Uesugi Kenshin vs Takeda Shingen

Heaven and Earth 1990

[@manusiabumi7673]

this is why i like japanese historical movies more than hollywood's: the important characters actualy wear their helmets on the battlefield

[@jmeistur2879]

True in our American films it seems like they take their helmets off a lot lol.

[@malalalalala2985]

@Mage no it's because taking your helmet off in war is stupid

[@generalcurve6480]

From what I’ve heard the samurai wore a hachimaki not their helmet into battle but if they wanted to wear their helmet they would wear something of a Santa hat called eboshi before putting on their helmet because the helmet was really heavy

[@ronnylopez9537]

They never wanted to kill each other. Just fight.. Honor fighting

[@manusiabumi7673]

@@ronnylopez9537 lol no, if they want a friendly spar they'd do it in a dojo or city square or something, not in a battlefield. Also, fielding and army is VERY expensive and requires a lot of preparations, no one be making all those sacrifices and putting all those efforts without something big in mind

[@mohamedthair6737]

OUR GENERAL IS IN GRAVE DANGER, MY LORD

[@houssamassila6274]

OUR MEN ARE RUNNING FROM THE BATTREFIERD-u, u.. SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!

[@victuz]

MY LORD, THEIR GENERAL HAS FALLEN... A CUTTING BLOW!!

[@mulldarius6114]

YARIMEJI!!!

[@lorenzoaliaga1401]

Ashigaru Yari gozaïmas !

[@mrpbhorseman1314]

SHEMFUR DISPREY

[@audeobellicus]

These two had an interesting relationship, They were bitter rivals and sworn enemies, but they commanded so much respect for each other and almost were like brothers.

[@durman]

Indeed

[@TheRojo387]

OniYoshihiro Or as some would say, brother and sister. See, Kenshin is rumoured to in fact have been a woman posing as a man.

[@prashantd6252]

@@TheRojo387 yep...weird huh!

[@glitchanka4666]

@@TheRojo387 Kairakuten Beast material! Hahah!

[@malinirdeep73]

@@TheRojo387 that would make the outcome of the duel even more of an achievement for Kagetora.

[@masonhill5157]

I love the fact that these two fought each other so much yet neither of them could truly win against the other.

[@kgizzle92]

Perfect foils…it’s Shakespearean!

[@hamzaferoz6162]

Than Nobunaga came 😂😂

[@MinusTheRogue]

@@hamzaferoz6162He did not win against either. Shingen was mopping up his ally Ieyasu before his passing and his campaign against the still living Kenshin was a failure.

[@kaushikhegde8227]

​@@MinusTheRogue Shingen was too strong for Ieyasu to handle and he also had better numbers along with being a brilliant strategist. While he won the battle, he however did not take the strongholds Ieyasu had because Ieyasu sent a 100 men for a desperate night attack after the battle and this caused Shingen to retreat but that was again solely based on luck and bluff mainly because he thought Kenshin or Nobunaga would have sent reinforcements. So it kind of took off a little credibility to his victory because he was driven off only because of luck.

[@quantumimmortality551]

I like how the other soldiers let them 1v1 without jumping in

[@Lo-tf6qt]

It's a show of respect I guess from both Takeda and Uesugi clan, seeing how Shingen and Kenshin's relationship was.

[@spoonhouseinc.1124]

From what I understand, it was actually common practice in feudal Japan for two champions from each side to single each other out and engage in one on one combat. Very cool and hounorable lol

[@generalcurve6480]

Samurai were about 1v1 and if you didn’t let someone 1v1 it’s the equivalent of pissing over everyone in public

[@rizkymubaroq3025]

Yeah because it's a movie

[@quantumimmortality551]

@@rizkymubaroq3025 no it's not, this is real footage from the past

[@christoskyrou]

My most favorite Samurai movie of all times - with all respect to Kurosawa's genius - with fantastic accuracy of the mix of strategy (Earth) and elements (Heaven) including the fog of war depicted by Kadokawa in it's highest form. I can't believe this movie never made it even in DVD form in the U.S. Such a shame.

[@durman]

Well this saves the situation to a degree as I didn't get a copyright mark for this one at least

[@christoskyrou]

Thank you so much for sharing!

[@quyennguyen4177]

i had the DVD once, but lost, shame.

[@Huyrrou]

Even if they are rivals, enemy, they still respect each other like samurai, you could say that in other life they would be best friends, you can see the joy in the actors face like they are fighting not as enemy, but as someone that can stand by each other.

[@8bitgamer85]

2:03 😮 So that's where Takeda Shingen-San received the scar where the was none when one of his concubines was examining the back of the Kagemusha imposter thief pretending to be the Daimyo after he fell off his horse while riding with Takeda's grandson.

[@spoonhouseinc.1124]

Lmao what a reference

[@vivavoce4823]

Wow, love Shingen's helmet! A helmet with red hair is freaking cool!

[@ballisticbee1678]

Viva Voce i have the Replica of his helmet, It is absolutely beautiful.

[@vivavoce4823]

You make me jealous! Was your replica white or red hair? It seems that in historical paintings, Shingen's helmet is with white hair!

[@thatoneradicalizedprussian225]

Thereon Inarek Where did you learn all this? I've developed an interest in Japanese history and culture, but don't know where to start.

[@aliceblue4323]

I'm red side haha

[@ballisticbee1678]

Viva Voce white hair, my apologies for this disgusting delay, since I replied originally I have collected a suit and a few Kabuto XD

[@emmanuelagudo4918]

It must have a been a tremendous challenge to bring the Battles of Kawanakajima to life using the art of motion picture in the year 1990. I cannot imagine the technical limits of the tools, and what is perceived to have been known at the time of filming, so as to meet the clear requirements of scope, such as the film vision that we see at pictures 3:13 onwards. Not to mention the skills and techniques involve to capture those wide angle shots and unusual vantage points just to provide a rich context of experience of what the Filming team have in mind.

[@Guntank]

This. As a counter-example, the depiction of Kawanakajima in 2007's Furin Kazan felt so anemic and devoid of actual people compared to this, like the Uesugi and Takeda generals were all leading SEAL Teams instead of actual armies.

[@kaiverse9568]

I love how sloppy the horseback sword fight looks cause it's realistic

[@ForgottenHonor0]

Amazing movie! Honestly, one of my favorite samurai epics. Interesting trivia, this was filmed in Canada. So, you can safely assume that any extra you see with a face-mask is most likely Canadian and they were using the masks to hide that fact.

[@durman]

Yeah. I am aware of that.

[@althesmith]

Well, a lot of the extras were also First Nations, so they wouldn't have looked too out-of-place.

[@KunalSingh-kq9tk]

Watched the movie and loved it. Kenshin's martial prowess deserves a lot of respect ✊

[@anchovy1503]

do you still have a link to download it?

[@miguelenver8804]

What is the name of the movie?

[@NEXT4568]

@@miguelenver8804 TEN TO CHI TO (HEAVEN AND EARTH)😍😍😍😍 LOVE THIS MOVIE 1990

[@gregstewart5081]

I always liked how the first rider to attack Kagetora is like NOPE flees left very fast

[@kgizzle92]

One of the most beautiful film endings I have ever seen…Takeda was an unstoppable force and Kagetora (Uesegi) was a rock in his shoe…then parting for Kagetora is almost biblical like Moses parting the Red Sea!

[@chilakalanissarahamed765]

Excuse me. What is the name of this movie?

[@michaelstark8720]

@@chilakalanissarahamed765 TEN TO CHI TO (HEAVEN AND EARTH)

[@kgizzle92]

The man who Kagetora hit swords with at the end…it’s like he had no real desire to attack…only just the ability to claim he crossed swords with one of the greatest warriors of his time!

[@村澤駿介]

Compared to the samurai tv drama these days, leaders fight in front of the battlefield in old ones. Actually, the leaders didn’t fight that much because of possibility of death.

[@durman]

It's based on the famous story, that Kenshin broke through Takeda's line right to Takeda himself. Story tells, that Takeda was asked by Kenshin what he feels before death. Takeda deflected Kenshin's sword with his fan and responded by saying hokku that he came up right away. Of course it's a story, as some variants of that say that Kenshin was on horseback and some put Takeda's fan from ordinary one to battle fan. Just a legend, nothing else

[@althesmith]

Not only that, it's very difficult to kill someone in first-rate armour with a sword.

[@protocetus499]

They wore top armor dumbass the only thing that can easily pierce it are musket

[@Guntank]

Massed firearms and making them becoming easier and cheaper made it too dangerous for most major leaders to actually take the charge themselves by that point and those who still did were utterly fearless. The last notable European king who actually led a charge into battle himself was Gustavus Adolphus during the Battle of Lutzen in 1632, and unlike Kenshin, he did not survive that one. Heck, imagine if the Battle of Waterloo actually ended with all three armies being so worn down that it came down to Napoleon and Wellington duelling 1v1 on horseback...

[@hellfire6372]

Kenshin: "I do not fight with salt, but with the sword" This world no longer has a true leader like him.

[@darkskullanimehub1631]

Imagine Takeda Shingen and Oda Nobunaga's clash, It would be epic

[@MW-wh8hh]

Only in Dynasty warriors where is all chinese and japanese warlords from different centuries putted together to fight each others xd

[@icaro_a14]

Kenshin wins Nobunaga with 30.000 men (vs 50.000 of Nobunaga)

[@jrtucker7211]

Anyone else completely heartbroken that they don’t look the same as they do in Ikémen Sengoku? 😂

[@shoheivk3191]

Yesss😫😂😂😂😂😂

[@sexgravy9058]

No

[@Iマーボ]

音楽が素晴らしい

[@marchheroofbnk48]

R. I. P. Takeda

[@SuperBenGangsOthersFan]

He's kill Him?

[@generalcurve6480]

Our general is injured, my lord. He lives, but must leave the batterfeld.

[@kaanalpkaratas6091]

At the start of the movie, Kenshin and his friends opened the way for Shingen. Now, Shingen and his army is opening the way for Kenshin and his army.

[@francelewiss7030]

I am Canadian and i just found out this was film in Canada, now that cool

[@althesmith]

I can just imagine near the end Shingen thinking "Damn! Gotta get some of that Portuguese plate armour!"

[@volodimirzelenski3852]

I love samurai armors

[@godisforever7263]

I'm pretty sure they're soldiers are used to the brother and brother fighting that keeps happening.

[@t-nakahiro]

いつの間にか信玄の前立てどっか行った

[@davidpurba404]

That last shoot was beautiful

[@geopornicus3944]

This question is mainly addressed to Japanese. In modern Japan , do sometimes people from different areas each argue or quarell because over the samurai clan based on the territory they were born and grew up in ?

[@DeltaCain13]

The short answer is probably not. The samurai were not as prominent as movies like to portray them, actually what we dramatize is almost entirely due to western fascination of the samurai. The main characters in this film were not samurai actually, they were a step up the ladder, Daimyo.

[@jj3272]

@@DeltaCain13 This is one of the least informed things Ive ever read on youtube

[@gymnopedie4445]

Are you serious? Nobody gives a shit about any of that in the 21st century. Japan isn't some magical mystical other world where samurai clan rivalries from the 16th century still matter. They have some things we don't have in the West, but life isn't really *THAT* different there. I'd say it's just a more decadent/degenerate version of the West, with their men being emasculated as hell and their women choosing careers over raising the next generation of Japanese children. So like I said, the West but on steroids.

[@DemonicEmbrace]

Κικιώνης Κωνσταντίνος feudal system in japan ended a long time ago

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

@@gymnopedie4445 And women not cowtowing to submissive roles and making a name for themselves is bad....because??? And men not being hyper masculine is bad...because??? I think you mean to say that the Japanese youth are refusing to get together and just breed already, which is a toxic as hell way of saying that, but the population is the real issue right now.

[@falseflaag]

Those flags on backs - almost like the winged hussars.

[@kaanalpkaratas6091]

Also infamous Takeda cavalry was on Uesugi side here for some reason

[@yocutee9013]

Who know the name of soundtrack backgroud?

[@durman]

Tetsuya Komuro 天与地 Ten To Chi To (Heaven And Earth)

[@yocutee9013]

@@durman thank you 😁

[@pradyumn2692]

The horses be like - look at this idiots with funny costumes. And they call us dumb animals.

[@michaelheraldo2986]

Takeda shingen and eusegi Kenshin Great rivals during sengoku jidai Oda nobunaga: 🙋🙋

[@kaanalpkaratas6091]

Do these guys only know how to slash and not poke? Also great tactic by Shingen to charge at his own. I wonder how he did not get killed.

[@angryrockybhai4600]

I don't mean to ruin the fun but where are the naginata or spears where are the bows samurai rearly used their swords their main weapon were bows

[@krauzer_smith]

Name movie?

[@michaelstark8720]

TEN TO CHI TO (HEAVEN AND EARTH)

[@kaushikhegde8227]

Kenshin and Shingen are pretty much equals as Daimyo. But 1v1 Kenshin pretty much is the slightly better of the 2.

[@ziyadpepe6291]

I wanna see a Sword fight between takeda shingen and Khalid ibn al-walide and i want jankes khan as a referee

[@houssamassila6274]

Laughs in *Mushashi Miyamoto*

[@darkskullanimehub1631]

We don't know who will win, Two greatest swordsman on earth

[@anggappuchinno]

Khaleed=0 lose

[@retardcorpsman]

Isn’t Khalid hundreds of years behind in terms of armor technology compared to Takeda’s era tho? Full body Plate and Lamellar weren’t popular at the time, with the exception of the Kataphractoi units serving under Byzantine and Sassanid forces. Its not really fair for a dark ages era person with a simple mailie hauberk to fight a medieval century person clad in full body plate. Saladin with a mameluke bodyguard vs Takeda’s chosen retainers is a much fairer fight imho. Its a matchup between a strategic cavalry general with a preference for evasive yet careful manoeuvres vs a tactical cavalry general with a preference for confrontative ‘hit and run’ manoeuvres. Its a battle between a strong hunter and an agile prey in way.

[@teukurajahitam8225]

Happy ending :)

[@kartikacandrast.2937]

Lek ngandelke 75 plus apo seng...

[@johnchesterharris8694]

What is the title of the movie?

[@durman]

Heaven and Earth Released in 1990

[@johnchesterharris8694]

Thank you

[@kaanalpkaratas6091]

1:17 spaghetti swords

[@legendaryszoke]

Where can one watch the english version

[@muhammad_soa]

OUR GENERAR IS INN GRAVE DANGERR, MY RORD

[@khamrynj4575]

Why is takeda usually depicted with a lot of calvary

[@durman]

as various sources say, Takeda used a lot of cavalry in battle.

[@hamzaferoz6162]

Because the Takeda strength was cavalry. They had the finest cav in Japan

[@guardiadecivil6777]

nothing wrong with that depictions, what is wrong is the lack of matchlocks especially when shingen himself knew the advantage it brought in battles

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

@@guardiadecivil6777 Shingen and Kenshin knew about matchlocks but the battle was not suited for Matchlocks and mass production of it was not used during the battle as both wanted to fool the other strategically.

[@theturrox4900]

Mortal Kombat reference?

[@israelulloa4017]

lmao too

[@QBQBQ-w7m]

神

[@КонстантинЗахаревич-е1щ]

What`s the music?

[@durman]

Tetsuya Komuro ten to chi to

[@КонстантинЗахаревич-е1щ]

@@durman can you give me the link?

[@durman]

@@КонстантинЗахаревич-е1щ На самом деле я сам его скачал не помню где, после поиска по файлообменникам.

[@КонстантинЗахаревич-е1щ]

@@durman файлик остался? В ЛС можешь по почте скинуть?

[@durman]

@@КонстантинЗахаревич-е1щ Увы, винт сгорел да и скорее всего нет

[@fcojaviergil5520]

Shingen Takeda ❤

[@user-cd6je5ct1o]

Very niceeeeeee

[@atulofau9006]

why didn't they kid his horse bridle? he would easily fell of his horse

[@marchheroofbnk48]

Who is Kenshin? Who is Takeda?

[@TizianoC]

Takeda Shingen is the one that bring an helmet with red hair

[@vzomine]

Good 👍

[@ozkandemircan8158]

I wonder how would it be look like Sekigahara with Takeda and Uesugi clans. More epic certainly.

[@リア-l6z]

いつ見てもファンタジーな映画だな。大将同士で何合も斬り合いとか三国志かな？ｗ でも雰囲気はすこ。ただ所々歴史改変や粗が目立つ映画だ。このシーンじゃない場面で現代語で喋ってるシーンもあり大分適当。 外人さんが間違った歴史学んでしまうからどうせ見るなら風林火山とか武田信玄見てほしい。

[@teukurajahitam8225]

Tokugawa Iyeyasu's man bring peace and modern age

[@Farhanez]

Ieyasu bang.

[@narkisszosz.]

In truth, Kenshin strikes, Shingen parries with his banner. Beatiful clash

[@k-popband2959]

Warriors orochi 3

[@thrudgelmirkenshin3267]

me: at 2:48 Let's ride out boys.

[@hunainfarid2464]

kenshin won.

[@mraffi3387]

nope , according to the record the battle of kawanakajima happen 5 times both faction evenly matched uesugi won the first half and takeda the rest , eventually both withdraw they army back to home due heavy casualties on both army and political unrest/domestic affair. this is why this battle is so famous in that era even in modern day of japan.

[@Assassinus2]

Arguably, both the Takeda and Uesugi lost. By investing so much into the (pointless) battles of Kawanakajima, both clans kept each other and themselves from exerting greater effort toward expanding their spheres and suppressing clans like the Oda.

[@mraffi3387]

The fake castle that takeda build pretty much the most useless coz kenshin sees through takeda's chief strategist plot , but probably only shingen that can block a katana using only a wooden fan . 👏👏👏 lol

[@pchwang]

It was an iron fan.

[@awc7279]

Hindsight is 20/20 but there is definitely some truth to what you said; the battles were fought for strategic reasons however whether they are correct is another matter.

[@Erik-vp5bm]

Awesome scene, but so damn incorrect.

[@guardiadecivil6777]

to be fair if they showed shingen blocking kenshin's attack with a literal fan the viewers would probably be in disbelief

[@aliabdollahi2512]

samurai

[@arachnoidea9857]

if this scene is real battle. uesugi is dead.

[@robloxchanel165]

arach noidea no takeda shingen is dead

[@janeswurld]

Seppuku

[@SuperBenGangsOthersFan]

He's dead?

[@劉偉行-m5r]

職田信長對德川家康

[@davidchiu7714]

上衫謙信vs武田信玄吧

[@tsuyu_namida]

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