Uglies Feels A Decade Too Late

[@evelyns5258]

in the books, the pretties looked uncanny and insane not just a bold glamour filter. I kind of wish they went *ALL* the way in.

[@zachanikwano]

Imagine the prosthetics. Assuming it was feasible

[@beepboop2842]

they shouldve been more doll looking like full on plastic

[@strxwbxrry_420]

Exaggerated characters for the pretties, that make them look uncanny and as if they’d be replaced by a confused-looking doppelgänger

[@novakitty1619]

I mean, they were still pretty though. Just like cartoonishly so. They weren't like, scary looking. I feel like people are just rehashing these lines not really knowing exactly what they're talking about. I mean, the movie *is* ass tho, don't get me wrong

[@eringrl101]

@@novakitty1619yea I’m pretty sure there’s a bit in Pretties where Shay gets her weird ruby backward clock eye implants and Tally then starts thinking about the limits, like they aren’t allowed to stray too far from the ideal and that surgeons wouldn’t do anything creepy-that is until she becomes a Special

[@maemadl54]

The “let me talk to him!” scene has the same vibes as the “Noah stop! This isn’t you!” scene from the kissing booth

[@sseraphim2818]

She acts the same one note way in these teen movies. She even sounds the same tonally in Uglies. I can't distinguish Tally from Elle. And Elle and Tally from Joey King, herself.

[@anzuklutz]

​@@sseraphim2818I wonder if she's a nepo baby?

[@maemadl54]

@@anzuklutz that would explain why she gets so many roles

[@AW-xc1xc]

@@anzuklutzAllegedly she knows someone high up in the ranks at Netflix, take that as you will.

[@strxwbxrry_420]

@@sseraphim2818 That explains why I don’t like her (as an actor, she’s bad)

[@jockohomosexual]

Getting queerbaited by Uglies is like losing chess to a dog

[@meegsoteegs]

Pat? :)

[@bruna7534]

They tried queerbaiting? I guess it was so bad I had no idea

[@JesstyEissej]

i had to constantly remind myself of that while watching it, but by the end i was convinced the actor playing shay 100% knew what she was doing. probably no one else was in on it though, including king

[@WarlockCouncilUnofficial]

HONESTLY! I kept telling myself that "no, this is just bait, it's just bait," but it was just such convincing bait, the dog was utilizing en passant and castling

[@nootnewt9323]

@@JesstyEissejto be fair Tally and Shay have a pretty interesting relationship in the books. It could’ve been written as a lesbian story but it was 2005 and queer lit for kids was still nonexistent and the author wanted his self insert to be the love interest lol.

[@beth-bi9yv]

Of course Netflix will give this a second movie, they only cancel series we ACTUALLY want to watch.

[@SorchaRattigan]

The brothers sun I’m looking at you 😮😮

[@loveriley]

RIP The Society 🪦😔

[@user-pv8xt2lx1o]

@@loverileyRIP 😢

[@oceanfs7296]

At the end, she smiles like she's saying "heh, yeah, you're gonna come back for more". We will not. we won't come back for more.

[@sseraphim2818]

In fact we will be going far, far away

[@sari9645]

I’ve seen comments on other videos suggesting this would’ve made for a great animated movie and I totally agree. The way the pretties are described in book just isn’t easily translated into live action

[@k-onlegacy]

The Lucky Day Forever animated short is what I'm reminded of 👀

[@drewbrown3116]

preferably, I would say it be animated like a mocap animated movie (u know, Polar Express), cause I'd say it would def add a lot to the pretties, I don't mind 2D, but I'd say it would make things a little too pleasing or beautiful.

[@dotcal1405]

Harry I hope you know I spent this entire video thinking “this is just like Bad Cinderella”

[@toyosibee.mp3]

YHERJKHDASJKFHKJDS THE THOUGHT THAT IF YOU FAIL A VISION EXAM, THEY JUST K*LL YOU IS CREASING ME

[@00evaunit]

so glad im not the only one that thought casting laverne cox as the big bad was odd

[@dinahb1170]

I mean, I don't think anyone was forcing Laverne Cox to take the role

[@00evaunit]

@@dinahb1170 a casting director had to make a conscious decision to cast a trans woman as the villain of the anti surgery movie, that's what i take issue with as a trans person myself.

[@luv4eva1111]

it does seem a little shady tbh

[@sanskritikondilya9036]

14:09 "The book is twenty years old so it's probably too young to be cast in the movie" LMAOOOO

[@crow6558]

As someone who read the books Tally and Shay are the first lesbians I remember shipping at the tender age of twelve... they need to greenlight the sequel solely so you can all see their true power

[@rebeccawilder844]

"listen to train on a loop... pretty sure train on a loop is just a monorail" such a good dad joke

[@aprillittle7552]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the chemistry between Shay and Tally. When Tally kissed David I was like where did that come from???

[@joelman1989]

Isn’t that like a religious leader take advantage of his pupils? When he held her face I was like “eeeeeeeeeeeeeew” because that’s all I could think of.

[@bringoldshowsback]

I was waiting for the love triangle but it became an awkward trapezoid.

[@leahdavis9434]

No, at least not in the book. David is also a teenager and not even the actual leader​@@joelman1989

[@CleverUsername69420]

Isn’t his character supposed to be like 20 too? Even if it’s not out of nowhere, it’s still gross

[@Swabblydoo]

The fact that the actor for Tally doesn't even squint KILLS ME. They could've at least told her to squint or gotten an actor with actually squinty eyes

[@Swabblydoo]

as someone with actually squinty eyes it offends me so much lol, half the time my eyes look closed

[@oof5196]

Making a sequel would be crazy considering there is a whole plot point around shay's self harming cult called the "cutters"

[@harlomints7727]

WHAT LMAO

[@christineviolas]

a serendipitous nosebleed? hjm is so back

[@haylose]

his anya taylor joy moment omg

[@sarahk6666]

I remember reading the book series YEARS ago and I liked the books but I remember even back then thinking it would be impossible to make into a movie. Because I always took the "pretties" as being so unrealistic in the way they look, like the beauty standard was impossible to achieve without surgery and stuff. So the only way you can do that is with CGI and that would be very cheesy looking. And the specials were like kind of scary looking? Like I might be misremembering but I thought some of them had sharpened teeth and tattoos all over and a bunch of other enhancements?

[@fozzyspots]

It's very Capitol - hard to translate on screen without REALLY committing to making them ugly by our standards, ironically.

[@novakitty1619]

Yeah, the specials were all generally scarier and "harsher" looking than a regular pretty. The ones you're thinking about tho, with the sharp teeth and the pulse tattoos are the "cutters" 😬 they're the ones that would cut themselves to think more clearly and be "icy." that's the special group that shay was the "boss" of and tally is a part of. but also those modifications were extremely out of the guidelines of the pretty committee and when tally went to Diego, a different city, she was almost forcibly taken back into surgery again so they could remove those parts of her bc as i said, they were not allowed. a lot of the shit dr. cable did wasn't exactly allowed but bc the cities don't interfere with each other, it was never noticed by other cities and so was never put a stop to.

[@dwtardisallonsy]

It just sucks so hard because I LOVED the uglies books (granted, I have not read them since 2011 and my 13 year old judgement wasn’t like… good)

[@DH-dl3ll]

There are many laugh out loud moments for me in your video. I won't be pointing any out. You will just have to trust me.

[@emisformaker]

Thank you for providing vital entertainment while I'm so tired I can barely sit up. Also, it's hilarious that the premise of the movie hinges on passing an age threshold, basically meaning that it's adults (in the 'coming of age' sense) calling children ugly.

[@pipparussell1493]

I don’t understand why everyone makes dystopias so grungy looking. Why is everything beige in the future.

[@harlomints7727]

because what feels more dystopian than a world of grey and beige?

[@dinahb1170]

if they had taken they idea of what "pretty" meant in like a really extreme, uncanny direction and played this as a horror/sci-fi movie rather than some trite social commentary-thing, I could see it being a semi-interesting watch idk

[@LilithsCosmicLounge]

Yes!! What is the point of making it in space? It’s the same cliche take on society. I tried watching this movie and it was sooo boring 🥱 I didn’t finish it..

[@marinamaltez5464]

I've been waiting for this video since your letterboxd review

[@kebrinab13]

It literally took me seeing it onscreen to realize that shay...mighta been in love with Tally.😂

[@mamaya311]

I'm so confused by Joey King's career. How do you go from Bullet Train to this??

[@ryu_kaii]

me when she went from the act to the kissing booth franchise 💀

[@stretchmonster]

Steady paycheck, and some actors just like to always be working.

[@Lilcutiepie95]

@@stretchmonsterthis

[@chickenfoot2423]

it kinda makes perfect sense to me seeing as she was the worst part of bullet train😭 the accent was unfathomably bad

[@Arionthelady]

She was already a fan of the books and apparently she even was the executive producer for this movie.

[@spectralsaint]

Recognizing Joey King from the movie Wish Upon is really doing mental damage to me

[@emisformaker]

Aha! That's the one I know her from. Thank you!

[@RK-is1xp]

She was in crazy stupid love

[@hannahg3119]

i loved this book series as a kid but i think it’s not meant to be a movie. part of the whole point of the book is that the “pretties” are inconceivably perfect to a point where our modern celebrities deemed pretty would in that world be considered uglies. there’s no way to translate that into a movie because it’s supposed to look so artificially perfect that it is unimaginable to us

[@LONELYSTARURBEX]

maybe the real pretties were the friends we made along the way ❤

[@MechBlank]

um ACTUALLY those clues were rhyming couplets not limericks. unscubscribd for inaccuracy. (good video thank you harry james miller)

[@mickleon6925]

um who is harry james miller lol isnt this nose?

[@nasasjanitor]

that's the ironic thing about the plot of this book series - they are cirtising something still very present in our society and especially in hollywood. so of course, hollywood did a poor job in executing it. they butchered the message by sticking to their old ways. even in 2010 this would've been an awful movie.

[@akaErma]

I almost choked when you said Cankles lmao

[@dizzyella8204]

"Do they just kill people who have bad eye sight?" Oh- I'd be so done for (And Kankles WOULD 100% be my Ugly Nickname)

[@xxromanovaxx6682]

So this is basically "Number 12 looks just like you"-Twilight Zone episode, just longer and worse.

[@gilbej91]

I remember reading Uglies when it first came out and I was the target audience so I gobbled it up. But when I look back on some my YA dystopian media it makes me sad that the concepts were done so poorly. I love a good dystopia novel but the themes are handled so badly and every message is so heavy handed.

[@toril2160]

2:24 in the giver the people accepted and liked how society was (when they were being lied to about it)

[@my-V-]

You think the first step of making the uglies movie is casting people who are thought of a ugly, but that’s just me

[@my-V-]

I do think there’s something to be said about a character who dresses gender neutral being prettified by conforming to gender roles, but that’s all I got

[@emisformaker]

Or at least more average-looking than movie stars.

[@legsorcist]

actually i think casting some* conventionally attractive people works in the movie’s favour because the point is that the society makes everyone feel ugly naturally (regardless of how they actually look) as a means of control, so it’s a good way of subtly letting the audience know our standards are different to theirs, but they still kinda fucked it up so idk

[@sari9645]

The point is the uglies aren’t actually ugly, they’re just told they are so they’ll be forced to conform. I think casting pretty people actually helps highlight that

[@melovekittie]

@@sari9645 agree, but also the pretties look too normal. There's supposed to be a huuuuge visual difference, but in this movie you can't even tell. They're supposed have bigger eyes, different bone structure, etc. I think that's the root of the problem- you can't tell they're "uglies" because they look pretty similarly to how the pretties look

[@Lilcutiepie95]

I loved this book in middle school but I realize now it didn’t translate well to screen 😅😂

[@stretchmonster]

Directed by "McG." lol Dude out here with so much artistic rizz that he's evolved beyond using a complete name like Bono or Adele. Eventually he'll surpass mere mortals and just use a blank space. "Directed by"

[@eringrl101]

All I want in this life is for Netflix to adapt Scott Westerfeld’s vampire book Peeps. Half the book is spent thinking that Vampirism is transmitted through sex, the other half is a terrible realization that it’s actually by cats. A fever dream of a novel.

[@jofromthething]

I may not remember the books perfectly but I stg this isn’t what happens in them like I remember a different plot but I could be so wrong I refuse to google this

[@kebrinab13]

You're not wrong. Peris does not become a special, heck we don't even know about specials deeply before pretties. We know they exist after they come to the smoke but we don't have a name for them. Shay doesn't take tally with her to leave for the smoke, she tells her before she leaves from the dorms. Tally and shay actually rode the coaster before she goes to find the smoke so she ALREADY knows about the gap before the moment they show. Dr. Cable never says anything about the smoke having a weapon. There wasn't a holding place before the smoke, they get taken there by Rangers [who are the people who really have that helicopter] which who are actually who pick Tally up and sets the fire she almost dies in. Dr. Cable never came to the smoke and ordered AZ to be killed in public, they only find out he died after the raid. PERIS DOESNT DIE. HE DOESNT EVEN SEE HER REALLY BEFORE SHES PRETTY BESIDES WHEN SHE COMES OVER BEFORE HER BIRTHDAY That's all. I can think of right now lol as you can see I read the books hella

[@yeshummingbird]

@@kebrinab13 Yeah they did a REALLY bad job

[@kebrinab13]

@@yeshummingbird it'd like its bad....but iwanna see the rest of the series bc I need VISUALS 🤣🤣🤣 now if they mess up pretties then i have no faith for specials at all

[@yramismynamenowdealwithit]

Thank you, Harry for another great video on your criminally under-subscribed to channel 😗💖 ilysm, your videos always help my brain shut up and feel joy

[@evanevans5428]

OG Maze Runner is low key good tho

[@playdoh658]

The plot of this seems like something out of a dhar man video

[@jessicap9491]

the set up to this movie is giving me Tall Girl energy

[@madeinhere661]

It also had a Tall Girl actor in it

[@teewhiting8365]

I just want to say. The point isn’t that they are actually ugly. And beauty is subjective. It’s that they believe that they are because it’s been enforced into them since birth. And I do think the pretties didn’t really live up to my expectations. I mean I had pretty low expectations to begin with. These were some of my very dystopian books series when I was younger along with the unwind series so it sucks to see something you love so much be absolutely turn into trash. Or maybe it’s just the nostalgia for me idk.

[@beetlebob4675]

Oh man. Unwind will stay with me for life. That scene in the backyard when he was digging up the stuff that the kid stole? Ugh. My heart. 😭

[@yeshummingbird]

Right. There's this whole part in the original book where they even talk about how they choose how to make your face when you turn 16, by duplicating each side of your face, and seeing which one is "prettier"- and then giving you THAT look as the total. It's not that they're ACTUALLY ugly. It's that in that society, the LACK of augmentation (plastic surgery) is CONSIDERED ugly BY THEIR STANDARDS (but then under the surface, there is also the issue that the SMoke points out, about the brain lesions and stuff).

[@gracelament]

this was the good book, so I can't imagine the movies getting any better

[@asserm.8047]

im fucking crying the added clip where u comment abt randomly starting to bleed was so funny

[@SofiluProductions]

Bold glamour the movie is so perfect lmao

[@Uhohlisa]

Everyone needs to just to watch the Twilight Zome episode The Number 12 Looks Just Like You, which is also based on a short story. It’s the exact same concept done so much better.

[@strxwbxrry_420]

Im ugly and proud

[@LilithsCosmicLounge]

🥂

[@no_peace]

Two John Mulaneys: "Jealous??"

[@ames-inthe-grass]

i’m sooo happy you pointed out shay and tally’s chemistry omgggggg i haven’t even watched the film but i watched trin’s (lovell) video and she didn’t point it out 😭😭😭

[@bugaboo_daisy9000]

This movie could have had something to say 15+years ago when the books came out. They were very "of the time" teen sci-fi novels.

[@gggthsb]

I mean, I know Netflix is known for cancelling sequels and shows etc, but when we look at the track record of what got cancelled and what got sequels, I see a high likelyhood that we get to see Uglies 2...

[@22yearoldteenager]

keep making videos, so funny i laughing the whole way through :)

[@micahcheck]

the rapid progression of emotions i went through when i found out about the existence of this movie is pretty much indescribable.... i hope this video comes close bc i need some catharsis

[@ratwhisperer8667]

The second you mentioned Train I had 50 Ways to Say Goodbye stuck in my head

[@readwrecks]

I still kinda want them to keep making YA dystopian fiction though. I mean more new novels and more film adaptations.

[@frithfiver]

Just came across your channel, knew I'd be subscribing within the first minute

[@LITMasonEdits]

to be fair, i think the main point of casting laverne is that she's gorgeous, and a good actor. i dont think the character is even intended to be trans. trans actors should be able to play any role

[@Chibbykins]

They should. It's just an unfortunate connection can be made with what this character wants and what the Right would have us believe trans people want - forced surgeries on children

[@tarotsushima3332]

I think the point being made isn't that the casting choice was made with malicious intentions but that the implications are crazy once you give some more thought to it. A job's a job, it's just horrifying in hindsight.

[@hayleyhellbound9513]

Idk, something about the amount of KZbinrs and creators talking about it coupled with the amount of views ya’ll are getting on monetizing the movie tells me we’ll be getting a sequel and you’ll be making a video then too 🤭

[@MandVersusNature]

My brain after having loved Nostalgia Critic years ago: “The State Home for the Ugly?!?!?!”

[@everfluctuating]

18:21 fun fact, thats exactly how she ends up curing the lesions, just needed a placebo to do it.

[@rica3947]

i loved the books when I was in middle school and while I'm pretty sure I'd feel differently if I read them now, I do still feel kind of protective towards them lol. That's why I just don't watch the movie - so I can just keep the series in my head the way I remember it from like 15 years ago. I kinda wish they made the adaption animated, I think that would work better for the overstylized setting of the books and also for the transformation people go through with the different surgeries.

[@jayla1151]

i’m gonna be honest i don’t think ya dystopia will be having a comeback anytime soon considering the current state of like… everything💀

[@kekwa5409]

just clicked the video and the monorail joke immediately hooked me in. i will now listen to drive by until my ears bleed

[@czarlie287]

I love your videos man!

[@TotallyxKatiee]

How does tally get past the brainwashing? A thrill. Anything that gets the blood pumping. Shay? She starts self harming herself to get past it. I wonder if they’d include the self harming aspect of the story if they made pretties. I personally liked the series.

[@novakitty1619]

Wait I don't remember, I thought shay only started cutting herself n shit as a special?

[@TotallyxKatiee]

@@novakitty1619 no, that’s in pretties. She starts self harming to “stay bubbly,” which means rid herself of the brainwashing of the lesions.

[@peepaw0_0]

Someone give Joey King a good fkn script

[@gggthsb]

Well awesome, now I hate my birthday because I share it with those bafoons...

[@thedreammweaver6274]

There’s this short film called Human Form on KZbin that I think is a commentary on how widespread plastic surgery is in South Korea. The people with surgery all have similar uncanny exaggerated faces. I think something similar should’ve been done for this where the pretties look actually scary and outlandish and not pleasing to look at

[@megalodonMT]

All love to Laverne but casting a trans woman as the evil doctor who forces cosmetic surgery on teenagers is messed up 😭

[@bringoldshowsback]

It’s interesting cause I was thinking “is this what Trump meant by performing transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison” when the uglies were in prison waiting to became pretties

[@lizanoelle2643]

not to be a joey king hater, but she legit seems to be playing the same character from the kissing booth in this. like c'mon girl...

[@awhimsyreader9015]

Don't worry it's ok to be a Joey hater when the girl is literally a zionist

[@saoirse237]

I didn't even bother watching the trailer because I knew the movie would be horrible lmfaooooo I was OBSESSED with these books when I was a young teen and this movie would ruin them :// but I do want to go back and re-read these now though oooooooh

[@qkun]

There will be a sequel, joey king got 3 kissing booths, dont underestimate her netflix power!

[@LilithsCosmicLounge]

Noooooooooo!! 😭😭

[@22yearoldteenager]

SO EARLY YAYA HARRY JAMES IS BACK 😊

[@connormcdowell2]

Very good video, Nose

[@smeekyevie4348]

also the emotional moment where she just goes. Nose..... 🥺 i canNOT take it seriously

[@meredithjohnson2843]

Sooo the writer of this saw that one episode of The Twilight Zone “Number 12 Looks Just Like You” tweaked it just enough and made it into a book. Also kinda hilarious all the uglies are classically beautiful

[@novakitty1619]

Yeah, he saw a concept he thought was interesting and expanded it and made it into his own story. He openly admits to being inspired by the episode.

[@meredithjohnson2843]

@@novakitty1619 Wow! I just looked it up and it sounds like he wrote it and then when people were pointing it out he said something about it- I’ve never heard of the books or the guy but his concept was so close I could call it out- I don’t think that’s particularly good ethics as a writer to not give credit to your source material (before the book comes out) or at least make it transformative enough that it’s not a copy he just fleshed out a little more. I saw he claims he forgot about watching it but it’s so close it’s hard to believe.

[@DuchessWillow]

Yes.. finally a class of 2013 peer spitting FACTS.

[@yourmusekay3492]

what if it were a musical though.... Also I want to say (haven't finished the vid yet) that a lot of worldbuilding stuff you mention is from the book, which I would love to hear your thoughts on too! I'm not saying that means it's GOOD it's just, not the movie's fault lol

[@creatrixZBD]

A musical sounds strangely suitable don’t ask me why

[@illogicalconclusions]

I remember really liking the Uglies series, but considering there was already an attempt at making the movie back in the day that the author stopped because it wasn’t going well I’m not surprised Netflix would put out a shit adaptation

[@elijahosullivan1011]

i don't have anything to add but i will say i bought the plush from the Wish video and i love that star with my whole heart its honestly so good as a pillow for support when i work from home and i got it for a great price

[@unsightedmelodies6801]

The new Hunger Games movies aren't coming out of nowhere, the author released A Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes in 2020, and the movie released 3 years later. This next movie will be based on a book coming out in 2025. It's just a more planned adaptation after this first prequel did well with readers first, then viewers, and with how long trad publishing takes she probably wrote the 2025 release in 2021-2022.

[@bellib420]

I forgot I read these books 😭

[@avalonwarriormage35]

I think it helps that it's a decade late... If it came out five years ago it would just be late now it's almost rolling around to... Fresh?

[@Lonerstoner21]

I also read all the books I personally don’t remember a queer relationship. I remember reading queer books back then but I don’t remember one being in this series that might’ve been a reach guys or I’m wrong…

[@adeline.is.sleepy]

hope your nose is doing better

[@ShaneyElderberry]

It all feels decades old, because the story is clearly based on an episode in The Twilight Zone (season 2 episode 6, Eye of the Beholder/The Private World of Darkness, 1960).

[@sydneyanastasia3053]

man i wish they just made them gay :( like it’s been 20 years we rlly don’t need to stick to the lore of the book. and imagine having a gay dystopian movie like bro that would make this movie 50000000x better. i do honestly lowkey love this movie though but i like bad movies. maybe someone can write a good shayxsquint (i forget her actual name) fanfic????

[@Peridot420]

Oh I thought this was a Jake Doolittle video lmao

[@asquared2790]

Actually I believe that it’s believable that they look like high school students do you know how older looking high school students are nowadays dear god they look like they’re in their 20z already

[@LilithsCosmicLounge]

😂 😂😂😂😂

[@remi9401]

Sadly this is my parents favorite type of movie

[@dwtardisallonsy]

Can’t wait for Netflix to also ruin The Selection series 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@yeshummingbird]

The selection was so bad netflix'd probably actually do it BETTER (a feat in its own right)

[@dwtardisallonsy]

@@yeshummingbird I mean you’re not wrong

[@viviannes9152]

Whelp, guess I am going to be rereading this series as a 25 year old. Gonna be doing a mental comparison on hunger games world building and the correlation of societal implications surrounding it. Will report back with my thoughts 🫡

[@LazyRittz]

I was dozing off and thought you were 32 year old lol

[@georgimarcus7103]

they really could’ve made it work if they changed what the society in the movie’s beauty standards were. like that first episode of twilight zone. THAT would’ve been a good movie

[@Muted_Marcus]

Your nose started bleeding after you talked about a character called "nose"? That feels a bit predictable, or should I say, a little on the no- (gunshot)

[@12bree4]

NOOOOOO *i scream*

[@Mikirbee]

The chemistry with Tally and Shay was crazy wdym the messy gay situationship doesn’t go anywhere?🤨 Maybe it’s just the lesbian in me but I rly got no chemistry from Tally and David 😭 ?? Also cant wait for a sequel where we’ll get giga facetune Tally™️ there’s really nothing like a bad movie 🙂‍↕️

[@nootnewt9323]

Tally and Shay had romantic chemistry even in the books. But Scott Westerfield chose his self insert to be the love interest for reasons.