UFC 136: Dana White Looks Back at UFC 136, Talks Strikeforce and Jones vs. Machida

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@tacotacotington3638
@tacotacotington3638 4 жыл бұрын
Lol I love the give and take from Ariel and Dana way back when. Its a lot different than after Ariel leaked that event before the UFC wanted to hold out on
@kazmir2
@kazmir2 13 жыл бұрын
7:24 "andersilven... anderson silva"
@mikethorwart3083
@mikethorwart3083 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny Just to throw a few stats at you to defend GSP a bit, only 41% of GSP's fights are decisions while 57% of Edgar's wins are decisions. GSP has finished quite a few people. Also, there are two people in that cage. It's up to GSP's opponents to beat him as well. If they can't figure him out, that's their problem. I agree with GSP being timid in finishing people but nobody has been able to bring the fight to him either.
@goodbadugly16
@goodbadugly16 13 жыл бұрын
this just in, 'pound for pound' isn't literally on a weight basis. it's a general term to describe ones dominance in their weight class. fedor wasn't p4p one of the best back in the day because he was a small heavyweight. it was because he was a great heavyweight regardless of his weight.
@Harrison101HD
@Harrison101HD 13 жыл бұрын
Dana White is RIDICULOUS to say Frankie Edgar has beaten everyone at 155. I'm a huge fan of his, but there's 5 or 6 guys in the division who'd have a shot of beating Frankie, Gilbert Melendez, Clay Guida and Ben Henderson are all examples.
@GianniVitucci
@GianniVitucci 13 жыл бұрын
I would love for GSP to take his " #1 by a mile" quoting DW PPV sales numbers and go to some other promotion just to watch DW shit his pants. I have no problem with Dana but what makes him the authority on P4P best? Listen to the other fighters, not some guy who - though is President of the company - is really just a an earobox instructor.
@jduane1976
@jduane1976 13 жыл бұрын
agree with dana on p4p frankie fighting bigger guys and still winning and being a champion. like dana said its like gsp fighting at 185 and at his natural 170 weight and being champion fighting much bigger guys. hats off to frankie!
@GianniVitucci
@GianniVitucci 13 жыл бұрын
@MrDeadeyes I meant he was doing some billy blanks style boxing aerobics before he hit it big with the UFC - yes, i put the e before the a but it was a joke about boxing aerobics
@maninthevan53
@maninthevan53 13 жыл бұрын
mmmmmmm i listen to Dana and i herd him mention to john Jones to fight as a heavy weight i did not say no but 1 year time is better not now give him time to grow
@GianniVitucci
@GianniVitucci 13 жыл бұрын
And dont get me wrong - i like Frankie - nice guy, classy - etc but how do you make a guy p4p 1 or 2 when he cant even get on 1/2 the rides at Disneyland?
@Chello215
@Chello215 7 жыл бұрын
2017.
@tacotacotington3638
@tacotacotington3638 4 жыл бұрын
2019
@kaalammusic2850
@kaalammusic2850 2 жыл бұрын
@@tacotacotington3638 2022
@vanso514
@vanso514 13 жыл бұрын
Dana is obviously trying to get GSP to finish his fights for once. I'm a GSP fan but I understand what Dana is doing and I approve of it.
@XBOX36035
@XBOX36035 13 жыл бұрын
but what has GSP done yes defeated some world class MMA fighters but when was the last time in tko or got a KO on someone....2008 ;)
@silvap4p
@silvap4p 13 жыл бұрын
see its cool if fighters ould move up or down but ppl seem to think that its the only way to become validated nowadays and thats sad cuz it pretty much telling them "well even tho ur the best in your division ur not that good of a fighter unless u move up and fight the best in another weight class"i know its not meant that way but thats kinda what it is despite the good intentions which if u r one of the best or the best u do have the skill to do it i just dont want them to make it a must 4 p4p
@silvap4p
@silvap4p 13 жыл бұрын
i dont get the move up in weight to secure ur legacy..i mean its cool to watch and stuff but like silva i dont think he should move to lhw just so ppl will think he is the best, how much does a fighter have to prove, if u do shit like that they can always prove sumn til they retire, they wont b able to live up to everybodys standards,i feel the same way about jon jones going to hw why?to prove what?
@MrTechnicalFighter
@MrTechnicalFighter 13 жыл бұрын
If anyone wants to talk "P4P" its should be between 2 divisions and the top guy from both divisions should put on a superfight after they clean out the division. like Jones vs Anderson, so that we have a way to tell whos in line for a superfight, its could go like this, BW vs FW(135-145) LW vs WW(155-170) MW vs LHW(185-205) And i think there needs to be a SUPER HW so guys like lesnar and carwin dont have to cut from 280-300 to 265.. and 220-240lb guys wont be so out sized. Just an idea dont hate
@Evil_Peter
@Evil_Peter 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny You don't know too much about MMA, do you? GSP sits on people for 25 minutes? His last two fights were contested almost solely on the feet, Einstein. I think Edgar is great but to say that he legitimately wins when he's on a one fight winning streak is funny. He also has a much lower finishing ratio than GSP. And the fact that only morons call professional fighters scared aside, you actually think that giving up position for a submission attempt is just for points? Hahahaha...
@WadeGHamilton
@WadeGHamilton 13 жыл бұрын
I'm Dana White. Listen okay you take a guy like Kimbo fucking Slice okay, he may not come from a great gym and world class fucking wrestling okay but he can knock you out with either hand, look what he fucking did to Bo fucking Cantrell. I have him #2. Listen I fucking love me some GSP, GSP is amazing, I have a fucking shrine of him in my living room, but you would have to be out of your mind to have him in the top 10 p4p list. It is what it is, it's a fact, it is what it is.
@CoolSebbe431
@CoolSebbe431 13 жыл бұрын
@itsfaith77 He beaten BJ Penn(one of the best LWs EVER) twice, Gray Maynard who has not lost yet and he is #2 in LW(i don't see anyone beating him but Frankie, maybe Cerrone...). He beaten Sean Shark, former LW-champion, Jim Miller.. Don't come talking about how he is fighting the same guys over and over when he beaten almost everyone of the top people in LW.. So jusr cause he doesn't finish his fights very often is left behind? Why is GSP so highly rated then?
@piratebri
@piratebri 13 жыл бұрын
@themainmang Dana says Jones is #3 P4P... thats nothing to be ashamed of. Fact is, Jones hasn't cleared out his division like Frankie has. He also has only 1 title defense under his belt. GSP hasn't been at all dominant. Every fight he has goes the distance. He doesn't fight to get the finish. He's a great athlete and role model but he just isn't dominating his opponents. He just jabs/steps back or LnPs.
@Njderig
@Njderig 13 жыл бұрын
@owenjohnsonjj So true! Pound for pound is such crap. Im tired of people throwing that dumb phrase around so liberally. It only matters who is THE best. And the best lightweight will never beat the worst heavyweight. There can only be one BEST fighter in the world and he has to be a heavyweight. I know people are gonna argue with me and tell me stupid shit like size doesn't matter when it obviously does or there wouldnt be weight classes.
@MADPURO
@MADPURO 13 жыл бұрын
before anything im a fan of both silva and sonnen...but blah blah sonnen is just looking for the most rep/money..hes doing it in a great way..im not gonna lie he hyped the fuck out of his Possible next match with silva next year or after talking about ending his own career or change silvas class..but i looked back when rampage and evans Had their issues, that shit was like a ticking time bomb everytime they set eyes on each other..and the outcome just seemed so fake..which is why wwe comes to up
@Aaronfx4
@Aaronfx4 13 жыл бұрын
@MmaSmarty87 yeah i do agree with you on all but i do beleive that cowboy needs a few more fights in the big time he seems too be having problems , pettis is awesome but still i dont think enough fights yet , guida is a wild man and he def does deserve it not sure about fightin styles crossing there, nate is just fresh back into 155 division after getting working by rory markuem"sp" and j lo is very wishie washie on his fights dude is never in a dull fight just cant string enough together
@CaptainCarling
@CaptainCarling 13 жыл бұрын
Dana keeps on about Frankie Edgar fighting in a class thats naturally heavier than his build, and thats what makes him P4P number 2, and yet Anderson Silva is fighting at a weight below where he should be imo. GSP fights where he belongs, and thats what gets me when people keep on about GSP vs Silva. Silva is natuarally 2 weights above GSP ffs
@WadeGHamilton
@WadeGHamilton 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny Are you kidding me... 7 of frankies 9 previous fights went to decision... And if getting rocked and caught by punches is "interesting" well shit, that doesn't make you any greater, it just shows you have holes in your game, GSP doesn't as you see how much he dominates, fun or not fun to watch.
@piratebri
@piratebri 13 жыл бұрын
@Superchillbromaski Not really. GSP had to climb his way back up after losing to Serra. Plus he doesn't go for the finish. He plays it safe. You lose points for that. Jon Jones is #3 because he's only had 1 title defense. I'd say Edgar deserves #2. Who would you put at #2? Lemme guess, Fedor? GTFO of here buddy
@avengedownt
@avengedownt 13 жыл бұрын
@texas4life88 it doesn't matter that frankie edgar finishes fights, gsp picks his opponents apart systematically, in my opinion gsp is ranked #1 p4p, he would destroy anderson silva if they fought, no disrespect to anderson silva because he is a great fighter and i like him a lot but gsp would destroy him
@bjapan96
@bjapan96 13 жыл бұрын
@finerbiner ya i had time to think about that post and you have to consider some of the people who go up and down in weight who could potentially win a belt in the division ie. aldo, edgar, gsp, jones so p4p is good i guess, but it all depends on what your standards are mine for example are record and title defenses so aldo edgar jones bla bla bla bla
@MmaSmarty87
@MmaSmarty87 13 жыл бұрын
Dana preaches how he gives us fans what we want "You want it You Got It" (Diaz vs GSP) and yea part of that was Diaz's faulllt but in the end Dana chose his ego of BIG BOSS MAN over the fans..now as a fan i would scream 155 Tournament of the 6 men i listed below..Melendez as a alternate..but i know i would be screaming into death ears =/
@GinGeeK
@GinGeeK 13 жыл бұрын
gsp is the greatest WW of all time ...but gets disrespected time and time again ...makes me fucking sick ..goes to show how far off from an actual sport it is and beating fucking gray maynard after almostl osing to him doenst make you #2 p4p ..and i love frankie but dana is high
@MrTechnicalFighter
@MrTechnicalFighter 13 жыл бұрын
@random5299 I guess thats your opinion..In my opinion Jones poses more of a threat to anderson because not oly can he strike with anderson...he would destroy him on the ground..Jones throws EVERYBODY around on the ground. Only guy posing a threat to Jones is Phil Davis whom could also beat anderson
@WadeGHamilton
@WadeGHamilton 13 жыл бұрын
"Frankie has beat everybody at 155" ... BJ Penn and Gray Maynard is everybody at 155 the most stacked divison there is???... Yikes didn't know he beat Guillard, Melendez, Lauzon, Pettis, Henderson, Diaz, Siver, Guida... Crazy Dana, when did those fights happen
@Suckmyleftbean
@Suckmyleftbean 13 жыл бұрын
@Cold12345 no edgar is better than gsp because hes got such a good will and pound for pound he is one of the best. gsp always dominates he doesnt ever get put in trouble. frankie constantly gets downed and put in tough positions and he bounces back and wins the fight. thats being a great p4p fighter.
@Tommy9834
@Tommy9834 13 жыл бұрын
Ahhh Dana is just feeling the buzz of Edgar just getting the K.O. Once the buzz goes down in a few weeks, he's gonna be like "I put Edgar ahead of GSP? What the hell was I thinking?" Of course he's never gonna come out and admit it, but I know that is what he'll be thinking.
@poganla123
@poganla123 13 жыл бұрын
@TmanRabey yh and i agree with you but i can understand why dana will say edgar, basically gsp is bigger than almost everyone he fights while edgar is smaller than every single person he fights and thats what pound for pound is, to fight guys bigger than you and beat them aswell as fight dudes ur size
@MmaSmarty87
@MmaSmarty87 13 жыл бұрын
@Aaronfx4 The Number 1 contender for 155 isnt certain yet..that is the most stacked division in the ufc..Henderson is 1 of a few that want to make that claim..CowBoy Cerone, Pettis, Nate Diaz, Guida, Henderson, Lauzon looked good lastnight...and Gilbert Melendez will soon be in that mix!!!
@Truetheist
@Truetheist 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny Wow, you just called a dominant UFC champion scared?? You must be tough, I want your autograph.
@cyclonepowda94
@cyclonepowda94 13 жыл бұрын
No way is edgar p4p number 2,i would put aldo ahead of edgar on the list.jones vs machida is going to be a big fight,tbh i think jones will run through him,this guys just a beast and hes so unpredictable i do not see any weaknesses in his game.
@g111314
@g111314 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny umm no Gsp has beat and basically walked thru fith,alves,Hughes,shields oh and the only guy who both have fought is Bj Penn oh and lets not forget GSP made him quit unlike Edgar who he had to fight twice both times to decision.
@trentman9763
@trentman9763 13 жыл бұрын
Dana want GSP to move up to 185, thats why he replaced GSP at #2 with Edgar, Dana is smart he praises what he likes, and his "pound for pound" talk was a message to GSP basically "If u wanna be remembered as the greatest you HAVE to do things like this"
@thetruthis9
@thetruthis9 13 жыл бұрын
Dana doesn't understand why Canadian companies don't sponsor GSP...THAT'S LAUGHABLE... why should they when you are just gonna ban their logo's in the octagon or cut the fighter b/c you don't like the sponsor...smh...
@thehighground_
@thehighground_ 13 жыл бұрын
lol @ Frankie at 2 P4P. He's beaten 2 top 10 fighters, one of which he's 1-1-1 against. That's not what makes you a p4p fighter. Anderson Silva is the only person that has more top 10 wins than GSP. Get real.
@Raphinater
@Raphinater 13 жыл бұрын
@TheJugly there is no point. Chael deserves the fight with silva. belfort doesnt have shit on anderson. chael does. people want to see the rematch between chael and silva not watch vitor get face fucked by anderson's foot
@MyDeArmAsTeR1
@MyDeArmAsTeR1 13 жыл бұрын
@BarackMcBush so you want fighters to not be themselves? the ufc is great because its real. if there are rivalries or not, its up the fighters, no one should tell them what to do. i think you should just go watch wwe
@Ninetails66
@Ninetails66 13 жыл бұрын
Honestly in that first round I think Edgar was out on his feet for like 3 secs because of the look he had when he took that first shot from Maynard. Big Props to Frankie for that win. Awesome fight!!
@AndyinMTL
@AndyinMTL 13 жыл бұрын
@WadeGHamilton Remember when brock came out?Wait in 2 weeks you will hear him say that GSP is the greatest fighter in the history of combat sports! dana talk a lot of shit sometime! Edgar no.2 P4P? please
@b2e1z
@b2e1z 13 жыл бұрын
gsp is canadian, CANADIAN, just be happy he is relevant at all eh. he cant protect his glass jaw with 25 minutes of tackling and expect any respect from anyone outside of the great lame north eh.
@TheRealAlanPartridge
@TheRealAlanPartridge 13 жыл бұрын
Im absolutely sick of ufc pundits going on about "P4P" Im starting to cringe and yawn at the same time everytime it comes out of peoples mouths...it gets said nearly as much as Joe Rogan says "Tremendous"
@HimalayanKenny
@HimalayanKenny 13 жыл бұрын
@willeblink GSP isn't fun to watch. He sits on you for 25 minutes. Edgar actually makes fights interesting and legitimately wins. GSP is too scared to even attempt to finish anyone.
@poganla123
@poganla123 13 жыл бұрын
@Cold12345 not better. pound for pound doesn't necessarily mean better. for example jus cause jose aldo is top 3 pound for pound doesnt mean he is better than jon jones or cain valesquez.
@bjapan96
@bjapan96 13 жыл бұрын
top 10 is ridiculous it should be top of the weight class and thats its champ and thats it no one is better than the other since they are all in their own weight class
@XxPropheticxX
@XxPropheticxX 13 жыл бұрын
I would like to see Vitor Belfort against Chael Sonnen, and then the winner would get a title shot. I think that makes most sense and it's a great setup for the fans :)
@Aaronfx4
@Aaronfx4 13 жыл бұрын
lets see some benson henderson vs frankie only makes sense he just got threw working jim miller over who was one win away from a title shot and henderson worked him
@tlapointe8
@tlapointe8 13 жыл бұрын
How is edger the number 2 best pound per pound fighter in the world ok lets settel this edgar move up to 170 and then see if dana calls him number 2 in the world
@jiggyy
@jiggyy 13 жыл бұрын
Edgar's last two fights involved him fighting to a draw and losing two rounds 10-8. No way is he #2 P4P, I have every other UFC champ ahead of him on that list.
@Steven1992ization
@Steven1992ization 13 жыл бұрын
@alreacon "also i dont know how you decided aldo weighs more" Edgar naturally weighs 145, whilst Aldo Struggles to cut weight down to 145, you do the maths.
@TheLockon00
@TheLockon00 13 жыл бұрын
Yup, Edgar has beaten everybody like Clay Guida, Kenny Florian, Shinya Aoki, Anthony Pettis, Ben Henderson and Gilbert Melendez. Oh, wait......
@someperson111
@someperson111 13 жыл бұрын
I love Chael, one of my favorites perod but he is getting a pissed off Anderson Silva and uhhhhhhhhhhhhh that's a bad thing to be up against.
@superchodemonkey
@superchodemonkey 13 жыл бұрын
@theprodigyPR thank you!! fuck! its absurd to have edgar at #2 p4p... cool defend your belt twice and now youre a top p4p, doesnt make sense!!
@droshow
@droshow 13 жыл бұрын
Melvin Guillard lost a Fan he truly went in there thinking he won the fight already.!
@omgstoptakingnames
@omgstoptakingnames 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny your dissin gsp when edgar is the same exact way, this is his first knock out and he's usually a boring fighter too.
@psblove
@psblove 13 жыл бұрын
Dana could careless about a religious holiday. He's an Atheist gotta love that. " don't go overboard with that shit" Dana White.
@idkmybffjv
@idkmybffjv 13 жыл бұрын
@TheRy4an Ohh, is that the official list of fighters Burger King wants to sponsor? Because they've already signed Anderson.
@Steven1992ization
@Steven1992ization 13 жыл бұрын
@alreacon aldo weighs more then edgar, and edgar is dominating the lightweight division, how do you not have Edgar higher p4p
@ikebanaJc
@ikebanaJc 13 жыл бұрын
I know where Isreal is, but I bet you that many ppl would first think that Ariel is muslim 1rst and maybe guess jewish second.
@theaxemurderer110
@theaxemurderer110 13 жыл бұрын
"Edgar Beat everybody"? WTF, when did he beat Pettis, Guida, Lauzon, Diaz, Henderson, Miller.... Dana got caught in the moment
@CoolSebbe431
@CoolSebbe431 13 жыл бұрын
@itsfaith77 How can Frankie be behind Jon Jones? How can Jon Jones be behind Cain, Cain hasn't even defended his title yet.
@Bulsebub
@Bulsebub 13 жыл бұрын
Dana you dont know what pound for pound means..... and frankie is a 155 pounder, its like me saying Fedor was a 185 pounder
@brknspacebar
@brknspacebar 13 жыл бұрын
well, Im Canadian, and it doesn't bother me what Dana thinks about GSP or Edgar.....Ariel instigating pisses me off more
@iM0nst3r
@iM0nst3r 13 жыл бұрын
@thnk4urself i agree. but i dont hate Edgar anymore. i have a lot of respect for him based on his will power alone.
@slifer248
@slifer248 13 жыл бұрын
Why do i feel like Dana is eventually gonna get shit about the religious comments at the beginning of the interview
@801TheOutlaw801
@801TheOutlaw801 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny he is fun 4 me 2 watch i like watching jits matches 2... so he isnt fun 4 u 2 watch just sayin
@ianman6
@ianman6 13 жыл бұрын
@WUTZELFUTZEL He doesn't give an answer when he doesn't have one. What do you want, a treat boy? Good boy!
@Revaz91
@Revaz91 13 жыл бұрын
real p4p list 1 Chael 2 Sonnen 3 The real middleweight champion 4 Paulo (wtf?) 5. A Koed Wandy 5
@themainmang
@themainmang 13 жыл бұрын
How is Frankie #2 pound for pound? He hasn't been dominating his fights unlike GSP and Jon Jones..
@DaRealFiberOptix
@DaRealFiberOptix 13 жыл бұрын
id love to see him fight at 45 too but jose aldo would fuckin slaughter him 45 is way more stacked
@Rayrulesohye
@Rayrulesohye 13 жыл бұрын
@harrydunstan GSP fights weaker opponents, look at hi last 4 or 5 opponents compared to Edgar's
@SchultzAnders
@SchultzAnders 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny Maybe he is boring to watch! But is he losing? He wins by far in every fight.
@MrJR2309
@MrJR2309 13 жыл бұрын
LOL I love Ariel Helwani. I wish they included the retake in the clip. That'd been funny.
@EskimosTV
@EskimosTV 13 жыл бұрын
Ariel you instigator, Chael never said that Dana told him. He claimed he has his 'sources'.
@Pk3llz
@Pk3llz 13 жыл бұрын
P4P Ranking 1. anderson silva 2. jose aldo 3. jon jones 4. gsp 5. cain velasquez ...word
@kevinandperry2
@kevinandperry2 13 жыл бұрын
@TheRealAlanPartridge And it gets said more than Dana White says "We'll see what happens"
@vi3tguy94
@vi3tguy94 13 жыл бұрын
If 45 is so stacked, why is there only one dude people are considering for aldo to fight?
@hummurabi2010
@hummurabi2010 13 жыл бұрын
@excelx213 1. Dylan 2. Dylan 3. Dylan 4. Dylan and 5. Dylan because he spits hot fire.
@pjo12
@pjo12 13 жыл бұрын
@ikebanaJc what????? you don't what your talking about hey. do you know where isreal is?
@gracilism
@gracilism 13 жыл бұрын
@ehtax I think he was referring to the Sandy Kofax comment, not his religious beliefs.
@GinGeeK
@GinGeeK 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny yea he totally sat on shields and kos ...why are you failing so hard?
@AgentSpiral
@AgentSpiral 13 жыл бұрын
so many people are hating jesus. getting worked up over something like a p4p ranking..
@BigBrueser
@BigBrueser 13 жыл бұрын
So if Dana says Frankie is the number 2 P4P fighter, then is it Silva vs Edgar now?
@TinyTitian
@TinyTitian 13 жыл бұрын
Dana THIERS NO SUCH THING AS RING RUST.Well for Ppl under 36.
@finerbiner
@finerbiner 13 жыл бұрын
@bjapan96 It is nothing official. Just something to BS about. What's the problem?
@TmanRabey
@TmanRabey 13 жыл бұрын
LOL Gsp has accomplished so much more than edgar, hes been dominating for years
@fozzit
@fozzit 13 жыл бұрын
@theaxemurderer110 he beat griffin, miller, franca, penn, sherk, and maynard...
@Modaragamage7
@Modaragamage7 13 жыл бұрын
i wanna see king mo vs rampage, henderson vs guida, and diaz vs pettis in japan.
@Grnvolpe
@Grnvolpe 13 жыл бұрын
@TheRy4an why ss Roy Nelson #2? I can guess this isn't your pound 4 pound list
@801TheOutlaw801
@801TheOutlaw801 13 жыл бұрын
@HimalayanKenny i do agree 100% that frankie is 100X more fun 2 watch recently
@Deadletter6
@Deadletter6 13 жыл бұрын
p4p means nothing Anderson Silva would get his shit rocked by Cain Velasquez
@80katrillion
@80katrillion 13 жыл бұрын
Rashad vs the winner of the Shogun- Henderson fight. Make it happen Dana.
@ikebanaJc
@ikebanaJc 13 жыл бұрын
Shit, I thought Ariel was Muslim, guess he's a middleeastern looking Jew.
@Immortalsyn83
@Immortalsyn83 13 жыл бұрын
@Superchillbromaski When GSP starts beating middleweights or Jones fights heavyweights their P4P rank will move up. Edgar is a small fighter for his weight class & has beaten 2 UFC lightweight champions.
@vincentvalentine2939
@vincentvalentine2939 3 жыл бұрын
9 years later and u Werent far off
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