UK facing 'criminal justice meltdown' due to prison overcrowding

[@steveg7718]

UK is falling to F'ing Pieces due to our out of touch Deluded polititions. Keep letting em in whilst your letting em out!!!!!!

[@Professor-Scientist]

Aww

[@papamurrth1]

This is a decades long problem. And there's a "c" in politicians

[@mikeg2939]

Would deporting all foreign prisoners help matters?

[@ScottishRoss27]

Nope, there was 8,4 Million recorded crimes last year in England & Wales.

[@edwardbernthal160]

No but it is a wet dream for Reform supporters.

[@diorocks5858]

its what we do in the gulf as only uk wants them

[@Sophie-cw7bf]

Great idea who have no family here especially

[@metroidprime3863]

100%

[@Tisebb]

Sending people to prison for non payment of corporate fines should be scratched, not letting rapists and abusers out early Would be surely more appropriate?

[@byteme9718]

A better answer is to bring back debtors prisons.

[@simont1108]

Yes, I remember a retired reporter telling me that the amount of ' white collar/fingers in the till' imprisoned, was somewhat and somehow larger than he expected when he began his investigation.

[@toddhowarddressedasatellyt702]

I think labour have said that they won't allow a single violent criminal to go free early, this is only for more trivial things, like drug possession (which is what a large portion of prisoners were arrested for)

[@Tisebb]

@@byteme9718 For TV license’s, parking fines, Ulez none payments? Get a life

[@byteme9718]

@@Tisebb Why? The has to be consequences. I haven't had a TV licence since 2014 because I don't watch or record live broadcast TV. I choose to stay within the law so why should others break it and get and get away without punishment?

[@thepiehunter2633]

How many in the prison where born in the uk?? Send them home

[@leecudmore-ray6697]

they are sending them home........

[@jeffholt9437]

​@peterholden3672And how many are first generation UK born?

[@shelleyscloud3651]

@peterholden3672so 13% would make a significant dent in the overpopulation problem (as well as others). 🥾🛫👋

[@ScottishRoss27]

Criminals from England make up the majority of the prison population UK Wide. for example Recorded Crime in England last year 3 million .Fraud crimes 2,6 million Theft crimes 1 million Sexual & Domestic Violence crimes 1 Million Violent crimes 623 thousand Criminal Damage crimes 56 thousand Knife and Firearm crimes 577 homicide crimes

[@EdmundMartyn]

@peterholden3672 and how many are ethnically English?

[@R6AAO]

Lies. The prison crisis has been going on for decades and it started with Labour.

[@garemacquarrie6705]

It started long before labour

[@papamurrth1]

Amazing job the Tories did them when they were in power * checks notes * since 2010!

[@Jessicacaca00]

​@@garemacquarrie6705i started when labour was last in power, they created over 1200 imprisonable offenses under Blair so that they could use the buzzphrases "tough on crime" they also introduced the IPP sentences etc, all this led to overcrowding in cells designed for 1 man etc. Plus nothing in place in terms of housing or work on release making it a viscious cycle

[@garemacquarrie6705]

​@@Jessicacaca00I got jailed for giving my son a birthday card.judges excessive power comes from the crown

[@R6AAO]

@@Jessicacaca00 Thankyou for proving my point. It's appreciated.

[@hourbee5535]

Labour is making excuses already about how they can’t deliver their promises 😂

[@AprilJMoon]

So the 'punishment' for those keeping a big part of the population living in fear is to NOT keep them out of the public domain and actually punish them, but to give them courses and training that those of the population who do NOT transgress have to pay for not only for their own education, but for the education of those that had terrorised and stolen from their victims?????

[@VeritasAbsoluta]

Well part of the problem is that we can't turn away known criminals who enter the country illegally and then say the magic word "asylum", and Labour campaigns against deporting foreign criminals, and the politicians and the media look the other way when it comes to certain crimes and certain criminals. They're only too happy to go after people for being "offensive" or having the wrong opinions though.

[@shelleyscloud3651]

So far...but it’s not got much longer to run. Trust the process 😉

[@castle9165]

The tories knew about this, had the chance to fix it and didn’t care.

[@ConstructiveMinds100]

Building a cell for minimum of 600 K. This is called : embezzlment of tax payers money.

[@82vitt]

It is the long and winded planning permission process that makes it cost so much. It's literally a couple thousands of pages per one planning application.

[@simont1108]

If that's the amount the prison costs to build divided by the amount of cells and if it is built to last a hundred years then it's not a bad price.

[@AngloSaxonFreeBritain]

It’s a minimum of 49k per individual migrant to process…this doesn’t include accommodation and welfare, that’s extra……just saying

[@ConstructiveMinds100]

Funny how the people who milk the system will come up with so many excuses. Yes we know your greed is insatiable.

[@varadharajannadarajah]

"Labour Party was desperate to take over the prison crisis as well" - That's the correct way to say

[@jeffholt9437]

Oh I don't know, I guess Tony Blair needs to take HIS (and therefore Labour's) fair share of the blame for the huge number of foreign nationals in UK prisons (12% of the UK prison population at the end of 2023 and probably higher now..)?

[@kinggeoffrey3801]

Yep I remember the Kosovan invasion in the mid 00s. Crime went through the roof in Oxford.

[@jeffholt9437]

@@kinggeoffrey3801 seems like we've never looked back...

[@user-xu5vl5th9n]

It was hardly a secret as plans to deal with it were already being debated in parliament. If Labour didn't want to face or deal with the issue, they should not have bothered standing for election.

[@tonybradley427]

What rubbish, they knew what to expect, he was PCC.

[@freeserve1942]

The answer is SHORT SHARP prison sentences ! Money spent building new Prisons better spent building new Hospitals !

[@stevebeard9656]

That was tried with young offenders in the early 90's. It lasted about 6 months before it was shut down

[@maginot2u]

There are a number of European countries that currently have empty jail space. This includes Ireland, Malta, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria, Spain, Germany and Poland. Surely the Labour Government could conrtact with these countries to accept the overflow from UK prisons. This would be vastly cheaper than trying to construct and staff newly built prisons. In the Baltic states there is enough empty capacity to lease an entire prison complex. Move the local inmates out and possibly run the leased prison complex with UK prison guards. don't think Kigali, Rwanda, think Riga, Latvia!!

[@Spacecow78993]

Sentencing someone who put up stickers saying Britain wont look British soon, and not sentencing terrorist supporters or at least deporting them is crazy!

[@deco2132]

Strange how they continue to refuse to give a breakdown of uk prisoners - nationalitity, ethnicity, religion etc etc. we all know why - UK prisons are full of foreign born or their offspring. Whats the % of muslim prisoners for example?? Notice the obsession with diversity statistics except when it comes to negatives such as crime.

[@ClevaTreva]

Just build more prisons. This is not difficult.

[@KallusGarnet]

😂😂😂

[@mr.mayhem7402]

They can squeeze more men into each cell. No need to release them.

[@byteme9718]

@@mr.mayhem7402 I've seen a jail cell in the Philippines that was about 8ft x 12ft. It had 14 inmates and still wasn't full.

[@82vitt]

It actually is very difficult because of the complicated planning permission process in place, dealing with all the NIMBYs and their appeals and sh*t.

[@ClevaTreva]

@@82vitt Then release the prisoners into their leafy suburban NIMBY towns. Easy! 🤣

[@ColinGarner-h1t]

So who was top dog at the CPS ?

[@Professor-Scientist]

sorri my Inglish not so good wat does CPS mean ?

[@sensemaya1]

@@Professor-ScientistCrown Prosecution Service.

[@lecturesfromleeds614]

We will need hundreds of prisons to deal with the backlog of offensive twitter posts!

[@gatekeeperboxing5898]

Do they seriously imprison people for this stuff, thats insane. These people should be released immediately and stop wasting tax payers money.

[@gibbo822]

Release those in for council tax and tv licence fees!! Not murderers!! This is a scam there isnt a shortage they just built 13 detention centers in my area labour are lying!!!

[@Professor-Scientist]

No way is there people in prison for tv license fees

[@AngloSaxonFreeBritain]

Yes it’s true…

[@Coyb1866]

This wasn't dumped on the labour party they wanted it and now its probably the electorate will have to pay for it and not just in monetary costs.

[@edwardbernthal160]

the electorate should pay, seeing as it is some of them commiting the crimes.

[@papamurrth1]

It literally was. There have been 5 Tory PMs. Successive Tory governments. Multiple Tory Prison ministers. For a generation. Labour have been in power for 1 week.

[@AngloSaxonFreeBritain]

@@papamurrth11 week and they are freeing a certain demographic from prisons. I would say that is rapid…very impressive actually. Well done labour voters congratulations! Please donate your wife’s and daughters and any other values like your home and country for the next labour campaign!

[@Coyb1866]

@@papamurrth1 of course and before the incompetence of the past tory government there was various labour PMs who didn't get a grip on things. They're two cheeks of the same arse and things ain't going to get any better.

[@gatekeeperboxing5898]

If mass numbers of prisoners are released, the public should know the numbers and the crimes they committed.

[@weestewartiee]

Take some wise young ones, and put them in the armed forces

[@lyndacrosfill6340]

What happened to the opposition actually opposing. How many foreign prisoners are in our prisons how many could be returned to their country how many are wanted in their country. Minor crime driving theft etc could be tagged serious crime should have prison sentences but we need to deport those who are not British prisoners .

[@peterwait641]

Dorchester prison was refurbished and then closed also reading, Northallerton and Blundeston closed, Torys reduced capacity to save 30 million pounds .

[@madridman100]

Put the tax up and buy more prisons. How difficult is that.

[@gibbo822]

It's labour they shut down all the schools last time when we had a shortage of schools

[@ScottishRoss27]

There is no single UK criminal justice system.

[@JimTimber]

It's a one way ticket to Rwanda

[@madridman100]

@@ScottishRoss27 the most democratic state in the world has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Bad people need locking up. I don’t care if the prison population grows, spend more and that goes for illegal immigration’s.

[@jimtaylor431]

For those saying "Build more prisons. Simple." - apparently the current state is so severe there's only a couple of months of capacity left until they're actually completely full and if they do the planned early release thing for low risk prisoners there's only 18 months capacity at the current rate. I'm no expert but I would imagine your average prison takes a bit longer to build than 18 months.

[@byteme9718]

The term "completely full is relative".

[@ConstructiveMinds100]

Blaming, blaming but never naming the real causes. ....

[@Martynjs]

Of course the Tories are to blame. They have had 14 years to sort it out yet made the situation worse. A lot of prisoners are being released (usually on tag) after serving one third of their sentence.

[@jamesoshae4534]

Dumped my arse just kept in storage given most are labour voters

[@jackdubz4247]

The Tories have a lot to answer for. The lesson here is simple: Never vote Tory.

[@damonpowell8443]

*Labour

[@EdmundMartyn]

it's a uniparty. Keep up.

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

The tories need to be criminally charged as traitors to this country for what they have done because of their greed and not being willing to tax the rich and big businesses to pay for essential services.

[@skepticalwhiteguy]

I agree they should be..... we won't mention what labour did, though 😉😉

[@JU0800]

Prison overcrowding hasn't been addressed by the conservative party for over a decade. Now, labour has to sort out this mess...

[@mcstyle24]

They both are just bad. Labour is far far worse than Conservative. Look what happened in 1997 and 2008.

[@skepticalwhiteguy]

Labour ..... sort out a mess 😂😂😂 good 1

[@andrewneil6027]

conveniently 🙃

[@JU0800]

@mcstyle24 we're talking specifically about prison overcrowding. This topic hasn't even been looked at by the tories in the last decade... 🙄 they were too busy filling the pockets of the rich and the corporations

[@stevebeard9656]

Prison overcrowding was going on during the last Labour Government as well. Doesn't matter who is in power. Prisons have been made soft due to Human rights people in the UK and the EU. That along with cutbacks has ruined the system

[@carparkcampers8407]

So once XYZ prisoners are let out we will fill them back up again with more Then what ?

[@mr.mayhem7402]

It's Labour letting the criminals out, not the Tories.

[@NSGrendel]

So what - death camps? The Tories created this situation and ran away, FFS. I don't care for either of the sides - but get your mouth off Boris's tool.

[@mriggst]

Inmates could be bribed into going to Rwanda

[@knottyinks1]

Labours plan to tighten the borders should reduce the stress on prisons.

[@lkm77145]

What plans 😅😅😅

[@T5Zplayer]

Dumped?? They asked for it. 6 weeks ago they had all the answers. But publishing demographics won't be it.

[@46FreddieMercury91]

If anyone needs a cell, its blair

[@pip1723]

Tories have left a right mess as usual.

[@damonpowell8443]

They have, but Labour are going to be attempting to put out fires with Petrol. Nothing will be fixed, I dread to think what this country will be like in 5 years time.

[@harrydunn3687]

He's Coming Home He's Coming Home Khan's Coming Home 😂

[@Durka-Durka01]

Stop the invaders coming in dinghies!

[@kevanhubbard9673]

Not like Sir Boris to dump the mess he's made on other.

[@anthonyferris8912]

But he said it was failure of public policy over many years, by 'many' governments.

[@damonpowell8443]

The mess was created way before Boris was at 10. The prison crisis has been a problem for decades now and the problems stemmed from a Labour government.

[@godlikemonolith]

Legalise cannabis. This isnt hard.

[@TreesRgreen123]

Im sure many taxpayers wud happily oblige to have their taxes being spent on a worthy cause such as building more prisons to keep criminals off our streets and the public safe

[@deborahcollard4560]

Is it true that a cell costs 630,000 to build. I doubt it unless its lined with gold!!

[@Zacksleeps]

"British people aren't more nastier or more violent than German people or French people or Dutch people" - hmmm, i'm not so sure about that! Maybe that's part of the problem. For whatever reason (education, size of country, culture, socio-economic reasons, BAD WEATHER! (lol) it does seem that Brits are more aggressive and violent/hostile compared to them countries in my experience on my travels around the world. Anyway, as for the solution about the prison crisis? I'm not sure. Interestingly i've recently been watching loads of documentaries about prisons. Most of them from the 70's to the 90's, but nothing has really changed and we likely have lots of the exact same issues now. And this guy touched upon it when he said lots of people who are in prison shouldn't be there. In the documentaries I watched there was so many complete loonytoons who should have been in hospital in a padded cell who were in prison (people shitting on themselves non stop, hearing voices etc). And lots of other people who were there for what I thought were silly reasons. I agree with that he said in that prison should mostly be about putting away sane, yet truly dangerous/violent people and for a long long time.

[@lw1zfog]

🥴 the nation braces itself for the next five years of ‘it’s their fault’

[@MattFinch-f2w]

Build prisons.simples.

[@AbigailBrown-wk7xl]

Reform prisons

[@CjWantsSkate4]

the time should match the crime

[@Professor-Scientist]

how much time should someone get if they commit fraud ?

[@redf7209]

When people are old and taken into care they have to sell their homes and give up savings to pay for it. Why do prisoners get a free ride. We should take everything they have to pay for the care in prison. Don't see why tax payer should be paying.

[@houstonlangley1173]

Insightful for every country, I'm sure

[@grantsapain]

Labour wanted the job, & now they'll spend the next few years blaming their predecessor for their own failures...

[@jackdubz4247]

No. They'll actually get stuff done. Unlike the Tories. Who spent 14 years doing nothing.

[@smitus_hell7564]

the torries did that for over a decade

[@VoteReform-qr3hn]

@@jackdubz4247 No, they won't, the Tories & Labour are 2 cheeks of the same arse. Each blames each other for their own errors because the public won't vote for anyone else.

[@pip1723]

The Tories knew the situation with prisons and left it for Labour to fix it won't be the only thing ....

[@grantsapain]

@@jackdubz4247 Oh, they'll "get stuff done," all right. More imigration, higher taxes, more deficit spending,more quaitative easing, more regulation. The cure is going to be worse than the disease...

[@PuspavaliPuspavali-xp9lo]

UK correct decision take .....🤝 Here are still alive and doing crime

[@howardmckenna]

I *know* how to fix it, but no one would like it!!!

[@iordanneDiogeneslucas]

They should be offerred release in exchange for fighting for ukraine

[@rossqm369]

anything for more cannonfodder

[@RolloZx]

lets go to root cause here - the welfare state, politicization of the justice system and uncontrolled immigration - all of which were foist on the British public by which political party.....ah yes, labour

[@everythingmeansnothing4019]

Take some money back from france and build some prisons

[@DadHominem]

It would be interesting to know whether the rise in prison population is related due to an increase in the number of natural born citizens, immigrants, or both. By way of example, Sweden has been devastated by the increase in both the violent crime and property crime due to the massive influx of immigrants from North Africa & the Middle East.

[@hasktyynickled618]

Bring back capital punishment absolute no brainer can think of certain crimes at present and past that warrants it save space money etc would probably make people think twice before doing there crime

[@john-y7z]

not true, ?

[@Tan92lfc]

007 License to Shoplift

Bullshit!

[@FaithUnshakable]

Build more then quite simple

[@Professor-Scientist]

Is it more simple than spelling 'quite' correctly ?

[@rinkadink66]

media spin...

[@dondraper2488]

Maybe Starmergeddon should’ve jumped straight onto this problem instead of jumping straight onto Begginskky’s coQ !

[@abutorab1004]

Labour dumped it on the conservatives. Blame game ❤

[@MajorCharlesCarringtonV.C]

They'd be non violent and due for release after serving 50 % of their sentence anyway

[@kez007007]

Prison cell cost 650k. Average house cost 300K. Clearly someone is making a lot of money.

[@Professor-Scientist]

doe houses have 24 hour prison guards/staff?

[@kez007007]

@@Professor-Scientist It cost to build NOT run we are talking about...Capital cost.

[@markryan3498]

yes when i heard that nonsensical figure, i thought i need to get into the prison building game, i would be a billionaire and retire after building one prison

[@lestrem11]

Yes it’s a shitshow but Labour can put everything right, no problem. 😂