UK - Greater Anglia Mk.3 coaches arrive for scrap at Booths Yard, 26/5/20

An opportunity too good to miss presented itself and the chance was seized. A good friend had pointed out a working from the Mid-Norfolk Railway (a heritage line) to Booth's of Rotherham, a well known railway dismantler which had become notorious in the 1960's for scrapping dozens of steam locomotives.
The Mid-Norfolk Railway has been earning a valuable few extra pounds by storing unwanted railway stock for the major train operating companies and amongst these were the Greater Anglia Mk.III coaches involved in the action today.
Access to Booth's Yard requires reversal across a road level crossing, a movement requiring a walker to ensure the road was clear and safe.
Holmes Junction in Rotherham offers three options - the main line, Booth's Yard and the link to Rotherham Central station. These few minutes at Holmes, happily, provided all three options in use a first for me.
Recorded on 26th May 2020.

[@blackthorne57]

It looks as if they are 'fly-tipping' the coaches into the forest! Thanks for sharing a piece of interesting video. You had a good 'perch' to get the shots. G

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Yes. It's a rarely used access into Booths scrapyard which was (in)famous for dismantling many steam locomotives in the late 60's ...... Andy

[@ajsgaming83]

its like it was backing into the trees to play hide and seek lol

[@K-o-R]

Homer Simpson backing into the hedge.

[@MakeItWithCalvin]

Coming at it from a model railroad perspective, the tracks into the bushes is a unique chance to "hide" a train going to an industry.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

You're right. It would be a great excuse for the entrance to a fiddle yard ..... Andy

[@jitterbug_junior]

Cleanest I've seen those coaches, how ironic

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Cleaned for disposal maybe? It is odd ...... Andy

[@PreservationEnthusiast]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam To the best of my knowledge Booths never scrapped any steam locomotives. They started rail operations with some small diesels in 1968. So I think your description of the video is wrong in this respect.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@PreservationEnthusiast I'm born and bred in Rotherham and I can assure you (from personal experience) that Booth's scrapped quite a number of steam locos ..... Andy

[@PreservationEnthusiast]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Maybe some industrials but not BR mainline steam. www.railuk.info/steam/scrap_search.php This reference gives all the disposal sites of BR steam. Booths is not listed. Nor can I find it listed on any other websites. I would say places like Cashmores and Drapers were well known for steam scrapping. Booths and Berry's better known for diesels. If you have information on steam classes and dates for Booths definitely inform the record websites!

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@PreservationEnthusiast I'll take your word for it. My memory has been known to fool me! It's a long time ago and there were steam locos lying around all over the place at the time. Thanks for your comment ..... Andy

[@bazza945]

It's been a while since I last viewed this, so thanks again.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

My pleasure. Keep coming back Barry!! ....... Andy

[@colanitower]

Having travelled in Mk3s on the original HST, it's sad to see them go like this. Nice interior, smooth and quiet ride. Back in the day, the UK had finally caught up with France's "Corail" stock and Germany's "Grossraumwagen" and they had done so within tighter space. A very good design.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I agree. And some of our newer designs are so uncomfortable .... Andy

[@bloxsclaymation]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Also they took the dining car service from it, That was the one thing from my childhood I loved the most was that ability to pick up a quick snack and something to drink on that long 2/3 hour journey. Abelio really have quite literally taken the biscuit this time

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@bloxsclaymation Good point .... Andy

[@lewis72]

Yes, these Mk3s were more comfortable than these Stadler things. I'd regularly travel on on on Valenta HSTs from Paddington to Reading and then on Liverpool Street to Norwich, when that line finally got them.

[@liammulcahy1676]

MK3s hauled by a GM loco, that was an everyday sight here in Ireland back in the day !

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Pretty unusual anywhere these days though! .... Andy

[@TeimonKauppa739]

The 66 is made by EMD

[@JANGLEPOP1]

Great catch and Thank You for sharing the video.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Thank you. I was pleased to have caught this movement .... Andy

[@class56trainsrock62]

3:37 That coach sounds like it is trying to say don’t put me for scrap

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Haha. Yes. It does ...... Andy

[@sapphireseptember]

It's crying, poor little coach! 😭

[@michaelgardiner520]

All the miles those carriages have done, such a waste , end of a fantastic era , miss these and the class 90’s wizzing by the bottom of my garden

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

The future does appear to be units of one type or another .... although Trans-Pennine do seem to be breaking that rule! ....... Andy

[@allthingstrainzyt1095]

Yeahhh, I’ll miss them… now all your gonna see is 720’s and the FLIRT’s! Just 2 types of trains left :(

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@allthingstrainzyt1095 It's sad that loco hauled services are gradually disappearing .... Andy

[@Keithbarber]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam The railways cannot keep operating all old stock indefinitely And whilst it reduces variety and interest for the enthusiast, it provides a more efficient railway- in theory at least

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@Keithbarber - That's sums it up nicely ..... Andy

[@keithsyers5833]

I used to work on the GA and the coaches were falling apart when they were put into the shop for work the frames at sole bar level were rotten and had to be replaced. They had to go they were worn out under the push pull working. Same as the 317 and 315 . Thank you for reporting this

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Thanks for that info Keith. I think they look newer than they really are. They're around 45 years old .... Andy

[@keithsyers5833]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam the problem with those coaches is the outer skins were aluminium and the frame of the coach was steel. During winter people walked salt into the coach and into the carpets and over time the salt washed through. I was watching a fitter checking the underside of a 317 and a huge lump of rust fell off. The new trains are continual extrusion lazer cut glued bonded construction that increases structural rigidity in the event of an incident.

[@keithsyers5833]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam sorry I missed out, because of the steel and alloy being riveted together the was a galvanic reaction which rotted the steel and the ally skins were just rubbed down and repainted in the next paint scheme

[@petermartin3818]

Worked for BR when they were new! Years later worked at Norwich for a time when Nat Express took over and all the Mk 2s and 86s went, and they inherited the Mk 3s from Virgin who had had their moneysworth out of them on the West Coast for years. Can remember many being refurbished at Derby and large sections being replaced in the box section framing at floor level - just the same as the 315s/7s done at Ilford. 321s more recently built in the same fashion have also started disappearing en mass. Sad really as I helped commissioned a lot of those when they were new! The old order changeth. Even sadder is the fact we don't build their replacements and places like York, Derby and Doncaster are now housing estates. Wonder where the people all work? But thats another story........

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@keithsyers5833 A great technical answer to all those doubters! Thank you Keith .... Andy

[@TheDaf95xf]

Hi and what a shame good quality coaches going to the grave yard ☹️

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@AusLegoBoy This practice has ended in 2019 in the UK. Some Mk3's have been converted. The ones in this video probably hadn't been converted, hence the scrapyard! ...... Andy

[@newforestroadwarrior]

They are 45 years old at least and having commuted on them for a number of years, can confirm they should have been scrapped 20 years ago.

[@chriso8485]

@@newforestroadwarrior you think they are less comfortable than the bricks we have to sit on in their replacements?

[@newforestroadwarrior]

@@chriso8485 If anything their replacements are less comfortable but at least we had a complete train most days: unlike with the Mk IIIs when usually there were one or more coaches missing or the damn thing was just cancelled outright.

[@neilstrains]

Wonderful catch thanks Andy & Dandan, really enjoyed this! Subscribed!

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Thanks for subscribing. It was a lucky catch. A tip off from a mate! ....... Andy

[@tomas5376]

Sad! Seems like they could repurpose them into businesses or temporary homes for homeless people.😱🚂🚂🚂

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Old railway carriages aren't really popular these days, like they used to be some years ago. I do think these Mk.3's could have found use somewhere though - maybe overseas. They're still relatively new ......... Andy

[@RichardASK]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Exactly.

[@seansands424]

They could have sent them up to Scotland

[@lliambunter]

Exactly what I was going to comment!

[@nigelfarley814]

I’d love to live in one!

[@brucecohen3001]

It shows how advanced their design was. 40 or so years after they were built and they still look so modern. Imagine a 40 year old carriage in the 1970s.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

You're right. And let's remember the HST's were first into operation in 1975 - 46 years ago - what an amazing success they have been .... Andy

[@anthonyglee1710]

Due to the lack of investment by Abellio Great Anglia and previous incumbents, these carriages were long overdue for the scrap. Nice in their day but in dire in replacement even after they 1st moved to Anglia in the 1990s.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Correct. They're almost 45 years old and needing major refurbishment .... Andy

[@achudakhinkudachin2048]

Such futuristic carriages, and already scrapped. You could have sold them to other countries as brand new !

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

They're actually about 45 years old and badly corroded .... Andy

[@twocvbloke]

Can't help but think the horn sounded like the first three notes of the Hovis ads... :P

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

In Yorkshire we occasionally hear them playing "On Ilkley Moor ba't'at" on the horns .... Andy

[@montystelevision3238]

You couldn't make it up! On the Portsmouth to Cardiff service passengers are compressed into two lousy coaches. Meanwhile a 6 coach train goes for scrap.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I think the main problem with these coaches is that they are the last ones with toilets that flush on to the track below - this is no longer allowed and the cost of conversion is high. Having said that, I believe that Booth's have sold one or two for further use (although I'm not certain about that) ..... Andy

[@None-zc5vg]

Those 2-car 'sardine specials' are more profitable than 6-car ones.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@None-zc5vg Easier to operate than loco hauled stock .... Andy

[@RichardASK]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam One has to say, that if Booths can find a buyer, why can't the previous user?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@RichardASK I guess Booth's are in the business of dealing and buying & selling. The previous owners were in the business of operating trains! ...... Andy

[@brianfearn4246]

Some things just come to the end of their service life. I remember the mk3 coming into service about 1975 they seemed so futuristic with the automatic sliding doors and a British Isles map in the vestibule.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

You're right Brian. They are just life expired ..... Andy

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Yet they somehow can't find a way to make trains as comfortable as them anymore. I feel like too many trains are made for short trips, so they don't bother to cater to people who travel cross country. The buffet carts? Gone. Comfortable seats? Gone. Reason to go cross-country in a train? Gone.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@YujiUedaFan Sadly, the emphasis is on profit and speed ..... Andy

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Funny because the train to Waterloo from here is so much slower.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@YujiUedaFan - If you say so! ..... Andy

[@Trainmaster909]

Don’t you just love the sound of EMD prime movers?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

It depends on your tastes, I guess. I've had people commenting who hate it!! Personally, I prefer the sound of a steam loco working hard up an incline ..... Andy

[@lewis72]

That's Millmoor football ground in the background, former home of Rotherham FC.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Correct. The new stadium is out of sight in the distance .... Andy

[@johnathanrowley2707]

Most uk stock gets scrapped to early as some trains could do with extra carriges to ease over crowding

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

The move in the UK is away from loco hauled services though, and these Mk3's are about 45 years old ...... Andy

[@ianmclaughlan]

Whoever scraps those lovely old stock need their heads looking at why not instead scrap the rude rail staff who have made passengers lives a miserable and put them ten feet underground

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@ianmclaughlan My experience of rail staff is that they're normal people. Some are rude and offensive but most are friendly and helpful. .... Andy

[@ianmclaughlan]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam some are but the ones two years ago on the trains quite a few were rude

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@ianmclaughlan Maybe you were unlucky .... Andy

[@Keithbarber]

As much as it seems wasteful, nothing has an infinite lifespan and as I've said before, one cannot keep on Face lifting× (added 17/06/2021) Modernising×(added 17/06/2021) Overhauling Rebuilding Reconditioning Refreshing Refurbishing Renewing× (added 17/06/2021) Renovating Repairing Repurposing (added 13/04/2020)+ Restoring Restyling (added 29/04/2021)* Revamping (added 26/08/2021)• Servicing Old stock, and if it needs updating and its cost prohibitive, well then scrapping is probably the only option - but the metal is recycled at least * seen on another tv clip × remembered + suggested by another viewer- see comments below • used in another video

[@Ass_Burgers_Syndrome]

You forgot Repurposing!

[@Keithbarber]

@@Ass_Burgers_Syndrome thanks, added to the list

[@phillipwilloughby5013]

Irish Rail had these Mk3 coaches in service from 1984 to 2009 and theirs had electric doors instead of slam doors. They stood in sidings until they were scrapped in 2014.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Sadly they have a tendency to corrode badly - like the ones in this video ...... Andy

[@steveluckhurst2350]

Cue the usual bleatings of "too good to scrap". These things are potentially over 40 years old. The toilets flush onto the track below. Things move on, take off your rose tinted specs!

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

You're right. They're approaching 45 years old ... Andy

[@YujiUedaFan]

I'd agree if the alternatives were just as good. Modern cross country trains aren't made to be cross country, as they lack a buffet cart and comfort that the Mk3 had.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@YujiUedaFan So shit in the 4ft is OK as long as you can get a cup of tea?

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@YujiUedaFan Your bowel movements have no relevance in this discussion.

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@steveluckhurst2350 I misread what "Shit in the 4ft" meant.

[@raythomason3]

In BR days these coaches would have been refitted, repainted and served a further lease of life.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

BR's Mk.1 coaches were introduced in 1951. By 1963 production had stopped and the Mk.2's were introduced from 1971 - 20 years after the first Mk.1's. The Mk.3 coaches seen being scrapped in this video are about 45 years old. That's a good working life by anyone's standards ..... Andy

[@OlivierGabin]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam I've travelled back home today aboard an SNCF Corail coach whose builder's plate indicates her to have been built in 1976. Those coaches are planned to be phased out in the forthcoming decade. So, 45/50 years of service for a railway coach is clearly a technical issue, not a political one.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@OlivierGabin Yes, it is a technical issue. They are badly corroded, the toilets are not up to date and disabled access is inadequate. The cost of refurbishment would be too great ..... Andy

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam I wouldn't have such an issue with this if modern cross country trains were more comfortable. Nothing beats Mk3 in terms of comfort, plus the buffet cart is nicer than seeing someone push crisp and chocolate trolleys. I also don't like how the other option is too noisy to the point of deafening or so stiff and uncomfortable it makes me queasy, plus the latter doesn't even have openable windows. Not to mention Mk3 trains had TVs in them, while the modern ones don't.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@YujiUedaFan - For the sake of other readers, I'll repeat my previous reply - "Unfortunately, they are over 40 years old and do not meet modern standards of access. Their toilets dispense on to the tracks too. I understand that they were also badly corroded" ..... Andy

[@soundseeker63]

I wonder if I Booths might sell a few of the seats to LNER so passangers can get a decent seat on ECML journeys! lol With current trends being what they are, I very much doubt we will see another train as comfortable and long lasting as the Mk3 sets built any time soon. Pity.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

It's true that modern trains just don't seem to be as comfortable .... Andy

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Probably because they cater towards people taking shorter trips instead of people who spend 3+ hours in a single train. This much is evident due to lack of the buffet cart in modern trains, as well as smaller seats with less legroom and no TVs that the MK3s actually had... Also doesn't help that trains are so much more expensive now than 10 years ago and a ticket will cost an arm and a leg to get anywhere.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@YujiUedaFan - I think there are serious moves planned to make ticketing simpler and more affordable ...... Andy

[@iainv4092]

Trains that take that branch is usually their last journey

[@joebarrett4353]

Excellent footage - thanks

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

That's my pleasure. Thanks for watching ..... Andy

[@YujiUedaFan]

This sucks because these trains are WAY more comfortable for cross-country travel than any other model I've ridden on in the UK. The rest are either tiny and deafening or longer but still lack a dedicated Buffet with windows that don't open and overall more cramped.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Unfortunately, they are over 40 years old and do not meet modern standards of access. Their toilets dispense on to the tracks too. I understand that they were also badly corroded ..... Andy

[@medwaymodelrailway7129]

Like the video very much.Take care

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Thanks again .... Andy

[@keithsyers5833]

I was reading through some of the comments about scrap yards. There's simms in Newport South Wales. They can scrap a coach to 50mm chunks in 20 minutes including the bogies

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

It's not the business it used to be in the 60's when they were cutting up steam locos with a torch! ..... Andy

[@bazza945]

Ouuch!

[@1chish]

Got to love the wheezing MkIII air bags @ 03:37....

[@ashleydoak9357]

A real shame wish these coaches would've been used on my local service anything can be better than what we have!!!!

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I believe some have been sold on for further use ..... Andy

[@justinobrien3593]

Pitty it's not the crappy class 66s not being shunted into booths and not the hst mk3 coaches!!!

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I can't agree with you Justin. The 66's may be a boring common sight but they're just about the most successful design of locomotive we have seen in the UK (and Europe) .... Andy

[@justinobrien3593]

The 68s are ok but them 66s I just dont like them the sound of them is boring they look horrible and the 70s are even worse I would rather have a tractor any day to them junk piles of foreign junk! Pitty we cant build out own locomotives still I think the class 60s and 92s was the last locomotives built in the UK in the mid 1990s sadly!

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@justinobrien3593 I agree that it's a shame that the British locomotive building industry has been completely sold out to Japan and the USA. However, you're looking at the 66's from an emotional point of view. They're hugely successful, not only in the UK but across Europe - a great design ..... Andy

[@Hussein_-op6vy]

The first part of the video those tracks looks very sharp

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I think the telephoto lensing exaggerates the curve considerably ... Andy

[@mrbraderz6301]

Seems a shame like everyone else says to send these for scrap, I do hope they got rehomed! Got to say the 66 looks quite smart pulling passenger coaches shame they never adapted any to do so. Just noticed theres no buffer wagons between the engine and the train....

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I believe some have already found further use ..... Andy

[@dwrowley]

They looked in good condition from this distance, would have been great to see them in the yard and had quick tour inside and out to see the condition

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

They are badly corroded, the toilets are not up to date and disabled access is inadequate. The cost of refurbishment would be too great .... Andy

[@dieseldavetrains8988]

Such waste, you'd think they could donate them for further use in a needy country like Myanmah, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh for example that would welcome them. Thanks for the video Andy, well filmed too.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Thanks for your kind comments. I suspect the cost of shipping would make it uneconomical ..... Andy

[@dieseldavetrains8988]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Thanks Andy, pity one of the global aid agencies couldn't cover the costs, the carriages look to be in excellent condition.

[@mjcats2011]

@@dieseldavetrains8988 The global aid agencies have enough on their plate with providing food and clean drinking water without worrying about the transportation of old carriages!

[@montystelevision3238]

5:54 that train took the wrong road. It’s meant for the one that was used earlier by the 66.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I think it'll be a few years before they're heading into Booth's yard! .... Andy

[@nigelfarley814]

There seems to be a whole load of these coaches in the sidings at Great Yarmouth. Not sure what is happening to them but it does look like they are being refurbished. I wonder if they would sell me one?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I'd be surprised if they're being refurbished. This design corrodes badly and refurbishment would really be closer to rebuilding. They are around 45 years old and have given their service! ..... Andy

[@lmlmd2714]

Mk. IIIs get scrapped while the Voyagers and Pendolinos live on? There's something deeply wrong about that.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

There's a strong move away from loco hauled stock - oddly with the exception of Trans-Pennine, although theirs are as good as "units" ..... Andy

[@mjcats2011]

Why? The Pendolinos are great trains. Never been on a Voyager.

[@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333]

Wow. Anyways, I just subscribed to your KZbin channel.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Thank you. I hope you find some other videos that you like among my collections ....... Andy

[@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333]

Andy and Dandan Fisher - Steam Around the World You’re welcome.☺️

[@paulconner9354]

A total waste. We need extra carriages on our network and they are scrapping them? Why ffs

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

There's a strong move away from loco hauled services though ..... Andy

[@AvinashReports]

Nice

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Thank you ........ Andy

[@nico.w680]

Could they not use them for a Pullman of sorts?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I think it;s not worth the cost of conversion .... Andy

[@nico.w680]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Thanks, yeah thats understandable.

[@paulplaskwa1600]

Terrible waste, looked like the trees had swallowed the train whole!

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Fortunately the 66 made it back out of the trees!! :-) .... Andy

[@DarkVoidIII]

I don't know if it's feasible, not living in the UK myself, but would you be able to get permission from Booths Yard to get photos and or video of the Mk3's they still have in their possession? I suppose it would depend on how much free time you have available to visit scrap yards.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

It has been possible in the past to visit the yard but H&S rules are so tight these days that they may not allow it ..... Andy

[@LawnMowersThingsThatMakeNoise]

They need to get a strimmer and hedge cutter. thats very overgrown

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Sounds like you're looking for a contract there! :-) ..... Andy

[@LawnMowersThingsThatMakeNoise]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam I would do it :-) look at my channel :-)

[@christopherhulse8385]

I'm trained on propelling moves and I can tell you I don't like doing them, a loco at either end here could have been arranged.

[@Uftonwood2]

You should have seen the propelling that was done 50 years ago; that move would have been done in two minutes.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@Uftonwood2 I agree with Uftonwood here. In days gone by this move was nothing. To have a loco at either end wouldn't have been possible. There are no run round facilities within Booth's yard .... Andy

[@kevinbushell2746]

Interesting video thanks for sharing is that the football stadium in the background? I'm not local

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

It's the old Millmoor football ground. The new one (New York Stadium) is just out of sight in the distance ..... Andy

[@kevinbushell2746]

Thank you for the info

[@petersmith4455]

hi, what clowns gave the order to scrap these coaches? shame on you ! they could be used for many other purposes

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Although they (officially) went into Booth's yard to be scrapped, I've a feeling that at least some of them were sold on for other use by Booth's ..... Andy

[@ronnieg6358]

3rd world countries could make good use of them.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@ronnieg6358 In case you hadn't noticed, we're almost a 3rd world country ourselves!

[@ronnieg6358]

@@steveluckhurst2350 Can we ride on the roof now?

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@ronnieg6358 Oh yeah! 😊

[@BLUESKY-zt1nv]

Apparently The driver of the class 66 was crying when he reversed the coaches into booths for scrap ..he handed in his notice after this stating he could take it no more ..

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Fake News (OF COURSE) ...... Andy

[@smudgycat6750]

Their 'ONE' livery made them seem so bright, yet now they come to die.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Everything dies eventually !! - Andy

[@smudgycat6750]

​@@AndyDandanFisherSteamsend them out with a bang

[@billmasen3923]

Seems like a waste of perfectly servicable rolling stock.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

The cost of modernising would be too great. They're about 45 years old (despite appearances) ..... Andy

[@grahamwalls9379]

Where was this filmed please ? .

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

As it says in my caption, it's at Holmes Junction in Rotherham. Search on Google Maps for Steel Street, Rotherham ..... Andy

[@Banglish123]

I'm glad these carriages are gone. They were a nightmare to get on and off. I think they were original BR stock from the 80s. Certainly looked that way.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Over 40 years old and lacking in many respects .... Andy

[@Renwick19]

It’s disgusting some of theses coaches are still in good nick and they go and scrap them

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I do believe one or two have been sold by Booth's for further use. I'm sure if you'd like one they're still available!!! .... Andy

[@lewis72]

These were always very comfortable when I travelled on the on IC 125 lines. More comfortable than those new Stadler things that they've got running on the East Anglia lines now.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@lewis72 Yes, it's a shame. There's an unstoppable urge to modernise though, I guess ..... Andy

[@steveluckhurst2350]

No, what is disgusting is that the toilets on this stock flushes direct into the four foot.

[@lewis72]

@@steveluckhurst2350 That is true. They could be modified.

[@waynewalls5033]

I assume the floodlights are the New York Stadium, Rotherham Utd’s new home?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

No. The ones you can see are Millmoor - the old stadium. New York Stadium is behind the trees ..... Andy

[@GreatBarrWolf]

If the loco goes in head first it's also a goner.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Haha. I don't think they'd have done that !! ..... Andy

[@frankbing1]

Rather than scrapping them isn’t there a chance they could be sold to the Indians, from what I’ve seen of there carriages these are absolute luxury.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

They are badly corroded, the toilets are not up to date and disabled access is inadequate. The cost of refurbishment would be too great and the cost of shipping abroad would be prohibitive with such a cheap item .... Andy

[@robinforrest7680]

Seems like a huge waste of perfectly useable rolling stock to me...

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I agree. I believe that Booth's have sold one or two on for further use ..... Andy

[@icedragongamer4646]

Peter great to hear from you. I'm really into the engineering side of the railway. When I had time I went into the sheds and watched them strip down the coaches and when they needed to be shunted l had a look at how they were built and how they are built now. It's politics. It's like selling coals to Coventry. We thought of the idea the rest of the world sold it back to us

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Who's Peter? ...... Andy

[@icedragongamer4646]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam I believe Peter Martin was a master fitter on the ga and rolling stock inspector working at Ilford and Norwich Crown Point. He knew absolutely everything about the emu stock on the ga

[@Tsass0]

Why weren't they sold?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

They don't meet current UK standards of access and safety. The cost of conversion would have been too great. I believe that one or two may have been sold on for use by charter train operators .... Andy

[@cameronjohnston3186]

Sad. So sad.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I think stock is being disposed of and replaced on a daily basis - we don't usually see it though! ..... Andy

[@exb.r.buckeyeman845]

Scandalous, they could have been sold to India or some other country who are not able to have the luxury of scraping perfectly good rolling stock.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

There's stock being replaced on a daily basis. The cost of conversion and shipping would have been prohibitive ..... Andy

[@callumhardy5098]

Shame! Those trains were the most comfortable!

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Good coaches but loco hauled (expensive to operate) and with toilets that flush on to the track ...... Andy

[@callumhardy5098]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam I loved the class 90 locos especially seeing them all lined up at Liverpool Street. And if I remember the ones I got on only ever had vacuum toilets not drop ones.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@callumhardy5098 I'll take your word for that Callum. I'm just repeating what I've been told! ....... Andy

[@iansmotorsandlife7408]

I second this , they were always vacuum in my experience, 2019 being the last time I was on one .

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@iansmotorsandlife7408 Again, I bow to your better experience .... Andy

[@chrisbalanda9368]

I gave them another train companies for spair

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

These old Mk3's corrode badly. To be honest, I think it's unlikely that other operators of them will be doing much in the way of repairs. We'll be seeing a lot of these being scrapped over the coming years ..... Andy

[@anglian.railways]

Never got to ride one of those

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I believe there are one or two still around. I also understand that some are still intact in Booth's yard awaiting buyers ....... Andy

[@whatdoyoumeanbro4964]

same

[@welshknight3878]

What waste they could been used on some these heritage lines

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

They're not old enough for most heritage lines! .... Andy

[@channelsixtysix066]

They don't even look that bad. Are they being scrapped because they no longer comply with the latest regulations?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I think that's part of the story. There's a strong move away from loco hauled services though and they are around 45 years old ..... Andy

[@channelsixtysix066]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam I know it's hard to see detail, but they look in great condition for 45 years old. Are they going to electrify or are replacements DMUs?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

@@channelsixtysix066 I'm not absolutely certain. It's not my part of the country but I'm sure someone will give us an answer! ..... Andy

[@channelsixtysix066]

@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Thank you for replying, Andy. 😊

[@blissy1]

One way track, no coming back

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Except for the 66!! :-) ..... Andy

[@bobsmodelrailways]

£100 quid each?

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

It's my information that Booth's have since sold one or two on for further use ..... probably got more than £100 each for them though !! ..... Andy

[@jonc4686]

Another load of COMFY coaches going to waste.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

I agree. I believe one or two have been sold on by Booth's for further use but I have no details .... Andy

[@mjcats2011]

They are over 45 Years old. Their time is up.

[@garykillington4172]

They could of been a good way to use the old coaches as homes just convert the inside ideal to get the homeless off the street's

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

Maybe you should suggest this to your local authority .... Andy

[@philipcameron3784]

Why dont they donate them to a third world country in Africa or Asia ? A lot better than what third world countries have.

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

They're about 45 years old and are badly corroded (beyond repair). Also the cost of shipping would be prohibitive ..... Andy

[@brianfearn4246]

5:43 leaves and grass on the line Causing major delays

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

:-) .... but no delay in the journey to the scrap yard! ..... Andy

[@thedepot7416]

What a waste

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

These 45 year old coaches required substantial refurbishment which was not viable .... Andy

[@تيي-و9د]

🌐

[@michaelsandford1015]

What a waste of coaches

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

These Mk3's are over 40 years old and well past their best! They have toilets that empty on to the track and they have no disabled access. They're also corroding badly. The cost of refurbishment is too high ..... Andy

[@andosrailway233]

To bad some African country’s could used those

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

In most African countries (certainly in the southern half) the gauge is different - Cape Gauge is 3'6" ....... Andy

[@class56trainsrock62]

3:37

[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

What's special about 3:36? ..... Andy

[@class56trainsrock62]

I just love the coach noise at 3:37

[@peterwesthead6518]

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[@AndyDandanFisherSteam]

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