Ukraine Looking For Retired F-16 Pilots? Fighter Pilots React.

[@valtertrader1167]

Russians don't wear sandals

[@pogo1140]

No, they just sell the copper in their tanks for alcohol

[@MegaEdward39]

That’s best reply I’ve seen in a very long time!!! Well done 👍

[@louise_rose]

Exactly, and Ukraine is a classic ground war of a scope, intensity and scale the likes of which no NATO country has fought against a modern peer adversary since WW2 - that is , since before the alliance was even launched.

[@joepipito7431]

@@MegaEdward39IVAN DONT SURF 🏄‍♂️

[@asteriosoria6566]

Exactly....Macho man fighting Iraqi.....Cowards fight Russian

[@trevorsutherland5263]

Listening to Lindsey Graham, then to you guys, just confirms for the 100th time something I learned long ago: "War is sweet to those who have no experience of it. But the experienced man trembles exceedingly in his heart at its approach." Pindar

[@b1lyb]

A captured mercenary is not a POW. They can be tried as a criminal.

[@johnnunn8688]

Does it count if they actually sign up to the Ukraine AF?

[@kimklim3267]

@@johnnunn8688 ⁠..are them UA citizens…? No, so…they are mercenaries..not subject of POW treaty, period.

[@zzbudzz]

And if you are captured ..this America government will not help you . Protect yourself don't fall for this b.s

[@leevuong8843]

@@johnnunn8688 Still a foreign mercenary. If caught, will be trialed as a criminal and death penalty is a possibility...

[@MolnarG007]

Way more complex. Depends on command herarchy. Those umder the secret sevice guy, most mercenaries arent pow. But there are exceptions, if you are in their airforce you will be an ukrainian soldier most likely.

[@modenasolone]

This isn't fighting some militants in some sandirtistan country, this is fighting a country that has equal reach.

[@dougt5357]

And doing it in their backyard...

[@frankg323]

No these f16s don't have the latest radar and their standoff missiles lack reach to the ones currently being supplied to ukraine.

[@Terracotta-warriors_Sea]

@@modenasolone difficult for KZbin pilots to go up against peer competitors! They are used to bombing poor countries with primitive or no air forces!

[@tonyhancock4258]

But they kicked you 3:20 r asses too! Lol, what was your point? Name one war the u.s has won, single handed( too scared to do that) or with its allies?? Just one?? Paper tigers cannot fight. You were humiliated all over the world. The Taliban give u.s soldiers nightmares to this day😅

[@Haitian_Vagabond]

It’s a kamikaze job…ejection seat has been removed from the F16s. In case you get shot down (which will happen ) so that Vlad won’t interrogate you and gain invaluable entails.😅

[@ViceCoin]

Send Lindsey Graham, after he loses enough weight on his neck, to fit in the helmet.

[@flanker909]

🤣😂its so easy for them politicians to ask others to risk their lives. Go fight so I can get my fat arse richer while u lose your life.

[@louise_rose]

"He's the best man we've ever spent!" 🔥😄

[@FZ-TAS]

FLG bone dry at that !

[@anarky277]

He doesn't really leave his closet much.....

[@WingedRyno]

Most worthless guy to ever wear a uniform. O-6 JAG reservist who doesn't have a single American principle in his entire body.

[@bernieeod57]

There are Iraq and Afghanistan veterans going over there and coming back frustrated having been on the receiving end of air, artillery, and armor they were used to having on their side

[@joek600]

not frustrated, crying

[@Useaname]

The fact they come back is a tragedy

[@smyers820gm]

@@joek600got a video link? Or you just talking out of your ass 🤷‍♂️🙄

[@bernieeod57]

@@Useaname many don't

[@tabasco-jf7eb]

There's Chanel on KZbin is called tribuntimur ,I think is Indonesian ,showing battle videos,,,few mouths ago I watched a video were a guy from NEW JERSEY got blown away by Russian mortar

[@bigearl3867]

Lindsey Graham should just shut his mouth.

[@sebfettel]

Yea the warmongering is horrible

[@everypitchcounts4875]

I bet he has some $$ hidden in Ukraine as well

[@ellengran6814]

Fight for freedom = Fight for the freedom of WEF to make us all debt slaves and recreate feudalism. Ukrainiens no longer own their country, Blackrock does.

[@europaeuropa3673]

And resign from the Senate.

[@kevinstrade2752]

His a$$ should have been in jail years ago

[@quang922]

"Everyone is Top Gun Maverick until it's time to do some Top Gun Maverick shit"- Tom Cruise

[@jasonkerbs806]

@quang922 very true in the case of these clowns.

[@brandonlongdikjones8117]

Lol

[@skipperclinton1087]

Quang: You just described Mover.

[@ThirstyGreen]

Mover brags with "combat" tour. It is like somebody bragging that we fought 10 gang members, but forgot to mention that he had 100 buddies with him, with a healthy number of the buddies between him and the opponents at any time. I do understand why he does not want to go to Ukraine because a) he has no ties b) the risk is to high (= he has fear, which is nothing bad). And I would not expect him or anybody else to join the war. It is a very personal decision (for those who have the luxury to have a choice). But he should not be surprised that some people call him out when he brags with a low risk "war" "combat" tour (Gulf 2009) under best possible conditions, but decides to not join if the fight is more dangerous than baby seal clubbing. He certainly revealed that he is not a movie like hero. Which is perfectly ok.

[@thecyberdork776]

👍

[@demoncat908765]

Lindsay Graham should be condemned . He should not be in politics.

[@haydukethor]

he’s a war criminal

[@peekaboo1575]

@@demoncat908765 LG has never seen a war he didn't like.

[@zzbudzz]

As a lifelong conservative ..I can't stand that p.o.s!

[@vendo7878]

it is easy to fly over a country that does not have the necessary weapons to shoot down your plane and with the help of support units you have an incredible advantage and you are not practically in danger of being shot down, but in Ukraine you are fighting against someone who has the same possibilities as you, the risk is simply 50:50 on both sides to be shot down or shot down

[@MolnarG007]

Or worse, no proper maintenance, no infrasruvture, and the enemy has 100x jets

[@Frugivorix34]

@@MolnarG007 And better planes and missiles

[@courtneyturner5083]

@@mmedved5567 Serbia…..and F-16 and F-117 were shot down.

[@JohnJones-k9d]

@@courtneyturner5083Remember the Serbian SAMs were 30 years old and obsolete as well.

[@skipperclinton1087]

​@@slowhornet4802: An enemy usually doesn't let the survivors climbing out of a tank survive!

[@phillyflyguy3590]

"The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one."

[@zachansen8293]

One side can unilaterally force a war. Placating doesn't work.

[@chrissmith7669]

The mature man knows what’s worth fighting for while the immature man runs from everything that might test his resolve.

[@23strawbale]

An idiot fights the Wests proxy wars

[@falsch4761]

Just like that Steve Jobs quote, crazy man expect that world is changing for them and sane man changing to suit the world.. That is why crazy man changed the world

[@jeremydalton3595]

​@@chrissmith7669Yeah family and what's right and just the Ukraine is nether right or just attacking civilians is cowardly as it gets while Russia is attacking military targets!

[@mcal27]

Don’t do it guys…. I’d miss the show..but going up against Su-35’s and S400’s in a souped up F-16A is nuts!

[@RyanBrown-nx8dw]

Let them I wanna see this😂😂😂😂

[@mcal27]

@@RyanBrown-nx8dw 😂😂

[@mcal27]

@@RyanBrown-nx8dw serious subject but I nearly wet myself when I read this! Maybe we can get them to livestream a mission?? :)

[@MuffHam]

Even the S300, SU 30 Mig 29s are a major challenge for F16.

[@RyanBrown-nx8dw]

@@mcal27 honestly I'm down let's do it. At the same time I feel bad. Alot of people don't see how many people ( ukranian soldiers) that have died , and wat is nato gonna say T the end but hey... I like a good show

[@AA-or4dt]

People who knew nothing about this conflict before Feb 24th 2022 and who would never risk anything or get involved seem to have the strongest opinions and are the biggest war mongers.

[@mcal27]

exactly!!

[@СерхиоБускетс-ф7я]

These people still don’t know anything. They know nothing about the negotiations that took place right before the invasion of Kursk. Ukraine deliberately disrupted these negotiations. I see the same thing in Iran, I see how Israel deliberately provokes Iran. What unites both these countries? In both places, Jewish Zionists are in power.

[@MauroTriques]

Exactly!

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

Yes sir

[@MuffHam]

Exactly Russia was provoked. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe. Enuff said.

[@brianholden2724]

A nice 4K colour brochure, a pretty Ukrainian female recruiting Officer on the front page F-16 in the background slogan is simple "Come to the Ukraine and fly F-16s" and in the ultra superfine print it says "and if you're lucky we won't shoot you down with a Patriot Missile"

[@jungleboy1]

LOL

[@Valentino6977]

🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@andrews.5212]

If they still have some.. the western propaganda is ignoring the losses in SAMs, Himars and Patrios the kiev regime have taken recently. The west can't even replace losses xD they can barely supply ammo

[@BIOHAZARDXXXX]

@@andrews.5212 The west is a joke, Russia is the powerful country in the world. NATO wouldn't last a day in a real war with RUSSIA.

[@johnnunn8688]

Ah, it’s confirmed as blue on blue then.

[@787UrbanApparel]

Taliban learned to fly quickly after all the toys UncleSam left behind 😂😂😂 They had a parade last week ...

[@Brody961]

There's nothing in this world that excites Lindsey Graham quite like the thought of Americans dying for foreign countries wars

[@theaviator06]

Never trust a man named Lindsey.

[@Brody961]

@earl_gray nonsense? Oh, please do tell. Are you really going to argue Lindsey Graham isn't a war monger that doesn't care about Americans?

[@kensmith174]

🤣 remember the video from like, 2015. Graham and McStain Ukraine hanging out with those Azov guys? Nazi symbols everywhere, and Gram and McCain bragging about how they're gonna arm up and go kill Russians. That leaked video didn't age well! I think there are still edited versions of KZbin, with the Nazi stuff blurred and deleted.

[@robertwallace4515]

This is true

[@Brody961]

@@earl_gray nonsense? Is that really the hill to die on?

[@koteelah9499]

Himars, challenger, Abrams, patriot, leopard, f16, Wow United states must be making lots of money from this war by sending these game changers into battlefield. They have really changed the map of Ukraine- Game changer indeed.

[@jamesdoeberling7830]

The game changers stopped Rutins takeover of Ukraine and beyond Comrade

[@rightiswrongrightiswrong806]

Flying in Afghanistan is not air combat, there are no opposing aircraft or air defence, you drop bombs, missiles and recce with no fear of being engaged, let alone shot down. Combat in Ukraine means dodging S300, 400, BUK-M3, Tor and manpads, a whole layered system reaching out to strike to over 200kms, as well as air to air missiles with far greater range than any missile fitted to F16s, older or not. The US pilots will learn to respect air defence systems, the first time they meet a functioning one since Vietnam. Where will those pilots sleep before getting into their jets, as that is an easy target for Russian missiles also. I'd worry more about Russian ISR and intelligence contacts throughout Ukraine informing the Russian General Staff where all these foreign pilots and F16s are, than worry about whether or not people think you're a traitor for not going. Ukraine already had one of the largest airforces in Europe, where did that go?

[@mrleglove3377]

FAAAAAAAACTS 💯💯💯

[@themanwiththegoldengun1998]

You right about everything fella

[@dhinuksha]

these are Facts!!!

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

Clearly, all F-16s will be staying tens of kilometers behind the frontlines, precisely in order to avoid S300, 400, BUK-M3, Tor and manpads.

[@lt.lasereyez8891]

and then you lie in your bunk at night and an Iskander lands on your head

[@alandaters8547]

Nobody has the right to tell anyone to go fight for another country. With that said, people do that and often get respect for it. Before the US was at war, American pilots went to France to fight Germany in WW1, to England in WW2, and to China to fight against the Japanese in WW2. So yes, there are others who risk it all and hopefully we can respect their choices. Of course, even in our Revolutionary War there were people who came from Europe to help us. Would I do it if I was an F-16 pilot now, no I don't think so.

[@yogiguitar1]

people from britain fought against facism in the spannish civil war because they were brave and felt that they had to fight for justice

[@miketiong8441]

US pilot are willing to fly over Iraq, Afghanistan that are weak and have no air-defense system..... if you fly over Ukraine, you are up against advanced weapons that US pilot will not survive

[@optony9606]

in 1991 they flew over one of the most defenced cities in the world and done well youre talking nonesense

[@MrCampasaurus]

Just like optony said. You can include Vietnam in that, too. American aircraft losses speak volumes on that alone. Oh yea, "US pilots won't survive" Russians wouldn't either, they're lobbing makeshift glide bombs and staying out of the threat area. Just another bot account tbh.

[@vimfuego8827]

@@MrCampasaurus Why is everyone a 'bot' because they don't fly your flag !

[@enatrage2083]

​​@@optony9606you have no idea what you are talking about do you? The immense preperation before the air battle of iraq was wild, almost thousands of planes flied over iraq that day where hundreds were specifically over baghdad. It was a sudden release of force in contrast to a long, prolonged, heavily attritioned war. US pilots have not experienced that, the prolonged war against a formidable adversary. But you'll end up calling me a "russian bot" anyways so why would I even try to educate you?

[@optony9606]

​@@enatrage2083 I don't need to call you a bot. I replied to US pilots not being scared to fly over defended areas. All you did is point out about preparations LoL and the comment I replied to wasnt even talking about that so maybe youre AI and youre not a very smart at convos

[@000T00b]

In my country (South Africa) being a mercenary is a criminal act, no matter what side you are going to offer your services to for blood money. Why ? Because the world is messed up enough, with far too many wars and conflicts and regime change attempts, without having mercenaries adding more death, destruction, human rights violations and human misery to the picture. Your representative Lindsay Graham is a warmonger who cares nothing for human life nor limb, and would never ever put himself in the same life-threatening situations he’s trying to convince others to put themselves into. Stay out of this (and all other conflicts in the world which do not involve you). I have no dog in this fight - and neither do you.

[@tompell3032]

So Ukraine is looking for kamikaze pilots.

[@ManoeKommy]

😂😂😂😂

[@ReallyAtlanta]

lol

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

Why would you go ukraine when we are fighting for freedom here in America

[@Kenny-bj2zq]

Oh, I am sure you have more then a few ex pilots and crew men helping with the training and maybe one or two who might have terminal diseases will actually volunteer

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

America is not even in the top 10 free countries

[@robr135]

The fact that you are using the internet freely is a good indication you Americans are doing pretty well lol.

[@YZF_R6_2020]

fighty against who????? you living in de land of the freedom. The Ukrainians fight to their death for their freedom of their country, for their families.

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

@@robr135 so is ukraine they go to party's nightclubs use the Internet also dose that mean they not at war

[@lk9650]

Ukraine is the most dangerous airspace in the world at he moment, good luck to anyone who decides to do it you are going to need it. I know Lindsey Graham wouldn't have signed up if he was a pilot.

[@Strong70]

Never

[@ManoeKommy]

😂😂😂😂

[@trevorsutherland5263]

Those of you keep bringing up Flying Tigers are flat out wrong about them. They did it *for the money* and virtually all the pilots and ground crew were in it for the thrill and adventure, not for some idealism about "Freedom" (or any real love for Chinese people). Also, Chennault and his pilots knew they were going up against inferior Japanese competition; the vast majority of Flying Tigers kills were vs. the already obsolete Ki-27. Had they been facing Mitsubishi A6Ms of the IJN, the P-40s would have been swept from the sky with ease. They were glory hounds that knew the odds were in their favor; stop rewriting history that they were some principled men walking the "high road" to try to shame Mover and Gonky and others like them...."

[@Eric-ep9rd]

You have to pardon these newbies my friend. They get their history lessons from Hollywood 😂

[@ThirstyGreen]

I doubt that they knew their odds upfront. And about 25 % of their pilots died, so they quickly learned that there mission was dangerous. It was not a turkey shoot like USAF operations in 2009. If they were in for the thrill and adventure (and money), you could call them fools, but they certainly had more courage than some pilots bragging with "combat" tours over Iraq 2009 (2 AF members are listed as casualty for the whole year, not sure if those were pilots). btw, nothing wrong with not joining the Ukrainian war, even if the only excuse would have been that the risks are to high and the odds are far worse than if flying with the full US support and CSAR etc.: you can call these pilots wise men (like you could call the Flying Tiger pilots fools), but the FTs definitively had more courage. And all these replies "sign up if you think Ukraine needs help" are pretty much nonsense: people may have the same main reasons as Mover and Gonky: no ties to Ukraine, own family. Interestingly enough, this did not prevent Mover to go to Iraq though.

[@OhItsThat]

Freedom is at stake here in our own country. Americans need to fight to secure that before doing anything.

[@stupidburp]

Who do you think is spreading this chaos intentionally? There are 5 foreign governments that are doing most of the damage. Russia is on that list.

[@major__kong]

Can you walk and chew bubble gum at the same time? I hope so.

[@LTVoyager]

100%. We should be enlisting volunteers and retired military to secure our borders. That would be something I suspect many vets would respond to positively.

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

So ture

[@everypitchcounts4875]

​@@major__kong Can you sleep & breathe at the same time? I hope so.

[@bearsmith3655]

From an aircraft maintenance standpoint I would be concerned about the level of knowledge and competency on the ground in Ukraine. Parts supply would be an issue also.

[@pogo1140]

Parts are not an issue. Maintenance crews are the issue. They need experienced people to train and lead their crews. NATO and the US are still operating like it's peacetime while the Ukrainians are on a wartime tempo, 1 year training? you have 3 months.

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

​@@pogo1140waawaaawaaa

[@Navigator2166]

I appreciate the insight. The security aspect was not something I had considered. Thank you for the things you do.

[@peekaboo1575]

'Come fight S400, SU 57 and Mig 31 in a F16!' 😂

[@bottlethrower1544]

'Become the first in your squad to claim an F-16 trophy"

[@nightelfuser]

The poor F-16 would not even get to see the MiG-31BM with hypersonic missiles before it gets shot down.

[@Archer89201]

That fight will happen if Patriots let the F-16 survive first

[@Philip-hv2kc]

Russian pilots have low hours . The Russian aviation is being poorly maintained. Soon they will simply fall from the skies .

[@peekaboo1575]

@@Philip-hv2kc "They are running out of missiles, Putin has cancer, they are using washing machine chips, they are using shovels, the 'Ghost of Kiev' is undefeated, [insert wonder weapon here] will change the course of the war, the SU57 is a 4.5 gen fighter", etc. 🙄

[@WingedRyno]

Good on you for speaking common sense, doing so publicly, and while still serving. So much propaganda out there. One of my UPT classmates was from Ukraine and I used to drive him to DLI each weekend for him to hangout with his buddies. Great dude and great pilot. I'll never forget being on his wing in the T-37 for his formation solo and that smart salute before the break. I feel for the Ukrainians but mostly because our government has used them during this fiasco it created.

[@skipperclinton1087]

Well, mover, obviously, utube didn't like what I replied to you about what you said. I'll just say this. Neither Iraq or Afghanistan attacked the US. OSB and Al Queada attacked the US. Iraq was all about regime change and that's was the mission change in Afghanistan. It didn't work did it! No WMD in Iraq was there.

[@yogiguitar1]

it was about grabbing resources . nothing else. thats what the middle east is about. oil! nothing else.

[@straywolf77]

Surprised they haven't brought back the Flying Tigers... US (merc) aviators flying vs the Japanese.

[@mikedelta1441]

what do you think the pilots who accept these offers are?

[@stupidburp]

They are not mercs. They are foreign nationals in the Ukrainian military. We have some foreigners in the US military. They have all the rights under the laws of war just like all other military members. Russia will torture all prisoners anyways regardless of their nationality because they are embracing unlimited war crimes. But you can help in other ways if you don’t want to take that risk.

[@phishENchimps]

@@stupidburp where did you hear that?

[@chrissmith7669]

@@phishENchimpsit’s widely reported by everyone but the Krem-lin media. There’s been enough cases opened it’s obviously both wide spread and supported by the leadership

[@chrissharkey6172]

The Tigers fought with honour unlike the usa today letting others die for your interests 😢

[@Coldwarrior7781]

Well damn......I guess two weeks of training wasn't enough. Who knew?

[@BIOHAZARDXXXX]

It was almost certainly friendly fire from a Ukrainian SAM site. That guy was one of their best pilots unfortunately.

[@Coldwarrior7781]

@@BIOHAZARDXXXX Sounds like the missile men needed a longer course too

[@aykay9328]

To die for that fool of a president? Never

[@ayeidoucareau5014]

Which president do you mean? Bush senior or Bush junior?

[@zemm9003]

​@@ayeidoucareau5014 it could apply to those, Biden or Zelensky.

[@aykay9328]

@@zemm9003 both

[@black_triton9264]

When foreign "volunteers" go home all F'd Up, they can live off Ukrainian VA benefits 😂

[@charlie15627]

Imagine Mover on some Telegram video, in a Russian detention center being questioned by a group of Russians, after getting shot down by his own side. Wondering if the US will trade some prisoner for him.

[@ronalddizon4017]

No, the US will not trade him because the US will disown him. As they always say "We're not involved in this war. That American F-16 pilot went there on his own as a mercenary".

[@johanmetreus1268]

@@ronalddizon4017 Screw that Kremlin narrative. Any volunteer going to Ukraine will be joining the national armed forces and thus per definition is NOT a mercenary... something the USA government has made perfectly clear already.

[@alexv1269]

@@johanmetreus1268 give it a try then.. and who cares what some government "makes perfectly clear" ?

[@johanmetreus1268]

@@alexv1269 are you trying to pretend that Kremlin doesn't give a hoot about the international laws and treaties they blatantly break?

[@foshizzlfizzl]

​@@johanmetreus1268This is incorrect, but hey if you think you know it better, good luck to find out.

[@cup_and_cone]

Now is the time for all the 'professional DCS pilots' to shine.

[@pogo1140]

We've already had a demonstration that a DCS pilot was able to beat an AI that none of the real F-16 and F-15 pilots were able to beat.

[@Bronco-1776]

@@pogo1140 Really? ...Details?

[@pogo1140]

@@Bronco-1776 Go back a few months, AI pilot was making head on gun attacks, US pilots don't, the DCS pilot did because we are conditioned to make them. DCS and other sim pilots don't have minimum altitudes, min separation, safety bubbles that real pilots train with and are conditioned to maintain to the point that it's instinct. Because real pilots in the real world die, DCS pilots just hit the reset button.

[@jeffhood-s2q]

time to walk the walk

[@abrakadavra3193]

Ukraine just retired one of their own F16 pilots.

[@xvy333]

😂 that's quick !

[@Bob10009]

@@xvy333but not funny.

[@xvy333]

@@Bob10009 Rip to the pilot but 4 that f16 , it wasn't that mighty !

[@adrianshephard224]

@@Bob10009 Indeed it is FUNNY. Funny how you all thought F16 is some "wonder weapon" that can do miracles. Still gonna burn like Leopards, Abrams, Challengers, etc...

[@monaliza3334]

BORZZIKMAN have a great show about it today. They didn't even know what heat them... -RIP- .

[@heikojakob6491]

"The right of the people to not give a shit about politics, let alone politics between countries abroad, shall not be infringed." The missing amendment.

[@ghog15]

I do kinda give a shit about billions of our tax money being flushed down the toilet so that Lindsey Graham and other politicians like him can get rich from perpetual wars in other countries. But yeah, I understand the sentiment

[@Primaate]

Increasingly we in the West are being brainwashed into sacrifices OS for a Globalist agenda.

[@FKNomad]

So true

[@johanmetreus1268]

"I havva *right* to remain ignorant, and darn if I'm scared to use it!"

[@ObjectiveAnalysis]

@@johanmetreus1268 nailed it 😂

[@justin8894]

Not gonna do it? So you’re NOT suicidal? 👍

[@OnceUponaTimeline]

That even sucks as a method of suicide though.

[@unclerojelio6320]

Gonky’s eloquence leaves me in tears as usual.

[@evanfinch4987]

what

[@issadraco532]

@@evanfinch4987 HE SAID "GONKY'S ELOQUENCE LEAVES ME IN TEARS AS USUAL" did you hear that now?

[@navajojohn9448]

Ukraine had a peace deal until US errand boy Boris Johnson told Zelenski don't do any peace deals.

[@pogo1140]

Oh BS, Ukraine was at war with Russia since 2014. Even earlier than that as there are numerous incidents of Russia shooting at Ukrainian ships or ramming them, blocking Ukrainian commercial ships from passing through the Kersh straits from the Azov Sea to the Black sea

[@Iamabot4708]

​@@pogo1140the Russians wouldn't have respected a peace deal and probably will never respect one but I doubt as many ukrainians would be dead right now

[@BIOHAZARDXXXX]

Do you even know the conditions of that initial peace deal? No you don't. LOL

[@dougt5357]

@@BIOHAZARDXXXX If you do even a little bit of research you can find the details and they were much more favorable to Ukraine than what they will get in a couple of months when their military has totally collapsed.

[@chrissmith7669]

No. Zelensky and all of Ukraine were outraged after the butchery in Bucha and Mariupol were brought to the worlds attention. After that Ukraine wasn’t going to play the west‘s appeasement game any longer

[@N.California]

I have nothing against Russia and no allegiance towards or for Ukraine. I wouldn't die or kill as a hired hand.

[@smyers820gm]

You probably never served anybody a day in your life so your comment makes perfect sense 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@boom1538]

@@smyers820gm you serve your wife's boyfriend and try to make an example of it? cuck down boy

[@adrianshephard224]

@@smyers820gm "You never served anybody" - spoken like a true slave...

[@smyers820gm]

@@adrianshephard224 cries out, the selfish man who only ever served his own interests 🤔 EDIT: to serve doesn’t equal slave. You should look those words up in a dictionary and learn their meaning so you don’t look so foolish 🤷‍♂️

[@adrianshephard224]

@@smyers820gm I think my friend that you should take a good hard look into the word meaning "SERVE". As a someone who is willing to sacrifice his own life and obey orders without question, you essentially are the SLAVE. You don't have to talk me into anything because I ain't buying your "we good guys war sacrifice, honor, duty bla bla bla" BS narrative. I am kinda smarted than that. You can go "sacrifice" all day long. I am pretty sure Graham and people like him will appreciate the sacrifice. You can go to war veterans without medical insurance, without job, living in tents underneath bridge and you can preach them your narrative. I am pretty sure they will fully agree with you and enlist again. As for me, I ain't interested. However I am fully interested in commanding over you, taking money, buying mansions, having servants and a shipload of prostitutes to serve me as well. You can clean my toilet. And you can be proud of that service as well. I will even add few praises every once a while how my toilet is sparkling clean while I take a dump. I think that is fair offering. So serve for me slav... I mean serviceman...

[@Max_Da_G]

Ok, so lets imagine we got 70 western pilots to fly 35 F-16s. Cool. Where will the F-16s be based? Inside Ukrainian territory? Those are under constant recon by Russia, and Russia has shown itself capable of attacking every single part of Ukrainian territory all the way out to Polish border. So safe basing doesn't exist on Ukrainian mainland. Second: Russia has the whole Ukrainian airspace monitored. And it can use both long range interception by aircraft AND by SAMs. Range far longer than missiles available to Ukrainian F-16s can achieve. Also Russia can easily target those AEWaC aircraft that Sweden offered, so situational awareness will also be higher on Russian side. Su-35S and MiG-31BM have higher kinematic capabilities (higher cruising speed) which makes them more difficult to intercept than vice-versa. Basically F-16s are outnumbered, outflanked and outgunned. Ukraine itself is basically dead. There is nothing in it for anyone to fly there. What are those F-16s going to do? Try to achieve air superiority? Impossible under these conditions. Fly on rare occasion to fire a stand-off weapon? Yea, ok, maybe. But that's about it. And even that is dangerous.

[@JackMenthe]

Make sure the "Patriot crews" have your transponder codes. AMEN!

[@tabasco-jf7eb]

Sure it was patriot 😂😂 or the f16 stopped ✋️ a Russkies missile 😂😂😂

[@hksp]

it got downned by su57 , patriot iff is BS

[@robstone4537]

@@tabasco-jf7eb Only the Russkies regularly claim they have shot down their aircraft because incompetence somehow sounds better than admitting that western weapons are superior.

[@elearnplay8714]

Bad idea. If a ukrainian pilot cant survive on his own turf, you think a foreigner will? He will be truly retired.

[@pogo1140]

The Ukrainian pilots have survived for 2 years so far while facing an 10-1 odds.

[@r.m2072]

@@pogo1140 survived by barely flying

[@pogo1140]

@@r.m2072 You fly when you have a plane available. Ukraine is flying old Russian built planes with no source of spare parts. The bulk of their spare parts come from scavenged from no-flying planes that were bombed by the Russians and cannibalizing combat coded planes that have been damaged. Currently 45-70 from the 140-200 planes that survived the initial attacks in 2022.

[@Ioo-nd6hf]

​@@pogo1140easy to claim you survive if you don't fly.

[@pogo1140]

@Ioo-nd6hf the Ukrainians were flying. Not as much with just 45 to 70 planes and no spare parts and no missiles or bullets, but they

[@chrispartridge1183]

Brilliant episode and great points made, so clearly as ever.

[@smetljesm2276]

Next will be ads in gaming universe for Microsoft flight simulator enthusiasts

[@jeffhood-s2q]

go go gadget

[@libancamey1589]

The wall stream media says, as mercenaries for former fighter Jet of F16 Pilots are highly demanded, because of The Russian are retreating forwards, The Ukrainian are also advancing backwards.

[@Av-vd3wk]

I have 15,000 hours in LOMAC, DCS, and Falcon 4.0!!

[@JohnCarlyle]

You're hired!

[@philipliethen519]

What is your point?

[@braveworld2707]

It means he's current with perking on his joystick.

[@matthewgibbs6886]

overqualified sry

[@klausbinder9048]

You should have spent those 15,000 hours with nice women and friends.

[@gonzomlynarczyk6446]

Thank you guys for date stamping your video. So few podcasts do this simple and important thing

[@andreim841]

If only your politicians would be as dedicated to the US as Mover is...Only if...

[@ifly64s]

Senator Graham is a retired US Air Force Colonel. He's done his part.

[@sebfettel]

​@ifly64s he's a warmonger

[@kensmith174]

🤣 Yea, he got rich from money laundered through Ukraine. Remember the big scandal with Zelensky re-unvesting US foreign aid with Bankman Fried crypto exchange, who then donated it to a bunch of Democrats and a few Republicans? ( Graham, McConnell, among others).

[@deantait8326]

@@ifly64s Fine but he’s been a big talker and do nothing Senator for at least a decade…. IMO: he’s lost any honor and credibility he might have earned, as an Air Force officer….

they'd abolish the FED immediatlely

[@roberts9521]

Only thing I can say about Movers statement is, well said and Amen. Thank you all for your service.

[@sherwoodski]

Yes it's not a sport. That's what gets me when an athlete in a game says it's a war. No it's a game! War is he'll and war sucks!

[@skeeter3080]

To quote russell Casse from independence day..."I can fly, I'm a pilot".

[@zambani]

That's a good one.🤣

[@dougt5357]

Keep that coffee comin'...

[@dannyjohnsonsgarage]

I believe he was so drunk he said “I’m fly. I’m pilot” 😂

[@kevinstrade2752]

Russian air defenses are the best in the world, it has to be, the sheer size of Russia alone makes air defense essential. The F-16 is 50 years old! No way I would climb into one and fly in Ukraine. From what I understand the F-16's there are old 80's Dutch planes with thousands of hours on thier airframes.....unless one has a death wish, I would not advise flying for that cesspool of corruption and ignorance!

[@BIOHAZARDXXXX]

American jets are JOKE, this is why Russia is winning

[@stupidburp]

They have over 25 of their best air defense systems surrounding Moscow. Hundreds of drones and missiles have gotten through anyways.

[@justapassione5554]

​@stupidburp So, did f-16 ever fly in Moscow? You know that the same drone can do the same to Washington d.c. right?

[@mananaVesta]

@@stupidburp And how many got shot down? No air defense is perfect, especially against very small stuff launched locally.

[@Redmanticore]

On 28 September 2023, a Russian S-300 surface-to-air missile shot down a friendly Su-35 near the Tokmak region. The preliminary report suggests the S-300 missile's fire control radar could not identify friend or foe, leading to a friendly fire incident that downed the Su-35.[113][114][115] On 2 August 2024, Ukraine struck four Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile systems in Crimea. According to CNN news, four S-400 systems were severely damaged by the Ukrainian attacks.[149][150]

[@dark_memer42]

I agree with all your reasons and would like to add that the threat level inside Ukraine would be much higher than what you probably faced in the past.

[@f14flyer11]

We have ties to Ukraine to the tune of unaccounted for hundreds of millions of our tax dollars.... I am with you Mover...

[@zachansen8293]

We don't send them cash, you know.

[@BIOHAZARDXXXX]

@@zachansen8293 No these idiots don't know that lol

[@chrissmith7669]

There’s not unaccounted for money given to Ukraine. It’s the age old problem our military can’t properly audit itself let alone someone they are supporting. Big difference

[@smyers820gm]

Misinformation 🙄

[@nicowrathz2243]

I wonder if there are any ties between your remaining 3 neurons and your hands when you type anything, something tells me nope but it's OK

[@robertswertfager6778]

All valid points Mover and Gonky. Different things motivate different people. I imagine there are several former Viper drivers who would volunteer for the right reasons, just like several who would do it for the wrong reasons you laid out. Great show.

[@jamesm3123]

You would be going up against modern 5 gen fighters. Not arabs with rpgs.

[@cdyjv118]

5th gen like what?

[@m.g7809]

@@cdyjv118 Su57 are operating there. You can quibble like an armchair expert on their capabilities, but they are damn sure more capable than F-16s.

[@cdyjv118]

@@m.g7809 SU-57s arent real 5th gen. Thats a fact

[@cdyjv118]

@@m.g7809 Super maneuverability and post-stall capes dont make you 5th gen. Modded Vipers, Hornets, and Flankers were doing those same exact moves back in 1993.

[@m.g7809]

@@cdyjv118 Already said I don't care about your armchair expertise brother.

[@rays14ful]

Absolutely correct. You serve under the command of the United States Air Force wearing a US armed forces uniform. Your loyalty is the the US. Not Ukraine or any other country.

[@oxxnarrdflame8865]

Have you ever notice that the further a dude is from the front the more hawkish they are?

[@RAYROTHSTEIN66]

I say you leave it up to the pilot, I can say this, if your of ukrainian decent within 2 generations and are an ex pilot, that is a green light for them to go support their homeland their current family may still live in.

[@davidcampbell2270]

Here's hoping that peace breaks out. Great commentary. US veterans help the USA, and Ukraine by staying home.

[@TheBongReyes]

I think is perfectly fine if other pilots wants to go to Ukraine. That’s their choice. They take the consequences of their choices. That said, it’s fine for other pilots to have nothing to do with Ukraine. Aside from watching from the outside, those pilots have their own priorities. Ukraine isn’t the center of the world. It should be treated as such.

[@Bronco-1776]

Since when was it "fine" to sign up to fight on the side of the bad guys? NATO started this war in 2014, sabotaged the Minsk Agreement, sabotaged the Istanbul agreement and the AFU had been shelling the ethnic Russians indiscriminately in the Donbass for the 8 years before Russia got involved. So, it could be that it is fine to go sign up to fight on the side of the Russians.

[@miramaric4383]

Very well said. Fair and balanced .👍

[@jeffhood-s2q]

this is not one size fits all

[@Peter-y5y9i]

Some people see this as an existential battle between freedom and dictatorship. Some are prepared to die for that ideal. If they want to go, let them.

[@Bronco-1776]

@@Peter-y5y9i But people who see it that way have no idea about the real world and are ignorant, stupid and dangerous and should not be encouraged in any way.

[@avp5964]

Funny to see the difference between pilots and infantry on this. "I only want to engage easy targets, otherwise it's not my war"

[@FloridaPete1948]

You would die even flying a perfect F-16. Russian air defense is just too good...and yeah. Im a Viet Nam vet in Kharkiv Ukraine right now as a tourist...dozen plus rockets fell on the city today...some near my apt. managers home. Wars SUCK😢

[@smyers820gm]

Sorry but you’re wrong. We come a long way in dealing with Russian air defenses since your war. No offense 🤷‍♂️

[@adrianshephard224]

@@smyers820gm Oh? How is he WRONG and you are RIGHT? SAM sights from Vietnam are now cutting edge S300, S400, S450, S500, hell an old S125 NEVA managed to detect and shoot down F117, and damage another. But hey, Russian defense is BAD! Ukraine can win a war in outdated 50 year old plane that probably is on the END of it's service life! But he is nobody YOU are the EXPERT. BTW, S200 detected F35 and damaged it over Syria. "Bird strike" my A$$!

[@FloridaPete1948]

@smyers820gm I'm not wrong. Russia's current air defense systems are demonstrably better than 50 years ago. Our Patriot systems are NOT doing well in Ukraine either. Russia's EW systems are dealing with Patriots better than the brainwashed US media reports as well. Military. Spokespeople on media in the US like General Jack Keane on FOX are just a disgrace in BS'n The American public about the abilities of the American military.... And lying about the weaknesses of the Russian armed forces. Very sad.

[@themanwiththegoldengun1998]

​@@smyers820gmfiring 8 atacms at a S400 battary isn't dealing with it, there is a reason you don't hear much about atacms as late, don't be foolish, it's not a game, the Russians are very capable

[@smyers820gm]

@@themanwiththegoldengun1998 actually it is. ATACMS is cheaper than s400. And it’s a less complicated system. S400 is a battery that has multiple units that must work together for the system to function. Remove one of those elements and the s400 is removed from the battlefield leaving a huge swath of sky open for aircraft to be utilized. I never said it was a game but my comment still stands. We have multiple options to remove s400 from the battlefield. Your feelings aren’t going to change this. It is irrefutable fact that 🤷‍♂️. Also, just because you don’t “hear” about atacms doesn’t mean anything 🤦‍♂️. News reports aren’t like McDonald’s where you have it “your way”. That is the most ridiculous statement ever 🙄. Have you heard a single story confirming the s400 shot down anything 🤷‍♂️. The answer is no. But yet you’re here defending it 🤷‍♂️

[@ImranKhan-ty6mx]

So not willing to fight against countries with an Airforce. Got it.

[@williamcrowl2182]

I hear they are offering a great retirement package....

[@StjepanP-m7z]

It's called ''6 feet under'' package.

[@Isaac-muntz]

​​@@StjepanP-m7zS400 serving missles up front too

[@derekferguson385]

Fighting for Blackrock 🤷‍♀️

[@trussedcookie2762]

I would sign up

[@fredbyoutubing]

Alternatively, would you train young Ukrainian pilots, and after a day of playing shirtless volleyball on the beach, you decide that you should go with them to increase their chance of winning?

[@no_regerts5176]

Top Gun 3 now has a plot….

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

Pooop

[@dougt5357]

The word on the street is that most of the Ukrainian pilots who are getting trained are spending more time doing whatever they can to get a Section 8 out of the program since they want no part of the Russian air force or air defenses in aircraft they are barely familiar with.

[@fredbyoutubing]

@@dougt5357 is the street your best source of information because Telegram is getting shut down?

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

Amsrican citizens cant even defend the borders but thry want us to go help ukraine

[@pogo1140]

I take it you never learned to walk and chew gum?

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

@@pogo1140 we don't need to we not sending out kids ot tax dollars to ukraine no more let trump just win the election and wait and see

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

@@pogo1140 I'd take it your a European so ypu definitely don't know how to or else ypu would have fought your wars without begging Americans to help ypu if it wasn't for us Americans ypu would be replying to me in German

[@dudeonyoutube]

@KamBam-ni3pt You funny guy. 80% of total german kia and wounded werre on the Eastern front. IOW Russians destroyed 80% of Germany's military while Britain Canada and the USA did the 20%. 🤣🐄💩

[@ThirstyGreen]

well, yes, good point, the native Americans indeed struggled to fight off the invasion from Europe.

[@johnhynes7784]

This is what happens when people who know what they are talking about offer opinions. Rare on youtube, particularly about war.

[@sonnyeastham]

Lindsey a lil` too....flamboyant for regular folks...😊

[@metubepick2008]

You nailed it! You are not a traitor and you have a clear understanding of the situation.

[@MrLeadb1]

The USA started this Ukraine conflict.

[@wolfgangkranek376]

Soros, Nuland, Freeland, Blinken, McCain. All active in Ukraine since 1990, and also behind the coup at the Maydan.

[@a320sideslipproblems4]

Are you serious!?

[@MrLeadb1]

@@a320sideslipproblems4 The plan is there to read in the 2019 Rand report.

[@rare_kumiko]

I too remember American tanks crossing the border on February 24th 2022. Or the American "little green men" infiltrating Ukraine in 2014, as the real start of the war. Sir are you stupid?

[@ReallyAtlanta]

@@a320sideslipproblems4 Absolutely. They are profiting by the billion off of this. The weapons/planes/etc. is not free. Nearly every American Presidency is marked by some type of war that ends with an ungodly amount of profit.

[@paperburn]

As a maintainer i can tell you that should be a hard NO.

[@a.f.marquez7874]

My grandpop is a retired 1986 F16 pilot I may ask him if he wants to join the corrupt clown president retired pilots activation unit

[@smyers820gm]

Your grand pop is probably a retired drug smuggler from Suarez 😂😂😂😂

[@marktisdale7935]

Great take on this guys.

[@xvy333]

Game changers : Abrams, leopard, challenger, himars, ATACMS, Patriots, storm shadow, F16 😂 went horribly wrong. Point is damage happens 2 both sides so would be fair to stop underestimating Russia's capabilities .

[@pogo1140]

It would be fair to stop over estimating Russia's capabilities

[@xvy333]

@@pogo1140 U$ is a master

[@davidschlageter5962]

My jaw hit the floor when Lindsay Graham asked for Americans to go fight Russia. An American F16 with an American pilot attacking Russians is FUBAR.

[@andyhughes1776]

Also, you don't bring a knife to a gunfight. The 40 year old F-16 was a great fighter for its time but it is no match for today's Russian Integrated Air Defense.

[@pogo1140]

The Russian integrated Air Defense that has been the cause of 1/2 of Russia's fixed wing aviation losses including an AWACS plane? Below 300ft, Russian GBAD is non-existent 10 miles from the line of contact. You can even operate above 10,000ft depending on the distance to the line of contact. Russian fighters don't come within 30 mile of the line of contact because somewhere down there are road tripping Ukrainian SAMs

[@andyhughes1776]

@@pogo1140 LoL ..and where did you get your propaganda Rambo News from? 😀😃😄😁

[@pogo1140]

@@andyhughes1776 It's been an open secret for 2 years now bub. Russians have lost planes to SAMs in areas where no Ukrainian SAMs could reach

[@BIOHAZARDXXXX]

@@andyhughes1776 Have you been following the war? It turns out that big and scary famous russian air defense has been a paper tiger this whole time. Along with their pathetic military that really thought it could capture Kiev in a week 😆

[@rightiswrongrightiswrong806]

@@BIOHAZARDXXXX It was General Milley who said Russia wanted Kiev in 3 days. The Russians said they would liberate Donbas, and they are. Silly Milly hasn't a clue what goes on in Russia, given he doesn't live there or speak Russian, and is certainly not getting copies of Russian plans.

[@robertlawson4295]

"Come fly with us, come die with us ..."

[@georgecooksey8216]

Excellent discussion. Thank you for your perspectives.

[@vimfuego8827]

A very sensible attitude and well explained.

[@zeroeve]

With new SAM from russia & china, flying old f16 is just stupid suicide mission.

[@AjitMD]

The big difference is that any F-16 pilot would be facing Russia integrated air defense systems, including long range SAMs, Russian Air Force, flying old planes with questionable maintenance and support. Not some goat herders in Afghanistan.

[@adityasilwal7069]

One of those first few f16's have already crashed...

[@B.E.st.]

Shot down by Russian federation. Don't spin lies of the nazis.

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

Shot down by patriot system

[@John.S.Patton]

Probably got shot down by russia

[@zachansen8293]

That happens during a war. Enemy fire and friendly fire are both risks in war.

[@adityasilwal7069]

@@zachansen8293 US made patriots dowing US made f16's.? That happens generally in wars.?

[@dinismantas7265]

Fair enough it is not for everyone and there may be practical reasons for it. However, like the last guy said, others may disagree.

[@tomw6271]

I'm all for fighting to defend the United States of America and only the United States of America because my family lives here. I used to love what America stood for but I don't love foreign forever wars, or domestic marxist and immoral causes. I'm all for defending my family though.

[@pogo1140]

It's called isolationism. Really popular back in the 1930's, back when the US had NAZI organizations marching in Washington DC and were actively telling Americans that the war was not "America's" war.

[@chadindhaka]

How would you compare this call for foreign pilots as Chennault did creating the Flying Tigers or the formation of the American Eagle squadron during the Battle of Britain?

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

Many good points of discussion. However, my observation is that people always talk themselves into whatever position they have determined beforehand.

[@Redmanticore]

he said he would fight in f16 in usa flag, but what are the chances of that happening? absolutely zero. if he wished to use the f16 in a real war, this would be the last time.

[@valkoharja]

Excellent points about the danger of getting captured. I still kind of hope some NATO trained pilots decide to put their lives on the line for Ukraine in this.

[@MadeleineTakam_Info_on_Profile]

You don’t tend to get educated pilots, that support the ideology of Azov. Maybe some gamers, who play flight sims.

[@frankbieser]

I don't know Mover. Would you have said the same thing to the American pilots that flew for England during the battle of Britain before the US entered WWII? Or the pilots of the Flying Targets that fought for China against Japan? Certainly it's a personal choice, and the risks you list are genuine. But, for a pilot who feels strongly enough that Russia needs to be stopped, just like those WWII pilots thought the Nazis needed to be stopped regardless of what the US government was doing, I would hope the US would not prevent them from going.

comparing Russia and nazis or even WW2 japan is nuts

[@everypitchcounts4875]

China continues to show US how grateful they are

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

Well this is not ww2 and russia is not nazi germany

[@pogo1140]

Not really, Putin has Nazi's fighting for him in Ukraine, in his youth groups, in his News organizations, providing security for his party's political events

[@jkl9984]

US isn't stoping the retiree's from going. The government actually couldn't care less about vets.

[@agegroot5666]

For almost decades a Ukrainian majority of 66% didn't want their country to join NATO but it was already decided by a small group of people in the 90s in the US, other NATO-members had no say in that decision. When such a big percentage don't want it over and over again, you should stop the reckless strive.

[@navajojohn9448]

Flying F16s in Ukraine can be dangerous. Ukraine just used a US Patriot missile to shoot one of theirs down. Zelenski fired the officer in charge but where there is one there may be more bad officers.

[@demsrchildabusers7959]

Probably a Euro or an American in charge.

[@everypitchcounts4875]

I wonder if he'll get the reward $ Putin put on those F-16

[@zachansen8293]

@@everypitchcounts4875 Too soon, but that is kinda funny.

[@colleenpeck6347]

Zelensky is asking Biden for CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS to come to Ukraine to repair and maintain the F16's. Obviously, the answer is "No!"

[@philhines]

I think that’s completely fair enough Mover. I am a big supporter of Ukraine, but you’ve got to go to fight when it makes sense to you, and you’re motivated with your own reasons, not because someone else thinks you should.

[@jeffhedrich3551]

Interesting we don’t ask the same questions of radar operators or elint operators. They’re happy to go. Despite the fact that they’re furnishing and supporting the war against Russia. But the moment there’s risk, the equation changes.

[@KamBam-ni3pt]

Let them losers go we are not

[@patrikfloding7985]

War against Russia? You do know they started the aggression?

[@zachansen8293]

@@KamBam-ni3pt "losers"???

[@Redmanticore]

@@KamBam-ni3pt yeah real men stay at home drinking beer watching telly they are total losers not like us we are the brave

[@MrMaul80]

I agree 100 % with Mover