. He’s beat no one and lost when he did. Weak mind also

[@theconsistentnoddy9851]

All this talk about negotiations is nonsense….. the Saudis don’t split purses between fighters, they make each fighter a confidential offer. Take it or leave it.

[@richardedmondson7305]

Fury can't go on forever lol, even if he changes his mind eventually he will retire so he is best calling it quits now 2BH. Fury went through two difficult training camps for the Usyk fight and just missed out in two close fights so why go through it all again

[@kieranforsyth3110]

Cat man needs someone else to speak boxing to lol Carlton has no idea what to say. Wrong job buddy

[@platonic7272]

Fury will be back to reclaim what was stolen.

[@AaronMartin7193]

We dont want to see Fury v AJ its a batlle of the loosers!! Dont let the door hit you on the way out im actually sick of his BS

[@patrickgarn2562]

He can't handle the fact he lost. So he having a tantrum let him retire an stop talking about him

[@thisnthat4318]

Fury won’t fight AJ

[@JohnpaulHogan-d8q]

He will

[@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma]

Fury offered Anthony Joshua 40 percent split in 2022 and 2023 for the WBC title. Anthony Joshua ducked Fury to fight Franklin and Helenius for no belt and less money

[@steveroach6221]

id say he's a good 6th best heavyweight ATM, ngannou beat him, dubois, moses wiil flaten him

[@shaheennayfeh17]

IDo believe Zhang ,Dubois, agit ,bakole All. Beats fury ….

[@neilharding570]

Ah Carlton Cole. Yeah stick to footy mate as ur boxing knowledge is zero!!

[@tdmedia310]

Surprised people buying this crap. Fury is all about him self he did it in the day of bivol fight presser no even a mention ? Fury did this for attention Because he lost the circus has left town.

[@Alexxx---101]

Hope he stays retired and AJ joins him.

[@Mrash1988]

AJ lost against Usyk 2 times and he was gone. He should retire bla bla bla. Fury lost 2 times against Usyk and he is the second best fighter in the world. How can you get it so wrong?🤯

[@sparkes999]

The 2nd best HW 😂. Based on what exactly?? When was Fury last meaningful win against?? Chisora? He even just scraped past an MMA guy behave Adam. Fury is not going anywhere near some of the top 10...too many danger men.

[@richardgallagher121]

Fury ducked AJ Fury Beat Wilder Parker beat Wilder AJ beat Parker

[@neilharding570]

Who is the clown next to Adam?

[@timcarr2267]

He the boy who cried wolf no one cares about

[@badekalewasiuaderemi7769]

This guy have retired like 10X in the past 😅, he's a clown 😂.

[@alexborg1632]

I don’t get the hate, everyone that hates him say they want him out of the sport and He’s a bad role model. then he retires then it’s ah he’s ducking AJ 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣 why would he be ducking a man who got battered and knocked out in his last fight? Why fight AJ when there’s no belts just to please the British public and prove your the second best heavyweight he wanted to be number 1 no one’s fighting for number 2 ffs

[@HisExcellencyB]

Beating Joshua wouldn't make him number 2 anyway. It would mean as much as beating Chisora again.

[@alexborg1632]

@ wouldn’t make him number 2 of his era? Who would it be then ?

[@Anthony.Joshuas.Irish.Grandma]

300 million Nigerian casuals and Joshua's British fanboys including British residents of Nigerian descent hate Fury and wanted him to retire

[@HisExcellencyB]

​@@alexborg1632beating Joshua means absolutely nothing at this point. He's just been ran through worse than Bonnie Blue

[@harry-thepug76]

All I want to see is that 🔔End Hype Job Fury stay retired!!!!

[@perryaldis]

Who cares about the furys 😂😂😂 tyson retires more then depends belts he got beaten twice by the better fighter.... tommy fury is a absolute joke will never hold a belt. And john 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@alexreid4131]

I’d encourage folks on these comment threads to realize that the names you see over and again every day on multiple channels saying certain inflammatory statements are NOT believing what they are actually saying. In fact if you’ve observed them for a decade or so (like I have) you will note that they change their allegiances , opinions and what their “thing” is over time. Whatever gets the most engagement which tends to be negative engagement. If hating AJ is inflammatory then it’s that. If it’s saying Wilder is the best heavyweight in history then it’s that. If it’s Fury is the GOAT then it’s that. Those people don’t love boxing and don’t give a sh*t about our sport. They have nothing left in their lives and for a decade plus all they’ve done is try and get people to respond to them…every single day for years! Pretty sad. That’s why they change their minds to suit whatever will p*ss people off the most. The true test of whether I’m right about this is this…ask them to respond to a very specific and focussed question with an opinion of their own. They won’t. It goes against the trolling rules of engagement. Best way is to ignore them. Then maybe we can get back to how these comment sections used to be with discussions between actual boxing fans enjoying our sport. It really was awesome back then and was much healthier. Anyway, that’s what I’ve observed. I miss chatting to actual fans 🤷‍♂️

[@HisExcellencyB]

No ones reading that you absolute fan knee

[@alexreid4131]

For some my comment will hit quite close to home and they may end up being the most vocal responders. Probably with zero substance and likely some sort of put down based on nothing. Those are the ones I feel most sorry for. It’s very sad especially when they calculate just how much of their life they’ve given to essentially nothing. But it does hurt actually fans having discussions so that part is important to me and I’m sure to some others. It’s a sad state of affairs and I’m amazed at the tenacity of some of these folk who keep going but are actually saying nothing. All they are after is attention. Very sad.

[@HisExcellencyB]

​@@alexreid4131didn't read that one either pal 👍🏼

[@alexreid4131]

Additionally it’s easy to see over time from comments where people are in the world and just how obsessed some can be. For example I’m in the US so it’s 8pm here. For someone from the UK to respond to this that means they’d be doing that at 4am on a Saturday morning. And everyday, on multiple channels, for over a decade…and at 4am on a Saturday morning. Now that would be very very sad to think about. I can’t even imagine the level of obsession and craziness that would take. Especially saying the same thing over and over. And when they get mad the logic goes entirely out of the window. They will say they didn’t read something else you wrote….while then talking about it. Again, true boxing fans please come back and ignore these strange folk. I miss y’all.

[@perryaldis]

Tyson is fake champion always have been hes been delt with my the greater fight uysk....

[@BOXINGKINGS786]

that matey who rings up is brilliant knows his boxing get him on live