Wonder5193: A Statement in Rhythm Games

A Korean player from the Mania scene goes face-to-face with his own community; battling a series of backlash, cheater accusations and more. He then goes on to pull off one of the most impressive sessions in 4k history, but also serves as one of the strongest statements in rhythm games too.
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Songs/Instrumentals used:
Axian x J'san - Autumn Leaves
Solange - Don't Touch My Hair
nyamo x saib - night walk
Dorian Electra - Flamboyant
Robert Orchestra - Keep Me Warm
Solange - Cranes in the Sky
Dorian Electra - Man to Man
Dorian Electra - Daddy Like

[@xbomblive8552]

Sad to see that he’s leaving youtube, but at least he had reasons to and addressed it. Definitely an amazing idol to the rhythm game community.

[@nx4704]

And even worse he is inactive on osu mania for over 6 months

[@Redhwatch]

He back :)

[@xyezu2363]

He's back and better

[@Wooshlol]

Yup

[@jackthe316]

he came back

[@GreenDeLeBean]

Etienne player analysis when

[@wikikanselmovedaccount5689]

Funny

[@nx4704]

Constellious great joke

[@incongruous4]

@@constellious etienne onlyfans when

[@sebastianmitchell4776]

Wonder's fingers were so long, they were touching tips with God..

[@diamondparagon2316]

Even if wonder leaves now, hes not gonna be forgotten anytime soon, hes set so many astonishing scores that are gonna stay amazing forever.

[@afalowna4890]

i mean, isn't he only leaving youtube ? not the game

[@Neuronecia]

@@afalowna4890 he's inactive now

[@zee5868]

He is my fav youtuber ;(

[@realitysucks6900]

Retired*

[@krispykreame574]

NOW HES BACK HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE

[@ghdrummer4803]

11:12 “Etienne moment” in the chat

[@dumteaa]

its sillyfangirl haha

[@noahfunnyguy]

best part is Sillyfangirl said that

[@WinterzPlayz]

Pretty new to this. What does that mean

[@kirkprospector4958]

@@WinterzPlayz It's like saying "youtube moment" but its specifying this content creator. 4

[@myucchii]

Wonder is indisputably one of the most important players. I've experienced myself this kind of pression and is definitely not healthy for anyone. He just showed as much a player can push up to get amazing scores and become one of the best players with time, but also, a personal idol for most of the new players in the mania scene, having him as an inspiration. Only thing I would say, adding to Etienne's words on the final part: Be sure of the words you're saying, and keep in mind how stressful it will be for the player you're accusing that you keep doing it. This is a really great video! Nice work! :D

[@RainbowArtzHD]

What is 'pression'

[@myucchii]

@@RainbowArtzHD I meant pressure

[@melodywawichi802]

How or why would the accuser care how the accused feels if the accuser thinks the accused committed the moral sin of “cheating?” *huff...*

[@aussiefo]

Wonder is literally my idol. Ive always and still rewatch his old scores because theyre amazing.

[@Heasive]

Hi aussie

[@anon0453]

Tbh, even though I am not rly a mania player, I've never thought that wonder(saw him on a leaderboard on Galaxy collapse), was hacking, amazing player though.

[@chiffaonosu]

I wasn't actually interested in mania community because I'm a standard player, but this story is quite insane. Guy who survived a lot of hate and accusations, but then popped off and shown everything he was capable of doing. Great video and thank you for your content! Btw, osu!std videos when?

[@バカロン]

he did one on spro/rustbell, no?

[@4rze.]

@@バカロン yeah he did, also some std videos on underrated scores iirc

[@hotgayfurryfeet]

He could do one about WhiteCat

[@EtienneYT]

I have one that's been in the works for a while now, but haven't quite had time to get working on again. I promise you it'll be a big project though!

[@dorukayhanwastaken]

@@EtienneYT Am I correct to feel like it'll be about peppy's quest to bring NA levels of freedom to his three favorite rhythm games using lazer?

[@SuddenDeath]

Thank you so much for making this video. I can see that a lot of effort has gone into it. wonder5193 is a legendary player who will never be forgotten in a mania scene.

[@yumivt]

its weird you never mentioned his sudden proficiency at dance of fire and ice, since its such a niche rhythm game with an incredibly tight hit window. his few scores are insane. his ability to read and interpret other rhythm games cannot be discounted.

[@PennyLapin]

ADOFAI is definitely one of the more interesting games to master. As the first recorded player(?) to Pure Perfect everything back when the game was first officially released on Steam, it has a surprising skill ceiling for how simple its premise can be; the extremity of manipulated shapes in custom levels to make for breakneck speeds means you need not only proficiency in speed and consistency, but to have that across more than four fingers in some insane cases. Funny enough, when the game was just released I didn't even use more than two fingers to play the official levels, taking it very literally that the game can be regarded as a "one-button rhythm game".

[@Neuronecia]

a year late but he might mentioned it if this is Rhythm Anomalies. Since this video was meant only to his legendary live session I think it's better to not include ADOFAI here.

[@4nmao]

One of your best videos, never talked to wonder but he has the same essence that jhlee had back then, he is a god for a lot of players and i liked how he took his accusations very maturely and i hope he come back sometime to the scene because this community needs more people like him.

[@Kibitz]

Wonder taught me how to play the game and always encouraged me to get better to one day meet him in MWC. Sadly doesn’t seem it will happen but the times me and Wonder shared together will never be forgotten by me

[@AnfoFlash]

I remembered when Wonder jumped up into the scene of Mania, he'd jumped up the rankings so fast with such amazing scores. After playing for years myself I was thrilled to see someone break records and set scores no one has set before. Undoubtedly his speed and accuracy was unbelievable and at some point I was laughing out loud when I saw his Galaxy Collapse DT play, I almost couldn't believe it. I'm sad to hear that he will be leaving Mania and I wish him the best. I sometimes can't understand the people that accuse players of cheating, somehow I think we should praise those that do amazing things and in the end its just a game. If someone cheats it's their problem, but thru a competition you can show off your skills with honor and pride (for example E Sports, live on identical computers) I don't think OSU wouldn't need to so far to create such an event (although that would be cool, or at COE) I might just be bribbling about stuff but, want I want to say is: If the community thinks someone is cheating why not ask the OSU staff to ask in behalf of the community, case closed when proof is provided. And stuff ...

[@wakadusa8649]

Wonder: Makes legendary return KZbin: Yea ig it's time to recommend this video to you

[@verlatenn]

why do mans fingers look so long 💀

[@AkaObbies]

2019: Space is cheater 2023: SpaceUK is cheater

[@Zero_Two16]

hang on your (probably) onto something

[@ethanmartin2781]

I had no idea that a subset of the korean mania community was reacting so much differently to Wonder's success. I also like how your videos tell a story. Thanks for the video. Wonder will be missed ;(

[@ChronicalV]

Wonder was one of those few players who completely shattered what I thought was humanly physically possible, in such a short period of time. A short passing through the mania community but one that'll never be forgotten. Was great that you really debunked everything that was happeneing behind the scenes. There are quite a lot of players who post crazy scores with little context and you and him really cleared any doubts.

[@Dezomm]

1:35 you really gotta do my boy neuro like that huh :(

[@EtienneYT]

I know, I felt so bad HAHA

[@BobbyISS]

He's leaving the game, why are all the legends leaving!

[@kenny9290]

Because of jealous retards

[@grassgrow030]

sadly that happens frequently when wrongfully accused every time you play well. Some people are just gifted and have an INSANE skill ceiling barely anybody can reach. Those ETs are just another world. Ive been playing 4k for far too many years and can only play 14's on Etterna... :(

[@vehmix_]

Absolutely fantastic video!

[@tearlach47]

11:12 SillyFangirl osu: "Etienne moment wazzup" in the chat

[@suchtberater]

I have these "god sessions" when i feel that my hand is dead. Like its not numb it just hurts. But i can stream faster and longer when i have that and it wont hurt more.

[@Megaforcer]

Sounds to me like you are just pushing yourself more to the point of hurting yourself. When you feel pain that's your body telling you to slow down. If you don't listen to the signals your body is telling you then sure you can improve your scores and stamina for some time, but in the long run you are going to end up with a fucked up wrist or fingers.

[@Reedlbrace]

Don't do that, you are damaging your body

[@suchtberater]

I dont play osu actively anymore just can remember that kind of situations happening.

[@sel_rg]

Is it me or did you get a new microphone wtf the quality seems to have improved

[@kirkprospector4958]

He got a new PB

[@lacau1209]

Im guessing he's doing something with his voice records on premiere editing, clearing sound etc etc.. But yeah, i witness the difference too

[@EtienneYT]

I saw a video about audio editing and I was amazed at the difference. Needless to say, expect this audio quality from here on out, if not ,better if I can invest in a new mic haha.

[@xInglorious]

@@EtienneYT could you link that video that you watched? I'd like to learn more about audio editing too

[@EtienneYT]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJe6gIKXndplrrc

[@Bobbias]

Wow, I'm sad I missed that session. I've had skill boost sessions now and then and they are so great. It's always really cool to witness one live.

[@pascald7863]

I truly enjoyed watching wonder playing, and I hope he keep on having fun whatever is does next. I've been playing taiko and mania for four years and I must say that kind of situation makes me really nervous. The better I get, the more I start to see the "cheating accusations" issue becoming somehow closer. Hope I never have to resort to offline playing to keep on enjoying the game

[@KidsCastable]

Player analysis: jhlee or 2ard PLEASE

[@Rhys-gv3ir]

@shovel T Why not

[@timothykoh4845]

Its a commission thing unless you pay he wont make it

[@arisu78]

Its like that time where cookiezi was gone and hvick and rafis were fighting over top 1 and everyone was shookt how hddt gives alot of pp and everyone taught how it was inhumane hvicks skill and acc was

[@ThatGuy8bit]

Dorian electra flamboyant instrumental good taste bro

[@MowseChow]

Players thought that wonder5193 was the best player in the osu mania MWC 4K 2018, MWC 7K 2019 and MWC 4K 2019. He was a powered stamina player and wonder5193 was my favorite player when I saw his video's, He was the best player and not any cheater using a cheating program.

[@jenferanthony9457]

If you are who I think you are then I would like to say that I did not expect to see you here.

[@WinterzPlayz]

Put his persecutors to shame. This is true dedication in the face of adversity. Can't believe so many ppl put him under pressure to go live.

[@Jhlee-sl3dt]

7:41 2ard=zard windy's o2jam name

[@deko97]

Loved the structure of the video, really well organized and nice to listen to.

[@Fwnz]

Staiain/Lily player analysis when

[@TheDevilchilly]

One of the most important messages we all needed in this modern day and time.

[@tazppn5575]

love that you used dorian electra songs in the background!!

[@hansjonelbelgira6441]

videos like these are so entertaining.

[@grassgrow030]

What I find most interesting about this video is this Phenomenon of having God Skill days. Ive been playing 4k for years and have only had about 3 sessions that were god skill days. It was perfectly described in the video, your sense are just sharp and you feel so reactive and beating your own high scores seem to almost be a breeze. My last god skill day was a few years ago and i managed to play the next highest difficulty chart which before i could pass with a C or B...and i Sed that shit so hard, the adrenaline rush was real. Proceeded to play through all my favourite maps that day, many Pbs were set..

[@xdeathwalkingterrorx]

Wonderful video.

[@eldelicioso3790]

As if I couldnt love you enough you have to bust out the Dorian Electra in the background absolute king😤💯

[@EtienneYT]

Of course, of course :)

[@AirSpanii]

Most well put together video you’ve made so far in my opinion. Really went the extra mile great stuff- change your Twitter link in your description!!

[@Roxas09202]

I see u putting Dorian Electra instrumentals in as backing music.... 🔥🔥

[@angielou-5188]

thats the pinnacle of a skill. Being accused as a cheater even just doing his best. Salute to wonder5193 anyways what a great video

[@IkkiYuuji]

The rising of the mania god

[@sjenkas9586]

Good video to get through quarantine

[@sunjino]

God i love this channel!

[@sicklelkcis]

I think he came back

[@lbiohazardl3352]

Man the structure in this video was superb.

[@Faulheit]

this is a super interesting video concept

[@zedoctor_]

I dont even play any Osu games, but this is pretty fuggin sweet if I do say so myself

[@shae5731]

Very nice video!

[@nezza7471]

YOU DROPPED THAT DORIAN ELECRA SONG IN THERE DONT THINK I DIDNT NOTICE

[@nezza7471]

MAN TO MAN GOES HARD

[@Nathan_7978]

great video!

[@tonjie.]

It happened to me but i kept it forever

[@Haz1949]

Thanks to wonder I was inspired to try my best to one day maybe be on a really high rank.

[@Cardmaster12]

hey, I had a god session today in DDR haha, almost AAA'd my first 16, don't even have a 15 yet, and just started AAAing 14s

[@everyoneisdisappointedinme6428]

wait...after a map finished you guys didn't just immediately jumps into other maps?

[@PicaPollo]

Nice vid!

[@0knoP]

Well i guess this video is going to need an update lol

[@ron.1738]

Absolute legend

[@theolabbate1611]

One of my best friends is a near top player of mania 4k, but somehow he always got a lot of hate and everyone accused him of being a cheater, and got his account banned several times... I'm quite sad about it :/ If you want to check it out, his youtube channel is Skeeky74. He doesn't play live however

[@emi_dake]

11:14 SillyFangirl osu: etienne moment wazzup

[@papifernan3]

etienne moment wazzup

[@drlou417]

9:00 did he say planet shaver?

[@bakuretsue]

5:19 regardless of whether you have the best score on Delta, if you can even clear it to begin with you may call yourself one of the best players around.

[@lappland_osu333]

We need sointu ZZzzzz (myuka)

[@teevee1782]

Wonder is truly wonderful

[@wendystuive9049]

I have a godmode sesh (it lasts for about one and a half days) every two to three days or so, and i probably have the same skill improvement speed as sel or mrekk

[@Male_Parent]

He's back... Maybe... At least as of 14 days ago. When he uploaded Machinegun Psystyle with a bad choke. D: But in that vid it seems his local leaderboard would've been the #1 score.

[@xx-wt1su]

wonder hasnt been online since the day this video was posted :(

[@jasonorjoshlee7607]

Wonder's left hand ring finger look incredibly long during the stream. Maybe he's a alien.

[@Kyrrix]

"godmode sessions" happen in fps games too, I've had plent in r6 where i just can not miss a shot

[@june3149]

Theyre more prominent in rythm games though, since they require more accuracy and rythme/reaction time.

[@Kyrrix]

I agree, I’ve had more godmode sessions in osu then r6

[@elbbepp]

No one gonna talk about how damn LONG his fucking fingers are god DAMN.

[@Spd4356]

He has some long fingers

[@beefboy8812]

I'm seeing parallels between wonder and whitecat, it seems the osu community are a skeptical bunch.

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

Holy shit putting your fingers in the position wonder does makes you able to click SO much faster, im stealing his finger position, dont give a damn

[@baileyapedaile8306]

Schmooey player analysis when

[@Ryudius]

Legend.

[@GoatPersonThing]

I remember one time on my old channel before I lost it, I was struggling with Bloodlust so much in Geometry Dash, I had nearly 40k attempts in total, then one day I somehow beat it in 2 attempts

[@doom4232]

Maybe the godmode people are talking about is the Flow State (The Zone): kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ_EamBuh6yEqNE

[@mikestion4629]

>is good at the game >"ur a cheater!" >live streams himself slaughtering prev #1 scores on some difficult songs (like what the fuck?? this man is powerful) i hope wonder5193 has a great time after all this

[@Worrum]

Player analisis Jhlee0133 plis

[@alvarobocio7503]

I really like watching Wonder's videos :(

[@Dystxnn]

I'm still hoping to see Genesis play osu!mania for a long time.

[@ilovedurians02]

that is insane

[@Dyleniz]

I came back to the video, The Aiae score has been sniped

[@4nnd711]

took long enough

[@nerutired]

even tho it was sniped he is still the only person that ss'ed aiae

[@neisansenpai1155]

I actually have a question, what is the best method of showing on screen real time key inputs for rhythm games?

[@waterbe3564]

Beginning of the video: I hate wonder hes such a liar cheater After the video: I love wonder hes such an honest, legitamite osu mania player

[@kyu-1004]

amakage's situation is entirely different hahaha

[@misakalin5257]

nice video and story. Thank u by the way, jhlee0133 player analysis please.

[@dudesk099]

Ah for once not some BMS crazy player that joined made a bunch of scores and left. Abcdullahs legendary short stint with osu was insane to watch but he was already an overjoy player

[@paprika7702]

Lo he pasado bien recordando.

[@dogebad]

shoutout dorian electra

[@xxsummer666xx4]

had to listen to dorian electra after this :^)

[@albertisfunny]

i think me may know him

[@OfficialHelzspring]

Wouldn't the OMWC be a way to help? as they are multiplayer matches?

[@ly.8049]

The OMWC is held after his live prove,so yeah,it’s just double confirming wonder is legit

[@CryogenicFrost]

That moment when you suck too much to ever be questioned if you're legit or not (i mean me not the god ettienne)

[@xyzain_1827]

It's always weird to me, that in rhythm games if you are accused of cheating, YOU have to provide proof that you aren't.

[@erroruraomote371]

that how proven innocent works lol. It's just rhythm games are pretty easy to replicate

[@滝本ひふみ]

7:22 유미코졌네 -> otaku +1 lose 로 번역해놓은거 ㅈㄴ웃기네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@이현오-t5m]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@satenshi7]

11:15 Etienne moment

[@tengo_hambru]

dude what the fuck does having crab fingers make you good at rhythm games

[@EASIllinois]

could be i have em and i went from 6 digit last week (163k) to a 5 digit now (86k)