U.S. House Just Passed The TikTok Ban

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[@abbywoodhead2764]

i do hate how they can just lump 7 very different things to the same bill. also hate how they can just name a bill what ever. like the "kids online safety act" and it has nothing to do with kids online safety.

[@randomrobin7773]

Welcome to American politics

[@256Justinian]

Kleptocracy. JFK and Eisenhower warned us.

[@imaforceanature7297]

Blame repubs. This is the only way to pass anything when they control house

[@POVgames]

Like the “violence against women act” which literally just took constitutional rights away from every man in the country without evidence nor due process.

[@Nadaters]

this is nothing new. they could easily separate each issue into one bill but they won't because political games

[@BillyLemonZest]

If you try to talk to Senators about kernel level access, they'll wonder how KFC could be a security vulnerability.

[@gowankommando]

Or corn 🌽🌽🌽

[@CanadaFlo]

😂😂😂

[@apache9162]

That is simply not true and I guarantee you have not watched Jack shit with them talking.

[@mewre2062]

@@gowankommando weve all seen children of the corn.

[@numanumame]

@@apache9162 yeah, he's definitely being totally serious about it.

[@bullmoosevelt4495]

US Government: No one spies on our citizens EXCEPT ME!

[@roxaskinghearts]

well spying isnt our only concern counting Americans have been growingly acting like man children taking things to far

[@mrg3neraltuxedos]

every government does that its kinda necessary and important, spies are the ones that find terrorist, extremists and other dangerous groups that serve as a threat

[@_iconick_]

One important thing to note about the $95 billion in foreign aid, is that the money is being sent as 'aid', and not cash. We are spending $95 billion with private companies like Lockhead Martin to send over militar equipment. So not only are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars (total over the conflict not just this time), but the money is being syphoned through american corporations that donate and support politicians and other members of the government. In a way, they are lining their own pockets with tax payer money and calling it aid.

[@StochasticUniverse]

That's an inevitable consequence of having a privatized, for-profit defense industry. It's exactly the same in the healthcare industry: Social Security pays for old folk's healthcare with taxpayer money, but companies are also turning a handsome profit from it. 100% of those companies' profit margins on those transactions are coming from taxpayer money that's just being siphoned off to pad the price of a stock for shareholders. The sad thing is that the core argument for a privatized system, that it spurs innovation, is demonstrably breaking down. In some domains, US military tech is superb, but in others, it lags behind. Our jet fighters are the best in the world and our missile defenses are vasly superior to any other country's, but the counterpoint to that is that Russia and China have both developed hypersonic missiles to circumvent our defenses. Meanwhile, we do not have working hypersonic missiles, ourselves (although you could argue that we have less need for them, since the main use of hypersonics is to get around defenses, and they dont' have very good defenses -- in essence, our incentive structure in terms of what to research is different from our adversaries'). Still, it is concerning that we don't have this tech when others do, especially givern how much more we're paying for defense.

[@mattmaas5790]

This is literally smart and good though for America. America #1!!!! 🇺🇸

[@calmnow9474]

Idk what your idea is Of course it's going to be military technology they will be sending What would be the point of sending cash to a location where there is no manufacturing happening If only talking about some profit being made then its possible that true however sending cash is still useless in the situation

[@swiftbear]

And yet our border is wide open with no aid or solution in sight, you just cant make this stuff up. No one is this incompetent, its all by design.

[@meir231]

Can't the US make their own version of tik tok?

[@radthepaisley]

The fact that they can base the bill around a single matter, and then consolidate 6 or 7 completely seperate things into it should be criminal

[@charbladex]

example "omg republicans voted against the border bill!" "the border bill" being hundreds of billions of $$ to other countries and less than 17% of it addresses our own border example "omg all republicans want to completely ban and destroy social security" "all republicans" being 2 people who work for the dems and immediately got shot down by the hundred other republicans example "omg the don't say gay bill" "dont say gay" except gay wasn't in the bill a single time, let alone telling people not to say it

[@bdute7890]

They don't care about kernel access. They don't like people being able to communicate freely.

[@scaramouche7759]

But some politicians are criminals to start with.

[@ChosenInterval]

They've been doing this for many many years...

[@bentoomet8805]

That’s literally every single piece of legislation that’s been passed in the last 40 years. Legislation is negotiation, if the Dem’s want something than they need to give the Rep’s something and vice versa. This isn’t new bud.

[@SliceyMcHackHack]

The US Gov "This app is spying on us and only we can do that"

[@metallboy25]

Exactly. They have full access to the other platforms through their agencies. Except tiktok.

[@TheYahmez]

The way the world works is like a Mexican standoff, except everyone's loosing track of whose pointing what at who. Don't really want anyone getting _too_ nervous now, do we? Ever watch that Freddiew video w/ key & peele?

[@xxamyyyox]

Its an attack on young people who are anti war and protesting. Its like taking candy away from a child. Their mistake is ever thinking that tik tok is the reason the young people are against their bs and systems in the first place. Tik tok only echoed things but its not ‘the reason’ our governments have been exposed with loyalty to a foreign country. There is no going back now.

[@teddypicker8799]

Exactly it's called the patriot act

[@teddypicker8799]

It's the reason we don't have constant terror attacks

[@InterstellarTaco]

I dont like the idea of the CCP getting access to peoples personal info. Especially considering i work for the DOD. But i also dont like the idea of the US government getting access to everybodys personal info, which whether they admit it or not, they do.

[@vntajones]

They can hack our power grid through ticktock

[@ottodash2688]

@@vntajonesgood iq test tho😂 sadly none answered

[@Gorlami90]

We the people love the patriot act…

[@user-fz7nv3qj5q]

Is there a possibility? What are the sources of your knowledge that your government wants you to know? This is also called "brainwashing" Welcome to China, escape from the information prison and see the real world!

[@nauxsi]

Snowden already exposed all of them.

[@First_Chapter]

The legislation covering TikTok is wider than just that one firm; there is a list of foreign adversaries cited and conditions that apply generally for the rules to apply.

[@jaeusa160]

It's all rooted in nebulous definitions that are never specific. It's the kind of media power grab actual dictators and tyrants do because they're scared when they see 98-99% of people on Tiktok are speaking up loudly against their big donors in the middle east.

[@pensive8552]

Consider for a moment that they could increase privacy rights instead. They don't do that because they WANT that power.

[@generalpluto369]

Hell, I can talk about something with a friend and suddenly I start getting ads for it, privacy is a myth nowadays, no google home, just a phone and my pc

[@saidomiv3465]

​@@themostbestwizard The tiktok ban was addressed long before the current Israel hamas conflict. You're genuinely talking out of your ass

[@PsyDei]

@@themostbestwizard No, it's about banning an app that's winning the app war and the money is going to another country that is not the USA. Just like when Huawei was winning the smartphone war and they banned it. It's a free market, as long as the USA is winning on it.

[@Fr00stee]

​@@themostbestwizardyeah this has nothing to do with israel, its entirely about the ccp harvesting american data. The US gov doesn't like other countries having access to it, they want to be the only ones who can harvest it.

[@kofuku1660]

​@@themostbestwizardfor what I've seen, it's more because one side wants the power to shut down their opposition more freely and the other side wants a win over the chinese boogeyman, none of them actually want anything good for their people and it's painfully obvious

[@TheStarBazaar]

This is the game. Lump in as much as you can so when your opposition votes against one thing, you can say they voted against something else and make them look terrible

[@shanegale6143]

Banning tiktok has had bi-partisan support for years

[@gottagofastest]

@@shanegale6143 He's talking about Israel/Palestine being part of this you bot

[@RS-fy9hb]

@@shanegale6143 And this. Exactly this. This is the reason why people fall for it. It's been a vector of attack for as long as I can remember. Just mischaracterise what the political opponent you don't like is voting against in some bill, and your entire voter base will just simply agree, and click on every rage bait article that comes out about it. It's like saying that if republicans vote against a bill, because it contains the ability for a person to have an abortion a day before the due date, but then that same bill also has a name like foods for hungry kids in school, and then just accuse republicans of wanting to starve children. This goes both ways, it has since forever, but since I don't follow US news anymore, this was the example that came to mind.

[@shanegale6143]

​@@gottagofastest I am aware. What difference would that even make if it already has bipartisan support LOL and im the bot?

[@gottagofastest]

@@shanegale6143 Because it's political ammo derived from an unrelated issue? You're asking for an explanation that's just what StarBazaar already said.

[@itim777]

“And why aren’t you?” hit him hard

[@EvanEdrok]

“Presses space bar immediately”

[@slaaneshgod]

the fact that they can package so many unrelated things and then you either pass or deny them all is criminal to me.

[@Marshal_Dunnik]

0:09 Because that's how the US Congress works (or, doesn't). A bill proposing X is stuffed with A, B, C, D, E, F, G. Members wanting X passed are told they will only get support if G is included, G being a gold-plated merry-go-round in their district, or what have you.

[@DivineTech]

This. It’s called a rider. Sometimes a rider will be included to tank the main bill, or it can be used to get things like OP is talking about.

[@chrisv9866]

That's also why you get all the dumb shit with people saying X politician didn't vote for Y bill that would've reduced income tax but Y bill also put thumbtacks in burgers

[@UltLuigi1]

@@DivineTech I recall a Simpsons bit where there's a unanimous bill to save Springfield from an impending meteor, and a senator attaches a Rider for the bill to include Pervert Rights. Bill immediately goes defeated. It's so easy to attach things that don't matter to a bill just for the sake of furthering agenda.

[@xxamyyyox]

Its an attack on young people who are anti war and protesting. Its like taking candy away from a child. Their mistake is ever thinking that tik tok is the reason the young people are against their bs and systems in the first place. Tik tok only echoed things but its not ‘the reason’ our governments have been exposed with loyalty to a foreign country. There is no going back now.

[@whytho1690]

Pork barrel bills. Gotta love the swampland.

[@kimacakes]

Time for the new-age hip vine remake: TokTik

[@whiteknight1414]

Guess we’ll have to go back to KitKat

[@ultimateshaggy679]

Did you watch Ordinary Things's video because I recognize that name

[@crit4636]

Toxic XD

[@MasudaOfKorriban]

Thank God I hate tiktok like Angry Joe hates microtransactions.

[@keithpierce5686]

Never again put TikTok and vine in the same sentence. One made the bed the other slept in it and stole out of the fridge.

[@yukvv]

Politicians acting like the phones they're fiddling with in the background aren't made in China lol

[@FlareGunDebate]

Normal Guy: *voices normal opinion* Internet: "NORMAL GUY IS PROBLEMATIC RIGHT WING EXTREMIST!"

[@brianhutchins6100]

A drink , lawnmower , and a flesh light ... sounds like a Saterday

[@mewre2062]

walk into a bar...

[@Ninija96]

Sounds like monopoly event at mcdonalds XD

[@GokuIRL]

Bro didn't even spell Saturday right 😂

[@jody-bm5ff]

Just keeps me from having to make extra stops tbh

[@eldfen2334]

Satyrday

[@GodDragonLich]

It’s honestly depressing that it took this “ban” for so many people to find out about “bill stuffing”.

[@Temperans]

What I find depressing is how quickly people forget, than a few years later: "look they are stuffing bills"

[@bendover503]

It's honestly surprising for as smart as Asmongold is, he doesn't understand how the US political system works. Without saying too much, 2 words explain this situation, compromise and time. Not enough time to vote on every small little thing, and the political system is designed in a way that encourages compromise. With 2 parties so against each other, it's better we do something than nothing at all, or one thing that's SUPER radical. It keeps us grounded. But Asmongold seems to be too sure of himself and the right answer to recognize this. People that think they know everything always get radicalized and it never ends well. Why that doesn't happen to Asmongold is because he's forced to not let it happen by being an entertainer. His viewership would definitely go down. But he'd be sucked down into the mud so fast if that weren't the case.

[@StochasticUniverse]

It's honestly depressing that it took this long to pass the ban at all, since Congress had been talking about it during the pandemic, 4 years ago. How many secrets has China datamined during the past 4 years? Stupid.

[@zninebiggs4911]

@@bendover503 you’re brainwashed in their spiral. But that’s alright, it’s nice to see other POV’s, even if they just agree with the nonsense.

[@RedHaloManiac95]

@@bendover503”not enough time” yet they don’t do anything the majority of the time. You’re making excuses for bill stuffing. If it really was about “time” then they wouldn’t be slandering anyone who opposes the bill for the extra shit they put in there. Just like the border bill which gave

[@TheSayk]

Afaik the bill to ban tic tok is really specific regarding which apps can be banned. One thing that limits it very significantly is that the country of origin of the app has to be categorized as a "hostile" country or some like that, it's a very specific term which only limits the reach of the bill to apps from Russia, China, Iran or North Korea there might be a few more, but i think it's only those 4. Iirc there are also some other things to limit the application of the bill, but idr what they were, i only remember that i had made a mental note that there are also other specification to limit the application of the bill.

[@jaeusa160]

It is the complete opposite of specific and will be used to shut down many "misinformation" sources, ie people who the US Govt cannot compel to lie on their behalf.

[@XyphonXero]

"It can't be controlled." Correction: "It cannot be _government_ controlled."

[@McDLT999999999999999]

The implication is that the government already controls the rest of the social media apps

[@SmutLord]

It is controlled just by China!

[@TheKomotoz]

The CCP is the governing force in China, all business operates under the CCP. unitary communist state right.

[@Feljo]

Correction: "It cannot be controlled by OUR government"

[@junsol2473]

Correction: "It cannot be controlled by OUR government, but it can be/is controlled by one of our biggest potential threats"

[@doncheto4825]

"kernel? like the popcorn?" - some dinosaur in the government

[@bhe8336]

We had better regulate the butter content of each and every kernel so that Americans don't continually bid up the cost of Prescription meds.

[@gregorymorse8423]

Nah they are experts on thst topic. They use CornHub.

[@nathanielalderson9111]

I saw Congress interrogating the TikTok CEO. The Congressmen do not understand how technology/websites works.

[@safeontalk]

Feel like he should look up the number disparity between the amount of Americans that use Tiktok and the amount that play league of legends lol. My last family event everyone didnt have their phone out playing League of legends mobile haha (Anyone curious its 10 times more using tiktok and its every demographic, not just males age 14-35)

[@FIRElee]

Bro oh my God that's what I'm saying. What's tencent going to benefit from watching people play league of Legends all day? I'm not saying it's not a bad thing Riot is owned by a Chinese company, but Tiktok literally gains more information on an international scale as a social media platform. I think it would be a good idea to start looking at other major Chinese owned apps such as Temu and so on after tiktok is either banned or sold to a US owner.

[@Psivox69]

The foreign aid bill and the TikTok ban bill were connected in a way that basically said “hey we’ll give the foreign aid. Ur side wants if you give the ban my side wants” that’s why

[@BrendelMank]

KZbin will be 100x worse without TikTok because no competition means they can scam us legally 😂

[@rizhanghan9783]

@@BrendelMank Proof????

[@aluralovell6829]

​@@BrendelMank You act like they don't already 😂

[@jimdoe3288]

Pegasus the Israeli military spyware is built into tiktok. The Chinese government can spy on anyone of they want to anytime.

[@PuncturedCapsule]

Two half’s make a whole right?

[@RandoCDN87]

Welcome to Piggybacking. Where somethings get lumped into a bill that has nothing to do with said bill.

[@mattmaas5790]

Tiktok ban has a lot to do with national security and China like Taiwan does

[@TheTundraTerror]

Omnibus.

[@b.t4604]

Ever heard of pro-palestine on tiktok? it has everything to do with that bill, people on tik-tok despise genocide.

[@annierekshun]

​@@b.t4604 Yes surely without tiktok no one would hear about Palestine, better ban Twitter too and EVERY news network if that's what they're going for 😂

[@Cafe3ke1234]

LOL -- it's actually about them not being able to control the narrative on TikTok. Whereas with Facebook, IG, and Twitter (pre-elon) they could make a phone call and have anyone with any influence censored that opposed them in any way. Starting to see the picture clearer?

[@BrantleyIAQ]

As a small content creator in USA, TikTok has exponentially grown my business and given my family and my employees a better life. The money we make as a company also goes into taxes and into circulation for the country. If TikTok goes away, it’s going to hurt an enormous amount of American-owned small businesses.

[@lolforlife2487]

If tik tok does get banned there will definitely be a replacement

[@tailgunnermedia1771]

They have bundled things forever, it's a play to boost the potential for it to pass.

[@BarbatosTheGreat115]

"think of the kids" has always been the cry of tyrants wanting to strip you of your rights

[@V01DIORE]

This isn't about "the kids" this is about forcing the app to divest from Chinese ownership used to tune the algorithm for disinformation, the fact they tried to create pressure on US voters using the app against this process is itself evidence of it's hostile influence.

[@hail_2_u321]

they do think of the kids... when they are on Epstein island. LOL

[@Schismatise]

to be fair there was a lot of "think of the elderly" a little while back so they are working to balance it out =p

[@ItalianMetalHED]

They definitely do think of the kids when they allow the cartels to operate within our borders!

[@Cameron-ls3qt]

This isn't about the kids 😂😂😂

[@snackerrr]

They’re worried about the apps inside the phones and where it’s coming from. Mate the entire phone was made over there.

[@ceocommunications1248]

Wrong. Apple is American and Samsung is South Korean. They control HOW your phone device is made.

[@StochasticUniverse]

@@ceocommunications1248 Well, especially Samsung. Koreans, like Japanese, do most of their core manufacturing in-country. It's only Americans that have been obsessed with giving away their entire manufacturing base to China over the past 40 years. Other countries have not been on the same program, heh. iPhones are made in China but most phones sold in America are not iPhones. Android OS's have larger market share among active devices than Apple.

[@mattmaas5790]

They're actually worried about the combination of data and control over what content Americans watch. Nothing about the league kernel affects what content we watch.

[@tommy9565]

@@mattmaas5790 They don’t really care about data. It’s just anti-China policy.

[@michaelderenne9838]

​​@@ceocommunications1248wow are you kidding. Look it up most Apple phones are made in China. The others are made in India and Vietnam

[@Mike-pb7jm]

The same people opposing the tiktok ban were supportive of the 8 chan ban. What are you guna do.

[@emi-ber]

I have a theory that the Executive branch fears China will try to take over Taiwan. This might seem unrelated but think about what is happening in China the US and Taiwan in the past months.

[@nitsujx1]

pretty sure it also included a pay raise for themselves again as well. They should just put "America go f yourself" right into the bill as this point.

[@John.Doe.272]

This comment made me laugh. You know they did.

[@drzoidberg71]

they don't need pay increases. Their pay is a pittance. The real pay is the lobbyists.

[@Nikolai12]

​@drzoidberg71 they'll do anything for that AIPAC money

[@deathproof8732]

If I ran for office that's what I would use as my slogan.

[@vinfogzollnor6805]

Already included in those arm sales

[@drakeorion87]

"Banning Tik Tok will solve all our problems" - US Government

[@markh4545454]

Banning tik tok but the military still paying $50000 for a single ball bearing

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

You want China spyware on your phone?

[@smokeyislove469]

tiktok shows a lot of uncensored news so I can see why congress wants to get rid of it. however Russia's disinformation campaign is so effective people dont even know its happening 🤣

[@wyattgeorge9696]

I think Tik Tok is part of the reason why we're degenerating. Social media overall ruined society starting around 2012

[@sktwhisp2137]

yes it will, it's just for brainrot content

[@kostiantyn8724]

It's interesting that this is being presented as one bill containing foreign aid and a Tik Tok ban. From what I read on the news, it was specifically separated into 4, with each one being voted for separately in the House. There wa a prior combined foreign aid bill from the Senate (plus the border security stuff), which Mike Johnson rejected some months ago due to made up reasons. Then he finally proposed 4 separate ones, which were voted for on Saturday, right? The Tiktok one is separate, the Ukraine aid one is separate, as well as the Israel and Taiwan aid bills? Or did I misunderstand something..?

[@desmien679]

From what I understand regarding the bill and I'm not sure if it's changed since I first read it but it also not only bans TikTok but can also be used towards other social media and games controlled by China which I personally feel is needed. Not many people read it but if you read the privacy policy of the games you'd be amazed. Netease for example will not only give user details and passwords but other sensitive information such as geoloacation to other players in some privacy policies

[@luzarrow1]

they package everything together because thats the only way they can agree on anything and pass something

[@piersyfy4148]

Basically this

[@sterlingarcher2366]

Wrong. They pretended there was a concession. The reality is there is one side.

[@NostraDavid2]

American government voting on packages of random-ass issues thrown together is fucking wild to me. Sure, voting on those separately takes more time, but this is just a wild west of voting.

[@rwberger6]

There have been multiple attempts to limit how much crap you can stuff into a single bill but they never get enough support in congress to pass because they like having essentially unlimited power.

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

They're not "Thrown together" They do it on purpose, all of it is part of a plan. Not random.

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

@@rwberger6 It's not "They" They don't read the bills, their "Assistants" do. They control everything.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

It SHOULDN’T be wild to you. This type of bill packaging has happened for years and years. People just find it confusing because it involves something they’re paying attention to/care about.

[@zfsbsdxky-om8ez]

Its called bipartisan cooperation and its a good thing. I give you this thing and you give me that thing. The reason its all in the same bill is that it doesn’t create a situation where you promise one thing and then the second bill never comes to a vote.

[@BDepastine]

While I agree with the negative effects of social media do need to be addressed and discussed and solved. Giving the government “patriot act” level of power to shut down any site they deem as bad isn’t how we address this particular issue.

[@placeholdernameamistupid]

I love how ever since this bill was passed I've been getting ONLY TikTok ads. That's not even hyperbole I literally haven't been getting anything else.

[@bd010590]

There’s more to it, there’s a lot online that you can find. But, there’s a classified side to this the public just won’t see, which congress gets to see.

[@Uberwenis]

The thing with the government tacking on completely unrelated bullshit to bills and such, is that that's the only way they can keep getting what their side wants done. They also use it the other way - attaching stuff nobody wants to a bill the other side wants, so the other side has to say "well that's not what we wanted at all", then the bill doesn't pass, and the initial side says "See! The other side doesn't actually care about [thing] because the bill didn't pass!" It's all bullshit. The whole system needs replacing at once since there's so much corruption.

[@AroWolfArts]

As a european, every time I am reminded of this system I feel like I'm loosing brain cells in real time. Who ever thought this would be a good way to pass laws?

[@sten260]

The whole point is to only pass laws that both democrats and republicans want, if it's a law that only democrats want then it should not pass. So we don't get some dictator situation where only one group of people make laws for everybody. But they use this workaround to get around it and still implement the laws even tho 50% of population are against it

[@Uberwenis]

@@AroWolfArts I mean, that's not the *intended* way to pass anything. It's just what happens when you have some combination of politicians who will push for dumb things for profit for their friends/business partners/etc, ideas that are dumb but look good to their voter base, or they just want to make their political rivals look bad. Also allowing lobbying to be a thing certainly didn't help society over time.

[@blitzcraig1001]

@@AroWolfArts The founding fathers thought that future generations of our political leaders would love this country as much as they did, they were wrong. Everyone has an agenda and what's best for the US isn't part of it.

[@praisethesun6573]

It's all about control. They can't immediately force their way into gaming but oh we know they're trying.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

What do you mean? They already have passed laws around gaming, starting with the ESRB. I hate to say this or even put it out there, but if it’s a controversial situation/piece of media to their constituents and both primary parties agree, they could even straight up ban GTA 6 in this country. Jack Thompson and Hilary Clinton tried after the GTA: SA controversy. I’m not saying they will or they are doing this, I’m saying that they absolutely could.

[@fmkaka24]

@@TitaniumTurbine Not a bad idea either.

[@joshuamcdonald3205]

​@StopThinkingSmoothie Nerd

[@TheVisualDigitalArts]

Gaming brings people from other cultures together you can’t start wars when people from different countries are playing helldivers 2 together

[@404person9]

TRUEEE

[@GothicMetal669]

This bill was never about security, it's about drawing attention away from the real action. It's political slight of hand.

[@solidspikes123]

Facts

[@Proxy-0]

I remember when everyone would laugh "hah, this big website is banned in China, they're a dictatorship, so that's to be expected"

[@captainvanisher988]

"Muh TikTok steals our data". Really? So what about Meta and Google selling our data to whoever pays most?

[@themostbestwizard]

It's not about privacy; it's about the fact that Israel was getting destroyed on Tik Tok just like they are getting destroyed on Twitter. Facebook and Google on the other hand, censor on behalf of the Israel lobby so they are OK by the politicians whom they fund.

[@DanaOtken]

Key difference relevant to the people doing this: Meta and Google always, always consider the United States government a preferred customer. While most U.S. intelligence agencies are forbidden by charter to spy on citizens within the country's borders, they're absolutely allowed to buy all the spying they like from businesses that would be doing that anyway.

[@Firewynn_TV]

Well the Senate bill actually is citing that its bad for Childrens Health and that just limiting age groups on social media isn't possible due to irresponsible parents (not word for work calling them that, but it is basically said) so the Government is basically babying bad parents doing this.

[@TheKomotoz]

us. uk and china are the top clients to buy this "stolen data"... is it even illegal? we all agreed to it in the terms of agreement .

[@CertifiedLemonMan]

Those are not Chinese companies. They are not the same.

[@cleve21ful]

The bill is cleverly combined with the most important foreign issue that the US government wants to pass (Aid bill to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan) and the app they've always wanted to ban but failed in the past because they couldn't prove any evidence of a national security threat.

[@YHDM]

It IS a national security threat, but instead of increasing the privacy rights of the citizens (which would actually benefit everyone) they decided to screw the people, as usual with the government.

[@NeoBeelzemon]

How is that? Billions of bucks from ADs slips their pockets - clearly national security threat.

[@StochasticUniverse]

It's well proven. It's not even controversial. The TikTok app is malware. It require root-level access to every system on your phone, even ones that it doesn't rationally need. There's no reason for that unless it's because TikTok wants to have the ability to weaponize its platform in a pinch.

[@thexan7234]

But like they did tho....

[@brandonjablasone7544]

@@thexan7234no they did not that why they snuck it in there

[@Nugginz1988]

They aren't going to worry about kernel level access.. Half of them think anyone younger than them is dumber than them but can't tell you the difference between a browser and the internet

[@Srcazm]

Did you know that in the t’s and c’s of tiktok, it allows the app the ACCESS ANY OTHER device on the same network and read all of the information on those devices and send all that information back to CCP. So if you have the app on your phone and you connect to say the schools wifi, your mates wifi or your home wifi. The app then has access to the data and information on every other phone, tablet and computer on that network even if those other devices don’t have tiktok on them. This is why the app should be banned from every western country. Stop being idiots and defending this app just because you are addicted to it.

[@pensive8552]

This is not good. Increasing censorship, and in turn the ability to strongarm companies and control what can be said. Supporting this is short term thinking, and a long term lost. Consider for a moment that they could increase privacy rights instead, but they don't want that because they WANT to violate your privacy - it's just that they want to control that power disproportionately for them. So they want to keep the power and ban other people from having it, rather than fixing the issue.

[@Gainersy]

It's not censorship, ban is completely unrelated to content on the platform. And they are increasing privacy rights, by not allowing a company that can easily be compelled by the CCP to completely violate your privacy rights with no recourse whatsoever to operate a business that collects a lot of private information.

[@Nikolai12]

​@@Gainersyok Ari

[@Marceldropdead]

Banning a foreign influence weapon disguised as fun social media app from a dictatorship that tries do destabilize the west wherever it can is not cencorship

[@dragonninja3655]

The Chinese government actively wants you dead, you know that right? Facebook and the rest just want to sell you stuff, which is still bad, but nowhere near the same level. Why would you want an enemy country who is trying to get people depressed and suicidal free reign like that? Tiktok isn't allowed in China itself because the government thinks it is too damaging. And this bill doesn't even ban tiktok, they can just sell it to someone more trustworthy who will let us look at the coding and algorithms and tiktok can stay around.

[@spacejunk2186]

China goes hands-on when it comes to foreign companies trying to operate there. You have to have a Chinese partner that does your business in China, and you basically wave your intellectual property claims. There is no way an American company can enter the Chinese market and make the Chinese "enjoy" American culture and content. In comparison, the US is made of glass. Everyone can come in and take over markets by methods that would be illegal for US companies or for the government to do. In the US, the government can't just give Tesla all the money and let them ignore laws so they can build eclectic cars under market value. In China, they can.

[@hampdog5716]

A drink, Lawnmower and a Fleshlight. Now THAT is a transaction I can get behind lol

[@Vod_MacDuff]

He said " President Obiden" 😂 not supposed to say that part out loud. Obama's third term isn't going well.

[@jaeusa160]

Maybe they'll vote for Big Mike Obama next time.

[@josephwimerYoYoYo]

When your supersize combo comes with a spy decoder ring....

[@kylefanning486]

One thing to note about how the logic to ban TikTok could be used to ban Facebook, etc. - China does ban all American social media platforms for this exact reason. Then, primarily using IP theft, they recreate a version of those apps for their citizens to use.

[@user-gf1zd7hm1e]

安卓系统，苹果系统，微软系统，这三个系统占据中国的手机和电脑

[@sailingadventurer]

If Facebook followed Chinese constitutional laws it would have done business there. Tiktok followed American constitutional laws to do business there. Banning tiktok is like playing right into China's trap. It justifies their censorship laws

[@HenritheHorse]

Nah, the only reason they passed this bill is to get tiktok sold to american owner, so CIA, FBI etc. can censor it. Facebook and Google are already in conspiracy with them.

[@somewhatblankpaper1423]

I recalled that China banned those way ealier (around mid 2000s), and accusing China of IP theft is a great deal, and one should provide the official documents that prove it if one claims so; there's a difference between reverse-engineering and stealing. You reasoning doesn't apply is that: 1. US has always been proclaiming itself as a bastion of free speech, democracy, etc. 2. China has mentioned that the media is government-controlled in the early 2000s which is not something new, and everyone should've acknowledged it. 3. There seems to be lack of official and well-documented evidence that CCP steals the tech, and from a legal standpoint, it's unreasonable to believe that China has done so. Therefore, it's not reasonable for US to ban Tik Tok as it's essentially against free speech unless there's official and well-documented researches and evidence that shows Tik Tok has violated US' national security; it's reasonable for China to filter its media as it has clearly stated, a long time ago, that its media is government-controlled, and there hasn't been any change.

[@VoFALT]

those apps are already banned

[@StupidAnon-gn8ih]

It's not a Tik Tok ban, it's a ByteDance ban. That said, it _is_ a problem that they put so many other things in this bill that _shouldn't_ be law.

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

It's even in the video, but everyone just paid attention to the headlines.

[@Chopzi11a]

Question is: what are you going to do about it? Seriously everyone likes to bitch, nobody wants to do anything.

[@MarkDeSade100]

And what happens if ByteDance refuses to sell because they don't want Americans telling them what to do? Then it will be a TikTok ban.

[@voltus20]

​@@MarkDeSade100 then an american company will make a 1:1 copy of tik tok, and call it tiki taki, just like every oher country does whenever social media is banned in their country.

[@MarkDeSade100]

@@voltus20 Isn't that just YT Shorts?

[@timmyjimmy3647]

It's so beautiful watching someone with no idea what they're talking about, learning about major geopolitical issues like the first time that they matter, and the first time that they're happening is today. You have a foreign government actively tracking some crazy high percentage of us, phones and citizens and our government tries to take action against it and these fools are like "How's that legal?" Like what is actually the point of government if they can't step in and prevent us from being taken advantage of by foreign powers LOL. Yes, the argument that most of those things could be true about Facebook etc is also true, but that doesn't mean you don't take action against tick tock. That means you take action against the biggest offender first, make an example out of them, and then other companies have the choice to either change their practices or face the same repercussions. This is how things get done. What aboutism is not a solution, it's an impediment to progress.

[@alvaroluffy1]

i didnt know about this thing with the packages there on america, but i gotta tell you, im not surprised at this point... i dont even know how i didnt expect it sooner from USA xD

[@felixavenier9659]

The fact that each issue isnt voted on separately is an atrocity.

[@1_amIcy]

If they are voted on individually, none would pass. This is because you need enough from both parties for something to pass. Packaging these topics into a single bill is a method to have both parties conceded to get what they both want at that time.

[@Nikolai12]

​@1_amIcy nothing ever passes anyway except for bills that help Israel or some other foreign nation we're supporting at the time

[@felixavenier9659]

@@1_amIcy If they can't pass then that is an issue with the reps not doing their jobs. Bundling them up just to pass them isn't the solution. Voting in better reps is.

[@StochasticUniverse]

I'm completely fine with it.

[@brandonjablasone7544]

@@StochasticUniverse I pray you get to education

[@bops6653]

I don't like to comment on videos but this is one time I feel like I need to. For years the military has banned service members from using tiktok, one such instance I saw where two bomber pilots were disciplined for using the app in cockpits of their planes. That's because any information about our weapons capabilities (the hud, other cockpit data) doesnt need to be known by china. I agree that it's troublesome for Free Speech and it seems a bit dangerous, but also China is utilizing the massive amounts of stolen US and other countries' data for their AIs. If AIs are weaponized in the future that gives them a dangerous advantage over the US, and no matter your opinion of US government it's preferable to China being in control of anybody. Free speech is also not a wild west anarchy of saying anything without restriction. From my understanding of this entire situation is it's the equivalent of asking if telling an enemy nation your country's troop locations during war time is free speech. Electronic warfare is real and China having access to more of our data is not acceptable. We can have apps and digital services that don't sell or collect all your data, if tiktok was an innocent short video platform this would be outrageous, but that's not how it operates. Blessings and peace.

[@zackang4731]

Your comment make sense. BUT, the deeper problem (ignoring shallow problems like jobs enabled by TikTok and what-not) is that the govt took action against a specific target entity, for reasons which are rather arbitrary. If China is dangerous, then the bill should be "All software used in the US do not have major shareholder ownership by any Chinese company."

[@GhostLyricist]

Tiktok is literally Chinese spyware. Armchair warriors with brain rot are calling out the US intel like they don't know what they're doing.

[@XyphonXero]

They call themselves the "One Sun" for a reason. They believe they are all and everything. NO ONE ELSE MATTERS TO THEM. Wtf are we doing business of ANY kind with such a nation!?!?

[@Nylon_riot]

You make good points. As a lifelong free speech defender, there are limits, like regarding national security. But this app has been running this way for years. They have already collected all the data they could use.This is like taking birth control at 7 months pregnant. The issue I have is that slippery slope isn't a fallacy woth the.. The same Boomers spent 20 years trying to censor the music industry. The Patriot Act was sold as "we are just going to listen in on a couple of people in the middle rast." Now half of Americans are on facial recognition, and they wrote a slew of laws permanently re-enforcing the PA around it. I am not a fan of tiktok. Along with the degeneracy, it is one big ad platform. But what they do is create a moral panic so people get on board with it. In the 80s, they ran a psyop with the Satanic panic. Then they tried to censor music for 20 years over "public decency. " It was brutal. And all the parents bought into it. Of course, the music wasn't. What it was is antiwar, anti-establishment during the Cold War. And now we are in Cold War 2.0. It's the same tactic and the same people. The 80s zparenntal Music Rights Committee was headed by Al Gore and Republicans.

[@skorpicora7939]

Cringe

[@shogunmunkey877]

If you think a tiktok ban being in a bill with these other unrelated things, you should look into what's in most bills. Completely unrelated stuff that is just snuck in

[@headwrinkle9896]

The big issue is the testimony giving by TikTok and its affiliates during the oversight committees. While respectful and professional they expertly avoided answering the vast majority of questions and flat out refused to answer in yes or no that the CCP did not have members in its affiliates. Also, under Chinese law if the government requests sensitive information they are legally required to provide it despite any existing agreements. This even applies to non-disclosure agreements, medical records, and attorney client privileges. On top of that when Swalwell was caught with the Chinese spie it opened up the floodgates

[@mohamaddelkhah]

"We're banning TikTok because it's owned by a foreign power." Every other country glaring at Google, Meta, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Twitter, Valve, etc etc.

[@VoFALT]

All the countries that would ban those apps for being connected to the US have already done that. This talking point is completely toothless.

[@mohamaddelkhah]

@@VoFALT Looks like you neither get a joke, nor have any idea what is (or isn't to be more precise) banned in other countries.

[@VoFALT]

@@mohamaddelkhah You weren't joking. The countries that would ban these apps for being connected to the US have already banned those apps. You're full of bs.

[@apokkalyps6]

​@@VoFALTmohammad is a foreign agent, dont mind him

[@handaxia1251]

Not a fan of Tiktok. As of July 2022, all new U.S. user data is stored automatically in Oracle's U.S. Cloud infrastructure, and access is managed exclusively by the TikTok US Data Security team. Would Google, Meta, Apple, etc put the data of their users on their respective country? US users data is already on US soil, US security team has access to it, so it is not entirely on the hand of foreign power.

[@Wismic]

"its like a chinese spy baloon in your phone" old ass crypt walkers running this country

[@apokkalyps6]

They have security briefings with highly qualified experts, who tell them X, Y and Z is bad. Then they can choose to believe it and go to debate it in the senate and try to explain with their own words why X, Y and Z is a security threat, or be conspiranoic and don't believe those briefings. What you ask for is a tecnocratic government, which also doesn't guarantee that people who actually know how stuff works dont take advantage of it for personal benefit

[@Wismic]

@@apokkalyps6 people that were born during the same era the television was invented shouldn't be making decisions for an entire Country full stop.

[@blairsy77]

Young "progressive" nuts would be just as bad. Actually they would be worse.

[@WildHeart32]

Your Grandparents would approve you know the people how made everything possible for you

[@StochasticUniverse]

Calling them old doesn't make them wrong, just so you know. :P

[@Skrooby13]

US Tax dollars are blowing up US Tax Dollars as we send more US Tax Dollars to the countries already receiving aid and is currently being blown up by US Tax Dollars. All the while the American literacy rate decreases while unemployment increases. Business is boomin' in the white house.

[@scarykirby4763]

i wonder why it's called a ban and not a deletion or a shutdown to permanently thanos snap TikTok from existence

[@bruhverlybruh4012]

Any bill they pass has extra shit in it. Cuz that shit would never pass otherworldly and they can blame the other party for refusing the main bill contents over the pet projects they shove into it. Like they'll make a bill for disabled people and shove a million dollars for studying candy wrappers in there. Then blame the other party for refusing a bill for the disabled when they dont like the candy wrapper money.

[@mattmaas5790]

There's nothing extra in this one though. These policies have had a huge amount of time for discussion and debate and both sides agree on this.

[@stunningandbrave3527]

it also allows government to ban websites they deem "misinformation"

[@V01DIORE]

You think the Chinese government don't want to spread disinformation using the app? You think they don't?

[@StochasticUniverse]

Not domestic sites. Domestic sites are protected by free speech and free assembly rights and they are legally untouchable. FOREIGN sites have no intrinsic rite to access the US market, though. They only have a conditional privilege to access the US if you play by American rules, same as if you wanted to do business in South Korea, for example. South Korea has a very unique law that forces ISPs to heavily pay for the bandwidth that their users consume and it's very expensive. It's the reason why Twitch just recently completely pulled the plug on operations in South Korea -- nobody based in South Korea can stream on Twitch anymore because that was Twitch's only recourse. They could not comply with the ridiculous government regulation so they simply left the country. Oh, well! There are 199+ other countries in the world that they can do business in. They'll be fine if they lose one.

[@jaeusa160]

@@StochasticUniverse They used a lot of vague words like "associated with affiliates". So even something domestic can be "linked" to an "affiliate" that's foreign. Honestly, are you actually so blindly naive as to think these people aren't going to lie and exploit? Additionally, the 1st Amendment may not apply to foreign entities but it DOES apply to US Citizens and our right to freely LOOK at things we wish to. That right of OURS is being infringed upon by this government overreach, and has nothing to do with who or what that media's source is. Think of it as the equivalent of burning books for being printed overseas, if that overplayed analogy gets it through your naivety.

[@BOBBIOFTT]

There are a few problems with this bill. 1. There is no common sense to why just tictok. If this is successful it opens the door to banning any other social media that is not expressly owned and operated within the US. 2. Why are we sending more money overseas? Think about how much things cost already and our elected officials are just printing another $100 billion to further devalue our money making things cost more money.

[@Poizin77]

I'm just used to things I like going away without my control so I just accepted the fact they're gonna delete tiktok and probably capcut with it because they're both owned by bytedance

[@lloyd9819]

When you focus on mopping up the water instead of fixing the broken pipe.

[@URMyNewTV]

on mopping the water for 10 minutes a day while spending the rest of your time in the new sports car you granted yourself because a pipe broke.

[@vxxiii4160]

Good analogy

[@crillianmarvin6256]

This is common now. Hide things in bills so they get passed. It doesnt mean the tiktok ban wouldnt stand on its own. It could have been a move to give money to ukraine for example. The democrates did the same thing with hawaii when it had its fires. They included aid in ukraine war money and when it was voted negative they labeled it as republicans not wanting to aid americans.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

Oh please, this has happened for years, don’t pretend this is some new thing. Both parties do this, especially when there’s a divided Congress and it comes down to negotiation. Every time someone says that kinda garbage, it reminds me how little people know about their own country.

[@crillianmarvin6256]

@TitaniumTurbine when did I say it wasn't both parties kid? When did I say it has happened for a while? I am referring to the present which meansnthe current makeup matters. I am not referring to prior administrations but the current one as this video is related to current administrations.

[@blackstream2572]

Not just hide things in bills so they get passed, but also put things in bills they know won't get passed, either because the bill itself was never gonna get passed or because the addon forces the bill to get voted down. So they can play politics later of course.

[@Warfoki]

It's not really about "hiding", it's more like negotiating. "Oh, you want that bill passed... okay, we vote it to pass, but in exchange you have to vote this other thing to pass or no deal" and since the two sides trust each other as far as they can throw each other, the solution is to put all the bills that they negotiated like that into one single package, to make sure that it's voted on at the same side, and as such the other side cannot go back on their word, once the stuff they wanted, passed.

[@holy8782]

@@crillianmarvin6256 Eh, current or past. It applies to all and it's probably a good idea to state it so people who are die hard fans of their party won't try to scream only one side is guilty of shit like this.

[@Mahkloompah]

ÈAC also has kernel level access to your PC..most anti-cheats do at this point.

[@heavymetallabrat]

While accurate, the point he is making is that its a double standard to ban one but ignore the other if your reason is to protect users from data theft.

[@StochasticUniverse]

@@heavymetallabrat It's a question of trust. Most software game companies can reasonably be given the benefit of the doubt because there's no real reason to think that they would have any incentive or desire to steal people's data. The CCP cannot be given the same benefit of the doubt. :P They have every incentive to want to steal your data and they are straight-up evil, so there's EVERY reason to think they would happily steal everything they could possibly get their hands on. It's oh-so-hip to dunk on game companies, but at the end of the day, they are fundamentally trustworthy entities. A hostile foreign government is not. Now, Riot is Chinese so they are not exempt, but other companies' anti-cheats, as long as they are not Chinese, would be.

[@KeelanJon]

Everyone else "...", America "Communist! Communist! Communist!"

[@SKizzleAXE]

Damn now how else am I supposed to get internet herpes? 😂😂

[@HarvestMoonHowl]

It'll just spread to KZbin en masse as soon as the ban is implemented, dude. Herpes for everyone! Lol... (God, that sounds awful.)

[@thedroidnationshow]

Okay government, now do Facebook, Instagram, any Google products. Hell, even the Feds.

[@metallboy25]

They have full access to any data they want from these platforms. They didnt have access to TikTok. Thats why they are doing this.

[@ItalianMetalHED]

Well that won’t happen because they have control over them, they collaborate with them to spy on us and send agents to question people on posts that criticize this administration lol

[@Nimbhotep]

Its already done by the chinese government

[@mistermood4164]

@@metallboy25 they do, all American users data is stored in Texas.

[@Fxrrxt2x]

The thing is, at least those are American.

[@n1lknarf]

13:25 given the fact that all they showed was business, I think the problem can be solved by adding a mandatory subscription to post in the app so only businesses would post, and consumers wouldn't. That would also kill the app without engaging in freedom of speech; it would turn the app into an infomercial exclusive app, and no one would use it anymore.

[@vincesiy1403]

The fact they had to hide it under a different bill shows how deep inside they know the bill is wrong.

[@wobbles86]

$95 billion? That's 1,055,554 bags of brushes!

[@jewishwaffle3527]

Alright wobbles

[@GreasyManPants]

Im on the edge about this. I dont use tic tok or particularly care about it. But what stops the government from banning anything else they deem "problematic" from other countries. Censorship and any variation of it drives me up a wall.

[@nathanh2725]

Slow power creep towards a banana rebuplic

[@greig9794]

do you know why and what caused democrats to agree with rep on Tiktok? Tiktok forced pushed notification and told their users to spam calling their officies to stop the ban right before the previous senate meeting started. Tiktok did it themselves.

[@FercPolo]

Not caring about WHAT is being censored is fine, but not caring that it IS censored is a big scary no, no. You cannot allow Censorship. It is NEVER used by the good guys. It's the biggest tell there is.

[@GreasyManPants]

@greig9794 that's all well and good, but it still sets a very concerning precedent. Especially if it just came down to "they trolled us, so we forced them to sell or get out of the country"

[@TheTerraFighter]

todays politics are based on women logic, thats why they just sell u it as normal to treat u like a kid, sad but true^^

[@thaneesquire5038]

The problem with bills is that they put things that they want to force the other side to agree to it or lose what they want. Like the immigration bill, which had an attached clause that the U.S. would give money to Ukraine and that’s part of the reason why the immigration bill didn’t pass

[@RomanAbstinent161]

It's funny how you don't understand things outside of US and sometimes even outside your house.

[@FocusEroc]

Can throw around 90 billion aid packages like it's nothing but can't provide basic health care to its own citizens

[@ronnie5329]

90 billion is nothing. Healthcare is 4.5 trillion USD

[@Nimbhotep]

Good luck with that. You can throw 90 Trillions towards healthcare and it's going to suck the same. Because only profit matters

[@minyahb6363]

The fast food order analogy was priceless

[@piotrswat169]

shhhhhh the 51st state is listening

[@mattfowler3760]

Not really, he clearly doesn’t know politics. Riders are and have been a logical method used in passing legislation when both sides struggle to have a middle ground. This guy is just talking and reading articles…he isn’t bringing anything intellectual to the conversation.

[@mattmaas5790]

Not really. Tiktok ban is about China and national security, like the Taiwan portion of the bill.

[@NoName-qd6vp]

As was Asmon thinking Bytedance is a Singaporean company. Absolutely clueless guy passing himself off as an authority. And his followers all just gobble it up.

[@mattmaas5790]

@@NoName-qd6vp it's really sinister

[@marcus_cole_2]

Ah, the almighty paperclip, the unsung hero of bureaucracy, holding together everything from lousy bills to supposedly great ones. Just stick an important bill on your desk, slap a paperclip on it, and sneak your own agenda underneath. No one notices, right? Honestly, paperclips should be banned. One bill, one item, no sneaky attachments. And let's not forget how the Simpsons enlightened us about the inner workings of government. Remember Lisa Simpson's letter? It's like a real-life episode, where every important bill comes with a mountain of paperclips and a slew of ridiculous amendments. It's like they predicted it all. Oh, the glory of the mighty paperclip!

[@GhostlyGhost333]

So if TikTok gets banned, what’s that mean for mobile games like Honkai Star Rail or Genshin Impact? Or for upcoming games like Wuthering Waves or Azur Promelia?

[@zroku123]

I think the bigger problem is that these people like to add a lot of stuff into these bills and make a major conflict as the highlight such as ticktock in order to hide their alterior motives

[@mattmaas5790]

There is no ulterior motive here. Nothing is being hidden and 4 great bipartisan policies got passed while time is of the essence.

[@zroku123]

@@mattmaas5790 maybe, maybe not. I have not seen the bill in full but I know the media never tells you the full story. I'd like to see the full unedited bill in it's entirety and read it myself before choosing any kinda side

[@imaforceanature7297]

6:30 the reporter basically said it was already getting banned in 6 months. This bill wasn’t even the ban and simply extends it to a 9 month grace period. So this whole thing was already set in stone and this is dogshit reporting?

[@RealSunnySpade]

I’m not going to disagree with your general arguments but I will say the main difference with the majority of websites/services and TikTok is that TikTok stores information in a unique way (as well as the type of information that it is storing is unique) and it’s stored in a different way. And then it’s turned around and used in a different way. There’s also the issue of the idea that currently the government is not as temperamentally against overbearing American corporations as they are foreign powers meddling.

[@ender1570_]

Why the fuck did KZbin make the skip ads button only skip 1 ad now

[@Hikabusha]

This will give the government the power to ban applications; not good at all.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

First, Congress has always had that power. Second, they should ban Adobe for their outrageous subscription (SaaS) practices and not having a perpetual license available. It’s anti-consumer and pro-greed. Companies need to be taken to task.

[@CertifiedLemonMan]

No it doesn't. It gives them the power to retaliate against foreign actors that are threatening the security of our society. Not everything is a bloody slippery slope. With that logic, we should just let the Chinese and Russians do whatever they want.

[@ZacharySmith-mq7qh]

The government has always had the power to ban applications... which is why they are using their power to ban an application as we speak. lol

[@RDV333]

Governments already had that power, they only do it to companies that don't play ball, like the chinese state's premier social media platform.

[@MaphistosChosen]

Say goodbye to VPNs.

[@2bannedaccountscountingblo99]

It's so wild to see regular people talking like us, "Conspiracy Theorists" did 6 years ago. Lol I love it, but damn it took people a long ass time to wake up.

[@Chillantro]

I hate to say that I’m one of the people who would’ve called you crazy, but reading more books, doing a lot of research and talking to real people has shown me so much in the past 2 years

[@V01DIORE]

You want to know dystopia? China read 1984 like an instruction manual, this app an extension targeting our population with disinformation as an influence operation. It's no conspiracy it's statistically so and a damn shame too it's taken this long to deal with.

[@11Survivor]

Just as easily could prove that more people are going crazy

[@domerame5913]

Yea, took a long time for CCP and Russian perception management to be this successful

[@johnmcternan4157]

​@@domerame5913the west is going into a 30 year dark age, can't you see it?

[@DiamondOrPoor78]

As much as I hate TikTok, the precedent that this would set would be awful, this effectively means that, if this is allowed by the Supreme Court, the federal government is allowed to censor speech and media in peace times, which is not good at all.

[@NeoBeelzemon]

Mastercard and Visa implements censorship on many websites already.

[@StochasticUniverse]

It literally does not mean that at all, but thanks for playing.

[@NeoBeelzemon]

@@StochasticUniverse why so? Banning huge web service because it's belongs to not USA - it is the closest future.

[@MrBestard]

You give them the power, they will abuse it.

[@captainhook3962]

What can you do on TikTok that you can’t do on any other social media app? I just don’t get the appeal.

[@jaeusa160]

Well, you can criticize genocide in Gaza on Tiktok and not so much on other apps. And it turns out that's why the US Govt needs to be able to exert direct influence on it, because the biggest donor and lobbyist to both parties doesn't like criticism.

[@jasonvor-da-hehes678]

Why are all these vastly different things thrown into one bill? How is that legal?

[@nidungr3496]

The idea is that one side wants A and the other side wants B. As long as they want their own bills to pass more than they want the other side's bills to fail, they agree to combine them into one bill, which both sides will allow to pass. This allows more bills to be passed without fuss instead of holding each bill hostage to another bill and passing nothing.

[@Velarieth]

1:30 I can answer this question for you. The reason RIOT doesn't matter compared to TikTok has nothing to do with U.S. Citizen data. It's all about the ability to influence the public. TikTok is entirely controlled by the a company that is under the control of the CCP. That means that if Xi Jinping wants to endorse specific candidates for the upcoming election, he can. And he doesn't even need to put out ads to do it. He can just demand that ByteDance weight their algorithm to serve up favorable videos for his chosen U.S. candidates and boom, bonafide election tampering from a foreign nation. And you can say: "Well that would never happen." It already has. TikTok sent out push notifications when this bill was sent to the house telling people to write to their congress people to stop the bill. TikTok already did that. They have a massive captive audience and an extremely insidious means for influencing those people. Now, I'm not saying any other company or government is any better. But there is a decent point to be made that TikTok has way to much influence and power to be left in the hands of a foreign and hostile government that will absolutely use it maliciously.

[@user-je4vb9gq9q]

难道让外国人来参与我们国的内政吗，太搞笑了

[@Velarieth]

@@user-je4vb9gq9q I'm not sure what your point is. No, of course not. China goes to great lengths to stop outside influence of any kind.

[@jaeusa160]

Ah the classic "Only the people I don't like use and are influenced by propaganda". How about we keep the 1st Amendment intact, I get to look at whatever I want, and I get to decide who I think is being more honest on a given subject, hmm? I don't need the US Govt to dictate to me what is/isn't "misinformation", ie everything that disagrees with the narratives of the US Govt. Also you whine about "foreign influence on elections" while AIPAC exists. I mean really? This is a bill with billions in money for the country AIPAC represents to also shut down criticism of that selfsame country from Tiktok. This bill is a premium example OF foreign influence on government.

[@Crunkz21]

how all those package deals with bills work is just insanity to me.

[@Obsidian-Nebula]

The main problem is that EVERY company in China is legally required to have communist party members employed AND to fully comply with any governmental request. No courts, no question asked. Pretty sure something like that wouldn't have flown in America. Also, they've banned all the US social media in china so why not do the same to theirs

[@Tardo84]

What I dislike about TikTok is how much difference is compared to the Chinese version and the Western one, western one is promoting degenerate shit while the Chinese one restricts that stuff. I have no issues with it going away, granted the way they are going about it is somewhat sketchy.

[@barildan]

Degenerative stuff probably just more popular in west

[@obryanmeli2887]

​@@barildan dont know about that. Remember japanese loli shit? I think it is just the chinese government promoting hard working citizens in the algorythm, to make them work harder. While westernes want to get everyone addicted to their shit to make as much money as possible. Both are terrible imo.

[@Tardo84]

@@barildan Right, that's why the algorithm promotes the degenerate stuff in the West and over there its promoting more informative/educational content. They know that's its not the best idea to have your kids consume that shit and get mental issues. There is no incentive for the CCP to restrict it in the west, it´ll give them an edge in the next generation.

[@ctnke]

the chinese version is just one that’s highly censored. Part of the negative aspects of free speech is that the loudest voices often get the most traction, not the most correct ones

[@yourbot9788]

​@Tardo84 u can't blame just on Tiktok for US corruptions . Every regions have different algorithms . Look at Japan tiktok or Korea tiktok and compare that to africa tiktok and the middle east version . They all promoted different algorithm on what the public wanted to see . And the differences between each cultures and manners Which US is lacking off from the start . Americans are full of individualism, let's be honest which's killing the West as we speak . If u wanted Tiktok to provide better algorithm . USA as a whole the culture must shifted towards something first . It's like blaming Mcdonald Japan for US promoting lgbt on their ads in america ,while Japan promoted family orientated for their own advertising . It comes down to what majorities pay attention to . That it also depending on the cultures, parenting, commuity but US is more favor towards Politics rather than its own community . So seeing degenerated stuff isn't surprising . If there's no tiktok all those people will leached onto other platform nothing will change unless they themselves is changed

[@princehotbuns658]

There is ALOT of anti-war, anti-Israel sentiment on TikTok That doesn’t sit well with the senators

[@themostbestwizard]

Glenn Greenwald did some good reporting on the subject. Basically any app where people criticize Israel gets censored (FB, google etc.) cancelled (the app formerly represented by the bird) or shut down (Tik Tok).

[@user-fr5hs4vj4d]

Israel has nothing to do with it. They were talking about this last year. Long before Hamas attacked Israel

[@Knight766]

That's not the reason. It has to do with national security.

[@pr0newbie]

​​@@user-fr5hs4vj4dabsolutely has a lot to do with aipac lobbying. The US can't censor the tiktok algorithm which completely unmasks Western propaganda. For the 1st time people get to discover multiple perspectives to form a more informed, balanced opinion.

[@p0llk4t07]

It's banned across all military and government devices and there is a reason for that...

[@dustintaylor5773]

Everyone is concerned about freedom of speech, but everyone is a pawn. A consumer. Stay distracted. People are just doing exactly what the people in power want. No one is free.

[@Llowdar]

They simply aren't aware of the riot situation