UK politics needs a bold political vision | Andrew Marr | The New Statesman

[@youknow6968]

Trust Andrew to provide poetic analysis based on raw realities.

[@andrewtucker94]

Marr is one of the greats

[@hilaryporter7841]

I agree, this country needs a carefully thought out vision, which is realistic politically, time restricted for acceptable delivery, forward thinking, open to differences but stone deaf to prejudices, invites our most talented citizens to contribute to the building of a new honour bound nation which values humanity and leads the way in demonstrating to the rest of the world that we can change our warmongering ways, no matter how entrenched in the past that we are. Lets give our decendents some good history to be proud of.

[@ThePlanetzyz]

Another nail hit firmly on the head: I’ve got to thank you Andrew for all of your New Statesman podcasts, for the light you shed on every issue you speak about.

[@caspardavidfriedrich7916]

Andrew, you are one of the absolute best voices in these dark times. Along with The Rest is Politics. Thank you.

[@anthonysullivan3238]

Andrew you are a great listen. I just hope somebody in Labour is paying attention to you because they need to.

[@artbargestudio]

Very true! No one with vision out there at the moment. Or eloquence!

[@pmajudge]

GREAT STUFF ! ANDREW MARR. ALWAYS STUNNING WORDS! NICE ONE ! FROM, U.K. (2023).

[@alexkent2248]

Andrew, I think you are an incredible storyteller. Step up and change job. Be the change you wish to see in the world.

[@keiththorpe9571]

I always loved Geoffrey Howe's resignation statement to the House when he left Maggie Thatcher's government. The batsman, stepping up to the crease to face the bowler, only to find that the manager had broken all the bats. That was classic!

[@Aco747lyte]

You spoke well, Andrew and goodness knows it's high time somebody ought to! The state of our country's government is pathetically weak; appearing to have little conviction from Rishi Sunak, but also Keir Starmer who, quite frankly, not even I can keep up with his pathetic mutterings that lead nowhere frustrating those who might decide to vote Labour in the next General Election. A really excellent video presentation. Many thanks to Andrew Marr. 🌻

[@nickbarton3191]

What Marr is talking about is true leadership. A leader gives context in a bewildering world. Can't see anyone appearing who is a true leader.

[@kevinwells768]

There is a current cabinet minster who would like to convince you otherwise, and will get money from Tufton Street think tanks as well as the DM/GBNews/TalkTC vote in her leadership bid. Quite likely to be the new leader of the new Far Right party. However, she has no policies or ideas, but she has plenty of hate speech to cover her own failings.

[@SlowhandGreg]

Starmer is an excellent manager what your wanting is someone with the oratory skills I genuinely think he's getting better he is obviously practicing, his Kings Speech retort I thought was well paced and now showing emotion The Tories have wrecked the economy the only thing keeping it afloat is London, what needs to be done would take decades

[@nickbarton3191]

@@SlowhandGreg I hope he improves, his speech was indeed good. Back to the question "are leaders born or made", honestly, I don't know.

[@SlowhandGreg]

@nickbarton3191 if you put a Clown into Government the Clown doesn't become a Leader the Government becomes a Circus Starmer's current aim is to win by as big a margin as possible & his mission based approach is based on a book by world renowned economist Mariana Mazzucato called mission economy A Moonshot Guide to Changing Capitalism My one worry is Reeve will not clear house at the OBR and Treasury and fetch in some modern economists and get sucked into Treasury group think, it appears the Treasury hates infrastructure

[@jonsmith5058]

@@SlowhandGreg he’s an excellent manager….? He’s ruling his party like a desperate dictator. He cannot convince his MPs so he threatens them with being sacked, all around the county he does similar with Labour councillors. He is an appalling ‘manager’ who cannot stick to any promises and chooses to use intimidation to get what he wants as he bullishly shoves through his agenda instead of listening to the will of his party and the people he should represent. He’s also willing to sell his soul and the souls of his MPs to appeal to racist Tory voters. He epitomises all the toxic traits of a classic, entitled, boomer manager, who arent fit for this century.

[@davidparker-qf4ln]

Well spoken Andrew 👍👍👍

[@janetpazio9992]

Again very good. Thank you Andrew.

[@Charlie-UK]

Absolutely, there is a policy black hole, in both major parties. Platitudes about, growth & reducing interest rates don't inspire anyone. There is a poverty of aspiration, with both Keir Starmer & Rishi Sunak. If they can't inspire people with a decent vision of the future, we might as well not bother with the whole sorry lot of them...

[@spacebound1522]

@Charlie-UK Very well said!

[@SlowhandGreg]

30 billion on renewable energy is ambitious The tax system is a complete mess how you can have the highest tax base in history and p1ss most of it away is an art form

[@jonathaneffemey944]

Thanks for posting.

[@mattinterweb]

I've been saying this for years. You need charismatic, serious & moral leaders who have vision and can inspire others to deliver on that vision. Infrastructure, on-shoring, military, tech, energy, housing ,i haven't the foggiest what the government's plan is - probably as there isn't a strong one and no one to communicate it and although I have no love for this government, I can't see any great vision or plan from Labour either. Britain needs an identity, a vision built on our values and energised by a real leader.

[@martincheeseman5809]

Keep going Andrew we may get get some day!

[@grahamdominy8309]

Congratulations. Most thought provoking, well said!

[@aladotevi9205]

Very insightful. Thank you.

[@SimonHayward-n7y]

Excellent commentary which rings true.

[@mohamednazirbasharat913]

Great piece Andrew.

[@timwoodger7896]

You are right we need radical change and that won’t happen while we put our faith in politicians ! We need to create a people’s republic where the people vote on policies instead of politicians voting on our behalf.

[@kanedNunable]

so lots of referendums? i mean thousands a year. really? the last one worked out so well for us. the problem with voting is you need voters to be educated on matters. most arent.

[@heem6619]

@@kanedNunable The Brexit referendum was a disaster but countries like Switzerland manage to make referendums work. Just because Britain failed once doesn't mean there isn't a way to do something properly.

[@timwoodger7896]

@@kanedNunable 🤣🤦 it doesn’t have to be that complicated! It could be as easy as online banking with a registered phone number and email address. As for people being too dumb to vote !? They vote anyway🤦 And yeah as a population we will inevitably make mistakes but they will be our mistakes to learn from and rectify! Which would be better than putting our faith into untrustworthy politicians that always end up lying Manipulating and working for their donors instead of the people that elected them. The most important thing is to regulate the media so that it’s a criminal offence to knowingly lie to the people and then the people will be better informed unlike in the Brexit referendum where not only the media lied and manipulated the people but the politicians did the same. Which is why now more than ever we need to steer away from politicians because they have proven time and again that they cannot be trusted. But hey you do you and maybe one day we will have a vote on it!?

[@timwoodger7896]

@@heem6619 exactly 👍 we could always have another referendum. Democracy could be amazing if we just get rid of the politicians that obviously don’t believe in democracy in the slightest.

[@mohamednazirbasharat913]

There were two great orators of antiquity. One was Cicero, and the other Demosthenes. When Cicero was done speaking, people always gave him a standing ovation and cheered, "What a great speech!" When Demosthenes was done, people said, "Let us march," and they did. That's the difference between presentation and persuasion. I hope to be classified in the latter category.

[@andrewseal1213]

Completely agree......

[@martincheeseman5809]

I am with you the uk we need to look after everyone,come Kier you can do it

[@mamamunali]

Andrew on absolute form here 👍

[@taia-b8f]

Right now I don't see Labour with a strong vision too. I will vote for them but as an anti-tory move.

[@majormoolah5056]

Well, what visions are there available? That is the question. We need to be honest about the Special Relationship. The Americans wanted UK to be half-in half-out in Europe. Pull things apart so integration does not go so far that Europe breaks off from the Americans. In exchange, UK gets to be the best friend of Washington. That has ended with Brexit. US and UK have drifted apart to a remarkable degree. Losing influence in Europe has also cost UK the Special Relationship. Now it was always an untenable position to begin with and being used as a tool for Divide Et Impera was a very ignoble task for London. Johnson's "Global Britain" was ridiculed world-wide too. UK is not big enough to be a pole in a multipolar world. It could be a Great Power in the European context if it so chose. UK military is still powerful enough to be a key player in an European security architecture without US and Turkey. All the geopolitical realities point towards European Union and being a leader there. But will the political will be there to write that story?

[@terrywright4211]

Thank you Andrew!

[@Nala1950]

We need to be a manufacturing country again

[@joso7228]

Yes Quality over chinese Quantity

[@ScottishRoss27]

Scotland is the UKs manufacturing base.

[@ianworley8169]

With Starmer, one thing is for sure. The very last thing that man is in any way capable of giving us is a bold political vision. Don't rock the boat. Don't risk offending anyone. Carry on and business as usual. At a time when the country desperately needs imaginative, radical solutions, we've got Sir Starmer to look forward to. It's all so bloody depressing.

[@nicksimmons7234]

Only for the Corbyn fan club.

[@kanedNunable]

well look what happened to corbyn? the press crucified him. you cant be too radical in this country when the young cant be arsed to vote

[@seanhammon6639]

Years of Starmer in government would be like drowning in a viscous stagnant pond.

[@nicksimmons7234]

@@seanhammon6639 Starmer has taken Labour form the worst defeat since to 1935 to 20 points ahead in the polls. You've clearly never listened to a podcast of him being interviewed, I'm glad you underestimate him. Corbyn and his fan base does.

[@seanhammon6639]

@@nicksimmons7234 What twaddle. Starmer isn't winning anything. He possesses no skills. The reason labour lead is because of a protest against the idiots in opposition. As and of himself he is a vacuous echo who fortuitously happens to be in attendance and riding on the conservative's self inflicted demise.

[@c5492]

Amazing analysis, we need more of this

[@brubeker12]

It needs a moral compass thats what it needs

[@safetyamsv3515]

I'm not a big fan of Andrew Marr's politics, but I absolutely admire his insights and his presentation.

[@tomg268]

I agree with Andrew Marr on this. That’s one reason I liked Corbyn so much.

[@andrewtucker94]

His leadership of dismantling NATO and letting Putin annex Ukraine?

[@willshaw1389]

There was a guy with a bold new political vision but the media said he wanted to do broadband communism.

[@LongDarkTeatimeOfTheSoul]

We need proportional representation AND a PM chosen by parliament, not necessarily the leader of the party with most MPs. Also, a cabinet made up of MPs from other parties

[@bearsbreeches]

Like the wartime coalition? After they leave parliament they can do it, look at all the podcasts but not when they are all too scared of losing the party whip

[@bearsbreeches]

They tell us all the time. We are serfs in a feudal system that doesn't care if we starve, freeze, or die of disease. Stop pretending that anyone really cares. Otherwise, they'd have done something about poverty, homlessness,want, and disease centuries ago.

[@ilricettario]

Well said.

[@BjørjaBear]

Suella Braverman is ready to tell a story anytime...tough on tents! That's the standard these days...

[@TheStubertos]

Andrew never misses a beat. His analyses are measured and his reporting is eloquent and quite inspiring. Would love to see you in the HOC...

[@1sostatic]

Gut the political system ... MP's lying in parliament should face heavy fines or jail, no more two party only system, get rid of the baffled wrinklies in the Lords, having no connection to the real world. The system needs to work for the British People, not the responsibility avoiding, self serving, scandal-mongering politicians.

[@Azmodaeus49]

They should be sacked and their salary should be deducted immediately, referring to MPs

[@kanedNunable]

parliament needs the same laws as a courtroom. being allowed to lie and nobody being able to say anything about it is a farce

[@Ralnon]

Before you write off the Lords: remember that have repeatedly tried to stop massively overreaching legislation and batshit insane legislation. Do you really want TWO house of commons style houses? You know - like the USA.......

[@corpstrat7192]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found the King's speech trivial for a king to bother with.

[@1TimBaugh]

This approach seems to be looking back to the past for solutions to our current woes: I'm not convinced. I'm not sure that I agree, that it is practical to inject some kind of narrative into British politics, a sort of storytelling which makes figurative sense of the ideologies involved. Wouldn't we be asking a bit much of modern British politicians? Before developing any meaningful 'bold politicial vision', they would have to enagage with something at once more difficult, and a good deal more simple, the truth. And this seems to be the last thing that they want to do. The reality we are all facing seems to me to be akin to being stuck on a runaway train. Whatever narrative was chosen, would have to be very clear about this crucial fact. And I don't think that politics, in its current state, is about embracing reality. The elephant isn't in the room, it IS the room, it's a broadly shared ideology, and the one thing politicians seem united in doing is to avoid acknowledging its presence - beyond perhaps identifying a trunk here, a foot there, a tusk elsewhere... The kind of narrative that Andrew Marr seems to be invoking needs, at the very least up to a point, to make sense of things, both in general and in particular. But things increasingly don't make sense. Environmental degradation, climate change, popularism, the rapidly changing face of geopolitics and the increasingly marginal influence that the UK, even at its very best, might be able to bring to bear on any of these issues. And this either at home or in the wider world. When asked if there was anything that might destroy the whole world, the Buddha replied that there was. He named this world-destroying force; 'greed'. The reality is that there is simply far too much consumer demand, and there are far too few resources to meet this demand. And there is virtually no serious intent, anywhere in the world, to curb this; quite the reverse. Our politicians, one way or another, clearly feel that they must ignore this mastadon of a fact, as they have to defend and try to grow their own economies. Or so they think at any rate, because they can't or won't see the room or the elephant. Too scary, too much truth, too much reality, too many powerful lobbying interests ready to oppose them if they start talking sense. Their only solution to all these pressing problems is, one way or another, to ignore them, and thus to help to make them worse. I have the sense that at some point in the relatively recent past we have aggravated this problem to the point where it has slipped over the line of manageability. In this sense past solutions are probably no longer valid. The best that we can hope for is to become really good at crisis management. So far, so bad.

[@S_Edward_Burns_ArtsEditor]

Many thanks. Carry on!

[@waynedlima2226]

Brilliance

[@ab-ym3bf]

UK politics needs a vision period. Doesn't even have to be bold. Anything would be an improvement.

[@tobymnewton]

Very thought provoking, Andrew. I think you identify perhaps the biggest impediment to the needed changes at the end of your analysis, when you turn to the influence of social media, which constitute a now long-running experiment in consciousness-formation. Media technologies are not effect-neutral. When media formats are designed specifically to favour stark and abbreviated messaging, don't be surprised when the public appetite for storytelling gradually orientates towards the stark and abbreviated, which also means, as is empirically evident, the divisive and the crass. No one individual will be able to buck this trend. Either we will curb, regulate, dismantle, and demonetize the short-form media or we are will suffer death by a thousand soundbite cuts.

[@mountbatten2222]

IT MUST HAVE BEEN VERY HARD FOR THE KING TO READ SUCH A"PROGRAM" .

[@pipash3953]

Definitely. We are stagnating. I think our perception of a need to do something was a contributing factor to Brexit and Truss. The perception was right, the “solutions” wrong.

[@Plumduff3303]

He balanced his crown perfectly on those ears

[@peterklauza1481]

P.S. the person who could run the country is Mick Lynch

[@YYTT-wd5qq]

No, we just need an authentic leader who do what he/she said. All we had was criminals who lies and do opposite of what they promised.

[@Gooseplan]

You opposed the radical vision when you helped demonise Corbyn.

[@kerryfry1857]

JFK's moon speech, 'We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.' Now replace 'go to' with rejoin. And 'moon' with EU.

[@Leszek.Rzepecki]

I think the problem with the notion that we don't have enough stories in politics is more about the fact that we've been told too damn many stories by politicians, distributed uncritically by the Tory press, there not being much non-Tory press to speak of. We don't need more stories or better ones, we want common sense. I did notice the total contempt dripping from HRH's voice as he read the speech. He didn't obviously believe a word of it, either.

[@rafaelvalerofernande]

I wish we could listen someone like William Pitt the Younger in our-days. Instead we have had Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. It would be great to have a simple and inspiring vision for the country, so it can be placed on Tik Tok, or even better, in buses. We were told after Brexit we would be glorious again, and we can repurpose large amount of money for NHS. Liz Truss told us we could growth easily. Rishi Sunak outlined five priorities.

[@PEdulis]

As Walter Scheel put it: "It is not the job of a politician to do the popular thing but to do the right thing and to make it popular."

[@timmarshall4881]

Appreciate this view of politics. As a voter, I don’t relate to our politics now.

[@corndoggydogdog]

Great points Andrew and another reason not to vote Starmer. Vote Green 🌳🌲🌳

[@l33jcm]

But isn't the paucity of bold leaders a result of a disinterested Electorate. That nearly 40% don't regularly vote is what's driving current politics, which is being amplified by the FPTP system making small swings all that much more significant, and landing us with large and undeserved majorities. With fewer critical eyes looking, it's no surprise that "wrong 'uns" are slipping through to the ballot paper in larger numbers than ever before. What we probably need is a wholesale revamp of our Electoral process, dare I say it, in a more proportional way. That voting be made mandatory, that civics is taught in school, that peoples assemblies are established to deal with the thornier issues of social society, as well as further devolution of power from Central to regional. In gardening parlance, we need to prepare the ground, to grow the next crop! A bit of a chicken & egg, isn't it?

[@heem6619]

I disagree with PR (look at much of Europe) but the rest of your suggestions are sound. We also need to reform the press in this country so they have less influence over politicians, and get rid of the revolving doors.

[@jackn4853]

Simply make voting compulsory,( unless you have a reasonable excuse.) But, have a "none of the above" option on the ballot.

[@karenlp5867]

The problem is that politics is so very complicated. I think that one reason why people choose not to vote is because they are so confused by the contradicting opinions about all the issues that it’s impossible for them to work out who to vote for. A lot of the people who do vote inadvertently end up voting against their own best interests, and the best interests of society in general. That’s why our country is in such a mess. The only solution I can think of is better education. But most people are not willing to take the time and trouble to really learn about political issues.

[@l33jcm]

@@karenlp5867 I never said it would be easy or simple. But isn't it always the case that to fix a problem, is to first recognise the problem? For me (at least), that has to mean better education at an early age, to become critical thinkers, or to at least not accept (if not challenge) the ideas being pushed without understanding what you can of the facts surrounding it. I dare say, individuals will still continue to get it wrong. But the power will always lie with the majority, who will get it right. The more eyes, ears and brains, the better!

[@cammy633]

We already had this, Andrew. It was called Jeremy Corbyn, but you and others like you made sure it didn't materialise.

[@joaquinpraveenvishnu8509]

Gosh Mr. Marr, thank you for telling it as it is. Politics today has become so vile and rotten. We have indeed lost our morale

[@jtrevm]

Sod vision. Give me a leader who first - first - above all can present me with competence. If he or she can do that - then I will be open to consider a hint of vision. We have had enough meaningless blather out of the mouths five PM since 2016. The greatest vision of all (offal?) being by many accounts something which negated the UK's membership of something without a plan. Starmer has need of immense competence first. Combined with harsh wisdom and the ability to say no when all would have him say yes. The language of nuance beckons. The actions of steel await. Boredom?

[@janeknight3597]

Both sides think political vision is like HS2-cancelable if it gets too expensive.

[@denislejeune9218]

I hear the argument, and even like it. But if storytelling is more than just words, it needs to address a reality so complex and contradictory that it must, also, be complex and contradictory (to call this 'good' though, would be a hard hard sell). Then the real problems begin: get the public to go with it; translate the storytelling into actions; get those actions through government; all the while hoping the lobbies and interest groups affected by said storytelling don't nip the whole thing in the bud. Bold can be good if it's good. But somehow our Western societies don't do bold anymore. Not because some of the leaders don't want to, but because the people can't stomach it.

[@jamespires3383]

Why is there a corporation of the city of London and then an English state that rules Wales, Scotland and NI? What is the mission of such an organisation relative to the people who live in what is now known as “UK”

[@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff]

The return of DC and the imminent arrival of Farage as a Tory MP… the shakeup that’s needed

[@TimesFM4532]

If i where labour Id beg Marr to join the comms team. Personally I'd make the message modernization which sounds good and can tie stuff together but its vague enough no one really know what it means

[@alexzarifeh8848]

Fancy standing in the next election Andrew?!

[@Jan-se1nd]

To have and project a positive vision you have to have a positive intention. What are the intentions of those in power now?

[@ashroskell]

Perhaps that vision should involve more, “on shoring,” and commitment to our armed services, manufacturing weapons and enough independent armament to look after ourselves? The two need not be mutually exclusive, and we have reached a point in history where the, “Peace Dividend,” is over, due to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. That vision should be one of growing independence and strength, without brutality.

[@ezzye]

Israel needs to be accountable for its war crimes.

[@joso7228]

Netenyahu needs to be accountable for its war crimes.

[@markzart33]

The whole lot , BiBi, + Hamas need to be held accountable, no more whataboutism. Killing children is always wrong, I shouldn't have to point that out to anyone, but it seems I do. Whether the solution is two states or federation or something else they need to sort it out, Gaza ought to be a highly prosperous city-state on the shores of the Med, BOTH Hamas and Likhud are to blame for why it is the mess that it is.@@joso7228

[@jamespires3383]

It’s best we don’t unpick the past. Who migrated when and where and what societal issues sprung up when. St George is a story that has always fascinated - Britains “attitude” to extortionate money lending is also very interesting. It’s probably just Gulf War Syndrome what I have.

[@antonycraggs4041]

For me, the absence of narrative is not primarily the fault of our politicians, but that of our media. We love in partisan time, with a largely right wing media driven by an agenda set by oligarchs and clicks. Any narrative risks not be being reported accurately, but filtered, skewered and manipulated to fit that agenda. Narrative has ceased to be of practical use to a politician and the population, and is merely oxygen for that agenda.

[@nickcharnley19]

I sort of agree with this, most of my mates have crossed into being 50 and doing ok, but we look up and realise our government is full of muppets on all sides. I have been trying to work out a brexit solution and so far not coming up with anything good, but we respected the process. you are right we need a narrative we can get behind. We have some of the best writers on the globe, this can be done. I hop , I hope

[@patsymccarthy7053]

In this country we vote for the party not for Sunack or Starmer.

[@bnlbnl8892]

As brilliant as he was throughout the decades.

[@jameswhitfield1375]

Could it be that the lack of vision comes down in the end to the fact that Britain is a nation that is in decline? As Uncle Sam's 'poodle', following his voice unhesitatingly, we support policies that we know are wrong, even dangerous, because we feel that our loyalty means more than having an independent voice. The end of the nineteenth century saw Britain hegemonic position challenged. Uncle Sam is in that same position now and, having left the EU, we are with the US or we are adrift in an open boat.

[@emjackson2289]

"As Uncle Sam's 'poodle', following his voice unhesitatingly, we support policies that we know are wrong, even dangerous, " Attlee allowed the formation of the NHS under Bevan Attlee allowed the armament of the RAF with nuclear weapons under Bevin Why did he allow the latter whilst also allowing the former? Because Bevin said he never wanted to be pushed around by the American's ever again. There's an associated cost with every decision, indeed, the Trump rhetoric re: cost of NATO is associated with the belief the cost of European welfare is offset against US spending on defence equipment. Why should that bother Europe one may think, we should just abandon NATO one could say, but should we do that, then any prospect of us ever being able to even fulfil our United Nations commitments would end there and then. But this is the crux of the debate in Labour since probably you and I were born, even before Andrew Marr was born: What is UK foreign policy for?

[@SlowhandGreg]

Fundemantly we have a London problem HS2/3 was the wrong solution but the right idea, improved transport networks including rail bus and road, a link from Hull to Liverpool so continental transportation doesn't rely on Dover

[@EyebrowsGaming]

When its a hypothetical idea, sure we all want a bold new vision that fixes the problems of the past. But when it actually turns up, eg Jeremy Corbyn, with real human flaws and challenges, everybody gets cold feet and poopoos the "bold new idea" because of everything that they see as wrong with it. Nobody wants to take a leap of faith to make our world bigger, only smaller. Thats why we've ended up where we are, in this sad little hole, alone and getting poorer.

[@djtomoy]

I think we just need a cool new flag to lift the country up😊. Maybe red and white with a cool pattern!!

[@gretareinarsson7461]

The fight is about good society based on values, empathy, equality and democracy and exactly the opposite (the politics of SB and the Tory party)

[@joso7228]

Rolls Royce engineers with funny North/Midland accents show that Britain has great technically minded people. Build up our manufacturing base with Quality Products (and mass produced quantity in Levelling Up areas). Made In Britain.

[@ScottishRoss27]

No nearby market to sell into without self imposed barriers

[@juliancripps1580]

Hear hear!

[@peterteagleteagle9958]

If this country only needed a story teller ,we could dig up max Bygrave,what we need is leadership, sunak/starmer are not the answer, someone who's actually going to sort out problems this country faces,he or she also as to listen to people,

[@laurenceskinnerton73]

The country is in a mess!

[@garethking5322]

Honestly, im not even sure. I think what we need is a vision to get the basics of governance and productivity growth right. To deliver higher standards of living. If thats a grand vision, count me in.

[@Scruffed]

Any politician, be they Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, etc. will tell you that their vision and policies deliver what you're saying, and they will surely have examples to give that will illustrate how. It should be much more specific, and preferably it should make it easy to see how current and previous government policies have failed or fallen short of expectations.

[@ritchardwilliams3874]

Politics has never been 'clean' but the out of control Tories have trashed the idea of any self regulation. The country is slowly being degraded on all the fronts that made us proud to be British. I suggest that what we need is a completely different and logical approach to managing the country in place of what looks like a series of ad hoc actions. We need a clear vision statement that describes what sort of a country we aspire to. This is then backed up by a series of strategic objectives to cover all the areas that government is responsible for. These are then broken down into a series of targets with time frames to achieve. This would provide everyone with a logical 'statement' against which progress could be reported rather than the chaos of politicians speaking rubbish and lying. Such an operating framework (though vision objectives, strategies would be different for each Party) would have to be agreed by all Parties. Politicians would be against this because it provides a massive increase in transparency and reporting accountability. While we have the current modus operandi we, the people, have confusion on what is really going on through lack of transparency and accountability. One politician or another may make very good orators but.....governance of a country needs a system of operating and is far to serious to not have clarity. We have seen that Parliament is pretty inept and has been subverted with the PM avoiding any form of factual answers. The way to get this sorted is to think again, be radical and provide a objective, targets and reporting structure that is logical and defined. One that can be clearly stated to the people for them to make informed choices. One that demands factual reporting to provide accountability to the people.

[@dextercool]

It's been mere managerialism since Gordon Brown.

[@kanedNunable]

what have they managed? everything has gone to rack and ruin.

[@0KiteEatingTree0]

There’s a phrase I,ve heard used recently. “Target, Policy” , target a minority, promise a policy or rapidly introduce a law.

[@0KiteEatingTree0]

That seems to the way of things at the moment.

[@oneworld1978]

Wise ❤

[@sophrapsune]

What you are describing is a ruling elite who are spiritually unmoored and drifting.

[@TimothyBushell]

The King's speech was a party political broadcast.

[@susanpettitt713]

Go into any town and City centre looks like dystopia boy we need a new vision. Ge

[@paulcasey5204]

Not helped by having a media dominated by individuals with very specific, very personal, short term interests.

[@glennhempstead6456]

Andrew marr next PM ?

[@sphinx1017]

Personally, I'm fed up of stories. All we get is storytelling. We need sensible policies, politicians with integrity and a desire to actually do work, not just spout bullshit.

[@ScottishRoss27]

Look over there England....Suella Braverman's distraction. Meanwhile UK economy flatlines in Quarter 3 with 0% growth.

[@seanhammon6639]

Brilliant! Brit politics is so small-minded, bitchy, stifled, suffocated and petty. No-one possesses any vision. This video was so well presented, and the subject matter was refreshingly reflective and visionary. Well done.

[@Pedrokere]

Our political system stinks , out of touch, not representative, there is no passion to make this country strong and prosperous,

[@jonkmale1]

Can the sound on the Neil Kinnoch speech be fixed please.

[@lcg8220]

Listening to bits of the kings speech, I feel like much worse and he'd have outright said "Oh for christs sake", he seemed so incredibly unimpressed.

[@adamfarkas7069]

Unfortunately, Adam Curtis' analysis (namely that politicians are no longer the shapers of a country's destiny but mere day-to-day managers with token powers but no real influence on what really matters in the long run) looks more astute now than ever. The kind of statesman/woman Marr is describing here is utterly missing from Britain right now.