I Immediately Regret Switching to the Ronin 4D

[@CAPTAINDRONE798]

The back focus has a simple fix and that is to go to the LENS menu and select NA for lens in use. I also bought the DJI zoom lens and it took me an hour to figure out the issue and I was also disappointed that all the KZbinrs who received the FREE sponsored DJI products never mentioned it in their videos.

[@tom_ep]

Make sure the lens profile you're using is NA and do not calibrate it. Ours works perfect. This also applies to other lenses like our Sony 55 1.8. Flawless autofocus.

[@heyty]

This!

[@buddyfx7026]

Yup! Not that DJI isn't hard to work with but 100%

[@everonproducties]

How do you uncalibrate the lens? Or is that not needed when just set to NA

[@ericneo2]

You've discovered the issue I have with tech reviewers on KZbin. None of them talk about the cons or faults of a product anymore. They only advertise the products. You want a new camera? Sorry that Sony camera only does 50p and 10 minute recordings, why does nobody talk about this? You want 60p and longer recording sorry you need the US only version of the same camera but no one is going to tell you that.

[@ericneo2]

@@potatorigs2155 And you're clearly trolling.🤡

[@zivzulander]

This seems to be more of an issue with companies that can gatekeep access to their products, which typically is going to happen more with very expensive products like this that reviewers are less likely to just go out and buy retail. So I don't think this is true across all of tech, but it probably is more prevalent in cinema/production cameras than smartphones, computer components, laptops, etc.

[@daniellove162]

I love KZbin tech reviewers. I get the dopamine hit of buying the new gear by just watching the reviews. I watch enough to get tired of the product before spending a dime. By the way if people REALLY kept buying useless gear merely because KZbinrs told them too the resale market would have loads of cheep barely used gear. It doesn’t.

[@CoalitionGaming]

You must be watching all the wrong channels to get your info lol. Gerald Undone, Dpreview/PetaPixel, and Camera Conspiracies go over stuff like exactly what you listed all the time.

[@ericneo2]

@@CoalitionGaming Congrats on finding some you consider exceptions but they are not the majority.

[@1TheIceman1]

I would be more than pissed after spending that money on a cinema grade kit...

[@MichalOlender]

Yeah, reading instructions before using a complex machinery is way overrated these days...

[@neomamuro]

Well, KZbinrs that highlights flaws do not get stuff to review (unless you're LTT or MKBHD). Some of the best product reviewers I follow have horrible subscriber counts, and even they do have a tendency to put their criticism in a "positive" light, rather than the "burn all 'em bridges" approach Gamers Nexus is trying to take.😅

[@BLAXPHOTO]

Interesting, I’ve had this camera for a while and never experienced “back focusing”. I did have an issue where I accidentally built a profile for the lens but learned that you don’t and shouldn’t use a profile.

[@Joechungphotography]

Why is this? Did it look worse than the standard color profile?

[@BLAXPHOTO]

The 17-28 is profiled in the firmware I believe, so there isn't a need and if you do, the lens doesn't respond properly. BTW I love this camera and use it a lot. I have footage on my channel, granted I'm not some epic video editor / colorists.@@Joechungphotography

[@MrXDyDlax]

why no youtuber talk about that ? well simple, they get paid, most youtuber will automatiquely remove most bad thing, as some of you said the youtube tech is a dark area, we can't trust youtube for honest review that why we should research on most platform possible, forum, social media... as we can, btw I suspect some youtuber to not testing at all, some just turn it on, do a video and that it

[@momo_kourikch]

To solve the lens back focusing problem, just go to the lens calibration menu (when the lens is mounted) and put it on N/A. 👍🏽

[@scottjohnson3017]

This is why you always rent before going all in on an Ecosystem, in order to see how well it integrates into your workflow.

[@HezJP]

This isn’t a cine camera. I think the key defining factor of a “cine cam” is reliability. Your camera is responsible for the pay of everyone in the room - without a video, their jobs (and the clients money) are for nothing. Not a reliable setup if a firmware update doesn’t get released to fix a mission critical issue

[@mwal853]

Same goes for RED then, those cameras are also known to be unreliable, besides being an overpriced ecosystem and terrible company.

[@sergiosanchez2012]

The issues he´s having is with autofocus, which is not reliable in any system outthere, not even Sony´s... If you manual focus, as in actual cinema sets, the camera is amazing and more versatile than any camera I´ve used. And I´ve used most of them for feature films, commercials and network TV series.

[@Newvision-ck9cr]

@@mwal853 reds discography says different

[@SouthernLocks]

This cam set up is ahead of its time. Reminds me of the very first $400 iPhone where it was new to jave a crazy data plan with no insurance protection and you had to buy at ATT. You also had to jail break your phone and that voided out the manufacturer warranty. If you brike your phone, the only replacemwnt plan was buying a refurbished iPhone. People eventually adapted and paid. $400 was a crazy peice for a cell phone at the time and people paid for it. Most those issues got resolved pewtty quickly

[@CrackstationFilms]

You don’t have to keep it at 17mm just have to calibrate what focal length you are in

[@justin555666]

You’ve inspired me to continue building my camera rig myself. Most of the Ronin features can be accomplished by cobbling a bunch of stuff together from different manufacturers.

[@aarongraham238]

I've been watching for years, and I don't remember seeing the car reviews. Was that when Hot News and UFDTech were different channels?

[@Lycan3303]

camera cost more than my car

[@RandallMeredith]

Thank you for bringing up these problems. I have decided not to purchase this product at this time.

[@M2008tw]

You can go a long way with a tripod. Think about the framing and which camera settings you will use, decide which of these will work for the story you want to tell. If you do it well, it will be more cinematic - when do you need a hand-held camera? Maybe for your B-roll and your DJI Ronin with spider web 😊 comes into its own if you want to stabilize the shot. Oh yes, lighting and focal point - right now there is far too much that takes attention in the picture.

[@ytmaxxammo8591]

Ya because those “KZbinrs”are being sponsored by DJI.

[@null8759]

Sorry for your discovery post purchase, I'm sure that hurts, but watching you let DJI have a piece of your mind made me go, "OH HECK YEAH!" We need more tech reviewers like you folks.

[@Argosh]

DJI is just overall a company to avoid. They overpromise and underdeliver as a company creed...

[@frankcunha6215]

Have these negative issues been resolved since you posted this video?

[@jefegreenheart2705]

this could have been an 8 minute video.

[@patrickfougere0001]

Why did you not find the issue in other KZbin videos?!?!?!?! THEY GOT PAID BRO......... Dji:"Hey youtuber leave out that backfocus thing we're working on it and it will be fixed, also we won't pay you if you don't"....

[@Offheap]

man,bless you and your son. i hope your family lives a better ,longer life

[@curties]

messed up that a +7k camera doesnt work as intended. btw. the follow feat is kinda creepy xD

[@mikelay5360]

Software issues are 100% a deal breaker !. Such a shame for such beautiful hardware 😢 If sony and or canon copy that chicken neck its lights out for DJI

[@lakefraser]

3:27 Bro theres literally a cobweb on your gimbal lmao

[@nicholaschan9521]

pretty sure you can mount the transmitter under the ronin camera mount or just buy raven eye idk.

[@JonezyTV1]

🎯🎯🎯

[@DucDigital]

Are we gonna overlook those paid youtubers willing to ignore viewers in order to pocket some extra cash from DJI?

[@disco.jellyfish]

After considering its price you still really get A LOT even if its the 8K version, which is rather cheap at just ~12000 bucks. Of course not something a consumer would buy but definitely highly interesting for professionals. Its also very impressive that you can operate this alone rather easily. Sure its unfortunate that the backpack takes forever to come out but in the end you could still build one yourself and therefore benifit from a lot of its features at a cheap price. Since you are not shooting some blah blah broadcast news low budget production stuff but more like commercials and movies, etc. on something like this, you can bring a camera assistant to operate the focus and even the gimbal orientation for you. The only downside that matters in my usecase is the rather slow rolling shutter, at least with the 8K version. The 6K version has quicker rolling shutter at the cost of dynamic range and resolution of course.

[@megatryn]

3:31 Love that the gimbal has actual spider webs 😂🤣

[@mesut4466]

we put our swit video transmitter in to bottom of the camera where raven eye goes into. it works pretty well and no cable problems.

[@MrBaskins2010]

appreciate the investment your team is making to upgrade the overall quality of the content. never noticed any shake or instability, life is dizzying

[@speedbird737]

they just wanted an excuse to get the ronin - they had no need to

[@kinoromantic]

Off topic - "Yeah buddy join the club" is the saying coined by Blackmagic URSA shooters (4,6K and 12K) which hasn't been updated in YEARS and is their highest end cinema camera they sell so not only DJI. Pro camera companies are very slow on updates as they have many products they sell and support and they often play "favourites"

[@MyPortfolioNR]

Anyone know if these problems have been fixed yet ?

[@BattleThon]

Man I love my S1H I paid $6500 for the Panasonic LUMIX S1H & The LUMIX S Pro 24-70mm F2.8. I’d love this for the horizontal & vertical stabilization on the axis

[@wietsevisser270]

Did they now fix all these software problems that you mention? Ore still no updates?

[@FrazerBoorman]

Raven and DJI RS3 Pro Way cheaper, and gets everything you want. Tilta mounts for vehicle work

[@FrazerBoorman]

Internal zoom lenses for gimbal balancing

[@CNC-Time-Lapse]

The 4D is not a good value as it honestly is quite niche for what it is especially for the price. It has it's pros but some pretty big cons. I only know one person who owns one (DJI sent it to them for review) and their daily driver is still their URSA Mini Pro G2 because of the limitations the DJI has. I personally have a URSA Mini Pro G1 and a Pocket Cinema 6K G2 for run-and-gun (with wireless video) and for myself, that covers it and the price is way less. A Sony A7SIII is a great camera! Just toss the Cosmo C1 or Mars 4K on your belt and run a cable to it. No need to mount it to your gimbal setup. I mount my C1 on the back of my G2 inline with some rails and a custom bracket I milled on my CNC machine. Works great and keeps the rig light and less cumbersome.

[@arri_luki8520]

THIS IS NOT A CINEMA CAMERA....

[@averagememer7068]

wtf are you on

[@tarikkodokuna6570]

thx à lot I wanted to move from my Canon C70 to the Ronin 4D. finally when I see the seriousness of canon on my camera with more and more brilliant updates, we will wait later

[@adamgrunseth]

For the kind of production you are doing, and the needs you described, I really think you would be best off with a proper shoulder mount ENG camera, like the Sony PXW-Z450 or Panasonic AJ-CX4000.

[@LTULOfficial]

This camera was never what you needed

[@spdcrzy]

Question: is this only an issue on DJI lenses? Or an issue on all zooms? I wonder if DJI designed the LIDAR to only be used with primes originally, and then went OH FUCK when their lens division came out with the 17-28 power zoom.

[@906MediaProductions]

It doesn't do this with my Sony zoom, it's not a power zoom but it knows the focal length and it adjusts in real time.

[@spdcrzy]

@@906MediaProductions interesting. So it's not a sensor issue, it's definitely a lens issue specifically with that DJI lens?

[@NVAfilm]

3:40 the only reason gimbal is an issue for balance is because you are using the wrong lens. Switch to a cinema lens. When they zoom there is no increase in size.

[@temporarywindow]

This whole video is wrong, what do they even need raw video for. And even just Sony 16-35 PZ F4 is perfect for gimbals, internal zoom and its parfocal.

[@zivzulander]

[chicken neck achievement unlocked 🐔]

[@VeganLinked]

I have the Ronin S3 and raven eye attaches right underneath the camera perfectly and doesn't mess up the balance. Did you ever try that?

[@sloop24]

I think you should look into a ninja v and atomos connect module. You can get a lot of similar things such as cheaper ssds, remote monitoring, live streaming, a lot cheaper than that.

[@ivofernandes88]

In Europe would be easy to return it. Thats why in Europe we have drastic rules for corporates to give warranty and full support.

[@Recapsulate]

I’ve had to learn the hardway about KZbin reviewers. A lot of good reviews on shitty mics and what’s the deal with people swearing by Elgato. I’ve bought a lot of Elgato stuff and the only piece of equipment I haven’t had problems with is the teleprompter. Stream Deck is trash.

[@rolithesecond]

Get an easyrig and hook the fool cam to it. Not really worth spending so much and then not having the 4th axis.

[@itsdeonlol]

Nice camera stuff!

[@marklholloway]

Regarding HDMI audio out on the High Bright remote, the firmware release notes for August 2022 say “Added HDMI output audio ability for the remote monitor expansion plate.” You tried it and could not get it to work?

[@JoJo-og3zg]

Only this isnt a cinema camera. At all. Good luck doing your stuff guys.

[@mediabear]

the gyro control with the monitor seems completely silly. how/why would anyone ever use such a "feature" ?

[@TheLateral18]

All of that to film straight to brett during hot news? 😅 So 4k 60fps with HDR?

[@BloodyJoeMusic]

Like your critical stuff! More of it please!

[@raishul]

I bought first product Ronin S gimbal and found they did not allow to switch to front camera of the phone so that I can use the phone also as a monitor(sort of) during active track. They marketed raveneye for rs2 for the function which could be fixed by 2 lines of programming code. I did not buy any brand new dji product as of today as a protest.

[@gatosoul]

Hi, It feels like an abandoned platform, every extra part we buy for the Ronin 4D is overpriced and half-working working, the sensor is pretty much the same sensor as the Lumix S line or Sony FX6 or FX9, of course, every company debayer and color science in a different way the raw footage from the sensor. Thank you for Sharing!

[@scottievee330]

Honest. Bravo.

[@uralrider88]

If you want something that just works go for broadcast, JVC do a very nice kit the GY-HC900 at the low end and the Sony pxw z750 4k at the top end

[@gagz9k]

You build your character with full charisma, didn't? Man, I love your videos.

[@steevo435]

Also, annoyingly at 23 minutes, you've discovered that it only shoots in 17:9 aspect ratio. Another short-sighted mistake on DJI's part.

[@outfitterdigitalmedia433]

Keep the videos coming!!

[@lucariccidj]

thank you , you saved me spending $$$$$!Hope you solve ur problems with this system

[@JonezyTV1]

I have the rs2 gimbal with raveneye and a pocket 4k and even when using a vmount battery, it all balances fine. It makes zero sense that you would buy a Ronin 4d and spend thousands, and then not shoot raw.

[@nicholaschan9521]

Gotta need an excuse to buy the 4D 🤣

[@JonezyTV1]

@@nicholaschan9521 Yea, let's be honest, I'm jealous. Lol

[@camerariggingmods9667]

There is nothing like a good DIS video lol 🙏❤️

[@ChrisParayno]

Just a heads up, just because it's labeled a cinema camera doesn't make it a broadcast camera as well

[@jodajackson4489]

You,…you’re,….trying to replace Kyler,……? With a gimble??? OMG where’s Resse???

[@SooksVI]

I would return that. That's a lot of money to spend on "coming soon" features and bugs... considering it's already been over a year and none of them have been addressed.

[@bargh70]

Sony FX3: I refuse to NOT have perfect focus All the other: Focusing is your job stfu

[@mrt5393]

Make an example and return all of the fancy stuff until DJI fixed the backfocus issue. DJI has become one of those companies who push new products before fixing existing ones…

[@906MediaProductions]

I haven't had the backfocus issue since the last update months ago, I use it several times a week and haven't had a single issue for my use cases, which are doc/interviews/real estate, event coverage etc. It isn't a perfect camera, but dang is it close considering the integration and features.

[@wekkimeif7720]

@@906MediaProductions Majority of people still have under 4K resolution monitors :D So there is no big benefit of filming and releasing 4K - 8K content. Since only few people can actually see it in 4K or 8K. 1080p looks equally good to 4K if the bitrate and camera is good. KZbin just has bad bitrate and overall bad quality for 1080p

[@iammz81]

You use the wrong gimbal. A Weebill 2 would have served that setup easily.

[@mikedav178]

there are no return policies?

[@seanwhitevideo]

Great video! KZbin’s been sending me a ton of content on DJI stuff recently. Nice to see an honest review! Have you tried mounting your HDMI transmitter on the gimbal itself? If all else fails, just grab an easy rig and put a V-Lock battery on the back of your Sony mirrorless to dampen the shake! ❤

[@MichaelJohnsonProductions]

Thank you for calling out the KZbinrs. I hate that they do that

[@sambrandner]

I feel like you could just film with a tripod and zoom combo to make this way easier

[@AdamWeatherall]

That camera produces an image that looks like garbage though… I’m assuming this is raw or something like that but why does the raw look so much worse than that on the 03 air system camera?

[@mylesmarciniak1623]

As I agree with a lot of your concerns as I own this camera myself. The film industry would not be in most cases be streaming audio out of that monitor as its intention is to be a directors monitor / 1 AC monitor for pulling focus. What I do have an issue with is they are the Apple of cameras with all of the addons you need. including no SDI out on the main body of the camera or TC sync. One thing you do need to keep in mind this is a cinema camera first, not a streaming camera.

[@ExarchGaming]

They may just not have experienced the bug, or were using equipment that the bug did not effect. Has new firmware fixed the issue for you yet??

[@shotbyarian]

i am in a have and love relationship with DJI .. i would never buy anything else than drones from DJI, where there is just no alternative, but having to have different remotes for different DJI drones and so many other shit is just so bothersome

[@pilgrimheart]

Yet another KZbin 19:52 short that needs to be made just addressing this. We have this and didn’t know

[@Mr_Moka]

Given how much this system costs, I can't understand why this would be your filming solution. It makes absolutely no sense.

[@aodvisions]

I need help trying to figure out if I need to purchase pro res raw in order to use this or the other license keys such as cinema dng and cinema raw because it's so costly. I want to make sure I only get what I need to get. Any information helps. I plan on filming dance videos and weddings.

[@MarkHuynh7]

Dji KZbinrs are paid well if something like this was hidden

[@justonlyjohn6596]

Hmm, never hit the 4K _as why bother_ , but well... narrow DOF is more noticable AND WTF is falling from the ceiling? Wads of cottonballs? Switching back to 1080p and will just listen more than SEE. _bro, set is a mess!!!_ Hey... not going anywhere, just say'n edit: shot your load at @10:50 and gotta say... impressive stabilization, not like I know anything but it was kind of spooky to see how well that expensive kit works - not a videographer and even my dumbA is impressed edit: system updates/issues/formats... umm, just wondering how much does it cost? easy to find out $6,200 - $6,800 - OH, those are YOUR issues, never will be mine - bugging out as it's not made for me, and that's OK. For others who are _(for lack of a better word)_ Creators, I'm sure this is priceless info. Be back soon for more consumer tech news. _(sup w/depricating Hot News - didn't even notice the change - my bad)_

[@06racing]

Apparently he didn't hear that they have already kinda discontinued it.

[@amosjovt]

Noo :o

[@906MediaProductions]

It's not discontinued, they've been slowly releasing more accessories and updating it this whole time. Look at the Inspire line, that's likely going to be the release timeline for these too.

[@LMActionsports]

Man I’ve been saving up a bunch of money to purchase this camera and to see what all the KZbinrs did not show these problems in their reviews is truly heartbreaking. That’s $11,000 worth of camera and accessories for it not to work correctly. And for the KZbinrs not to explain this or show what’s going on Pisses me off because I’ve watched just about every review out there to help me decide on my first cinema camera. I love that it has the gimbal built-in and you can use Sony e mount lenses. But for them not to update the firmware shows that they don’t care about their clients. Now I’m going to either go buy a Sony FX6 or invest in a red Komodo. I’m thinking it’s going to be the FX6. So sorry for all you guys that invested so much money into it and you all are having the same issues.

[@McarthurBeard]

I’m doing the same as you everything you said is how I feel

[@LMActionsports]

@@McarthurBeard yeah it's bullshit dji hasn't fixed this yet after a year now. Sony Fx6 is probably going to be my best bet. The variable ND is so buttery smooth to use and I already have a few cfast cards from my A7rv and A7iv and just about every prime lens. It would be crazy for me to switch to a different ecosystem.

[@ego1356]

For your pure honesty. I subscribe

[@LuDawgg]

There are plenty of existing backpacks on the market for the Venice 😊

[@sergiugheorghe6835]

Bro that spider web on the ronin rs3 :)) epic

[@BoomMC_Inc]

Was there a spider web in your gimble? I would use it if it needs a new home.

[@SimplestUsername]

I'm curious, you have a camera operator. As a host, why is there a need to view yourself on a monitor?

people don enjoy hand shake camera in youtube, but they really like in tv/streaming series and movies, so dumb situation.

[@GrimoireTattoo]

Any updates to your firmware issues?

[@BillStreeter]

You can't mount the video TX to the handle of the Ronin instead of on top of the camera? That's what I do.

[@infoxic]

DJI is working on this firmware fix.

[@scottjohnson3017]

Actual link for this information or is this just "Trust me, bro" ?

[@906MediaProductions]

​@@scottjohnson3017I have the updated firmware on mine, at least on my Sony lenses the backfocus is gone.

[@moicel32]

I work as a 1. Assistent Camera for features and Commercials. Yeah it makes good Pictures. But God no its far from what "Professionals" are using and you learned it the hard way why the Ronin 4D is a really bad Product for using it for more than just beeing a "one man show". Dont get me wrong it would have been better if you just bought a Red Kommodo with full Rigging or a Z Cam.

[@KeithJBrett]

Have you resolved all the issues?

[@TheConstructiveCritic888]

There’s something about the footage coming from this DJI Ronin camera that I strongly dislike. It’s the movement and the general image I keep seeing… bothers me…