Modifying a Framework Laptop from x86 to RISC-V live on stage | Ubuntu Summit 2024

[@helper_bot]

this guy is really good, being the CEO, doing the talk, and doing the 5 minute demonstration all in the same time. he's a real geek for sure XD

[@doomtomb3]

Yeah everything is great until you contact frame.work/support. Trust me, you haven't and you will hate their support.

[@StarkNebula]

Neat, though wish they would have booted up the laptop.

[@deeplykind3754]

Given that they changed the type of the CPU they would probably need to reinstall of the OS since binaries won’t be compatible, if he also swapped SSDs tho this would be possible

[@aaronprisk]

People actually chanted that after the talk and he did turn it on back stage 😁 I'll have to see if there is a photo or video somewhere of it running.

[@joesmith6643]

you probably wouldn't be able to do anything without installing a risc-v compiled operating system

[@ghost_of_you_tube]

​@@deeplykind3754 if kernel Linux has wrote is Java... 😂😂😂

[@TheFerdi265]

given that the storage slot is on the main board, this would work perfectly fine if the OS is already installed on both storage devices.

[@ultralaggerREV1]

Planned obsolescence must end. I want Framework to support other companies to do the same in the field of open source laptops

[@barknbryce6993]

we need to vote with our wallets

[@lolhead7127]

Your idea is absolutely right but companies don't want to do it tbh since they won't be able to manipulate it to make profit out of nothing

[@ultralaggerREV1]

@@lolhead7127 they can make profits. They are just lazy to figure it out

[@barknbryce6993]

@@lolhead7127 well now there is an alternative so we need to put our money where our mouth is

[@lolhead7127]

@@barknbryce6993 sure you can do that but you must recognize that people who pay while not thinking are much more in number so while the number to create a demand for this niche are good, but there never might be enough to put a dent on the demand of other companies...

[@TheHermitHacker]

Okay. Hands down, my next laptop WILL be a Framework.

[@Marc.Google]

🙌🏼

[@MinePossu]

Avoid dropping it. I have a fw13 and the right side card slot usb c has usb3.0 issues now. Also the screen is really scarily thin and once the screen broke in my backpack. Now its left speaker has a bit of a buzzing sound (have to reseat the rubber gromits).

[@TheHermitHacker]

@@MinePossu That goes without saying... I have two laptops. One costs me 2,800 and the other 3,200 USD. Both are Dell XPS machines, fully spec'ed out. Needless to say, I take great care to protect these machines.

[@MinePossu]

@@TheHermitHacker i have my old thinkpad from school. That machine still runs with the beating it has received. Even has a small dent. Another classmate had dropped his thinkpad and only the corner had a missing chunk it still ran fine for the remainder of the school. Id kinda hope that framework would make strong chassis for clumsy bastards like me.

[@gyrgamer8936]

Actually amazing!

[@Marc.Google]

Framework’s vision is so powerful, it’s bewildering it took this long for a company to bring a laptop like this to market. There’s only two I would consider in 2024 based on use case: Framework for Windows/Linux and a MacBook for MacOS. Full stop.

[@hyacinthtiger62]

If you're techy and brave enough, you can build yourself a Framework Hackintosh lol

[@Marc.Google]

@ has it been done successfully, yet?

[@hyacinthtiger62]

@@Marc.Google I haven't heard anything yet lol. But it would be cool

[@marvin3898]

That's very impressive.

[@glmchn]

What a chad demo 💪🤓💪

[@inamulbhuyan]

riscv❤❤

Almost amazing but I want my 5 minutes back. He didn't boot the machine.

[@augm3nt384]

Apple is the opposite of this !!

[@kvbk]

That is Apple Intelligence.

[@johanngambolputty5351]

Awesome, when can I have one?

[@destrierofdark_]

soon, probably

[@7_of_9]

Outstanding!!

[@ArchLinuxOS]

Cool!😃

[@Allthephones]

Arch Linux!!!!!!!!!

[@SirusStarTV]

Is there option to buy framework laptop without motherboard? so that anyone could choose other companies motherboards.

[@Ivan-qo7eg]

You can buy all the other parts, but the third party motherboards have to be designed to be compatible with the framework ecosystem, and this video shows the first motherboard of this kind. So short answer no, but theoretically yes.

[@tankerkiller125]

Their marketplace allows you to buy all the parts individually, so in theory you could purchase all the parts except the mainboard. With that said though you'll spend more doing that than just buying one with a board from Intel or AMD already installed.

[@gamagama69]

​@@tankerkiller125its a bit cheaper

[@gamagama69]

there arent 3rd party boards yet

[@Sithhy]

@@gamagama69 Technically, the RISC-V mobo is a 3rd party board as it's made by DeepComputing

[@mzs114]

I hope these work with Debian or any other generic distribution.

[@destrierofdark_]

they do.

[@DeerJerky]

they do!! I have a FW13 and have been running debian with kde without any issues that weren't caused by my toomfoolery

[@nirnejak]

badass

[@dhrispushups]

Wish Fedora was in it...

[@r1nlx0]

Wait its a thing already ?

[@destrierofdark_]

yes.

[@niceride]

Basic support for FML13V01 is now staged for Linux 6.13-rc1

[@Hindu69397]

When it is coming to india ❤❤

[@RenatoFontes]

Being able to do that while keeping your mouth going looks very impressive. 😂😂

[@mglsj]

Raspberry Pi powered framework anyone?

[@PASRC]

counter proposal: snapdragon powered framework

[@samridhyaghosh4693]

@@PASRC i doubt if snapdragon will allow that also you would lose upgradeable ram

[@dbsirius]

Not powerful enough

[@yasirrakhurrafat1142]

​@@PASRC I'm rather hoping for more risc-v upgrades and applications. It has certain advantages. While arm is not only close sourcing and proprietizing things, they're meking older, perfectly useable hardware obsolete. Risc-v will mitigate that, among other advantages.

[@hyacinthtiger62]

When Framework launches on ARM, I'm replacing my laptop. Full stop.

[@06howea1]

Linus tech s this

[@soumajitghosh02]

Plot Twist: It didn't boot

[@williamkennedy8133]

No bootup? 🙃

[@StephenSmith304]

Apparently he did right after the video ends because people were chanting for him to boot it.

[@svettnabb]

Should have used the LTT screwdriver. Missed opportunity :/

[@boop]

More impressive that he did it all with what's included in the box though

[@pseudo_goose]

Even better, it's the Framework screwdriver provided with every purchase.

[@VGl0dXM]

hate canonical, love framework

[@polaris1985]

The laptops are too expensive, need a cheaper version of framwork for Asia region! 1699 for a laptop, I would rather buy a Macbook Air!

[@LivingLinux]

And as soon as you have a hardware problem with your Macbook Air, don't be surprised you end paying more than $1699 in total. Just search for the video where Louis Rossman shows you a repair of a couple of minutes, where the Apple Genius Bar advised to buy a whole new laptop. It was also covered by CBC.

[@polaris1985]

@LivingLinux it's worth the experience

[@gamagama69]

​@@polaris1985why would you ever want to use macos

[@Walter_]

Compare the cost of replacing a framework laptop part with replacing an apple laptop part. This is not a joke, i am serious, go out of your comfort zone and really look up the prices.

[@polaris1985]

@@Walter_ then I'll buy a non macbook, HP Dell Lenovo or Asus but why would I buy something this expensive?

[@ujjal147]

Framework laptop in India when???

[@lloydpbabu]

I don't think they are stable enough to scale this for a market like India, yet.

[@5rv9KY]

Don't expect it to be reasonably priced due to greedy government.

[@She-Jinping]

​@@5rv9KYwhat is greedy government?

[@LigsChungy]

You must redeem framework giftcard saar!

[@Empty_Vima]

I've always wondered why they made Type-C to Type-C expensive and complicated instead of creating a good connection... Modern people have probably forgotten what RJ45 is and that several PCs can form a local network for free... And if we talk about repairability and convenience... Where are the hot-swap switches? It makes more sense to use a screen... But making a keyboard out of it is difficult... You need to write code for it... But even so, external split keyboards with a graphic tablet in the middle look more interesting anyway. _))

[@xlion]

Type-C to Type-C or any expansion cards means the wears are always on the card itself, so you won't need to worry about the lifespan of the ports.

[@Empty_Vima]

@@xlion hello duckduck mac DC jack USB-C connector Fixing USB-C ports...

[@princepines]

@@Empty_Vima womp womp usb c to usb c requires micro soldering, thats why its expensve

[@ghost_of_you_tube]

​@@amstan3896 Bro ... he is correct😅 ... let's do some math ... if a person work 8h/day * 7 days earning $7/h it will total/month = 1699, if the cable is $10, the cable represents 0.58% of you month ... really cheap in your reality ... in my country the average/h is $3 (no talking about taxes, it is above 100%) ... doing the math it's represents 5.58% of month total WITHOUT TAX, with tax it become 11.9% ... but looking for other perspectives, the proposal of USB is became an Universal Serial Bus ... but every usb-c cable (for example) have different functions, you need buy one cable for otg, other for mhl, other for fast charge, etc. So ... after show this aspects in consideration we will need buy one cable/function with this cost, this is literally not cheap and really complicated 😢

[@Empty_Vima]

@@amstan3896 USB-C at 240W looks ridiculous... Why not make it 1000W right away? It seems like you guys have a whole sect there. I won't bother you anymore. I’d rather get a mini PC or a regular PC with separate power for SFP+. For the phone and magnetic cable, it will be enough.

[@the_original_dude]

haha why didn't they boot it... If it doesn't boot, what's the point, everyone has already seen you swapping the motherboard. I guess it's one of those "just to get more publicity"

[@tekoreimante]

the point of frameworks laptops is to be able to replace the parts as easy as posible. also he explained that he was showing just that. what's the point of turning it on if you can't tell if there is Risk-V or x86 there. ubuntu looks the same on both

[@Minecraftzocker135]

He first would need to switch the SSD too as this CPU swap won't just work with the same os install and then he would need to not only boot it up but show some kind of hardware info as it's not obvious what running under the hood

[@C4CH3S]

They booted it up later.

[@DFYX]

@@Minecraftzocker135 The SSD is screwed to the mainboard so he would have swapped it while swapping the board. My guess is that he didn't boot it because a) he was running out of time and b) he wasn't confident that he didn't forget/fumble some connector. Nothing more embarassing than trying to turn it on and then noticing the battery connector is loose.

[@priyanshusharma1812]

What a clown opinion, you do realise x86 operating systems aren't gonna boot up in risc v right? He just showed how easy it is to swap the hardware, you've gotta install the OS for the architecture or swap SSDs to boot up

[@notCAMD]

I don't like snaps.

[@destrierofdark_]

not the point of this talk.

[@ChomsyAllen]

it does not boot LOL

[@StephenSmith304]

He did right after the video ends because the audience was asking