ULTIMATE 4k Improvement Guide For Etterna

[@monikasalt]

Instructions unclear: i can't get a comfortable spot on my right hand now i need a new monitor.

[@theangrynerd101]

@Keikiras No, keep them going >:)

[@eater9494]

I hate your profile

[@garbage69]

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[@atlas-ks7kl]

you have the most true channel description ive ever seen. thank you

[@krushed__DX]

LMAO I LOVE THIS DUDES PROFILE

[@Patashu]

Beginner tutorial would be super useful! Thanks for these!

[@Patashu]

@@celine357 I got a friend into Stepmania so I've been making easy charts for him lately, it's fun actually

[@batorygimnazjum2683]

@@Patashu Publish them one day, pretty please.

[@Patashu]

@@batorygimnazjum2683 I will if I make enough charts that it feels like a proper pack. ATM I've been focusing my creative efforts elsewhere and it would be a bit lackluster if I released as is.

[@windoze7499]

wtf i watched this guide and i still cant quad gradeus, flagged

[@Gradeus]

I give you my blessing, go forth and conquer

[@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ]

@@Gradeus lmao

[@Asr.-]

@Jaden Emmanuel Off topic, and probably a scam

[@Asr.-]

@Ivory Shed Alt account

[@zonfire3011]

Which Gradeus Chart?

[@Fauzan1812]

For the wrist down technique, you can increase the height of your wrist (without increasing keyboard height) by putting something below them, may it be armrest or just some towels. The idea is that your wrist and hand will become flatter, reducing strain

[@pelziig]

Most keyboards include wrist rest with them

[@qej376]

this just sounds like wrist up with extra steps

[@Fauzan1812]

@@qej376 wrist up feels kinda unstable for me, while having your resting level lower than the keyboard itself strains the muscle a bit more

[@halcyon2]

I use this and i pretty much got VERY comfortable with it

[@lucyblood7562]

I do this when my hand starts to get really tired. Helps a bit

[@akivirus7020]

This is i've been searching for, you noticed that after while of playing casually, you start to get decent and feel like you are getting into something, however when you watch other players you feel like something is missing, and is directly all these actual technical knowledge that divides a casual from an actual good player, this is what breaks the barrier and starts to develop your skill to an amateur in a way to pro, never seen a guide this good and this crucial, great job

[@shadowzyx3505]

Also, did you need to train your non-dominant hand a lot ? As a right handed I feel like my left hand is weak af it kinda pisses me off :(

[@EtienneYT]

My right hand is way slower than my left for trilling buy my right hand does jacks better than my left. I feel you on that one :(. Adapting to it is troublesome but don't hesitate to find files with some hand biases to improve it! Personally, I just accepted it and it just slowly improved as I play, but it's just a curse I feel with haha

[@blackkid7033]

wank with right hand one day wank with left the other

[@Cobalt985]

@@MagikMako what the fuck are you serious? i don't know whether I should try this or not

[@theangrynerd101]

@@blackkid7033 it doesn't feel good with my left though :(

[@moneqtemnome6678]

@@EtienneYT i have the same problem

[@snoverpk9019]

how to improve step 1 eat protein

[@lennykappa3535]

step 2 get gamer chair

[@ethanreed2672]

step 3 5$ keyboard

[@yeetuseatspancakes]

Step 4 epic gamer glasses

[@fryderykfranciszekchopin5716]

step 5 240hz monitor or 30hz XD

[@pico0o0o_]

Step 6 play 24/7

[@shadowzyx3505]

Though, I have to say, THANKS for saying "have fun". It might sound dumb but it's important to have fun while playing !

[@salad2357]

pls enjoy game

[@KalyuGD727]

@@salad2357 Yes, i almost forgot that it isn't just about the competitiveness and it's also important to have fun while playing. Idk why but i can't improve now, (i'm stuck at 4,6 stars, and even now i think i'm even worse XD) but yep, with 103 hours of playtime it's normal (i think :^) , so i'll just play and skill will just appear with the time Ö

[@vashumashu4359]

As an old player, this is groundbreaking. I never had anyone to share this passion with, I could never talk strategy or technique. This is invaluable, and teaches me a ton of lingo. I did everything wrong. Wrist down, using arrow keys, all crunched together. I never knew what chordjacks were called, I just knew I really sucked at reading them. Maybe now I could be a semi decent "well rounded" player. I was fairly decent but I had major holes in technique. Can't wait to tackle it again.

[@trentcard]

its good to watch this tutorial every once in a while as a somewhat new player, been playing various 4k rgs for about 1.5 years total now and this is probably the second or third time ive watch this video. clears some stuff up, reminds me of the basics, and always remember, :playmore:

[@diamondparagon2316]

Thanks! This helps a lot. Even though I've been playing for a solid 8 months, this was still useful for me to improve.

[@frawog]

3 years later and ur cracked as hell

[@AkaObbies]

I never thought of changing hand positions wrist up plays so much better for me!

[@w0rldw1dew3b]

watched this video when it was new but had to come back after i somewhat broke the terrible habits i gained from playing 4k casually over the years. now it actually all makes some proper sense, and i can use this info properly now.

[@jacersaygo7341]

i never knew hand position was really that crucial, I always played these games with my left hand wrist down and my right hand wrist up

[@grassgrow030]

youre a legend for making vsrg related content. Its my true love and i want to eat up all the vsrg content which there is never enough of!

[@dantedeloden]

i finally decided to install etterna after about 5 years of not playing, man the nostalgia. lol

[@Youifer]

My CJs are EXTREMELY low compared to all my other skillsets. Cheers for the video hope to reach 20 average on all skillsets by the end of the year:)

[@kiaragonzales2188]

4:16 he drank 4 coca-cola bottles wtf

[@richardbirdton954]

only 4 he is weak

[@DeltaSignIsNotAvailable]

@@richardbirdton954 he's weak indeed

[@sms-ux5kl]

They the tiny ones tho

[@GlobalPanda7678]

used to improve in FNF quickly before but i will give these a shot.

[@infomyst]

7:24 how do you "look for the holes" in a file? is there like a way to just play a specific part of a chart in etterna?

[@theonlybass8947]

I think he was describing the practice of looking at which key is not pressed in a 3 note chord rather than trying to read all the arrows at the same time.

[@DavidTheBurrito]

Jake made it in the vid Pog

[@anniearbores5814]

Finally, i can quadruple A files now, thank you

[@shadowzyx3505]

I used to be in etterna's top 40 and I don't even know if I used one of those skills

[@user-gi8xg2ki7q]

thanks etienne im jhlee epic gamer now

[@MitcherSM]

Thank you Etienne, very cool!

[@bigjohn2750]

The guy in the fist gameplay is like: "is this the tutorial?"

[@TheZiemniax]

instructions unclear, skill stuck in d5

[@CacoPholey]

Thanks for telling me destroy my wrists faster, learned new stuff

[@pipsounds]

Hey etienne, great video! It's helped me a lot to build better techniques than what came naturally since I started playing. I just have one question; at 6:20 you mention pattern manipulation, and I didn't quite get what that was, can you explain it a bit more for me?

[@haneefmuhammad3079]

Pattern manipulation is basically just mashing/spamming

[@sizzle.d]

using a different pattern to hit the notes

[@ii9368]

I’m a standard osu player trying to get into mania

[@altacc7636]

I'm a wrist up user on mobile, but wrist down on PC. I think this may have to do with how I have different hit areas on each platform. On an ipad, the hit area is surprisingly large, where on PC, you have to hit a specific key, where keys are like 1.5cm x 1.5cm

[@sleeves2604]

I've found that I improve best at rhythm games by varying difficulties and practice types. I try to play low level accuracy maps, things at my level, and harder maps at once. I also switch between replaying a map a few times and switching maps every play. I guess just a ton of variation is what I'm getting at :]

[@gabejuhasz3743]

But Technical charts are the most fun. I love learning to read the hard combos.

[@KR_Kosmik]

i just play the game for fun and improve over time

[@shortscouture1]

its funny how i just rely on my raw handspeed to play anything in etterna, will definitely do this thanks

[@sldidiwkx]

Working on switching to wrist up at the moment, and while it's still very tiring for me and often trips me up, but I am noticing that I get these moments of much better control and accuracy. I'm still a pretty new player of just a month or so (Working on charts that are difficulty 8-11) and jumps have been extremely hard to learn, but I've noticed they are so much easier with wrist up (probably just a mental thing but if it helps ill take it)

[@ItsVegaSama]

Same here, been playing wrist up for 5 months definitely love this a lot more than wrist down. Just feels better to play

[@bakuretsue]

3:37 doesn't this apply to speed as well

[@hallrules]

Song Name: Knock Knock (Instrumental)

[@xany407]

I'm kind of mad you didn't mention mines at all

[@senya6095]

DourGent dont hit them :p

[@Kettvnen]

I made mines invisible on my skin

[@xany407]

Disgusting

[@Kettvnen]

@@xany407 they kinda mess my sightreading and accuracy if they're placed in the middle of or near dense notes

[@xany407]

@@Kettvnen Then learn to read them.

[@sprtndlx]

to make wrist up probably more comfortable, try having the keyboard in a lower position so that your elbows are about a 90 degree and you don't have to bow out your shoulders a bit. in my case, my desk is too high and my chair doesn't go up that much so I'd have to use more muscles to maintain the position. not ideal. one thing you can also do to practice, is trying to type correctly with a wrist up position. it's technically the better way to type though harder to get used to.

[@Wizzmane]

I usually transition to wrist down when I do streams and switch to wrist up when doing jumps and hands

[@yeaaass8631]

Thank u man this motivate me a lot

[@davidguy207]

2:54 How do I find my own ratio to see if it's good or not?

[@kevin933]

Love your vids, dude.

[@NasonVSRG]

Interesting enough I’ve learned to use wrist up and wide finger stance for warming up and accuracy training, then switch to wrist down to zero in on speed files

[@heylol4090]

this video just made me realize im a wrist up player

[@ges735]

can someone tell me what the icon which pops up on the right hand side means at 8:17

[@hallrules]

2 months late but its called a toasty and it pops up when you get 250 marvelous and/or perfect in a row, it comes from mortal kombat

[@ges735]

@@hallrules yoo thanks, I still hadn't figured it out hahah

[@reerik3928]

i tried etterna before and felt that being accurate was much harder, so i stopped and went back to osu mania, but now i am going to try playing etterna again because im tired of goofy mania pp system

[@K-l-D]

but when i take breaks, or even a small one, i get really bad at the game.

[@void_bucket]

Thank you so much, my jacks just sucked before

[@Lion1063]

Nice vid man

[@FoolishGamming]

LESS GO The next goal is join on "NEGATIVE RATIO GANG"

[@etipeti555]

Thank you, improved me

[@godguy2311]

Been trying to learn JS for a month or two now, and funnily enough I'm finding the hardest thing is learning the patterns. I still find myself hitting good/bad on the same patterns over and over again, despite downrating to 0.5x.... any ideas?

[@taggerung_]

If youre struggling to learn the patterns youre either playing the same files over and over again and developing mindblock or youre playing stuff way out of your comfort zone. If youre downrating to 0.5x and still cant 96 a file you need to find an easier file and downrate that instead

[@sirezxch]

The gameplay at the start was the quiet kid not trying

[@SpartanLaserCanon]

I like many genres and I have found many easy and medium songs of many genres for this. I actually like playing with a keyboard and you could even get good lag removal for non game controllers even. I recommend that you try using your keyboard more on you lap in you can, I did it and my arm felt more relaxed overall which makes sense. There is many funny songs even to be downloaded even. There is many genres now for download. I actually like Guitar hero, but this is pretty addictive for me still and you could play it with computer keys or dancing, but I prefer computer keys. I am so glad this game doesn't use flash since that flash flash hero went down. I also like how you can change many settings plus that this has been around for so long which is why it has so many songs. Heck, there is even competitions for this game where people used computer keys. I don't mind that FCs are super hard to get in this game too since I am not competitive.

[@sweetcisteen]

hey man, i can say i'm a sort of pro at osumania, i can do a few 5 star maps like goodtek with a coupele misses but i was just wondering, is it right to look at where the notes are coming from? or are you supposed to look at where you're supposed to hit the notes? i always look up, like all the way up but i'm not sure if i'm supposed to look a bit more down

[@ProtoFreeze]

look where it feels like the most comfortable. If you're playing fine, it's probably unnecessary to try changing it.

[@sweetcisteen]

@@ProtoFreeze i look usually at the top and middle but my accuracy is turning really bad nowadays idk hoe to fix it

[@ProtoFreeze]

@@sweetcisteen i usually look a little higher than the note receptors, on downscroll

[@crayzeegamer7695]

I don't think I can go back to the wrist down hand position after watching this video. It makes jacks soooo much easier!

[@magk2524]

i use wrist down and then with jacks i raise my wrists. too bad im still shit at them

[@KhoaTran0720]

Very helpful, thanks :D

[@EtienneYT]

No problem!

[@CryogenicFrost]

Woah the madlad did it

[@thefunxion7693]

the potato salad beat tho great vid

[@eoc811]

i switched to hovering my hands jesus christ i've improved

[@actuallyasriel]

Wow, this helped me find a lot of my stumbling points, actually. Hopefully I can start making some progress again now that I know where the flaws are in my mindset.

[@Rispy]

Real question: how to unlockt the 4th eye and 2nd brain to focus on 4 inputs at once because it's impossible focus on all 4 ._. Lol

[@taggerung_]

Play more

[@alexxalterosu3334]

I feel like i was secretly just told to play the game >,>

[@gabkuskume8597]

Did you expect to get better without playing? lmao

[@bobasking]

What is the name of keyboard at 2:13?

[@infinitstart]

for some reason, i think this could be applied to other rhythm games.

[@taggerung_]

If you mean other vsrg's then yeah obviously. If youre talking about completely different rhythm games like osu then yeah there are bits and pieces you can take from this

[@unoriginalcopy9844]

osu mania 4k is basically the same thing tbh

[@infinitstart]

@@unoriginalcopy9844 sure. thanks for stating the obvious. lmao.

[@unoriginalcopy9844]

@@infinitstart yeah np :)

[@jarvis6253]

I’ve played mania knockoffs for 4 years and i have no idea how to play

[@facu4652]

1:20 How can I make the arrows go down?

[@NotHappernot]

facu46 when you go to select a song in Etterna, there’s a “Player Options” button on the side, which is also accessible by pressing enter on your keyboard while a song is loading. From here, move down to “Scroll” and select “Reverse.” This changes it so the notes go from the top down rather than the bottom up, which I prefer, because I started rhythm games with things like osu!mania, guitar hero, such like that.

[@Berryyyyyjam]

I'm trying to get better accuracy but the fnf hit window is ingraved on my brain and I keep hitting thinking the hit window is the same as fnf :(

[@critters-ly9tk]

What does a slight grip of the game mean? What makes someone not a beginner?

[@Bullerephon]

Being able to actually play without getting lost I would think. True beginners would have to constantly look at the keyboard, and have no muscle memory for the game, making it that much more difficult to play. Someone with a grip on the game has the basic muscle memory down for at least some patterns, and I would say can play up to step 6 songs without much difficulty.

[@ihaveinfiniteaccounts6876]

Well for some patterns I use wrist up and some I use wrist down. I'm not sure why I play like this it just happened.

[@magk2524]

same

[@infernalshogun2064]

Sounds smart since from what i'm learning from this video, there's pros and cons to each position. By knowing when to switch position for the right patterns, it's all the more easier.

[@yucuristtypebeat7985]

Hey, is a, s, w and spacebar good keybinds becasue it's hard for me to do thrills.

[@SubzeroBeats-o3g]

when i play funky friday i time the notes but for some reason i still get some goods and i cant fix that but im trying to get better idk how to use osu so im gonna try etterna

[@DylanVee]

I play with my left hand wrist up while my right hand is wrist down. Could this be problematic for improvement? or should I just keep doing what feels comfortable to me?

[@cringeconnoisseur6037]

My technical skillset is the only one with over 20 points

[@dummy3641]

should i only apply the 96% principle to the calculated accuracy on judge 4 bc im trying to do judge 7 training to improve my accuracy

[@dummy3641]

if you still look at comments

[@Griimlin]

Yes

[@cannibal667]

yes, u should play j7 only on files where u can easily j4 pfc.

[@junshenthepoo2608]

I use both wrist down and wrist up

[@anemiapwns1]

fantastic video

[@Genjink]

3:48 has etienne fucking up reading his script lol

[@Genjink]

Ive watched this video for over a year and just realized that

[@bzijiexia]

This might not be the best place to ask this but is there a guide for the terminology? It’s hard for a beginner like me to follow what words like jump stream, chord jack, etc. mean.

[@taggerung_]

Jump - two notes simultaneously Stream - any stream of notes, like a 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 pattern, or anything more complex. Can be dense or light depending on patterning Hand - three notes simultaneously Chords - 2 to 4 notes at the same time Jacks - notes repeating in the same column, creating to a jackhammer-like motion. Can be longjacks (many notes repeated, more than 4), or minijacks (2-3 notes repeated in a single column) Chordjack - chords that repeat and require jackhammers in multiple columns, usually require you to raise and lower certain fingers to hit alternating chord patterns. Can be dense or light And many more you will discover and come to understand through experience. Some other ones i dont feel like explaining that you can ask in the etterna discord include jumpstream, handstream, quadstream, dumps, one hand trills, jumptrills, runningmen, anchors, and a bunch of long note patterns that youll probably never see in etterna (such as inverses and shields)

[@composedflame3086]

Im a wrist down player an i can say it is very true thats its my trickier to do the jacks

[@UltraXMane.]

The video: 4k etterna improvement guide My eyes: How to become amazing at fnf upscroll

[@Genjink]

Why is scroll direction so important to fnf players?

[@Jigalube]

Hey bud, any advice for players with RSIs? I'm not very good as most recently I got a 90% on Icy's Jersey Spirit but then my hands feel wrecked for a couple days. Any tips?

[@EtienneYT]

The best advice I can give you is to get it checked out by someone who can give you a proper estimate of when your hands will be cleared up of any RSI-like symptoms. I'm not qualified to tell you whether or not you should keep playing through it but I definitely think it's important you make sure your hands are in good shape before you try to play a game like this.

[@hamiltonics]

I doesnt understand the "wrist rotation" part, can you explain me?

[@hamiltonics]

@@acidstomach6001 thanks!

[@polarin1]

is it a good idea to use this guide for osu mania 4k

[@materoid]

i would say yes

[@RazanAr51]

Yep

[@darkflightdreamer1698]

wrist up also is makes my tapping so loud

[@notpoland3756]

Wtf i can switch my wrist placements is that good?

[@CacoPholey]

Yes actually, being able to switch positions is very useful for stamina as you can switch positions to not gas out as easily

[@Zalixor]

Very nice!

[@JJHd169]

I was struggling on wrist up on both hands. My current hands position are left hand wrist up, right hand wrist down. And I stucked at difficulty 16-19. Should I wrist up on both hands?

[@EtienneYT]

I've gotten this question before and my go-to answer is to usually pick a hand position, as both wrist up and wrist down require different muscles to use. Muscle imbalance could be possible as a result but I'm not exactly qualified to confirm the physiological after effects of using one hand for each hand positions. I hope this helps. If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask!

[@JJHd169]

@@EtienneYT wrist up hand required resting on elbow right, when I played on high bpm streams my elbow became tired after long songs.

[@chrisjackson6149]

I'm just trying to get better at Friday Night Funkin', don't mind me...

[@CacoPholey]

Chordy patterns just kinda... aren't a thing in FNF, mainly because the engine does weird things with chords so people just chart minijacks

[@theangrynerd101]

I recommend playing other rhythm games because there is much more variety and you'll improve much faster by playing them, and you'll also learn how to do patterns like jumps and hands (hands=chords) with other games because fnf doesn't have them in their charts (mainly cause the engine is ass lol).

[@quesadeeowl7845]

Me: Just trying to beat the song

[@Riceconsumer33]

Bro some one help i cant find the skill sets i just dont understand and there are no videos about it

[@gdjosef]

the etterna forums have some threads with good training maps for individual practice like streams, hands, jumps, and anything else you need

[@taggerung_]

Jump - two notes simultaneously Stream - any stream of notes, like a 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 pattern, or anything more complex. Can be dense or light depending on patterning Hand - three notes simultaneously Chords - 2 to 4 notes at the same time Jacks - notes repeating in the same column, creating to a jackhammer-like motion. Can be longjacks (many notes repeated, more than 4), or minijacks (2-3 notes repeated in a single column) Chordjack - chords that repeat and require jackhammers in multiple columns, usually require you to raise and lower certain fingers to hit alternating chord patterns. Can be dense or light And many more you will discover and come to understand through experience. Some other ones i dont feel like explaining that you can ask in the etterna discord include jumpstream, handstream, quadstream, dumps, one hand trills, jumptrills, runningmen, anchors, technical patterns, and a bunch of long note patterns that youll probably never see in etterna (such as inverses and shields)

[@regret728]

Muscle cramp intensifies

[@BIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDS]

So what are jacks?

[@polarin1]

multiple notes bunched together in one column

[@3setsofdrums]

Can you improve with a laptop keyboard?

[@taggerung_]

Yes

[@spicles7417]

Yeah even with a dogshit laptop keyboard

[@frankg7786]

This game is so incredibly hard.. But thank you for your guides! I hope I can someday learn how to play some more difficult maps!

[@WitchLuw]

What is your keys u use

[@qArxtic]

What if you play both wrist up and wrist down 😳

[@darkflightdreamer1698]

Can I run Etterna on old pc without delay? I currently playing on potato pc: 4gb ram and i5-2410m intel hd 3000

[@semag2090]

Sorry late but yes

[@darkflightdreamer1698]

@Momento Ronald this the old pc i use, it used to have lagspikes because of background processes hogging cpu and temp problems because it didnt have thermal paste applied, I i got decent pc now, but i dont play Etterna anymore