TYT Debates: Is The Extreme Left To Blame For Harris Loss?

[@jomo39]

Cenk is clearly right.

[@No_co_OK]

I genuinely have an incredibly difficult time understanding why he is so aggressively against undocumented immigrants receiving healthcare. I don't get it. EVERY piece of research that has been done on this shows that undocumented immigrants contribute MORE into welfare programs than they take out of them, so what is the issue with allowing them access to free healthcare?

[@xGodWontSaveUx]

You mean has common sense

[@j.goebbels2134]

@@xGodWontSaveUx You mean Cenksplaining his own party now instead of MAGAs.

[@Leo-Galaxy]

Right-wingers get to say the most outlandish things, and they get away with it. If surgery for trans inmates is the most outlandish thing about the left, then it's a pretty tame one, because Harris still would've won anyway if she was actually leaning more progressive.

[@scandallassi]

Guys, PLEASE LISTEN, the ANSWER is SIMPLE: - Republicans (“Right”) & Democrats (“Left”) both serve BIG MONEY CAPITALIST INTERESTS - Democrats must PRETEND to be PROGRESSIVE / POPULIST - In order to bridge the gap between DONORS/OWNERS and VOTERS/WORKERS, Democrats promote progressive SOCIAL issues (e.g. women’s + lgbtq rights, critical race theory, immigration, etc) in order to create the ILLUSION OF PROGRESS, even though there is NO PROGRESS on ECONOMIC WORKING CLASS ISSUES - They INTENTIONALLY promote EXTREME POSITIONS in social progress so that it CREATES TENSION and DIVISION between people (women vs men, white vs minorities, gay vs straight, left vs right, etc) - Republicans use those extreme democratic social positions to RILE UP their (socially conservative) WORKING CLASS base AGAINST the left's ECONOMIC PROGRESS issues. IMPORTANT: The CULTURE WAR is a DISTRACTION from the CLASS WAR!!!

[@soumyajeetghosh6911]

I cannot believe I’m saying this but Cenk is spot on

[@ejb9545]

@@soumyajeetghosh6911 A stopped clock is right twice a day

[@scottweisz]

@@soumyajeetghosh6911 Me too.

[@yazan7828]

Very late

[@scandallassi]

Guys, PLEASE LISTEN, the ANSWER is SIMPLE: - Republicans (“Right”) & Democrats (“Left”) both serve BIG MONEY CAPITALIST INTERESTS - Democrats must PRETEND to be PROGRESSIVE / POPULIST - In order to bridge the gap between DONORS/OWNERS and VOTERS/WORKERS, Democrats promote progressive SOCIAL issues (e.g. women’s + lgbtq rights, critical race theory, immigration, etc) in order to create the ILLUSION OF PROGRESS, even though there is NO PROGRESS on ECONOMIC WORKING CLASS ISSUES - They INTENTIONALLY promote EXTREME POSITIONS in social progress so that it CREATES TENSION and DIVISION between people (women vs men, white vs minorities, gay vs straight, left vs right, etc) - Republicans use those extreme democratic social positions to RILE UP their (socially conservative) WORKING CLASS base AGAINST the left's ECONOMIC PROGRESS issues. IMPORTANT: The CULTURE WAR is a DISTRACTION from the CLASS WAR!!!

[@MikeKingJSM]

Cenk being the sane one on the panel is wild. Democrats have a lot to learn.

[@gigohelp]

@MikeKingJSM so WILD!!! Candace Owens would be PROUD! I am Proud of him for getting right! Takes GUTS!

[@nadiiiine89]

I don’t always agree with cenk but he’s absolutely right. Yes the economy is #1 but every mother in America thinks about the trans issues

[@cranknnutz]

I'm a father with a young daughter that's a swimmer. I'll never vote for someone that allows trans in girl's sports.

[@DrAwesome43]

In a way, that Trump trans ad was about the economy. It basically said that Democrats care about fringe issues that don't impact most viewers of the ad, but Trump cares about big issues that impact everyone, (like the economy).

[@charliecurilan4110]

So true. I don't agree with him most of the time but right now, he's spot on

[@OurHomeboyGoose]

@@nadiiiine89 this!!!!! And like others have also said, Trumps Trans ad was about the Econ

[@scandallassi]

Guys, PLEASE LISTEN, the ANSWER is SIMPLE: - Republicans (“Right”) & Democrats (“Left”) both serve BIG MONEY CAPITALIST INTERESTS - Democrats must PRETEND to be PROGRESSIVE / POPULIST - In order to bridge the gap between DONORS/OWNERS and VOTERS/WORKERS, Democrats promote progressive SOCIAL issues (e.g. women’s + lgbtq rights, critical race theory, immigration, etc) in order to create the ILLUSION OF PROGRESS, even though there is NO PROGRESS on ECONOMIC WORKING CLASS ISSUES - They INTENTIONALLY promote EXTREME POSITIONS in social progress so that it CREATES TENSION and DIVISION between people (women vs men, white vs minorities, gay vs straight, left vs right, etc) - Republicans use those extreme democratic social positions to RILE UP their (socially conservative) WORKING CLASS base AGAINST the left's ECONOMIC PROGRESS issues. IMPORTANT: The CULTURE WAR is a DISTRACTION from the CLASS WAR!!!

[@Jolts30]

I saw multiple popular progressive KZbinrs say f fairness in sports, trans people are more important than fairness. And TYT was called transphobic for pushing against it. Yes trans people in sports is not a major issue, then why fight on this losing issue so hard???

[@cobrakaier238]

I know it pisses me off, Cenk is absolutely right but they will attack him again.

[@juanjones6463]

Trump should passed a ban on Trans Athletes playing with women. He will never do it because they need it as an issue.

[@utkrishtr103]

​@@cobrakaier238 Vote Republican 🟥

[@zenster1097]

@@utkrishtr103 No. F off. I believe in climate change (you don't) and capitalism being an issue. Animal rights and other issues. I'm not voting for the right simply due to trans. People like you are pests. Go try to groom someone else.

[@PoochieCollins]

@@utkrishtr103 Republicans are worse on most issues, including being even MORE for tax cuts on the rich while cutting spending that benefits the lower and middle classes.

[@billyd6971]

Yep, the wedge issues is a big reason why the left lost. Cenk is 100% right!!!

[@scandallassi]

Guys, PLEASE LISTEN, the ANSWER is SIMPLE: - Republicans (“Right”) & Democrats (“Left”) both serve BIG MONEY CAPITALIST INTERESTS - Democrats must PRETEND to be PROGRESSIVE / POPULIST - In order to bridge the gap between DONORS/OWNERS and VOTERS/WORKERS, Democrats promote progressive SOCIAL issues (e.g. women’s + lgbtq rights, critical race theory, immigration, etc) in order to create the ILLUSION OF PROGRESS, even though there is NO PROGRESS on ECONOMIC WORKING CLASS ISSUES - They INTENTIONALLY promote EXTREME POSITIONS in social progress so that it CREATES TENSION and DIVISION between people (women vs men, white vs minorities, gay vs straight, left vs right, etc) - Republicans use those extreme democratic social positions to RILE UP their (socially conservative) WORKING CLASS base AGAINST the left's ECONOMIC PROGRESS issues. IMPORTANT: The CULTURE WAR is a DISTRACTION from the CLASS WAR!!!

[@tacitus6384]

That ad featuring Kamala advocating paying for sex change surgery for inmates and illegal immigrants was devastating. Internal Trump team polling suggested it moved the needle by as much as 2% in some states. They ran it so much cos it was brutality effective.

[@digiprez77]

I couldn't believe she said that without any consideration. 30 thousand dollar elective surgery for inmates is not a strong running point in any context. How obtuse can she be?

[@tradfluteman]

Jordan is falling over himself to rationalize the idea that Progressive shows have an obligation to support any position trans activists take. But that's a *leftist* idea. The Progressive idea is to balance the interests of advocacy groups with the interests of the wider society. It's not "anything goes".

[@tenfour7249]

On this Cenk is correct. What Republicans does best is show that for Democrats, the Social-Culture Left (which normal people view as elitist rich people / Hollywood issue) and the economic left (worker issues) are conflated. Possibly even that they favor the social left over economic left. Think aboit who is Socially Left but NOT economically Left - Hollywood and Woke Virtue Signaling Corparations plus Rich Liberals.

[@jaya1000]

Not exactly an honest ad

[@chrispellicci6587]

@tacitus6384 thank God, she's that stupid to support that cause..lol

[@ruggieromanente985]

Cenk is 1000% correct. All one need to do is talk to real people on the streets.

[@Da86suvivr]

Exactly!

[@CaBdosdos]

Though their opinions are important they are very uninformed lmao. Actual public school graduates.

[@jaybae5850]

​@@CaBdosdos You mean the ivy league graduates like Joy Reid and MSM? Let's go ask them.

[@ruggieromanente985]

@@CaBdosdos Remember that they vote.

[@scandallassi]

Guys, PLEASE LISTEN, the ANSWER is SIMPLE: - Republicans (“Right”) & Democrats (“Left”) both serve BIG MONEY CAPITALIST INTERESTS - Democrats must PRETEND to be PROGRESSIVE / POPULIST - In order to bridge the gap between DONORS/OWNERS and VOTERS/WORKERS, Democrats promote progressive SOCIAL issues (e.g. women’s + lgbtq rights, critical race theory, immigration, etc) in order to create the ILLUSION OF PROGRESS, even though there is NO PROGRESS on ECONOMIC WORKING CLASS ISSUES - They INTENTIONALLY promote EXTREME POSITIONS in social progress so that it CREATES TENSION and DIVISION between people (women vs men, white vs minorities, gay vs straight, left vs right, etc) - Republicans use those extreme democratic social positions to RILE UP their (socially conservative) WORKING CLASS base AGAINST the left's ECONOMIC PROGRESS issues. IMPORTANT: The CULTURE WAR is a DISTRACTION from the CLASS WAR!!!

[@petelosuaniu]

Guy on the right is wrong. Cenk is right.

[@TheLastEmperorXiXinPig]

These lunatics are even too left for Cenk 😂😂

[@pr-tj5by]

Agreed but I have to say one thing though, Cenk is a great Boss to work under because he promotes people disagreeing with him, that's a great quality!

[@eaglev4226]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Dems will never win again

[@DaveNoall]

@TheLastEmperorXiXinPig Cenk is wrong as always. Ask him why he lost his race for Congress. Over 11 millions people did not turn out to vote. Meanwhile, Trump got roughly the same number of deplorables who voted for him in 2020. Trump did not make any gain. Dems did not turn out. Voter suppression with threats of violence and bombs?

[@mitchlamping530]

@@pr-tj5byyeah I respect cenk for that reason with how animated he gets with Ben for his ridiculous positions on Gaza he still doesn’t fire him and lets him speak cuz cenk isn’t part of cancel culture

[@juanjones6463]

Trump should passed a ban on Trans Athletes playing with women. He will never do it because they need it as an issue.

[@daveisbrill]

Trans RIGHTS, are not a top 10 voter priority. However, Trans in girls changing rooms and female sports IS a top priority for most parents and female athletes.

[@buckeyeshredder6003]

Oh my god...

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

It's overwhelmingly straight guys doing it. Stop being stupid. This helps nobody.

[@daveisbrill]

​​@@pixeljauntvr7774straight? You refuse to affirm their identities as women? That's transphobic.

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

Not trans people, males. Laws that rewrite the definition of woman to mean “gender identity” leave the door open for any man to claim to be a woman and access female only spaces - change rooms, rape shelters, Korean spas, and even prisons. There are real life examples of this happening all over the world in places where gender identity is conflated with sex in legal protections.

[@cusz87]

Cenk was 100% correct.

[@MisterBrimm]

They dismantled Bernie's movement and they replaced it with "Hey I'm good friends with Dick Cheney and his daughter vote for me." Then they blame us for losing what is supposed to be their KEY CONSTITUENCY. I hate this reality.

[@nogrecords]

A BILLION PERCENT ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@skid-mark1863]

@@MisterBrimm I’ve always believed Bernie was too progressive to win over republicans which is why the democratic machine chose a moderate liberal

[@MisterBrimm]

@@skid-mark1863 We don't need to win over Republicans nor is it even possible. There are no moderate Republicans anymore. They are all extreme. Hence Their fealty to Trump.

[@zoom1714]

@@skid-mark1863not really. Bernie takes a lot from trump in fact. Also if you want the “moderate vote” there’s like 2 ppl total that you may gain by campaigning with Liz Cheney. There’s a reason her dad had a 13% approval rating when leaving office

[@litoo2002]

@@skid-mark1863The data is relatively clear: Bernie’s biggest voters were Latinos and young men and they were those who helped Trump win. They demonized the Bernie bros.

[@joshtheserious8633]

Cenk finds out how divorced from reality the leftists in his own house are. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡

[@j.goebbels2134]

But he never wants to own it himself. So fun to watch. The last thing any independent working-class dude, or any moderate suburban mother wants to associate with is a movement led by the foaming-at-the-mouth Cenks of the world.

[@Besdayz]

they've been this radical since Obama but it was covered up (during Obama) because he was a popular figure personally and because trump gave them something to run against in 2016-24. Also covid. These circumstances imo did a lot more bad than good for the democratic party long term because it gave them a false sense that america accepted their radical agenda. the wrong lessons were learned from their election wins in 2020.

[@scandallassi]

Guys, PLEASE LISTEN, the ANSWER is SIMPLE: - Republicans (“Right”) & Democrats (“Left”) both serve BIG MONEY CAPITALIST INTERESTS - Democrats must PRETEND to be PROGRESSIVE / POPULIST - In order to bridge the gap between DONORS/OWNERS and VOTERS/WORKERS, Democrats promote progressive SOCIAL issues (e.g. women’s + lgbtq rights, critical race theory, immigration, etc) in order to create the ILLUSION OF PROGRESS, even though there is NO PROGRESS on ECONOMIC WORKING CLASS ISSUES - They INTENTIONALLY promote EXTREME POSITIONS in social progress so that it CREATES TENSION and DIVISION between people (women vs men, white vs minorities, gay vs straight, left vs right, etc) - Republicans use those extreme democratic social positions to RILE UP their (socially conservative) WORKING CLASS base AGAINST the left's ECONOMIC PROGRESS issues. IMPORTANT: The CULTURE WAR is a DISTRACTION from the CLASS WAR!!!

[@PoochieCollins]

Not really. If you paid attention to their first trans rights poll citation asking generically about if they supported trans rights, it was 52% for to 31% against (rest no strong opinion). What they primarily argued about here were extra specific trans rights issues that majorities see as fringe, the total subtext being, "we the American people support trans rights, but not past these lines." With that said, the right is MUCH worse than the left on dumb opinions. E.g. Election denial, ultra low taxes on the rich, deifying a politician who talks like a grade schooler and has committed numerous crimes. It's why college educated voters (strongly correlates with higher intelligence) have moved further and further left, and why most of the developed world sides with Democrats.

[@j.goebbels2134]

@@PoochieCollins No one in America (no sane person anyway) wants dudes to beat up chicks for sport. Take your L and LEARN!

[@bigjack79]

If you don’t believe the trans issue didn’t affect the campaign, you are loss. The fact that she is on camera supporting something so wild, it shows that she is extreme. When she constantly flip flops, it shows she isn’t consistent and not trustworthy

[@krystalb4336]

Yessss!!!

[@OhNotThat]

It didn't. Nobody cares about trans, they cared about the economy and inflation.

[@dorino9057]

No, the Democrats and Kamala were not supporting trans surgery for inmates. This is just a random lie.

And the idea it's not an economic issue is silly; the position was about TAX DOLLARS being used for surgeries for undocumented immigrants wanting an S change. When people are working their asses off and paying taxes, knowing some amount of it is going to something so ridiculous would be off-putting.

[@OhNotThat]

Firstly, it's a lie. and secondly, yes prisons do provide free general healthcare to its inmates - and that healthcare is garbage. Not sure whether it's S changes but it seems like the same lie that Republicans were pushing about "free cosmetic surgeries" in prisons. Thirdly, how exactly are Democrats giving undocumented immigrants free surgeries in prisons? when they aren't even rounding them up and letting them walk freely about. You'd think NOT being in prison would stop people from getting prison surgery.

[@krishnaanand9673]

We stand with you Cenk! Don’t back down from your position! We need more unapologetic progressives who believe in common sense!

[@leratophoko1739]

Cenk is right

[@sitandpolitic]

Cenks right. Moderator was hella emotional. People didn’t vote on the trans issue , but the irrational view on the issue has turned off some moderates and mobilized stupid conservatives… Cenk was 100% right

[@scandallassi]

Guys, PLEASE LISTEN, the ANSWER is SIMPLE: - Republicans (“Right”) & Democrats (“Left”) both serve BIG MONEY CAPITALIST INTERESTS - Democrats must PRETEND to be PROGRESSIVE / POPULIST - In order to bridge the gap between DONORS/OWNERS and VOTERS/WORKERS, Democrats promote progressive SOCIAL issues (e.g. women’s + lgbtq rights, critical race theory, immigration, etc) in order to create the ILLUSION OF PROGRESS, even though there is NO PROGRESS on ECONOMIC WORKING CLASS ISSUES - They INTENTIONALLY promote EXTREME POSITIONS in social progress so that it CREATES TENSION and DIVISION between people (women vs men, white vs minorities, gay vs straight, left vs right, etc) - Republicans use those extreme democratic social positions to RILE UP their (socially conservative) WORKING CLASS base AGAINST the left's ECONOMIC PROGRESS issues. IMPORTANT: The CULTURE WAR is a DISTRACTION from the CLASS WAR!!!

[@Tonio2134]

Allez vous faire foutre les pokemons , les lgbt et les elfes. On en a marre de vous en Europe. Merci Trump!

[@clippedbycran]

Cenk is fed up with the mental gymnastics. lmfao 😂😂

[@Regenmacher175]

Cenk is fed up fightng for equality that's for sure. It's reprehensible but at least I don't have to defend his position so....

[@No_co_OK]

What mental gymnastics?

[@j.goebbels2134]

Shank is "fed up" with a bucket extra crispy.

[@BonnieBouvier]

Will get hate, but I literally switched over because of the trans issue. I'm a registered Democrat, but couldn't vote for people who left NO room for disagreement. That turned me away immediately. My theatre friends dumped me for questioning trans ideology even though I consider myself an "ally". So, what Cenk is saying is very real.

[@Jester1007santiago]

I’m a Trump supporter, and came here to laugh at TYT, but Cenk is making sense. He nailed it 100%. Respect where respect is due.

[@j.goebbels2134]

But he only point fingers at other democrats. Not willing to learn himself. He is just populistsplaining his own TDS crew. If Shank thinks his ten years of 24/7 spewing lies and hate speech against Trump didn't play a HUGE role in this MASSIVE loss Tuesday, he's as delusional as Biden thinking he could have out-performed Harris on the campaign trail.

[@Despondencymusic]

@@Jester1007santiago Welcome

[@jamescollins9178]

Guy on the right: "No one's going in there saying I'm mad about trans people so I'm voting for Trump". He could not be more wrong! I would guess a huge number of Trump votes were ONLY based on this issue.

[@Ozzy1984_]

Exactly. Even in the uk I know tons of normal women who vote based on the women's rights/trans rights issue above everything else.

[@p0pimp2004]

I doubt it. It's more likely they just weren't impressed by Kamala enough and the trans issue was just the cherry on top. The trans issue will be the one people quote to say why they didn't vote for her bc it's the most egregious thing they can think of. U telling me the trans issue is more important than electing a man of Trump's character and rap sheet? If a person tells u that they're being disingenuous. Trump said he will give the police immunity. That's way worse than the trans issue. It's like we live in an alternate universe right now

[@Daniel-bn2lm]

I've met several people who indeed voted for Trump because they were anti trans and believed he would end the war on Palestine. Just kind of shocked they were a Palestinian American but I just gave up any hope for those people.

[@p0pimp2004]

@Daniel-bn2lm you see they said he would end the war in Palestine? That means that they think trump is a strong leader and that Harris is being tied to the Biden admin on gaze. It's not merely bc of the trans comments

[@peacefuldays4255]

@@jamescollins9178 I'm a black female and I voted Trump for this very reason, and I don't even like Trump

[@jennifergilliatt3452]

I agree with you CENK. Those 2 need to be fired.

[@Preetvnd]

firing them is a bit extreme but yes I agree they are misunderstanding Cenk here. They are thinking Cenk is against "leftists".

[@charliecurilan4110]

I'M ALL FOR CENK HERE. VEHEMENTLY. The two other guys...they represent WHY we have a Trump problem for the SECOND EFFIN TIME!!!

[@scandallassi]

Guys, PLEASE LISTEN, the ANSWER is SIMPLE: - Republicans (“Right”) & Democrats (“Left”) both serve BIG MONEY CAPITALIST INTERESTS - Democrats must PRETEND to be PROGRESSIVE / POPULIST - In order to bridge the gap between DONORS/OWNERS and VOTERS/WORKERS, Democrats promote progressive SOCIAL issues (e.g. women’s + lgbtq rights, critical race theory, immigration, etc) in order to create the ILLUSION OF PROGRESS, even though there is NO PROGRESS on ECONOMIC WORKING CLASS ISSUES - They INTENTIONALLY promote EXTREME POSITIONS in social progress so that it CREATES TENSION and DIVISION between people (women vs men, white vs minorities, gay vs straight, left vs right, etc) - Republicans use those extreme democratic social positions to RILE UP their (socially conservative) WORKING CLASS base AGAINST the left's ECONOMIC PROGRESS issues. IMPORTANT: The CULTURE WAR is a DISTRACTION from the CLASS WAR!!!

[@falloutx1]

Cenk was right the other 2 sound dumb.

[@AcidBombYT]

no more DEI and we win. DEI is dumbest shit ive ever heard. Lets give ppl jobs who dont deserve them that always worked in history.

[@katieblackwater2233]

Cenk is interesting - the others present as morons

[@tacitus6384]

When Cenk is the voice of reason, you know you've gone off into pixie land.

[@thegodofcycle216]

26% of the American people believe that men should be allowed into womens sport? Yeah, I'm calling bollocks on that one.

[@DaveNoall-u3m]

This is fake news coming out of Russian troll farm. The boxer who beat up the other female boxer is indeed a female boxer. Right wing fake news outlets continue to spread Putin's propaganda and fake news and them so-called left wingers like Cenk continues to spread fake news.

[@AsifKhan-hf9zy]

must be trump voters. that level of stupidity is only manifest in one group in america.

[@thisisrob8750]

​@@DaveNoall-u3mno your wrong investigate further

[@LaSerpentDEden]

No they think women should be in women's sports. Trans women, cis women, all women. You don't understand language or biology.

[@Butter_kitty_297]

CENK IS SPEAKING SENSE!!!

[@techeepeach1197]

Trans women showing up in our bathrooms and change rooms and in our female sports and female spaces DOES affect EVERY woman in this country. It’s not just 2%. It’s not an edge issue. To voters it was huge! A very scary path that we were on before Trump being selected.

[@daveisbrill]

Every woman AND their daughters!

[@ladybirdlee3058]

Yeah these men do not get it. Biological men in women's spaces does concern a lot of people. There was a huge issue a couple of years ago where someone who said they were trans went into a spa and took off all of his clothes. The spa kicked out the women who complained and kept the man. Turned out the guy wasn't even trans but just used that rule to do that.

[@davidsiepel6774]

@@ladybirdlee3058 >Yeah these men do not get it well they are both homos, so degeneracy is normal for them

[@techeepeach1197]

@ ugh that’s terrible!! You’re right. That’s exactly why I voted Trump. I myself have been in a situation where a guy at work was transitioning and started using women’s bathrooms. Even that wasn’t fun!! I can’t imagine spa and naked male bodies in feminine spaces!! Feels more like a nightmare!!

[@TheOneandOnlyD-R-E]

Cenk is right. The other two sound ridiculous.

[@randomperzon123]

Poor Cenk sitting there realising that everybody he's surrounded by (except for Ana all of a sudden) is exactly the problem he's talking about. And then as he calls them out they immediately double down on insane takes without even a microsecond of self-reflection, completely ideologically driven cultist behavior. It sucks because Cenk was part of creating the problem, he's been an extreme leftist bullying any person who wasn't one for two decades now, it's just that now the monster he's creating is becoming too scary for even himself and he wants rid of it. And people who think trans issues are that small are just out of touch. People who fill in polls (even those anonymous ones) will anwer with ''economic reasons'' because there is a subversive shaming idea that's been deeply ingrained on these social topics, even if unfairly so. This + wanting to view themselves as intelligent rather than emotional voters makes people write down an ''intelligent, sensible'' reason for their voting. And the worst part is this insanity of pretending the trans issue isn't big because it might affect only 1% of people, that is a HUGE number of people. Do you have any idea how many swingvoters that is? Do you parents who watch their daughter get ran over by a trans athlete are EVER voting in favor of a party supporting those policies again?

[@pills388]

I agree totally. It was obvious that they were biting their tongues and holding back the “trans women are women” and “they belong in women’s sports, locker rooms and prisons”. I saw a poll that said that 75-80 % of people are against trans women in women’s sports. I feel that number is even higher because of the stigmatic fear of being screamed at, being called a nazi and a fascist by the far left.

[@JamesGallagher90]

Cenk is 100% right. As someone who wanted Trump, over Kamala, I'm surprised and impressed. And Cenk additionally has just shown us how insane this woke left is now.

[@petercollier9073]

Cenk is obviously clearly right. What the hell, you two others just can’t learn?

[@ItsAllCulturalMarxism]

The democratic party must abandon the far left and identity politics.

[@nerdygiant7805]

Yes, but not just that. They need to finally listen and address male issues. There's a race to eliminating alimony completely and whichever party does it first will be the prominent party. Hell, I'm flipping red if that happens myself.

[@TBrl8]

@@ItsAllCulturalMarxism do you even know what identity politics is? If you did, you may care to notice the GOP is a cult of identity of one man.

[@Neelinmact]

@@ItsAllCulturalMarxism they were least left in this election ,, in reality it was the right who won the election based on identity politics and hateful rhetoric ,, it was not about policy or economy it was about migrant fear and identity politics ,, and it was a lesson for democrats to not go for such lame centrist approach ,, I have heard so many left being disappointed by this centrist approach and go for more left ,, they lost badly when they tried this centrism ,, now perhaps they will counter the extreme right with extreme left ,, and I think they are correct

[@ItsAllCulturalMarxism]

@Neelinmact where do you get your news from?

[@Neelinmact]

@@ItsAllCulturalMarxism a lot of different sources and definitely not just from KZbin ,,

[@Acradus]

First time on TYT in YEARS. This jules guy is missing the point entirely and its BAD Cenk is 1000% right here

[@matthewpinson4208]

Yep

[@charliecurilan4110]

YES!!! 100% AGREE!

[@klprsd]

I'm an independant who voted conservative. let me tell you guys, the right played this election masterfully. they ran those trans ads hard during the MLB playoffs and football. they ran the ad with harris on the view on reg tv shows. my advice, get the fuck away from the identity politics. also, maybe chill with calling people racists and nazis at the drop of a hat.

[@sahmalibr]

Wait what is hard to understand? If trans rights is the least important topic for voters shoving trans issues in voters throats will inevitable repel voters from voting for that party. 100% agree with Cenk.

[@williamegan6756]

Trans women in sports was NOT a small issue. Over 50% of the electorate are women. The vast majority of them don’t want that and think it’s deeply unfair.

[@WangMingGe]

Pushing trans women in sports also doesn't appeal so much to Latino and Black voters who, on average, tend to be more religious and have more traditional beliefs about gender roles. Yet, these people are so wedded to their ideological narrative that they would rather appeal to a small percentage of activists, even when it costs them major voting blocs.

[@K590-k8p]

​@@WangMingGewell said

[@ladybirdlee3058]

​​@@WangMingGeoh please whites and asians don't agree with that either. The whole anti bud light issue last year against dylan Mulvaney was all white man driven. Black people still voted for kamala as the same rate as we voted for biden, every other ethnic group increased their votes for Trump.

[@scottweisz]

@@williamegan6756 That's how much they care about females. They want to allow men to compete in their sports and possibly hurt them. Isn't that cheating? What a bunch of dopes!

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

@@WangMingGesports scholarships are also a way a lot of economically disadvantaged girls access higher education. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why people in the middle income brackets also voted trump over kamal

[@haroldjoseph8296]

Cenk is 1000% correct.

[@daveisbrill]

I'm a dad. I just cannot see how most dads want men in their daughters changing rooms. Insisting that they must is going to lose you more votes than you gain.

[@mr.gamewatch7547]

Because they're p athetic and some of them are pervs themselves

[@Leo-Galaxy]

Why did you use the term "men" and not trans?

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

@@Leo-Galaxyyou can believe that the terms man and woman are tied to gender identity but most people still use sex as the material referent to categorize who is a man and who is a woman. People born male are men or boys. People born female are women or girls. We have many words used to describe the individuals of other species based on sex. There does and bucks. There are hens and cocks. There mares and stallions. You have to provide a logical argument for why this change in language should apply to humans. Have we somehow transcended our sexual dimorphism? Where is the evidence for gender identity? Why should that immaterial belief replace sex as the referent for the category of men and women?

[@eiyukabe]

I have been on the left my whole adult life. If you look for it, you will see me commenting on and supporting TYT. During Covid, I moved up to Canada for a job in video game development. One day, out of the blue, I was fired unceremoniously from that job (which, again, I MOVED TO ANOTHER COUNTRY FOR) for saying "trans women are men" on social media. Nothing hateful; a simple fact. Humans can't change sex. Now I hate the modern left more than I have ever hated anything. If you want to lose support, go after peoples' livelihoods for making true statements (even if it WASN'T true there was no need to fire me for it). The left as it exists will fall, and I will do whatever I can to ensure that happens.

[@Spacenoidx]

I relate to this more than you know and I wish you the best of luck

[@eiyukabe]

@@Spacenoidx Thank you so much.

[@ryandeffley7652]

When Cenk looks like the sane and rational one, you know the others on the panel are really out in lala land. 😂

[@blakryptonite1]

If you don't understand why Kamala lost, that means you're out of touch with the American public.

[@TearYouApart360]

Give up the Trans issue. It will never fly with the average American.

[@peacefuldays4255]

@@TearYouApart360 I've been saying it for two days. It is mindboggling to me that none of these idiots understand that this was jssue that did it. They allowed a group "T" within a group "LGBT" to cost us the election and affect ALL the groups!

[@UHLSU1982]

These guys talking to Cenk are bat shit crazy.

[@Joshthom321]

Cenk, you’re starting to make more sense. But be fair, a couple years ago you were sounding very far left. More good conversations like this and I may have to start watching you more.

[@anthonyshannon6744]

Supporting trans rights is different then saying a man is a woman. Or that men should play against women in sports. The winning argument is that everyone should have the same right to housing, a job without being discriminated against, and fair wages. It should stop at that.

[@BurtTurbo]

yes, and that Trans treatment and surgeries is a personal choice, but only allowed once a person is 18. People can't even get a tattoo until they're 18. This, to me, is a sensible compromise someone needs to run on.

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

Thank you! That is exactly how I have been arguing for trans rights. But too many people who claim to be leftist are willing to sacrifice protections for women and girls for the sake of “progress.” Dismantling safeguards for a protected class is not progress. And yeah, women are a protected political class, which too many have forgotten.

[@laurentbergeronmusic]

Here in canada, tourists do not have free healthcare. So I have no idea why this guy thinks illegal immigrants getting elective surgeries is an integral part of universal healthcare.

[@robertdanchusjr7755]

These 2 live in a bubble. The Democratic party is dead.

[@CptnJCFG]

Bro with the flower shirt should run the democratic party. 😂 Republican presidents for a generation lmao woke mind virus has his on chokehold

[@fullmetal010396]

I voted for trump, but I still love you Cenk. Don’t back down. You are correct

[@Chris-kc5id]

Cenk and Ana remind me why I used to consider myself liberal. This is the liberal the country needs. Not extreme, ridiculously left-wing histrionics. Get back to basics, please.

[@tomcross3000]

Who is the liberal the country needs? there were 2 people there..

[@trogers7]

Some folks would rather be “right” and lose. Then yield on some of their position and win. Cenk is right here, and his wisdom should be heeded, please.

[@conradovilaca9255]

Imagine a panel that Cenk is the sane one.

[@benwrigley6176]

I'm a Liberal, and the far left scare me.

[@ZippyTripped]

Boo!

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

Trans ideology is incompatible with leftist economic and class politics. It’s wild to see postmodernism destroy the party that used to be for the working class. They should have listened to Bernie and just focused on class issues.

[@nonenunya3469]

When Cenk is the voice or reason, you know the left is cooked LOL

[@ThatGuyZeb]

Cenk nailed it! That is exactly what is happening.

[@luckycatnip3667]

The majority of people absolutely do not think people born males should play in women's sports you keep lumping that in with everything else when it's a separate issue that most people don't agree with

[@iswish_41]

I’m Puerto Rican. I have lived in New Jersey (Somerset) since 2009 when I graduated college in Puerto Rico. I always considered myself a Democrat up until early 2021. I’m a family person. I couldn’t stand the woke BS, this obsession with indoctrinating children in public schools about LGBT stuff (I took my kids out of public school and sent them to a private school making big sacrifices), the normalization in Hollywood/Netflix of this topic in children shows. Calling me Latinx even though not one of us use that term. The elitism of the base. I mean, I could go on. The Democrats lost me for life. They lost my wife too. You either purge these people from the party or you’re done. You may win California, the pacific states and maybe the northeastern states but that’s it.

[@ShadeC-ff6si]

There is no indoctrinating kids in schools, you big weirdo. That’s a states issue and you notice trump didn’t mention it, because it’s not happening in 99% of the states. Enjoy your nutjobs.

[@johnnydeano2288]

Your comment is thoughtful & interesting. And you’re not “a big weirdo” - I’ve read a lot of troll bs, but I haven’t heard the “big weirdo” insult since 3rd grade. Covid/on-line schooling revealed some disturbing things about formal education at all levels and the elitism has doubled down since last week by telling voters they are too dumb to know the economy is fantastic & Kamala was “the most qualified candidate in decades.” This insular notion that everyone fits into a single identity bucket, lumped with people who share a single trait & therefore all think & vote alike is idiotic, yet pervasive in media & marketing. All Hispanics (or Latinxi) were supposed to vote Democratic because an insult comic made a stupid joke. I am curious if that joke made you angry with Trump or less inclined to vote for him? The Dems lost me when they fixed the 2016 nomination process & then tried to destroy Justice Kavanaugh & celebrated Michael Avenatti, Jussie Smolett & that authentic Hispanic Beto O’Rourke.

[@iswish_41]

I didn’t care much about the joke because I know who the comedian is and the type of comedy he does. He’s a roaster. However, in the island nobody knows who the guy is and the whole local media ran with it like crazy. As MSNBC, CNN, ABC, etc., did here in the US the local media in Puerto Rico ran the video of the joke out of context and people allegedly felt offended.

[@tysonvslewis12]

The guy that thinks that trans support for boys playing against woman DID NOT cost us the election is wrong!

[@techeepeach1197]

@@iswish_41 I’m with you too!! I was just absolutely revolted by how they were pushing gender ideology on the kids. I started really noticing it about the same time as you - 2021. And then dealing with stupid pronouns and being told at work I’m not supposed to use words like “hi guys”, as they’re offensive and the list goes on and on. Gender ideology nonsense was impacting all of us .. not just 1% of society .. they were so freaking annoying with the whole thing and had to have it in our faces all the time, that it was no longer just a fringe thing, it was seriously impacting ALL of us!! To make it worst, it also was impacting our free speech. No one could say anything against the whole freaking non-sense. If you did, you’d get into trouble at work and possibly lose your job, or maybe even get into trouble with the law. The 1% were imposing their world view on the rest of 99% of us. The whole thing was surreal and disgusting.

[@valentinoesposito3614]

I voted trump because of all the LGBT Trans bull shit

[@sccotmurphy8810]

Amen brother!

[@valentinoesposito3614]

@@sccotmurphy8810 and these idiots think its not the reason. YES it was! Not everyone is brain dead to the point where you don't know what gender is!

[@zenster1097]

Literally the Trump supporters watching are proving us right as the biggest (or one of the biggest reasons for voting). Yet these idiots are telling us "no trans doesn't matter to most Americans." Crazy.

[@bird4816]

I'm gay but the trans stuff makes me hate the whole lgbt+ label

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

@@zenster1097I didn’t vote for trump, but this issue did make me seriously reconsider voting for Kamala. I think a lot of women like me (radical feminists, gender critical) either stayed home or voted for someone else on the top of the ballot. Explains why abortion protections passed in many conservative states but Kamala didn’t win.

[@zachhenry8537]

Many black and latino men were very off put by the trans issues

[@Factory132z]

According to msnbc, "Let's be honest Latino men and black men are too misogynistic"

[@lisamareepritchard6375]

I agree with Cenk 100%

[@themandalorian9009]

Watching Democrats not learn from this is going to be hilarious, there's so many far left people running the party its going to be a disaster.

[@ForeverSolid-mw6jt]

It’s actually a huge issue especially for men who voted on the other side by a wide margin.

[@erikmiller6724]

I’m sympathetic for Cenk. Poor dude trying to explain to a couple of town idiots how they got ‘Willie Browned’. The right will be in control for a long long time as long as dudes are boxing women in the Olympics.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

I've been saying the same thing, I'm a former liberal who left the left in 2020 because of these issues. At this point, I want the right to be in control for a long time because that's our only hope of avoiding complete collapse. This country is very ill right now, sanity needs to make a comeback.

[@jaya1000]

That didnt happen! There were no trans athletes in the 2024 Olympics

[@jaya1000]

​@@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHeadyou were never a "liberal" I assure you.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

@@jaya1000 cool, I'm done trying to defend myself against this false accusation. Keep believing that, I encourage you, I wanna see you continue to lose...

[@jaya1000]

@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead of course you do. Youre not a liberal.

[@daveisbrill]

Is it really a trans right to be given surgeries in prison on the tax payer??

[@MaqAttaq1]

I rarely agree with cenk - until now

[@livefreeNH603]

Cenk!! Holy smokes. This is what we have been saying!!!!! TYT is back!!!!!!!

[@misters7413]

You need to get regular "bros" on this show Cenk. Enough of this hipster BS. One dude says "I didn't even see the trans ad that much." Yea because this guy must not watch sports. It ran almost every ad break in every Football game I watched this year so far. Every game I would get several texts from bros being like "wtf" was that about? And I would have to explain to them. They aren't anti trans people at all, but it just makes the Dems look like out of touch weirdos. These kids can't say that, because their hipster friends would ostracize them.

[@Dalvecc]

🎯

[@geekhippie7309]

Here is a reason why most people do not want trans men in woman's sports: Parents spend money, time, and make sacrifices to support their child playing sports. The talented ones especially so. So, when a trans man beats every other person in the field, there is, absolutely, resentment. Parents don't want that to happen to their child.

[@rockafelladw]

Even Cenk can't understand these radicals.

[@ashtonlenz1301]

Cenk is right. How do you not see this.

[@mycatsaliberal3848]

He is exactly right about the border and sports. I can’t tell you how many people I work with that voted for Trump and would mention these two things as a big reason

[@SmilingDesperado]

The thing with Trans issues isn't really just about trans issues. I think what REALLY turns people off is the underlying thinking of how you got to your position. If you are a person that thinks there is no difference between a biologically born male and female, regardless of what the reasons are, then how can your opinion on ANYTHING matter? If you can't get something so basic right, then most people are just going to write off everything you say. It goes the other way as well. If I hear a guy like Tucker Carlson talk about fighting actual demons, then why would I take ANYTHING he said seriously? THis is more about how your thought process works in general.

[@GalaxyVoid0]

Identity Politics sometimes goes far far off the handle.

[@ianscott2442]

Cenk is correct here.

[@uaQt]

I completely disagree here. If you're advocating for medicare for all, what's the line where it's disallowed? Do undocumented immigrants in prison not get medicare? Or is it just when they're in prison? is it just because of the trans issue? You can't bake an issue like this into it's own issue. It's part of medicare for all. You need to make a line instead of deciding on "we're against transgender immigrant surgerys!".

[@SCA440]

I agree with Cenk - and I am a Trump populist - Trans issues kill electability for Dems. It is a losing topic.

[@steveyi2859]

Dudes what the frak are you talking about? Its not a question of rights. Its a question of priorities. Look at LA attorney general election

[@Wayne-tu6dz]

The problem is that "trans rights" are never actually specified by those advocating for them. It's always implied that they're the same rights everyone else has but when you actually dig down into the matter they're clearly not. Trans rights in essence revolve around compelling others to affirm and validate someone's professed faith based belief in an alleged identity. To give deference and respect to that identity. To have others treat that person in almost every respect as something they objectively are not. Such a thing has never been a "right". Freedom of religion gives you the right to believe in what you want. It doesn't however give you the right to force others to respect and validate that belief.

[@skid-mark1863]

THANK YOU! well said

[@mrddcass6540]

Well said. And I think most people in society will respect their gender choice but paying for their surgery is too far.

[@LaSerpentDEden]

"they want more rights" no we literally just want bodily autonomy and antiharrassment laws to apply to everyone equally. You think lawyers should be able to decide people's medical options and that constantly criminally undermining someone's identity (ie: your boss calling you names you aren't, misgendering you, etc) should be protected. Just like it is for all other protected classes. This applies to both cis and trans people. Cis people should be able to have their name changes respected. Cis people should be able to access gender affirming therapies like hairplugs for men should they want. You bigots just want to remove trans access to them

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

@@mrddcass6540and dismantling safeguarding for women and kids from men is too. Self identification to enter female change rooms, the female section in a Korean spa, and transfers to female prisons is not popular with common sense people. We know predatory men will take advantage of that kind of policy. The Wi spa incident in California is a clear example. The man who claimed to be a woman ended having an arrest record for sexual misconduct.

[@Koroar]

Cenk has been nailing it on all of these videos and it's such a breath of fresh air. Flower shirt completely embarrassed himself. No, medicare for all should NOT include the transitions of criminals, what a ridiculous hill to die on.

[@craigchippindale3177]

Yeah, "flower shirt" seems like a nice guy but he's nuts about dying on those hills.

[@danileremeev6048]

Jordan has great takes, this one he's a bit out of touch because he understands waaaaay more nuance about the issue than 99% of the population but he's oblivious to that exact fact, while cenk has the finger exactly on the pulse

[@luisalbertonin]

Cenk is 1000% I know many Latinos who were mad about this who voted for Trump. it wasn't the no. 1 issue, but it added...

[@No_co_OK]

Mad about what?

[@michaelghgg]

@@No_co_OKthe trans Stuff

[@jesusbarrera6916]

​@@No_co_OKfocusing on "trans" illegal immigrants instead of focusing on them It's a double whammy on allienating voters

[@starborn-]

Cenk is right here

[@Chiranjeev1980]

I love it....leftist will never learn...Cenk you are banging your head against a wall.....

[@briangabriel9210]

Cenk is 100% right and if we don’t figure this out we can count on more Ls in the future.

[@Theyesman-gp9nc]

This is. Exactly what. The man. Was. Saying. In CNN. The radically left has taken. Over. Our. Part. These 2 dudes. Are. The example

[@Boris80b]

lol

[@peanutbutter_oats]

I didn't vote for Kamala and I've voted for Democrats my whole adult life up until this. It was because Dems' support for men in women's sports etc. So yes, at least a single person did change their vote because of this issue.

[@denischiaravalle1793]

After Cenk and Ana this show falls off a cliff. These activist they have hired don't get it

[@an-gw8nx]

Even Charlamagne tha god said after seeing that transgender add during the football really got to him and he knew it would put the majority off, and he is Harris is biggest supporter, Cenk is right here.

[@JJNOX]

That is not true, 900 medals were stolen from women Athletes in the last two years, so it is a big deal if you have sister or mother Athlete, it is a big deal

[@pr-tj5by]

Exactly!

[@jonhill4070]

Plus, it just goes against common sense. There's a reason why society decided years ago that men and women should be separated when it comes to sports. I learned as an 8 year old that there are physical differences between the sexes. As a child, I could see it for myself.

[@joeywharton5662]

As a former Bernie supporter - the reason was because he didn't take corporate money. The Harris campaign was the EPITOME of corporate money.

[@AndreBaker-l6g]

Trans people can vote. They can work at jobs. Yet this issue has been sucking up the oxygen across national politics for 10 years. I'm over it. I want to go back to not having to worry/think about trans movement like the 90s. They're less than 1% of the pop.

[@jawant6039]

You is sounds real transphobic.

[@vincebeastdiala6704]

@@jawant6039 boo hoo the world doesnt revolve around u go cry me a river. I AM TRANSPHOBIC LOOOL

[@Saint.Holy.Sinner]

@@jawant6039 😂why are they upset? jaw

[@ValRhapsody]

@@jawant6039No it’s not transphobic! We need to focus on issues that affect everyone like wages, workers rights, environment, healthcare, education, safety. You know the issues that Democrats championed since FDR? LGBTQ is a niche issue and divides people

[@vegetablemother8909]

@@jawant6039 accusations of transphobia like this are a huge part of the problem. If a person makes a simple statement that doesn’t fully align with another groups ideals they are automatically labeled as transphobic, racist, anti-Semitic, etc. Eventually, when the hateful rhetoric really picks up you’ll sound like you’re crying wolf and no one is going to listen. I’m sorry, but that’s just the sad truth. I lean left and have been shut down by the far left too many times and I will no longer support this behavior. Please reevaluate who may really be the problem in this situation.

[@all-americanbulldogfarm2110]

Everyone I know who used to vote Democrat said they voted for Trump because of the Trans issues….

[@JamesVanCleaf]

And everyone I heard cited the economy and being sick of the establishment status quo

[@sccotmurphy8810]

Yup

[@juanjones6463]

I’m from Mexican community in California. Trans issue was huge. So many tios and Primos repeating right wing Propaganda

[@xrex13]

Wow Jordan is the most frustrating person. Guy's got some comprehension issues.

[@verRioti64902]

i'm sick and tired of the view that Harris had too little time to let the country know her. when the most popular pod-caster Joe Rogan invites her to his show with open arms, She turned it down. if someone then blames the advisers for not pushing her to the show, then what does that makes of Harris, a cardboard cutout, no more no less.

[@forrof8185]

And she didn't attend the Al Smith dinner but sent in a video. I watched the televised dinner and I could tell it was suicide she didn't do it. They said it was her campaign adviser that told her not to go because it would offend prochoice voters. It was just dinner and a show. Her advisor did her dirty

[@morrow777-z9e]

That guy is wrong. They most definitely don’t wanna deal with these lunatics fringe issues. It definitely matters.

[@gearreasemarcus]

Lol Cenk these idiots don't get it lol. Obama and Bernie get it. I was an Obama dem and a Bernie Dem. I'm an independent now. Cenk and Anna are one of the few sane ppl left. Cenk please go independent, this is a joke

[@JBugz777]

It's Queen Latifa's fault, she was late in her endorsment

[@Veteran1stMemeWarOf2015]

Cenk is right. Paying for sexual change for illegal or legal immigrants or citizens or anyone, is a loosing issue. Trump could have not won without people supporting things like this

[@MichaelMaha-n2n]

That’s the shit that cost them the election. The wokies should start the Woke Party USA and leave the Dems if the Dems want to survive.

[@Akdon67]

Cenk has become a lot more rational recently compared to a few years ago

[@ShadeC-ff6si]

Him and Ana are trying to make themselves less embarrassing policy-wise to be able to talk to other podcasts across the spectrum without embarrassment.

[@Owen_loves_Butters]

Wow. Everyone on this panel was crazy in different ways. TYT, how did you become such a trainwreck?

[@enemysub9057]

They have always been a trainwreck

[@1000Demons]

They're yelling over one another expecting everyone to listen. If two trains drive at top speed towards one another, and nobody's letting the other have the right of way, then there will be, as you rightly put it, a trainwreck. Every guest who comes on should have proof/sources of what they're saying to back things up, or at least an indicator of where it came from, or there's just going to be people yelling over one another and nothing gets proven to anyone, and it just becomes a $h!tshow. Cenk thinks his statistics are correct? Put them up. His guests think they're correct? They should have a time to show their sources, too, or there will be more trainwrecks.

[@actor4lyfe]

Cenk is right!!!