Ultimate CHEAT Code to Target Panic

[@rileykilgore9914]

I started bow hunting about 5 years ago. I spent the first 2-3 years of that time with a bear archery bow I got from Cabela’s that had the wrong draw length and wrong arrows. I can honestly say MFJJ and Dan have reinvigorated my love for bow hunting. I have a Matthew’s phase 4 33 now and love tinkering with it. I have finally cracked into shooting my first bull out here in Colorado last year and the year before thanks to listening to the advice given by you two guys. Best KZbin channel out there. Keep up the great videos!

[@ryanderlago]

Important video here! Every controlled shot Dan and JJ took was followed by them blinking. Every forced shot their eyes stayed open. Really shows which ones were a surprise. Thx boys!!🙏

[@HSeaward3]

@@ryanderlago that’s an interesting observation 👀

[@upstatearcher]

😂😂😂😂 ahhh man MFJJ’s punch hesitated follow through had me rolling!

[@joshkraut3901]

Tension activated got me over the hump of holding and waiting to go off, but i still had to learn how mix in my thumb button and learn to let my fingers be dynamic and thumb static.. I don’t use my tension release at all anymore and have been free of this nightmare for years now, you guys got me over target panic and can’t thank you enough!!!

[@timbow50]

Dan, absolutely the best intro you have ever created. And one of the best videos with Joel offering some of the most important aspects of taking CONTROL of the shot. Awesome. I wished all the trigger punchers, especially the trigger punching KZbinrs, would be able to see this video. It just might change their whole life. 👍👍👀

[@ElkShape]

Appreciate it! -DS

[@derrickwarner9578]

Yep im very honest with myself snd i have had issues with target panic on and off for years. I always had to go back steps of the process. This year i said goong back steps and getting over it again long enough to hunt and then get back to target panic isn't good enough. I am going all the way back to the beginning and working through it until i get to where i need to be

[@Farmersforever1993]

The best introduction to a video. Keep up the great work.

[@GBBLGBL]

Joel Turner changed my shot process and going on my third year of total control!! I did that drill early on of coming to full draw, pulled away from my face and WATCHED my hinge go to the click AND fire!! It was INTENSE but now it gives me a better understanding of what is happening with the hinge and now I can "SEE" the release moving in every single shot!!

[@matthewnorris203]

What clarified it for me was: thoughts are passive. Thinking is assertive. Joel is wanting us to be in an assertive state. Thanks, Joel

[@mitchkman]

This video is a bullseye in explaining how a flexed mind is just as important as a flexed bow arm. 🏹💥

[@bretheckenberger6044]

Joel’s course changed my life too. I can’t endorse the course enough!

[@johnarcher9480]

This is a better description of a surprise release than really target panic. I agree a surprise release is a great tool in curing TP, but I don’t believe its an aversion to an explosion. Its an aversion to imperfection, and as alluded to, trying to aim and shoot at the same time.

[@Sam-rl6sr]

exactly the video I needed. Im a trigger puncher and not accurate or consistent. Gonna apply these techniques. Appreciate ya!

[@reggiemiller00]

Great video. Just did his class yesterday. The range that hosted videoed you and sent the videos. Awesome resource. Look forward to taking the class again after I can practice for a while.

[@ElkShape]

Good stuff!

[@pickin4you]

What broke me was switching to a back tension release. After a few months with it, even today, 30+ years later, I cannot pick any release. The back tension release broke me of that. Today, most of those same releases are called hinges. That’s because lost don’t or can’t use one properly. You don’t turn it in your hand. You squeeze you shoulder blades together until it fires. No matter a index trigger or thumb trigger, I cannot punch one today, all thanks to a 2 finger Stan back tension release. Scary in the beginning, but worth it in the end.

[@mikehughesoutdoors2774]

This was the one. The light went on and out to the range and everything came together. It was always there, just application! I’ve shot 3 position rifle out to 1k yards and it was always second nature to squeeze through the shot. Never used the unconscious approach in archery. Took 5 minutes to close it up and apply it as Joel shows. I’m 70 and have punched my way across the target for 60 years. Thanks Joel, Dan and Josh.

[@JustShootYourBow]

Almost at 100K Subscribers! Let’s go! Congratulations!

[@grantprice6803]

I really enjoy watching Joel turner. Want to take course but exchange is stupid right now. All I can say. Watching him help you two has helped me a lot !!!! Keep it up

[@matthewnorris203]

Joel is soo on point. He opened my eyes

[@sirhenrystalwart8303]

Meanwhile, Cam Hanes is over there slapping triggers and putting arrows in the 10 ring at 140 yards.

[@The-Jokes-on-You]

I recommend people using a release like Scott's Longhorn Hex. Its been out for a while & is almost like a strange hybrid of a trigger/hinge release. Its very adjustable, gives you 3 finger contact and allows you to rest them on the lever minimizing the chance of punching. Once your fingers make contact just slowly squeeze. Its a great & overlooked release that helps the punching problem IMO.

[@sofasquirrel]

Great video. Joel has been a huge help for me. Thank you all.

[@timbow50]

A very important aspect of getting/ having anxiety IMO is NOT BEING in bow shooting shape. For whatever reason if you can’t easily? draw the bow and hold against the back wall as needed ( with control) you will be fighting the entire process. This will instantly lead to punching and drive by shooting. You will become accustomed to very quickly punching because you can’t hold the draw and aim as needed. Sure, there are those physically able to draw heavy poundage but still hammer that trigger for all the reasons Joel explains. When learning how to overcome TP it may be necessary to reduce your DW so you CAN control the process. And you will need to have a release PROPERLY setup. So many have trigger releases that CAN NOT be adjusted short enough to set them up right. Those cheap barrel designs rarely will shorten enough. Get a trigger that is on an adjustable strap that can be set to hook your finger deeply over the trigger and you learn to pull thru the shot- not punch the trigger. Getting these two things done will help tremendously with anxiety BECAUSE YOU ARE IN CONTROL!

[@dreaneau]

Great Vid. Thoughts vs Thinking can be applied to so much. Sooo good

[@swampmom7507]

Great video. Most of the conversation seems to be around the end of the loop. I get it. I’m just not sure that after you leave the aiming room, where your eyes go to keep your pin where it needs to go.

[@JasonHarris-qi9oz]

Wow I am a horrible puncher,gunna try hard to fix 30 plus years of wrong. Thanks for the knowledge fellas.

[@FredFunk-yq9jl]

I know all about this just didn’t realize that it has a name. I have went through 4-5 bows through 30 years and due to target panic I have never stayed with bow hunting. Enjoy the hunt but I am constantly losing arrows at practice and have crippled more bucks than I have taken. It’s a sickness that I was hoping I would out grow.

[@michaellynch3172]

Agreed, best intro yet Dan. Hilarious. I do have a question though. I love the concept of a surprise release and clearly it works and you guys know what you’re talking about. My question is what about a hunting situation? Sometimes I need to know and “time” when the arrow is released. You may have a window to shoot through or a second or two to take the shot. Does this still apply?

[@BigChedMeister]

That is the beauty of a closed loop. We can speed up the process and still have a surprise break on the shot (a faster "Here. We. Go"). There is a difference between speeding up the shot process and punching the trigger. This is no different from hunting with a firearm. The closed loop theory is that we are able to control the shot through a 'pure' mechanical process - taking out as much human influence to the system as possible. If we know when the shot will break, we will instinctively tense to control the bow/firearm. This tensing/torquing will cause a disturbance to the system potentially causing accuracy issues. Through practice, you can master your shot sequence and understand the average timing that it takes for the surprise break. If you are trying to shoot through a small gap with critical timing, high chance are you will punch the trigger - this is the challenge of hunting and only having few opportunities. practice does not make perfect... Only PERFECT practice makes perfect.

[@jthepickle7]

I notice how team members talk to the shooter during their shot - sort of distracting them. It's antithetical to concentration but there it is!

[@wingman327]

Don't get bored with the basics. Blank bail with your eyes closed a lot.

[@SlimPickins_07]

I know for a fact I have issues with this. I tell myself I'm going to work on it but every time I go to practice I rarely remember. Probably need a coach lol

[@stephenmcdowell8148]

Good stuff. Keep it coming!

[@jumboredneck2831]

Oh my God. I wanna take a vacation down there. Love from Canada.

[@Robinwolf_00]

True talk...you must concentrate...

[@christopherriley4823]

Great video, punching the trigger on my thumb release cost me a bull last season. Did not go thru any of my shot process, and I came home empty handed…. Sucks!

[@ElkShape]

Back to the grindstone! 2024 will be different! -DS

[@charlessmith6506]

Great video, i needed that reminder because lately i suck shit

[@FrankDog-d5r]

Opinions and talent vary. Josh is not wrong IMO. Like he said, 'some people need that', and some people don't. If you have a 'problem' with target panic and can't group well, then do what he's talking about.

[@jamesd5014]

Loved this one. Thanks!!

[@Uncle.Mike.]

Preach brotha preach! Great video!

[@DavidBridge-u8d]

That movement they are talking about to think about pulling back is the same movement I’m concentrating on with my trigger finger weather it’s my index finger or thumb Get the pin wear it belongs and squeeze The squeeze is natural to me I’m past the point of training my brain for that I have to work on the pin moving around and the shot going where I want it You can tell the difference of when you jerked a shot or a deer jumped the string

[@jayonez137]

Best intro on KZbin in a long time!😂

[@ElkShape]

🙏🏼

[@garaldfillmore5026]

I can’t stop laughing at MFJJ when he punches the trigger, then follows through!

[@jaxteti]

Pure gold. Thanks!

[@dusanpavlovic2201]

id like to see dan shooting target archery like an outdoor round at 50m, to compare 3d with target archery

[@jackbuendgen389]

Great vid guys!

[@joshcatanzaro6220]

With anxiety my brain is already panicking and you're saying I need my brain to panic more to be accurate?

[@BowhuntingSwede]

Thanks for a great vid. Quality reps, not quantity 👍🏻

[@ElkShape]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@TaCtiCaL323]

This is something totally new to me and something I can't even comprehend. Over 3 decades shooting bows and this is just becoming a thing now? Its just muscle memory, why are you even thinking? What are you even thinking about? Lol!

[@mattsoutdoors7757]

Have to say i have Target panic. I have been working on this for years. I have gotten better over the years. But i have my off days where it is just stop shooting. I Deffinetly need some help with it. I have been wanting to do a elk shap training. But man you 3 are spendy when you get togeather.

[@hugo1234tg]

Do the joel turner course. Game changer

[@jmcb5215]

After shooting with joel at cascadia bowmen last year... seeing him with the special kids helmet on a bike really sent it home

[@wolvesnight]

I found that holding the pin too long on a spot causes panic.. I learned to float my pin and when the pin is on spot bingo 👌

[@ronaldirvineII]

😂😂😂 great intro. Almost spit up my coffee

[@kt3505]

I need to figure out how to not wobble and shake when aiming , have to have a controlled shake if that makes sense, like how we rifle shoot off hand.Never been able to hold the bow steady and before anyone asks , no I am not over bowed or under strength just how it is when i'm doing fine actions that need precision, the finer the activity the harder to stabilize.Grrrrrrrrrr

[@temrenoutdoors]

thanks, this is gonna help a lot!

[@keephammeringprospecting]

You guys are the best 🤙

[@DavidKing-dl9vm]

Great Information and content. I am struggling with an issue of when I aim, for some reason, I am rock steady 4-6" below the target. I feel like I am lifting up a cinder block to get my pins up that last 4" and cant hold it there so I end up smashing my thumb release on the way by. Is this target panic or something else like a misaligned peep or a form issue? Any replies would be appreciated.

[@ajbholsters2035]

I had a similar issue until I started extending my bow shoulder out and "pushing" toward the target while I hold against the back wall. Most people collapse or tuck in their bow shoulder and it relaxes the muscles that help hold the bow up. Now my pin just sits and floats around my intended impact point.

[@MarkVankeuren]

Dam has to standing on phone books, or drank miracle grow. How did he get as tall as Joel. Normally he looks like he is looking up a tree when talking to MFJJ. 🤣 All love and fun great info, love this channel and podium archer.

[@Mattcruger]

This was great

[@KenSanders-b5t]

Great video!

[@allenshafer7666]

Great info. No wonder Bodie wins everything on earth!

[@ElkShape]

🫶🏼

[@bengoode2132]

That video was about how to shoot your releases. Not anything about target panic. I want to know how to stop my pin from dropping under the target. I can hold like a rock 4 inches under the dot but as soon as i try to pick it up i get to shaking. Please do a video on how to aim better and not drop under the target.

[@colt1669]

I have the exact same problem

[@jumboredneck2831]

What about trigger style, nVM I just seen the end . Should of waited. I wanna come to school with you guys.

[@davidrose415]

Okay I haven't watched all the way through, just to where you have shown what target panic is. I wanted to describe my shot process before watching so it isn't influenced by what you are going to tell people to do to fix it. Obviously I draw first. I use a thumb release, and i have an over hand draw like the Japanese because I was taught by a Japanese archer how to shoot accurately. I've tried to change my draw, but I was taught to draw that way at 4 years old, and it how my draw muscles were developed. Trying to change my draw I tore my rotator cuff and now I can't change it. Sorry for the rabbit hole. I have the arrow some what on target in my draw, and my thumb under the trigger so there is no way I can set it off accidentally. As my hands separate my left arm goes to target, and my right hand goes to my anchor while my nose settles to the string and my eye settles to the peep and the pin. At this point the pin is just a peripheral my focus becomes only the target. Kind of a wormhole. I see the pin, but I am only paying attention to it to see it has settled not drifting around. I continue to pull the release once I am on target and settle my thumb to the trigger just barely touching in the bend of the knuckle. Now I begin to apply the same amount of force as I was at the beginning of my draw pulling through. As I continue to pull my hand will naturally close trying to apply more grip to pull. I'm not thinking about it at all, just pulling. The release is fired naturally just like with traditional Archery your fingers open naturally to release the shot. I use back tension and my bodies instinctual mechanics. This is how I can shoot golfballs at 100 yards reliably. No no one can hit a golfball 100% of the time at 100 yards with a bow, but I can do it 90% of the time or more. I am not bragging, and am more than happy to prove it all you gotta do is come to montague county Texas, and i will gladly meet up with you to prove it. I'm not gonna come to you to prove it because I know I can do it and I don't have to prove it. You wanna see it you will come to me. No I'm not being snarky I'm just tired of arguing with people. Folks Chris Bee can do it also, I've seen videos where he was trying to Robin hood an arrow at 100 yards and hitting golfball sized groups. Most target archers can do it. It isn't an amazing feet. I can do it because I've practiced 4-6 hours a day every day for 30 years. I have absolutely no interest in being a target archer. I do it because I owe it to the animal I intend to harvest to be that accurate. I would never take a shot past 30 yards hunting. To many variables outside my control at 30.1 yards. Honestly prefer my hunting shot at 15-20 yards. Same reason I have the fastest bow I can afford and the heaviest pound age I can draw without hurting myself (70lbs). Now I am going to finish the video to see if I can learn something. We all have room to improve.

[@JohnNeedham-zk5ms]

I wished a cast such a tall shadow as Dan but I think I will always come up short

[@NathanFleming5722]

What was the wrist release Joel used at the end?

[@justinmahan7860]

I have to set my release to about medium tension to get over it. If i set it hot i punch bad

[@brianmiller1580]

I wish I would learned this 35yrs ago.....I've put in a lot of bad reps

[@ryanpeterson9838]

Money ! 👊🏻

[@aaronthompson2906]

Intro is pretty funny

[@henrybright8531]

I’ve been shooting for about 5 years and only just developed TP. My pin floats below the bullseye and cannot seem to bring it up. It’s absurd

[@dannjohnsonZ28]

Great video. Can anybody tell me why I have a have proper technique at long distance but punch the trigger at 20 yds???

[@fabriziolamanna]

Detailed Summary Section 1 00:00:02 The speaker discusses the mental and physical aspects of archery, emphasizing the importance of mental concentration and control. They talk about the challenge of controlling the shot and how it can impact one's overall decision-making. They also address the issue of target panic and the need to consciously override the central nervous system. The speaker emphasizes the importance of mental reps in archery and the detrimental effects of punching the trigger. They also provide guidance on diagnosing and addressing target panic and anxiety in archery. ► Watch this video section Section 2 00:06:35 The speaker discusses the importance of proper trigger control in archery, emphasizing the need for a closed loop control system where the trigger pressure is applied slowly and the release is a surprise. They explain that shooting with an open loop control system, where the trigger pressure is too fast to stop or modify, can lead to poor shooting habits and ultimately hinder performance, especially in high-pressure situations like hunting. The speaker recommends videoing oneself to analyze the wrist movement during the release and emphasizes the importance of controlling one's thoughts and voice during the shooting process. They stress the need for proper strategy and instruction in order to improve shooting performance. ► Watch this video section Section 3 00:11:10 In this part of the video, the speaker emphasizes the importance of concentrating on the perfect shot and getting practice with a bow for concentration. They discuss different categories of release aids and specifically focus on tension-activated releases, cautioning that if set too lightly, it can deceive the shooter. The speaker advises setting the release aid with more tension to help the shooter focus on the movement and avoid distractions. They stress the need for self-diagnosis and honesty in improving shooting skills. The video also mentions a website for courses and an upcoming event in 2024. Additionally, the speaker provides tips for using an index finger release, emphasizing the importance of proper finger placement and pressure on the trigger. ► Watch this video section Section 4 00:15:58 In this part of the video, the speaker discusses the importance of maintaining control over the release when shooting a bow. They emphasize the need to focus on the release and trigger finger to avoid pre-ignition movements that can affect the point of impact. The speaker suggests a drill where the archer draws the bow, focuses on the release, and talks themselves through the trigger pull to understand the feeling of releasing the arrow. They highlight the importance of visualizing the trigger pressure increase and maintaining focus on the release to improve control and accuracy. ► Watch this video section

[@ВладимирПрименко-о5б]

Ok. When shooting with a strap release, my hand never slips through it and can't do it. Shooting in this way is very inaccurate, thrust control is also needed so that the shot occurs at 75% of the maximum, as Dudley says, and this is not a surprise shot in any way. If you want to shoot like that, get used to the fact that you will always shoot past the target. Maybe you will start getting there someday, but no one knows how long it will take.

[@DiamondPeakOutdoors]

I like turtles! I also like controlling the shot, but as hard as it is to do on a target, it's 100x harder on an animal.

[@illiterate-ei8dp]

kind of a dumb question: if you don't know when the shot will break, and the pin is floating on and off the yellow, how do I get the shot to hit a 10?

[@mikeguy9668]

So without all the jargon, dont anticipate the shot, go slow and smooth

[@kylerbowers180]

When’s the review on shot sense coming?

[@ElkShape]

Soon! -DS

[@kylerbowers180]

@@ElkShape sweet, look forward to it!

[@derrickkampfer3131]

So hold on here…are we going to pretend like Dan isn’t standing on a box at the beginning of this video???

[@Cpt-Pugwash14]

very good

[@Mike.O.89x]

@elkshape what index release was Joel using at the end of the video?? Ive always shot index and have been looking to explore some new ones.

[@malcolmjohnson5941]

It’s definitely a Carter release. Probably a Like Mike 2. Probably the best index release made.

[@ElkShape]

LIKE MIKE II

[@drewabney9605]

Does Joel dip tobacco ? His thumb is yellow .

[@douglyons8841]

Cheetos

[@ChrisJ-g5e]

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE ORANGE RELEASE DAN IS USING CALLED?

[@ElkShape]

It's a Carter Too Simple ElkShape Edition - they're on my website. -Dan

[@grantprice6803]

What would you like to discuss.

[@archerash6695]

Hahahahaha

[@seantimmerman2360]

Hey, Dan redo the picture on the front of your video for this one with a picture of you mfjj and Joel. Maybe even rename it. This is a better explanation from Joel and for me a great lesson. I found it funny and entertaining but it’s so much more on this one. Your video, just mfo lol

[@ElkShape]

Glad you liked it! -DS

[@Poetry503-u4m]

If i only had a Car❤

[@vinnyscotti7192]

What’s that thing that touches the tip of his nose. Kinda like a kisser button?

[@brpnw4r94]

Bomar Nose button.

[@blackbeard0323]

Not to say his method doesnt work. However, he is selling his process which he is invested in, its like a Dem and Climate change. I love it when someone says you can't do something, its only a matter of time before they're proven wrong. Good for some!

[@johndenver5029]

If Joel turner ever has a kid he's gonna be the best archer in a while

[@blackbeard0323]

@@johndenver5029 we will see, but thats a pretty bold statement cotton!

[@blackbeard0323]

@@johndenver5029 Higher probability that Levi Morgans kids will be high level archers!

[@johndenver5029]

@blackbeard0323 Bodie turner is his kid. Open pro champion at 17

[@blackbeard0323]

@@johndenver5029 cool. Neither are dudes I follow.

[@aaronhawk4200]

Hard to tell but i think mfjjs fletchings were not even

[@tobpitbull]

No such thing…PAN'IC, noun A sudden fright; particularly, a sudden fright without real cause, or terror inspired by a trifling cause or misapprehension of danger; as, the troops were seized with a panic; they fled in a panic. if there is a such thing as target panic, the problem is way before the bow, it has something to do with the mental stability with an individual. Is a person terrified of archery, arrows, a bow, a release, a paper target, a sight pin? Is anyone really terrify with these things in reality? No no no no. Should a person all of a sudden become terribly frightened about shooting a paper target with a simple bow and arrow the answer is no. I believe that there is no doubt people need help with form, making sure that they are setting their bows up correctly, and making sure they are coached properly, but I hear this target panic in archery today more than any other subject, and if something is put before a man enough in his eyes and ears, he suddenly becomes captivated by it. The Bible says as a man thinketh in his heart …so is he, I wouldn’t think too much on this subject I would enjoy archery in the natural ability that God has given one. The great archers of yesterday and bowhunters never dwelt on this, they built on perfecting, their approach to the game in which they were wanting to harvest. And if problems arose in their archery shooting, they personally identified the problem and work through it again to become better. One good thing about coaching is that it recognizes bad habits, a lot of archers may struggle more so with bad habits than anything else. Joel turner is a great teacher. He’s watched and watched and put a formula together off his observations which are good.

[@Aldocello1]

" Practice makes perfect " ... NOPE , as my father taught me , practice makes PERMANENT !!! So be sure you're practicing properly with good fundamentals , and that hits truth with any discipline be it archery , Long range rifle , pistol , golf , etc ...

[@scotttaylor7661]

Practice makes perfect? No , perfect practice makes perfect ……

[@jwild5360]

There’s nobody on the podium who just has completely no idea when the shot will go off. Levi Jesse Mr perfect they all know when that arrow is Gona leave the bow. There not shooting a TRUE surprise shot. Your brain will 100 percent learn your shot timing. I mean in less than a day.

[@tannerharris1483]

That doesn’t mean they’re punching. He never said you shouldn’t have shot timing

[@jrhunt414]

I disagree. Lots of champions with surprise releases. Lots of champions shooting an evolution.

[@thenameiwantedwastaken]

I used to know a competitive archer who would shoot with 3 back tension releases in his pouch, that were all set differently. He’d grab one each shot and genuinely not know when it was going to go off

[@jwild5360]

@@jrhunt414 they all know what their shot timing is. If they know their shot timing their brain knows when the release is going to fire. Its inevitable. Most all the big names have came out and said in recent years they ain’t shooting “back tension” they ain’t shooting “surprise” shots. Plenty videos of guys like Levi floating around saying that. He goes as far to say “we all figured it out awhile ago” speaking of his peers on the circuit. The only way to be shooting a surprise release is by having zero shot timing. NOBODY making a living at this game has zero shot timing. You close yours eyes bend over and touch your toes 20 thousand times you will know exactly when your fingers will touch your toes. Even with your eyes closed just purely on timing alone. Brain is way to powerful not to know when a release will fire that you’ve shot 100s of thousands of arrows through. I shoot a closed circuit controlled shot myself. I know when the arrow is leaving.

[@jwild5360]

@@thenameiwantedwastaken he’s 1 in a million. Who do you know with world titles who’s doing that? I can tell ya. Zero.

[@JoelMartinez-us2ko]

86k Chris be 160k 👎🏽

[@suzgabverdugo933]

What is Dan standing on in the beginning of the video 😂

[@jameslindenthal840]

GREAT VIDEO

[@ElkShape]

Thanks!