Ukrainian Forces Refuse To Adapt Turtle Tanks Giving Russians Massive Advantage

[@Ceiling_Gato]

Remember when the Western media mocked Russians for turtle tanks?

[@EnochianServant]

Remember wgen the cia blew up Nordstrom n then said Russia blew up their own pipe LOL. LONG LIV THE RUSS who had our backs in 1776!!!🎉❤🎉❤

[@Boza5070]

West mocked Russians for everything...

[@ediriswanto8394]

​@@Boza5070when western media mock shovel missile

[@53Strat]

I remember the same people that mocked me for nothing taking the covid jab mocking the Russians and believing in total destruction. Look at Europe now lol

[@theshadow7201]

​@@Boza5070 yeah, shovels washing machines, high loss of life and equipment.

[@lordumas]

I'd rather look stupid than be dead.

[@aribitonyemohammedokiri4128]

Hmmmm

[@benni-lu1op]

In the russian army you can be both!

[@rebelliousfew]

@@benni-lu1opUh-huh.

[@paulcornwall7258]

@@benni-lu1op dream on

[@Randomized91]

​@@benni-lu1op ok atleast they have new territories

[@smugshrug]

the grim reality is the AFU probably doesn't have the resources and manpower necessary to adapt anymore.

[@gjs9366]

"Blind, loud and stupid" - a fitting description of NATO

[@thehturt5480]

👍😂🤣

[@Typical187-]

INCOMPETENT , INEPT , DELUSIONAL , some more of nato abilities !!

[@gabrielb7987]

Remember when F16s were supposed to be the game changer? Meanwhile turtle tanks: 😊

[@michaelnarramore3415]

Never mind them Turtle tanks, You want to see what those Russian shovels can do!

[@milanpesic5911]

I mean Ukraine is using mostly western tanks that are not really compatible with the modifications needed for them to be turned into turtle tanks. What I mean by that is that the western tanks are already quite heavier than the Russian tanks and putting on them the modifications for turtle tanks will make even heavier and incompatible with the Ukrainian muddy terrain

[@cotizacionesequipo1719]

Good point.

[@paja2788]

Nah. Tanks are so heavy that cage makes no difference

[@GHatzis-g8t]

They still have Soviet stuff, no? Or their stockpiles been shot. I seen a video of they flying alligators

[@jamesdewane1642]

​@@paja2788Right. Tanks on the order of 60 or 70 tons. Are they adding 2 or 3 tons of chicken wire and whatnot? 5% heavier? Like reactive armor, once you know something is useful, it's time to add it.

[@dragooons176]

It's like 10-15 extra tons of weight. A fraction of that had turned the Abrams from a heavy as fuck MBT into a severely overloaded tank at the reasonable limits it can handle. 10-15 tons on the version the Ukrainians have is just about the worst idea possible. The Leopard 2 and Challenger 2's aren't handling much better., furthermore all of them are large tanks, following the square cube law to get a similar effectiveness out of a turtle tank modification it would be closer to 15-25 tons easily instead of the 10-15 for a Soviet tank. This would also take away almost all advantages they offer. The turtle tank modification isn't a gentle one. It is also likely they just don't have the industrial capacity anymore to take say thirty of remaining soviet era tanks off the front, full refurbish them, swap out the engine and transmission so it has some operational life in it's new role, and then ship them back out. Which falls under their inability to adapt. Even if a nation can see something they NEED to embrace, and even if you can get an hilariously corrupt list of folks to sign off on it, if the material, vehicles, and industry just isn't there or isn't open for that use, that's that.

[@elisabetaeden]

The Abrams is too heavy to be used as a turtle tank. It will bog down and most likely get stuck in the mud.

[@EnochianServant]

Its also gasoline in order to be better at burning fuel while not going the distance

[@arostwocents]

Exactly. Challenger bogs down at its natural weight.

[@Fokysnik2]

So, the choice: A - look stupid and leave for another Thirty (plus) Years. B - Look Cool for next 30 minutes. Hmm... tough choice... NOT!

[@alterego157]

Evolution always takes its toll.

[@nedialkosimonov3893]

Western tanks is to heavy already to put them more weigh 😂😂😂

[@largemouthbass355]

The original intention behind the concept of a tank was that it was a turtle tank. I know modern doctrine has strayed away from that for along time. So I’m even surprised its swinging back the other direction.

[@arostwocents]

Very true. The initial combat usage saw some break down and survive all day and half the night in no mans land.

[@andersonarmstrong2650]

9:18 How cute that Abrams looks, touched as it is by the thoughtful and considerate Russians! Perhaps the Americans forbid Ukrainians turning their superior Abrams into inferior Russian turtles? Must be an aesthetic thang, bro!

[@arostwocents]

I think America probably did forbid it. It would damage sales to admit they need to be 🐢

[@richieingoogleworld6524]

Invalidates the warranty lol

[@HarryF-tz5fo]

@@richieingoogleworld6524 pretty sure you can get extended warranty from india.

[@dragooons176]

Weight issue, the Abrams started out as a very heavy tank, and saw it become severely overloaded with further variants and improvements in the form of a fair amount of weight added as a result. What the Ukrainian's have isn't the heaviest of them but this would mean adding 10-15 tons just to match the exact dimensions of a T-62's turtle modification. Realistically it would need a 15-25 weight modification due to the square cube law to match the same effectiveness. At that point that isn't a turtle tank, it's an anti drone bunker that in THEORY can move with only a mere weekly full transmission swap. Like dumping a 1 ton boulder on top of a Volkswagen beetle and watching it try to climb a cliff levels of severely overloaded is what it would do to an Abrams.

[@HarryF-tz5fo]

@@dragooons176 bigger issue is procurement the defense contractors would demand billions up front.

[@THELASTOFTHEX]

New national animal of Russia is the Turtle, Bear is retired.

[@ВалентинПузыня]

Да... черепаха большая, громкая, медленная, слепая, неспособна или ограничена в огневой мощи... Но ее задача толкать перед собой противоминные катки, тянуть на себе РЭБ и собирать на себя дроны. Это просто своего рода таран... который можно соорудить а базе любого танка, практически без потери характеристик...

[@GHatzis-g8t]

It’s works as advertised. But they’ll have the video of one getting slammed and propagandize all day about it

[@ВалентинПузыня]

@@GHatzis-g8t так никто и не говорит, что они неуязвимы. их задача принимать на себя удары, пока бронемашины не высадят пехоту. А так... что один человек построил, другой завсегда сломать сможет.) Это всего лишь вопрос времени и затрат...

[@arostwocents]

The men who drive 🐢 are Hella brave

[@thanakornkhumon7365]

"To be fair, only the orc is stupid enough to keep using Turtle tank. My tank army is better because we aren't using it. Trust me I know better" - Volodymyr Bonarparte

[@айэрене]

🤪👍👏👏

[@ionmarcu4513]

😂😂😂😂😂ukro.pitecs still lose.

[@vergilroth]

"We are winning!!!"

[@michaeldique]

@@vergilroth I see the clip in my head 😂

[@Grasslander]

Remember when they ridiculed the Donbass militia for making a turtle tank, saying it showed "weakness" and "fear." That's the kind of attitude amateurs have when they say it is "cowardly" to take cover in war, or cowardly to retreat. So that now "tactical retreat" - a feature of all wars in all of history, on both a unit level and a strategic level - has been turned into an insult.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

To be fair, Ukraine has always favoured media wins over material ones, so avoiding the use of 🐢tanks gives them exactly what they want.

[@tudomerda]

Turtle armour is a primitive extension of reactive armour with a large air gap, IF reactive armour was that fvcking great at stopping Drone's there would be no need for turtles, idiots don't understand that large air gaps with a middle barrier saves lives.

[@tomk3732]

Actually no. ERA such as k5 and above reduces 99% of impact of a single charge HEAT which is the main attack warhead. So ERA is very effective, turns HEAT into paint scratch. But it cannot protect areas such as the engine deck or turret top etc. The turtle sheets obfuscate the tank and make it impossible to attack areas that are weak, such as the engine deck or turret ring.

[@anthonyferguson9783]

The thing is they made fun of the Russians and had an entire media fiasco over this adaptation. They would look as stupid as they did before when they adapted cope cages

[@cotizacionesequipo1719]

I believe the failure of the ukranutsis to have more turtle tanks is because they lack the resources in manpower and in steel to actually make them. All their men that know how to weld are more than likely overwhelmed by all the equipment they have to repair and with mineral mines in the hands of the Russians they don't have the resources or the factories to make the steel needed to make turtle tanks. So, I don't think it is a failure to adapt by the ukranutsis but the lack of manpower and steel and factories what's hindering them from fielding more turtle tanks, which is a good thing for the civilized world.

[@nedialkosimonov3893]

Western tanks is already heavy from factory 😂😂😂. Putting more weight is not gonna help them.

[@adrian7430]

Excelent. Than you for the report

[@permaculturaextremadura]

Tak for opdatering

[@mattistehcoolist]

Thanks Weeb!

[@mickg7299]

Turtle tank conversion is cheap and effective, a great example of the KISS principle.

[@Kira559]

Wait until Ukraine starts using turtle tanks too and everyone will suddenly stop calling it stupid

[@fakhrifr7833]

The problem is turtle tank is used when opponent lack of artilary shell.

[@SirMarshalHaig]

Nobody ever said it was stupid, Ukraine has always used them!

[@zorkgreywind509]

@@fakhrifr7833 And to add on top of that. "And specificaly against the one advantage it has - drones".

[@daves6380]

This would be literally comical, if it wasn't the truth...

[@So_uroblox]

Th turtle tank is reinforced

[@bernfrank3966]

Thank you 👍🏻

[@ileathan]

Thank you.

[@temmy9]

turtle tank = distraction carnifex

[@KulturKampf777]

Excellent analysis

[@danielhurst8863]

In defense of the Ukrainians and their lack of more advanced turtle tanks, the Russians have a much superior electronic countermeasure program, and this is vital to the Russian use of the turtle tank. Without the ability to jam the drones, the turtle tank doesn't really work. Simply putting cope cages around a tank doesn't make it a turtle tank. That electronic jamming is crucial, and neither the Ukrainians and NATO have not figured out an effective jamming technique.

[@cotizacionesequipo1719]

Western Ukainians (i.e. NATO) have been very effective in counteracting Russian drones and taking control of them in some places of the ukrainian battlefield, which is why Russia has had to resort to more and more air and land drones operated by fiber optic cable.

[@EnochianServant]

LONG LIVE THE RUSS who supported us in 1776!

[@hectorzero8545]

​@@cotizacionesequipo1719 if that was true, there wouldn't literally be thousands of hours of footage of wireless Russian drones wiping out western equipment. Also the Ukrainians would have their own turtle tank.

[@paulcornwall7258]

@@cotizacionesequipo1719 dream on

[@GHatzis-g8t]

A lot more than cope cages. They build like a prefab house on top of the thing it seems. I’ve seen one with steel rods sticking out all around it. Wild ideas

[@Grasslander]

"No Turtle No Tank." "No Woman, No Cry." Weeb Union showing off!

[@arovka2]

Turtle tank is meant for attacking not for withdrawal.

[@arostwocents]

Would it matter? Honest question.

[@arovka2]

​@@arostwocentssince the Ukrainian tactic is mainly "hit and withdraw". Such a tank is not needed too much. I think so.

[@Srbazo]

Can anyone explain what happened to the latest game changer f16

[@darthoblivion2615]

Ukraine is using them for air defence and that's it. Nothing more.

[@victorlombardi1149]

NATO was so nice that they gave them a version even more advanced of the F-22; their stealth capabilities make them completely invisible to radar and even to the human eye. (Even to the alien eye).

[@vanjamenadzer]

They performed few morale boosting flights above Kiev and Odessa, fired some missiles during Kursk "offensive" and were docked due to inability to operate against proper AA systems.

[@Hystericall]

tank design needs fundamental change. The heavy front light top is no longer viable. There are hardly any tank on tank battles, but plenty of drone on tank battles.

[@miscaccount9438]

A Forbes article talking shit about Russia? I don't believe it 😂

[@garettdoornwaard4822]

Stupid+Works=Not Stupid

[@SuperLuky64]

The absurd thing is not realizing that in light of the enormous Russian advances, counting, not opposition from Ukrainian forces, but highly mined fields. It is the numerous mines supplied by the USA that are slightly slowing down the Russians, the Ukrainians have been unable to respond to any attack for weeks, they no longer have any attack capacity, only sporadic defenses whit drones, this defences turn collapse like houses of cards, given that at the front there are cadets without the right experience

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

I bet they are saving up for another stupid pr offensive by the end of the year. Explains why they oppose Christmas truce so much

[@arostwocents]

It's clear they are defending. The advance never moves beyond much in the way of fortifications

[@HarryF-tz5fo]

they probably want to pin the loss on trump. if they can set off a world war they would.

[@aneurindavies5943]

"The old idea that a war of Attrition is not a war of Manoeuvre has been proven wrong"

[@deansawich6250]

Thanks.😊

[@smalcolmbrown]

Thanks :)

[@daviddunning8357]

Can’t Adapt or repair when your power is gone and just getting water and heat take up all your energy.

[@mladenmatosevic4591]

Turtle tank is rough functional prototype of next decade tank. It will need to have some defenses against drones and against general attacks from above and to catterpilars. Old approach where most of attacks were coming from gun of other tank is obsolete.

[@arostwocents]

AI rotating guns will protect tanks against drones. Check out the Australian auto anti drone gun

[@lorenciandrej]

Maybe Ukraine doesn't have permission to change iconic and patented design of western tanks like Abrams, Leopard or Challenger.

[@nedialkosimonov3893]

Its already to heavy from the factory to put in more weight 😂😂😂

[@SuperLuky64]

Perhaps out of do-goodism, it is thought that this is a Ukrainian retreat from the pockets created by the Russians. But the reality is that those pockets are created to close the troops, proposing surrender or inevitable defeat. It would be stupid to let the troops evacuate to deploy again in front of the Russians, the Russian prerogative is to demilitarize to induce surrender, not allow the enemies to continue fighting, pushing them and facing them again, with relative losses.

[@aribitonyemohammedokiri4128]

Apt

[@flame9826]

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[@jerrybriardy]

Thanks for the reference to the Forbes article from June about the turtle tanks. It is amusing to read that cheap propaganda months later when turtle tanks have proven their worth.

[@MantisGod8815]

1. Turtle mods add weight to a already heavy tank. 2. Having a limited amount, they need them for their anti-armor role. The turret mobility is affected by the mods which decreases itts duel capabilities and field of view. The russian doctrine seems to be using the turtles as suppression against fixed positions so that infantry can be safetly dropped off. The turret mobility isnt as important when assaulting buildings and trenches. The Ukrainians are working with what they have but this anti-drone armor gap will kneecap them whenever they want to go on yhe offensive.

[@ekkorito9387]

If it works it not stupid.

[@paja2788]

How many bradlies and abrams have been destroyed total?

[@dependablepaul]

Not sure on the Bradleys but last I heard, of the 31 Abrams, only 11 or 12 are operational. Half were destroyed and the others are broken down due to lack of maintenance and parts problems.

[@DrChe2025]

Thx

[@ruzmirkabiljagic3115]

One of the main reasons why the UAF (Ukrainian Armed Forces) is not using western tanks as a basis for their armored Tortoise tanks is their weight and tracks, which are not designed for the terrain in Ukraine. In other words, western tanks are generally too heavy; on average, each western tank is 10 tons heavier than Russian tanks. They have narrower tracks and are much more prone to sinking in soft ground. Furthermore, add another 5-6 tons for the additional armor.

[@adamesd3699]

Is it better for Russia to try to win the war slowly, or quickly? Winning slowly lowers their daily casualties. But it means losing a lot of people over years, because it gives Ukraine time to continually recruit new troops and get new weapons. And it gives Ukraine and NATO time to come up with a surprise. Pushing for a faster victory means much higher daily losses, but over a shorter period. It seems that Russia started the war aiming for a quick victory, and when that didn’t work, changed to a slow grinding strategy. It feels like Russia has the ability to launch a “big arrow” war-winning offensive, but something is keeping them from doing it. Maybe fear of heavy casualties? Maybe political considerations? Don’t know, but it’s odd that they don’t just finish this.

[@ShermanistDruid]

Every day it goes on it's an expense that could have been spent elsewhere and both nation got plenty of reasons to spend money elsewhere. Seems atm that there's no stop to russia and Ukraine ought to at some point value their people more than the land (true for russia as well tbh). But we're dealing with two dictators one a puppet of foreign powers, neither will stop as long as there's people they can send to the front.

[@Fafuncho]

Russia can not do the "big arrow" win because the window to do those kind of operations has already closed, for anyone to do that, one needs to pick the enemy by surprise like on the start of the conflict, that's also what the ucranians also did in their first counter-offensive. However Russia has and/or believes on it's economic might to be able to keep the war going slowly. Moreover, it is on Russias favor due to simply more population size, to reduce the ucranian manpower rather then on a quick takeover, after all, the dead, the unfit and the morally destroyed doesn't revolts, this is pure positivism, as such, NATO's new weapons are, mostly, not relevant to Russia, at most, they want it so they can capture and analyze it.

[@sueyourself5413]

@@ShermanistDruid I think that you'll find that Putin was democratically elected.

[@J..P..]

"Big arrow offensives" don't work in modern warfare. Offensive capabilities are simply too devastating. It also creates self-imposed cauldrons which threatens to cut you off and isolate you from the rest of the army. Russia has chosen the approach of applying consistent pressure across the entire front and then when a crack forms in the defense, exploit it at the local level. So it becomes a gradual but devastating advance of small scale encirclement and storming operations, after weeks or months of artillery bombardments. It's slower, but saves lives and the gains are irreversible. It must also be said that Russia is waging this war from the perspective of it being a precursor to direct NATO involvement. Exhausting its military capabilities prematurely, to defeat the political non-entity of Ukraine does nothing for the national security of the Russian Federation, when the true threat is US/NATO. In some aspects, this entire conflict has been Russia building up its military, in preparation for the real war. Currently, their military industrial complex is humming and they've got over 600k battle hardened veterans. In short, they are the single greatest fighting force on the planet.

[@0utcastAussie]

The longer it takes the stronger BRICS economies become which removes finance from the American economy through de-dollarisation (money for nothing).

[@CaptainGrimes1]

Russ see ah! Russ see ah!

[@boriscerkasins3266]

And how much this turtle tank would weight? Here’s a comparison of the M1 Abrams and T-80 main battle tank weights: M1 Abrams (American): • M1A1: ~57 tons • M1A2 SEP V3: ~73.6 tons • Average Weight Range: 57-74 tons • Reason for Weight: • Heavy Chobham composite armor. • Advanced electronics, targeting systems, and additional protection in later models. T-80 (Russian): • T-80B: ~42.5 tons • T-80BV: ~43.7 tons • T-80U: ~46 tons • Average Weight Range: 42.5-46 tons • Reason for Weight: • Lighter composite armor. • Focus on mobility and speed over heavy protection. Comparison: • The M1 Abrams is significantly heavier than the T-80, with a difference ranging from 15 to 30 tons depending on the models being compared. • The Abrams’ heavier weight reflects its design philosophy of maximizing protection and survivability, making it highly resistant to modern anti-tank weapons. • The T-80’s lighter weight emphasizes mobility and speed, better suited for rapid maneuvers and deployment in diverse terrains. Summary: • Abrams: 57-74 tons, prioritizes protection. • T-80: 42.5-46 tons, prioritizes speed and maneuverability.

[@kreativwiebetonblock1327]

I don't think you made the right conclusions. There are many differences in the designs. For example nato-tanks are usually designed for a quite large crew, which is bad for pretty much everything.

[@dragooons176]

Here is a answer to your question mixed with the specs. So Russian turtle tank modification adds roughly 10-15 tons in weight. To achieve the same spacing and effectiveness we are looking at a 15-25 ton increase. 15-25 tons on the already screaming from overweight hull of an Abrams is a scary thought to any mechanic crew... Not seen since the King Tiger ran around Europe.

[@dragooons176]

@@kreativwiebetonblock1327 Larger crews enable better division of labor, it means a tank can operate better and in western doctrine of them being cavalry this is ideal. In the fields and forests of Ukraine where it is artillery and drones as king and strategy and tactics barely exists, it becomes a slightly bigger tank roughly as good as any other.

[@kreativwiebetonblock1327]

Oh, I have meant quite large men. That alone isn't a big problem, but several weird design choices can make something inefficient.

[@dragooons176]

@@kreativwiebetonblock1327 Oh definitely, the MBT even as a concept can be a weird choice as well as we all keep dancing between it and the Light/Heavy/infantry/siege tank even now. The efficiency of one set or another is just getting to be like a gamble.

[@stopspammingmesrsly]

"looks stupid, rather die" "agreed"

[@DajeilGelian]

BREAKING: Gerasimov (18th Dec 24) : 'The staff matrix of the Russian armed forces increased to 1.5 million servicemen.'

[@Zamerika-xr8nt]

"AFU have already lost over 1 million troops" - same source

[@invalidi123]

So early the audio lagged

[@lorenciandrej]

Wait, till 007 drinks his 15k Martini in a row, and then come to help Zelensky.

[@beezihester9807]

I miss wen u uploaded at 2am central time 😂

[@hishot1078]

Admiral Yi was right about turtles.

[@Lennart-wc1vr]

Crimea - Ukraine is historically old Russian Ancetral land

[@dddDdd-vx6iq]

i believe we will see the entirely new super heavy tank platforms in the near future, basically maximizing defensive compatibilities with limited firepower

[@MichaelJohnson-oi2rb]

what seems to be lost is the size of ukraine and what would be the size of an external force necessary to bring it under control or submission militarily - and at what cost? secondly once brought under control - the cost of occupation not to mention the rebuilding costs?

[@АлексейГолубцов-с6э]

Нам не привыкать. Отстроим. Освобождение, а не оккупация. Крым.

[@TheRelativy]

Why people call it turtle tank? It is medieval battle ram

[@alterego157]

It's not medieval but yeah, battle ram is the task it performs. And it does it well.

[@TheRelativy]

@@alterego157 It looks like it, and do the same job. So yeah. It is battle ram

[@ROBOTRIX_eu]

[@goodwill3649]

We've been hearing from analyst's for 2 years now and they're obviously wrong the Ukrainian army was supposed to be falling apart 2 years ago yet they are still able to exact a price and kill Russians how did this happen

[@fortress.13]

NATO

[@goodwill3649]

@fortress.13 they're only using the NATO weapons not NATO divisions

[@paolomartinelli345]

Where is the turtle chad gigglin for the turtle tank?

[@dragonmartijn]

This turtle tank, is going back to the Stug.

[@sutrisnachen]

death before dishonor.... no copying Russia's turtle tank

[@Baraka-yl2dp]

I think the word you, WeebUnion, wanted to use was "adopt" not "adapt".

[@Zamerika-xr8nt]

Isn't "lack of adaptation sounds more like "stupid"' ?

[@VikOlliver]

I find it ridiculous that Western opinion is that Russian tankers are too stupid to know that a turtle tank's air gap won't stop a shaped charge and concentrate on that. It's pretty obvious that they are not intended for it.

[@pascalscholten4001]

I think i know the reason Why the Turtle tank is not yet adapted by the West .The Tanks of the west are already top heavy for fighting. To do more weight on the tank. the tank will less manouvreble in the field of Ukraine where mud and soft grounds is common in that regio in the most of the year. The russians have enough artillery and rule the sky to quick overcome the turtle attack.. It would be waisted of the scars numbers of tanks to turn them over. Ukraine need speed in there hit and run tactics The turtle is clearly not a sollution in the tactics and position where their are in. In WW2 the germans did the mistake with the tiger and StuG's. Stug's where thrown in attacking fighting and tigers in urban fighting and attacking long distance. while it was disigned for breaching defenselines. like in Kusk. StuG's was build to support the infanty with clearing bunkers and to defend the flanks of a attack. not for a sperhead attack and urban fighting.Young officers did this om the eastern front. Federowicz books (see book Drama between Budapest and Vienna). Also Panzerkrieg from the same publisher.

[@priyath86]

Bro you missed the Ukrainian power balance article

[@sirseegull]

dang can ukraine really not afford a javelin or something? a turtle tank is not a significant technological advancement it’s a very old idea. russia just sending out massive amounts of steel like steam punk and ukraine has no ammo?

[@ryanwielewski5192]

1.5x speed, much better listening to updates.

[@EnochianServant]

Ur comment kept to urself...much better of an update

[@ryanwielewski5192]

@EnochianServant You okay mate?

[@kingdragong-rh6dl]

Well they are not totally wrong!!! Ukraine attack doctrine has so far been fast lightning deep strikes which will be impossible with a heavy turtle tank!!! Besides against an enemy with at least 8 to 1 fire superiority having a slow moving big tank would be a death sentence!!! Turtle tanks are good against drones but not strong enough against heavy types of artillery that russia uses!!

[@nedialkosimonov3893]

You dont have any military background, right ? Let me explain to you . Artillery have some point for not moving target, not for tanks 😉. Artillery is useful for static target like trenches, houses....etc.

[@kingdragong-rh6dl]

@@nedialkosimonov3893 i do but you clearly dont!!! there is something called shrapnel!!! unlike what you might have heard online most IFVs and even some parts of tanks arent not totally immune to artillery shrapnel!! so you dont have to hit a moving target with artillery (which some artillery rounds like Excalibur or other laser or gps guided rounds may be even able to hit) you just have to hit close enough to its weak points!!!

[@oasis1282]

Win Time

[@HotelEuropaBasak]

Viva la libertad carajo!

[@Tool-pc5kn]

1974 no woman no cry 2024 no turtle no tank

[@J..P..]

2028: No NATO No war

[@nnenguengoti9611]

Hey heyyyyy firstttttttttt!

[@johnpaul-b9h]

turtle tank

[@mfinland2767]

Turtle tanks don't actually protects the tank more, it give the crew more survivability. Western tanks prove to protect the crew more than Eastern tanks, allowing the crew to escape. However the Ukrainians forgot that these tanks have to be recovered.

[@thebigsam]

They protect jamming equipment in the cases of latest uses

[@David-nz6ox]

It takes 1 drone with an RPG 7 to take out abrams,the US took all reactive armour off them ,the russian tanks with all the armour plates have way hihher survivability ,,western tanks are no better than so called eastern tanks you mention ,,,cope

[@mfinland2767]

​​@@thebigsam how? Jamming equipment has to be on the top of the tank (on the top of the turtle tank shell actually). Even so, it still proves that both jammer and that metal box actually just give more survivability for the crew from something like ammunition cook off.

[@WeebUnionWU]

It does, it creates a buffer between the actual armor of the tanks and the point of contact from enemy fire. Drones don't have a lot of penetration but its enough to pass through the top down defenses of tanks. With this extra layer it allows the tanks to survive a couple extra shots from drones.

[@thebigsam]

@@mfinland2767 I believe they hide it inside. Or parts of it at least. Antenna might have to be on the shell itself, but the power source is definitely inside. I guess you can call it that if you want. I just point out that it has specific uses, crew survivability is only part of it

[@velikanskaglava2087]

Ukrainans get a lot of tanks from the west "for free", why try to adapt them?

[@johnvl6358]

😎

[@Tonitrus123]

Orgulho é uma maldição

[@erikpfingstner3902]

I think it is not correct to say that the Ukranian Forces display little adaptibility. They have been leading several inovations including drones with glas fibre steering. This is a nice way to counter the jamming capabilities of Russia.

[@WeebUnionWU]

I didn't say they display little adaptability but they lack the necessary amount when they clearly fail to adapt to such a significant change.

[@erikpfingstner3902]

@@WeebUnionWU Hello Weeb and thanks for your answer. I see your vids almost every day and appreciate your work. Mostly I agree, sometimes I don't. It is true that they have not taken over the idea of turtle tanks. Overall, the longer the war lasts and the more Ukraine is being overwhelmed, the more difficult it gets for them to adapt and react to russian pressure. I know you are doing quite good at being objective and I appreciate this trait very much.

[@abhishekdk5040]

What about the people in the captured land ? Will they abandon or stay ?

[@ЯБезымянный-о5ф]

Judging by how somebody is trying to sell 2 room apartment in Pokrovsk for 2000$ , I bet most are not staying.

[@АлексейГолубцов-с6э]

Вы в курсе, какие цены в Крыму или Мариуполе? 1500 в за м. Кв. В долларах в хрущёвке. Вывод?

[@SuperLuky64]

I think if the Ukrainians had a camouflaged Leopard with tortoiseshell protection they certainly wouldn't be able to protect them from the deadly Kinjall.☠☠☠☠☠

[@inquisitortaki6476]

1st

[@victorpetchenev4119]

Эффективность танка черепаха сильно преувеличена.

[@hajduksplit97]

Lie after lie. The Russians lost atleast 50000 people trying to capture those encircled Ukranian positions. Now their losses are close to 7M while Ukranians tragicaly got few wounded people in total.

[@james1947ful]

You obviously have not been following this war. Ukraine are running out of manpower.

[@mr.creamy7778]

Are you insane?

[@hajduksplit97]

@mr.creamy7778 i was trying to be sarcastic ....

[@komisossoutsidi5801]

​@@hajduksplit97unfortunately jokes like that don't work because there are people out there that actually believe stuff like this

[@Danielboondevis]

log in again, Davydov, it's you, you can't fool me😂

[@trattkantarell]

P

[@PantalonesGrandes-px1io]

RUssian turtletanks are turkey shoot material.

[@tnix80]

Blind and stupid, sounds like projection

[@muhammadluqman3452]

Imagine turning abrams into a turtle tank , it will exceed 80 tons and will get easily stuck

[@Jamshid_Uz]

Hello l have a suggestion for youtube channel owner how l linked you please give a details actually number or telegram username please

[@davidkehn6960]

Thanks Weeb!