Ubisoft just CHANGED R6 Lore Forever!

[@Truthstxys]

Ash is pushing 40 and still rushing site ever round.

[@hoothoot7122]

Capitao is in his 60’s and just as fast 😂

[@Nileyar00]

@@hoothoot7122I say this every time ash gets took 😂

[@brawdz31]

Thatchers retirement keeps getting declined 😂

[@dill9389]

This comment thread was gold, thank you all

[@jasonavery8247]

Sam Fisher will be 68 this year so it's not the wildest idea Ash would have.

[@Alpha_2-6]

I completely agree with your idea for age. Siege doesn't have the resources like CoD to pump out 2 minute cinematic trailers every 2 months like they did with Warzone 1. Plus, I think keeping everything connected with shorter time gaps helps new people understand the lore because you can just explain the order of events without having to throw a decade's worth of dates in. I still would love to see more "old" operator skins, though. My favorite idea is a re-color of Thatcher's elite to be all worn and torn, with that old school navy blue color, and an 80s era gas mask that's cracked, dusty, and/or faded.

[@charlessaint7926]

(Dates do not exist in Siege) Hey, Nokk, how old are you? "I DON'T KNOW!"

[@Max-dv1kq]

Bro the siege community will go crazy in depth about age, operators not looking older or anything lore related but lack the attention span to drone 3 rooms ahead - thats just insane

[@st4r-15]

Wouldn't be surprised if things happened within a short timespan in the Siege universe. The Division games have always taken place within a very short time span, with Division 2 to date canonically only spanning a few months.

[@HELLHOUND_GARAGE]

The problem is that in The Division the story is told all at once, so the issue of real time and in-game time is not that considerable, but as Rainbow Six tells the story in parts in each update, it means that technically 10 years have passed since start of the rainbow team or not, as the chronology is confusing and it seems like not even the writers know for sure

[@jasonavery8247]

​@@HELLHOUND_GARAGEto add in Ghost Recon Breakpoint takes place in 2025 and both Ash and Sam Fisher are in crossover stories that are supposed to be in the same world as Siege so we're going to need that addressed soon.

[@michael-dumbley]

@@jasonavery8247 I think the best way would be making breakpoint not canon AT ALL in the universe, that game sucks ass, I can't wait for project over and I hope we will finally get a trailer at Ubisoft Forward this year

[@GrumpyPaladin]

2:41, what also doesnt make sense is that since Ash was born in 1990, and Operation Orchad (an operation she took part of, and as her bio states was an "invaluable asset") took part in 2007, would that make her 17? 17 years old in the Shaldag Special Forces???, and not mention the fact that the Shaldag Operators undergo a 2 year and 8 month long training phase, so you are telling me, Ash joined the special forces as a recruit at 15?? yeah, something just doesnt add up. Idk, ubi should have just aged her up imo, cause they have created a lot of inconsistencies.

[@Amy_K27]

plus 4 years of college to be a qualified engineer, plus the 2x years mandatory service she would have had to do in the idf before ever being able to even try out for shaldag lol

[@fijidaze]

@@GrumpyPaladin they've gotta put her year born back to 1989

[@flaeckeljack4571]

@@GrumpyPaladin yo Nokk, wanna go for dinner? Sure, lets go to my favorite Restaurant [REDACTED]

[@KirelRed]

I stopped caring about R6 lore when they deviated from Tom Clancy's vision

[@Nivelle_le_Gris]

Since the cancellation of Patriots then

[@fallenmarker9214]

@@Nivelle_le_Grisi stopped caring when they added operators who weren’t from any actual counter terror organizations which rainbow itself was formed for suck activities we had operators from the navy seals fbi even bope and now we have a cancer patient with a flash shield and a tranny in a wheelchair

[@Bavexer]

for siege mailbox currently the laser sight is the only under barrel attachment and i believe there should be more such as spare mag that reduces reload speed and a flashlight that highlights enemies when in your field of view additionally they could add a bipod that narrows the hip fire spread (similar to the old laser sight)

[@poggestfrog323]

Bring back night maps add flashlight

[@cybersentient4758]

Except the extra mag all would be pretty cool Hell like the guy above said bring back nightmaps which would force you to add the flashlight to be of any use

[@ParaplegicKeanuReeves]

I believe this is the only channel that gives a shit about the lore. Most of us just want a functioning game 💀

[@ussrsniper1877]

My theory is that everything was the date it released (Rainbow was reactivated in 2015, the game released in 2015), until the year 8 cinematic happened, then from there it slowed down drastically.

[@unclelandy]

To me that makes the most sense unless they retcon the date of 2015 to the 2020s, Clancy games have been set years in the future before. R6 Vegas 1 and 2 were set in 2010 despite coming out around 2007/8 I believe

[@ussrsniper1877]

@@unclelandy I mainly had this theory because I think the S.I. (In the universe) is the only way of having a true measurement of the time line, since the S.I. was a yearly event, an argument could be made that before the first S.I. and after the Last one the time line is slow and not lined up with the release date of seasons and stuff

[@unclelandy]

@@ussrsniper1877 I see what you mean yeah

[@jasonavery8247]

​@@unclelandy biggest example is Ghost Recon Breakpoint taking place this year (2025) yet released in 2019 with whole crossovers with Sam Fisher and Rainbow so that's going to need to be addressed eventually.

[@unclelandy]

@@jasonavery8247 for sure, I’m wondering how they’ll address that considering finka is in rainbow in that crossover but isn’t now

[@BadgerBadger95]

I’ve always said this, and another piece of evidence of this, is that in the Twin Shells comic, Deimos says at the end “we’ll find out tommorow, won’t we?” in reference to the intel Skopós and Dokkaebi found. It’s now been a full season further and we still have no comic/cinematic/animation for this, meaning within 5-6 real months, 1 day will have passed in the lore, with the next story being about Deimos’ escape 1 day later (which has been leaked for the next event).

[@flaeckeljack4571]

Talked with my Team about this recently and heard an interesting alternative approach, which would be to disconnect certain aspects of lore and actual Gameplay. Lets say Sam Fisher turns 80 in game. On the Lore side of Siege, they could retire and honourably discharge him. On the Gameplay site, they could give him a celebratory retirement-Skin, but he still would be a playable OP in the game. This would also open an opportunity to give new meaning to skins, which have been pretty shite lately. There is so much potential with retirement skins or squad-themed cosmetics for every Rainbow Squad... Very excited for what they got prepped for Y10, cant wait for Invitational.

[@volpe7436]

I mean you say that but with the stories being interconnected sam canonically goes back to running 4th echelon in 2025 and goes to aurora for the events of ghost recon breakpoints deep state mission line helping nomad and the stranded ghosts Which Then also means that rainbow operators also end up on aurora not long afterwards to deal with chemicals weapons which also means that finka has to rejoin rainbow in this for the events of operation amber sky

[@GrayMMA]

Maestro Chief in Siege confirmed

[@kayagorzan]

Mustard Cliff

[@juandastardly6196]

Monsieur Clifford

[@jansobek1159]

I need T-hunt back fr

[@ZorroCeleste1]

same frfr

[@Thomas_Angelo]

Cant wait for kudos to solve the r6 lore when he hits 50 years old

[@Hippylam]

I feel like they could make good use of how the division does their lore where they have dates on the lore but that is no tied to real time for example part of the story is there is someone in a coma where that has been over a year in real time in the lore that has been only a month which makes things easy to understand

[@CptVein]

I just turned 36. So you saying you'll be 37 in TWELVE YEARS was a hit lol. Lots of content creator are in their late 30s, early 40s.

[@DavidC_92]

I’m 32 and mood.

[@unclelandy]

This wouldn’t be too odd and I wish I thought of this sooner. It wouldn’t be the first time R6 games would be set years after their release. R6 Vegas 1 and 2 were set in 2010 despite coming out sooner than 2010. If they retconned Rainbow’s reactivation to 2018, 2019, or the 2020s (most likely pre-2019 because of Ghost Recon Wildlands) then it would not only lessen the aging problem but like you mentioned, the span of months would make it make better sense. I could easily see the game after siege retconning the 2015 date easily with this perspective.

[@Nick-oh6ms]

I would like if after R6 ends they can go back to that tactical like military esque feeling that had with R6 Vegas 1 and 2

[@fijidaze]

i don't think the writers should redact the dates (years specifically) of things happening and keep the events of the game happening in real time because they have already established that the lore is not affected by gameplay with the addition of Deimos to the roster. The gameplay *used* to be canon until he became a playable character. They *should* keep it happening in real time because it would make sense to do that, let the older operators retire (like Thatcher :P) and then when they want to finally tie off the R6S timeline they can put an end to Team Rainbow in lore to help wrap up the story. Team Rainbow was disbanded before, it can be disbanded again so a new one can take it's place. -sincerely, the other R6 lore person

[@father_Russia]

Still suprised you haven't found a way to push and ask ubisoft to join the writers team at r6 with your passion for this game

[@neofulcrum5013]

I do wonder if they’ll bring back some of the characters from r6 patriots.

[@unclelandy]

I’d love to see that

[@Viktor_404]

I'd much rather they try a jab at R6:Patriots again instead of making more Operators for siege. Been too long since Siege had any relevant story piece.

[@thederpywarrior5387]

This explains why there was never a universal headgear mask cosmetic given to everyone in 2020 for c*vid

[@enenrax]

they should make year x the last year of Siege and then focus on a Siege 2 with new mechanics and maps, and all of characters changed, they only use a few members to siege as leadership

[@ClipCrew]

A couple of notes: S.I confirms some of the years of events. You mentioned “the Deimos events could have happened at any time”, however he shot Harry and Harry was around during “S.I 2021” and the rest of them. Another thing I’ve noticed is the timeline of operators joining doesn’t make sense. They talk about recruiting operators as and when they join, but, for example, in GR wildlands, Cav is said to have taken part in Operation Patriots- which took place long before she supposedly joined Rainbow, which doesn’t make sense.

[@KudosR6]

As far as I am aware, "SI 2021" is our real name for it In universe it's called the Tournament of Champions. There is no official year fixed to it

[@mmkanashiro]

i remember ash talking to thermite about she being in a coma for 1 year so idk how this would work

[@jons.1030]

I think even if they decide they need to age the operators that can work totally fine. Just have new, youngers characters train up and take up the mantle of the operators. Nothing prevents ash from hanging up the sunglasses and some new young buck running her noobtube under a new name.

[@vicaslan]

And its making it easier as well since the 2023 Breakpoint taking place in weird timeline as what happen to the private sector and rainbow as well It helped now.

[@Amy_K27]

Ash’s whole timeline doesn’t make any sense anyway. Like, disclaimer, Ash is my favourite character so I am obsessed with her lore but.. she simply doesn’t have enough years to have done what her bio says she has done.

[@xLeeroycranex]

I think they should just update the characters according to the era, sort of like comic book heroes. Punisher is Vietnam until he's Gulf War until he's GWOT until he's the next big thing Same should be with the Operators.

[@Toru9Sato]

In Ghost recon Breakpoint the Amber Sky episode is based in 2025, Finka is in Rainbow Team

[@Crystalliser-lw1xc]

If they had a larger or separate team they could make it easier if they made a story mode

[@PhantomHusky.]

Interesting..? Not sure how to feel bout it

[@BKJ2023]

"In 15 years I'll be 37" ha you're old.....oh no....oh God wait...

[@ShadowDreamer100]

Don't forget Ghost Recon also making timelines more muddy.

[@evilofalfa]

Yep hardest thing in lore is revealing the age indeed

[@Pirate_King_Kraken-6]

This don’t need to drag it out like they did with Destiny2s lore dude build it up to stand alone and have a ending or lead into the next title and let it be done drag it out more then needed and if it’s gonna live longer then the anticipated then they need to step back and make a story board and push it along and adjust the characters lore. Don’t pull a Destiny2 like BUNGIE it’ll kill the game and destroy the fan base

[@assasincreed5049]

They changed it also in the game

[@zacharybachelor1795]

I mean sam is like 60 to 70 at this point

[@mitr3724]

real question is when in the lore timeline does outbreak event take place

[@leonardlallemand5459]

all i have to say is that in the original book, everyone wears the same boring ass uniform, use a 10mm MP5, all the operators are americans or brittish minus one french and one germans and when someone mention the idea of having one russian or israeli operator everyone else laugh at him for being stupid. and the bigg plot twist of the story wich is a real surprise coming from a book written by tom clancy is that the bad guys are neither russian nor communists

[@Mr.Ghostbusters]

Better idea about the lore-make Sam Fisher lore accurate, before making a game, that will be set between R6, Splinter Cell and Ghost Recon. (Sam is nerfed as heck in R6 lore, compared to any other title)

[@JonBarton19]

I think I prefer operators to just age in real time and have the lore to reflect that. I think it's more preferable to have operators, as they age, to in the lore take on more leadership roles and have their careers progress. If they are adding new ops every year for 10-15 years, even just 2 ops a year, that's 20-30 new ops, that's plenty of operators who can act as the more active "Young blood" in the organization. I think having the older ops that get older to the point they would normally retire, have them take leadership and operation roles like they did for Sam fisher. Of course, having them pop back in to show they can still kick ass like Sam fighting Deimos would always be welcome. I don't see an issue with them aging.

[@jacobhacker6404]

I think the Halo TV show is an example the it’s not ALWAYS a good thing to give writers more freedom.

[@TheShadowNetwork.]

Ill be honest. I dont think Ubisoft will be around in 15 months. Nevermind 15 years lmao.

[@Lightscribe225]

I'm more wondering what will happen if Ubisoft bites it.

[@genderlesseden]

I have a pretty big question about the lore. Maybe I'm just missing something but Why do so many operators have night haven gear while not being on the side of night haven Like look at twitch for example She had an intire night haven set while being in wolf gaurd

[@johnallen9347]

A lot of operators defected to Nighthaven I think sometime after the 2022 Invitational (see "Sisters in Arms" cinematic and the Crystal Guard animation trailer). The operators that joined include Smoke, Pulse, Ela, Finka, and IQ. As for why, I have no idea. Someone else could probably answer that. Gameplay wise, the defectors were likely meant to fill in the squad members of Nighthaven so that they could have, more or less, the same number of operators of the other squads, namely Redhammer, Viperstrike, Wolfguard, Ghost Eyes. Edit: as for Twitch, she was part of Team Kali during the 2022 Invitational along with the aforementioned others above plus Blitz and Echo. They were given the same offer as the others but refused. They also tried recruiting Fuze during the 2021(I think?) Invitational during a joint training exercise in case he wanted to retire from the Spetsnaz.

[@jwinturbo]

Question are the Ghost Recon games canon to the R6 lore?

[@cerjmedia]

Today I learned Kudos is 22 years old

[@jordankiljoy6]

Because it's a game can't you just developed a social call technology in the game to reverse agency don't actually physically agent your data birth and your numb So all you need to put is a date of birth so that if the number goes up it doesn't really matter there's no number they can age without physically agent

[@Rpotato-7567]

So if now siege doesn't go with our time in real life, do you still think that Nomad from Ghost Recon will come to rainbow? Or do you think there's still a chance that he might come as a new operator?

[@theretroaiden2107]

R6 lore .. YES

[@kirpich158]

nice thoughts, but do you really have to repeat the same ideas about "for 1 irl year siege's timeline would progress for couple of months" or that "removal of Ash's bday gives an artistic freedom for writers" or "the ops aging problem" 3 times just to make video go for that 10+ min mark? come on bro, pack it denser

[@VisibleToeHead]

So when do they actually hunt terrorists?

[@dill9389]

How long does everybody think siege has left? I hope it has ten years at least but wondering what everyone thinks.

[@copperbeta]

Nothing to do with the video but with Sam being 63 and Morris being a whole 12 years younger at 51. Sam is looking good like how the hell is a 63 yr old a three speed in game and do shit like hang from the ceiling and put up a fight against Deimos is crazy. I've got to know his secret.

[@ussrsniper1877]

It's Sam Fisher, don't think to hard about it

[@alexplays1112]

Nanobots from Finka is the answer

[@jasonavery8247]

He'll be 68 this year too so they'll need to figure that out eventually.

[@tut_airsoft]

Plot twist all r6 ops get bowtox

[@vinbingames]

the current lore of r6s feels like tom clancy in name ONLY

[@ProjectNFTTV]

I need Ubisoft to respond so I can get my hacked account back

[@SethandJennaPierce]

Guys. What if we just say stuff? And say it’s difficult later.

[@Azra_Fox]

Lore is cool but when are they gonna make this game actually fun again instead of just nerfing anything as soon as they find out someone enjoys a certain part of the game

[@OGMattKenobi]

If only they changed the game for better

[@mikeyhedgefox2817]

Better what or just better like make the game better? I NEED TO KNOW (LOL)

[@thebestoneevermade]

Its fine to keep doing what they're doing because the multiplayer isnt canon to the story

[@captironsight]

So what was the change? What is the point of this video?

[@KudosR6]

That they've removed the piece of evidence that made us believe siege lore is happening in the same years as real life, where as now we don't know when it is set at all

[@MakeLoveNotHate9]

​@@KudosR6 i can imagine in 2030. We have robots, holograms already. So why not.

[@Shipoy-ip9gw]

I swear R6 lore is a complete clusterfuck

[@SkunkLifeMedia]

I can see your point on the one hand, on the other, it seems like you are waaaay over thinking it bro. lol

[@Arkbuilder77]

"places" are you not allowed to say he crippled her?

[@BlackGhostMan]

I stopped caring about siege when it became an esports game. Wtf happened to fighting terrorists.

[@MontyBeWafflin]

Age leak 7:03

[@JohnDoe-yw5ni]

Fan of R6 lore? The most over the place messy lore in modern gaming?

[@Fixer48]

Its sad they went from a serious anti terrorist unit to a sport

[@shadow_king12344]

True but i think they realised it and tried to fix it in year 9

[@darkmusky9851]

@shadow_king12344 They can start by adding back terrorist hunt, EVERYONE misses it

[@hotwings18]

too bad they wont fix the gameplay

[@archnebulas]

Damn this game is getting old now

[@Redmont_]

So… nothing?

[@JpAmbulante]

Who tf is a rainbow six lore fan, wtf

[@Duszek9118]

Ubisoft ❌️ Goofysoft ✅️

[@Ziyad-v8e]

wagwan

[@itssecret.722]

what lore? seige ruined everything lore related.

[@noahcunliffe3969]

I like the video

[@yousseftamer7980]

Make your videos shorter😪

[@Faze_creeper875]

14th

[@stefanpedias4511]

This is something I just never cared about, they went too woke for me and I just stopped paying attention

[@pennaddict]

❄️

[@Mordu83]

The games is trash

[@renuk7]

My unemployed friend on Monday morning...