Ultimate Daily Driver? Why Porsche's 700HP Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Is Almost Brilliant

[@JayEmmOnCars]

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[@onnovanbraam]

I agree the first generation Panamera isn't a looker, but as a 4-year owner of a 970 Panamera S (yes, S, so two-wheel drive), I started to love it. It has every single option (ex-Danish bank CEO car) and it is the greatest everyday car I have ever driven or been driven in. The air suspension is so comfortable that you just glide on the highway. The space in the back is ludicrous: my 1.95m broter easily fits behind me in the back, height as well as leg wise. Plus I can fit a number of golf bags with 4 people in it. It easily fits two bicycles with the rear seats down. On and on the practicality goes. Also my car weighs 650 kilos (!!!!!!!) less than this car, since it doesn't have 4WD. So my car may 'only' have 400bhp and 500Nm, the difference in speed is probably not that large, which is kinda silly. The prices on the old Panamera are becoming really good nowadays, as with most luxury cars. So much value, and it can have every option this car in the review has. Another fact that probably nobody knows: did you know that the first generation Panamera was available as a manual? Very, very rare, but can be found on the large german car occasion website.

[@14DENISS88]

The peak would be manual Rwd S on springs. That thing must handle like dream.

[@nigelha3699]

interesting, as I drove a new Panamera 3.0 base model and at 186cm, i had almost no room behind me, and i drive quite close to the wheel - no straight arms here. Also I couldn't fit a set of golf clubs in the boot -straight. Need 107cm, boot was only 104 deep. Road noise was atrocious, worse than our Cayenne and the Macan they swapped it out for. Drives ok! Still didn't like the haptic buttons, and dash lights too bright for Oz country roads. It took about 5 minutes going through so many menus to dim them. Kept thinking I had it wrong as it was still too bright. One dial on the dash lowers the dash lowers the Cayennes...progress- perhaps not. I think Porsche is going backwards in ergonomics. Gone from benchmark to so so. Everyone complained about the Cayenne/Panamera dash and consoles buttons, but so easy to use quickly.

[@nabahmadi5012]

@richardharrold9736 it's nice, but I think personally just short of an e39 M5. But yeh Chris Harris I think reviewed the manual one.

[@Gabztar97]

Easily one of my dream cars. I love me a wagon that can do it all. I disagree with people calling it ugly. The first gen was ugly

[@bitmor2628]

I drove this for a week and I love the insane power and it handles way better than you would think it would based on its size. I loved it.

[@madarauchiha1218]

I still find alot of the issues of driving you find with the Turbo S E-Hybrid would be solved with driving the new non hybridized Panamera Turbo S. 650 hp all engine. It weighs substantially less. Really nice to drive.

[@napalmhotdog4365]

That’s the best car in the segment, IMO

[@Rumblingbelly]

The issue of non-hybrids in some countries (like Finland) is that the co2 emission based car tax is huuuuge. Can be 100k of just tax in the price, compared to hybrid it can be 3500€

[@slick147]

Should of reviewed the Porsche Panamera Turbo S ST without the hybrid systems. More agile, faster 0-62, 640 bhp and a more involving car to drive.

[@darrenbradley1506]

I said the same thing to James in a private message before he posted this video ;)

[@10Tenths]

It almost felt like everything positive you mentioned about it could have ended with "not standard"😂

[@Beer_Dad1975]

I was literally going in my head "This car has wheels - not standard - doors - not standard - wiper blades - not standard - an engine - not standard". I really don't get how this end of the market are happy to be absolutely shafted by options you get as standard on cars costing a third or less than this - I mean most mid-range SUV's have had 360 degree cameras as standard for several years now!

[@RedC220]

I really wanted the GTS version of this, it looked like the sweet spot to me, but it's just too expensive when comparing alternatives and the depreciation is unplatable. I was delighted when Porsche brought out the Taycan Cross Turismo. The tax breaks available to company directors means it effctively costs half what a Panamera does when bought through a Ltd company. My 4S Taycan CT arrives in January.

[@JJWoods552]

I’m sorry but you’ve outdone yourself with that shirt!! Bravo!!👏

[@smilepermile8165]

James, do you reckon that if you were to choose the 'sweet-spot' of this 2nd generation Panamera's line up, would it be the GTS Sport Turismo? Slightly cheaper, yet comes with the Turbo's looks, and has that rumbling V8 that you could wind out more of its power on public roads? Thanks in advance.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Very possible that it is yes

[@th3b0untyhunter]

facelift Turbo S (non hybrid) should also be considered. Same looks 630ps (621bhp) 2135kg All the performance of the e-hybrid without the extra weight or setup difficulties

[@CHLM98]

Gts with techart powerkit: 426kw. Turbo costs 22k € more than gts and has 404kw instead of 338kw. If you add the techart powerkit (4k €) you still save 18k € and get engine which produces more than the turbos engine (theyre the same engine anyways, just different pressures)

[@TheDowntownLights]

@@JayEmmOnCars will you ever review a GTS?

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Nice video. Thank you for showcasing the rear wheel steer others talk about it but you have it on video. Looking forward to the next video. Keep up the good work.

[@Nord_Mann]

As I Taycan owner done 50000km in mine, I was wondering why on earth I should’ve bought the enormous Panamera with inferior dynamics, right up until your conclusion👌🏻 Perfection James! Perfection🌟

[@paularmitage6543]

James, can I suggest a more affordable take on the same theme. My 2013 E63 estate is incredibly practical, does the wafty limo thing very well and then morphs into a great sports saloon at the press of an AMG button, feels like it will last forever - and unlike the Panamera it costs circa £20k today. A remap has taken mine to still pretty unstressed 700bhp but with standard exhaust emits that subtle muscle car sound. Without the swollen arches of an RS6 its truly the wolf in sheeps clothing. You are welcome to have a drive!

[@amnottabs]

as a 4 door sucker this was/is my dream car; had the chance to drive a friend's friend's '17 4S Diesel on our way back from a party night (perks of being the designated driver) and it was an interesting experience, flat power delivery at all times at all speeds even though it was a turbocharged engine and the weight of the car was really well hidden should I say... felt as nimble as any smaller sports car I drove before and that was with me at the wheel and 3 more adults that were more like dead weight at that point

[@niiardey]

Wow! Thanks jay! For uploading this video! Porsche panamera is my favorite car! I will own one in the future! Loved the video!! I still like the shape of the old one more!!

[@colinmaynard2879]

Ha ha…maybe “this panel has been left intentionally blank” 😀

[@acenonda4021]

Lovely content as always James. With your interior driving videos, can you please consider mounting a camera which shows the facia/dash/windscreen while driving.

[@icmdead1]

Another cracking video, I do like the look of this Panamera with the estate/shooting brake/saloon look thats going on here.

[@damindra]

HAHA just bought the 4 Ehybrid Sport Turismo (2018)! Absolute weapon even though its not the quicker 4s or turbo!!

[@billnorblat4047]

That "advertising space" is typically occupied by a beautiful wood grain when the vehicle has been specced by anything other than a classless oaf.

[@th3orist]

The FF and the Lusso definitely grew on me and i consider them the most beautiful cars that fit in this kind of segment.

[@riccccccardo]

I love idea of daily low but large Ferrari for four people.

[@Punisher9419]

@@riccccccardo Ferrari used to make saloon coupe type cars that could seat a few people, it would be nice to see them go back to making a saloon even if it's a one off. 250 GT coupe 2+2 they did a few other 2+2 models as well. They don't need to have 4 doors but they have that saloon style to them that they could still do today.

[@Anonym-dx2tp]

Taycan Cross turismo is nicer.

[@JoJoJoker]

@@Anonym-dx2tp blah.

[@riccccccardo]

@@Punisher9419 I also forgot to say seat 4 comfortably and not a squeeze.

[@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt]

Was always hoping Porsche would make a new 928 from this platform.

[@duncanorr5926]

Interesting thought. Like it 👍

[@Tom90Y]

I agree and I think there was initial plans to do so, however I suspect VW group vetoed the idea. As they would be concerned it would take away some of Bentley’s customer base for the continental GT.

[@darrenbradley1506]

@@Tom90Y that’s what happened, yes

[@callytheblueparakeet]

Dare I say it, I like this... but I *lust* after your Grigio Granito QP. Yes, I am utterly biased.

[@khayampeta6876]

Take a shot every time Jay says "Not Standard." 😂😂

[@anthonyfmoss]

I’m bladdered

[@Fc-cb3tn]

It’s straight to the AA for you😂

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

14:59. Look at the bodgy panel fit to the left of headlight

[@bradulovic82]

Nice catch, looks really bad considering it is on the 160k flagship Panamera.

[@lukeshardlow768]

Starting to warm to these… good review!

[@Spleen214]

Thanks for covering the options problem. Unfortunately, Every Porsche model suffers the same fate. I wonder how many sales have been lost after a play on the Porsche configurator?

[@ArmadaAsesino]

I kind of like the old Panameras shape. That bulbous rear end reminds me a bit of old Bugattis

[@zzzgarage2704]

+1 im also a fan of the rear end of the old Panamera, for whatever reasons it's kinda hypercarish to me

[@IK4MS]

I'll get flamed for this but I think the first gen Panamera is the third best looking Porsche car ever after the 959 and 944.

[@kenibold3900]

I have a '16 970. I like the look of the first gen as well. When they streamlined the 971, it made it look kind of like any other 4 door sedan.

[@kennyg4744]

So the question is (maybe one for your chatty videos), are premium brand cars just profiteering from customers with options lists? My neighbour has a 2019 VW Tiguan R-Line and so many of the things you mentioned as options, are standard on the £40k Tiguan. Pan Roof, LED matrix lights etc. Not that I am comparing a Tiguan to a Panamera, but if the VW group can have these as standard features on a Tiguan, why do they become very expensive options on a Porsche?

[@velvetjones1856]

What a perfect daily driver with plenty of room for goods without having an SUV. Or the Taycan version

[@atomicdave1987]

Great video James as ever. I've always quite liked the Panamera, even the first one. Then again, what do I know as I also liked (and still like) the Cayenne!

[@richardh3587]

Ha when I started watching this I wondered if you’d bring up the taycan. I remember how much you liked it in the review. I agree ; the taycan seems to make this a bit redundant. And now that they also offer it in wagon form you can have your EV cake and eat it too.

[@RogerBaileyOnCars]

It’s brilliant while slightly falling short of its promise, nice vid once again J 👍🏼

[@napalmhotdog4365]

It’s subjective, he clearly doesn’t go into this review totally impartially

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Come on now Hotdog show your workings Thanks for stopping by as always Roger. Enjoy that 992

[@raulsanchezjr4048]

@@RogerBaileyOnCars best car ever

[@grayfool]

Seems a very complicated load of tech to get along the road. Is it really better than the pure petrol one?

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

I totally agree on the Taycan choice... I've never really WANTED a Porsche before, but I saw a dark green Taycan on the road the other day and man oh man do they look good. First WANT ONE Porsche that I've seen.

[@MrKal321]

I'd like to understand what advantage if any the turbo e-hybrid has over the regular turbo

[@napalmhotdog4365]

More power (although more weight) and you can fo quietly into town on hybrid alone. Btw, I think the turbo s non hybrid is the best of the bunch

[@neverthar]

I've always thought the shooting brake shape has been the best for the Panamera..the fastback just didn't do it for me

[@henryhol8538]

Quite a review! I'm now going to find the Taycan video to compare!

[@psircos]

I see one of these coming out of a side road in Shawlands last Fri. It was "absolutely massive", my first though when I laid eyes on it!!

[@DavidBoy333]

Taycan is more like M5, E63, RS6 alternative. The Panamera is more like M8, S63, M760Li competition since its bigger than those mid size executive sedans. I remember my friend bought a Panamera 4 executive and I was surprised by how mig the rear seat space was .

[@Hunter.Jackson]

Keep it up Jay, your my favorite car KZbinr by far!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks Hunter!

[@pranavp8709]

I don’t know if there is something wrong with my eyes but I remember the front end being quite a bit different from a Panamera I had seen. I don’t know is it because it is ST or the one I saw had some styling pack on it

[@colinmaynard2879]

This one has the sports styling pack

[@darrenbradley1506]

I have owned the non-hybrid version of this car for two years, and can attest that it is far lighter, more engaging and visceral, and quicker than the hybrid version. Would be a much better choice to compare against any of the cars you mentioned, such as the RS6, the FF, or the AMG GT. I hope you review one of those. As for the Taycan, the rear seats and storage aren’t as big, and the limited range doesn’t cut it for long road trips. The Panamera Sport Turismo is the ultimate continent crusher for a family trip. Only the RS6 is really a competitor in that category.

[@riccccccardo]

My mk4 3.5 v6 Lexus GS 450h f sport gets long term overall average 35.3 mpg or immediate current average of 38mpg. Lexus says it was designed for performance first and economy second. Even though it does better mpg then my old mk7 Audi 2.0 tfsi petrol.

[@Steve-vp8ng]

2.4 tons! It might have 700hp, but power to weight is no better than a f10 m5.

[@SDK2006b]

the M5 is a Saloon though

[@kamkob7935]

I have a m5 f10 and i destroyed this car. I tought it was broken but it is really that slow.

[@joelsilvarodrigues]

In my opinion, the right choice is the Panamera 4 e-hybrid Sport Turismo, not the Tycan. Excellent Review!

[@sp00ky1969]

By the way, what’s happening with 550 content? I’m very tempted by the 599 at current prices.

[@JoJoJoker]

WheneverI see an E63S or Panamera I think “What a philistine!”

[@saairgunner5925]

What about the Tesla Model S Plad, 8f its performance you want?

[@lr_s3102]

Is the steering wheel standard?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

No

[@lr_s3102]

@@JayEmmOnCars I'm assuming contrast stitching is a 10k option?

[@iandavidson99]

Saw one in chalk grey and with the green E-Hybrid highlights, it looked awesome! 2400kgs though?? Ay caramba!

[@stevensumner3146]

Another great vid thanks for sharing. When you spoke about the push to pass button giving 20 seconds of full attack mode, I saw an image of the Hulk returning to Bruce Banner half way past a truck with nowhere to hide, 🙈, guess you press the button again and pray 🙏

[@TheReargunner]

I Only discovered this channel last week, so glad i did i love it, i will never buy a McLaren as they are a bundle ..

[@boogboog8097]

Standard turbo is 250kg lighter and fast as you ever need

[@backseatcovers]

Oh yesss, finally this!!!

[@johannesreichert5574]

Could not agree more with your verdict... my Panamera Gen 1 (Rev 2) GTS V8 is a very good 4 person luxury long distance sports car, whenever I get a replacement Panamera from the dealer (like the e-hybrid you tested), I am super happy to get back my own one asap (despite the optics - which grow on you over time). For me the latest generation Panamera suffers from no clear differentiation on drive train & experience & total weight - not emotional enough petrol car, which opens the door to consider the Taycan as real alternative.

[@darrenbradley1506]

That is only true of the e-hybrid version. the non-hybrid is no different than the original Panamera in that regard.

[@imBugra]

As someone who's cross-shopping between this and its Cayenne variant nowadays, I'd like to express a couple of misconsiderations about Porsche's pricing strategy. Both of the cars will have their highest trim levels. Most of the tech we all want is non-standard. However, with some Porsche background, these cars actually have all of the chassis-related as standard. That involves PASM, PTV Plus, and more. You'll basically pay for the core and building from thereon. I personally don't like having Comfort Access (or Keyless Entry) on my cars, I travel a lot, and I'm worried that the vehicle might get stolen at night. InnoDrive is a requirement for UK roads, but it doesn't mean anything to most EU and US customers. Sports Exhaust is cool, but you can go for Techart or Cargraphic to get enhanced sound. Sunroof is good, but it makes it heavier. You can get Lightweight Sports Package. All in all, it's obviously pricey because there is Porsche Tax. It's not a cheap one, but it definitely feels better after my S Class and those BMW Ms with imbalanced engines and gearboxes.

[@timgibbs4762]

Looking forward to you testing a well equipped first gen Panamera. They can be purchased for minimal $ or £ and are the best value you can get in a used luxury car.

[@JacobtheSaw]

Sunday On 🔥🔥☕

[@Birmingham_racing]

Really love the looks but hybrids add too much weight

[@jayjohnson3732]

From what I have read the GTS is much better as a drivers car. Far lighter without the hybrid hardware.

[@hexgraphica]

I wonder if one can fit MR2 headlights on a panamera

[@ToreHansen]

Very cool video with the long name game!

[@jeebus2121]

I appreciate the Oliver Reed joke near the end.

[@diluxe]

Hoping you get your hands on a taycan sport turismo to review soon

[@leemace9638]

Any chance of reviewing more classics I’ve always been a fan of the senator see how it compares to cars today 👍🇦🇺

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Great stuff Jay - Nothing like a good Panamero ;-)

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Indeed ;)

[@ranjanaluwihare1511]

Oliver Reed the amateur of drinking comparison, brilliant! 🙏🤣

[@CarsofGlasgow]

Great video, love the paint

[@fteoOpty64]

How fast ?. Blimey!. A 700Hp Porsche is bloody fast even without the shoulder shove. I was told the e-Drive bits on this car is the same as the one in the Porsche 918 SuperCar.

[@koolkeiths]

Get a 18'-19' S/T Turbo for $100K while you can....Obvious, future classic, fully deprecated...will Gallup UP IN VALUE soon nuff!

[@spiderjerusalem8284]

Not the biggest fan of the Panamera... it´s a really awesome car and possibly the fastest station wagon / Shooting Break in the market, but my heart belongs to the RS6.

[@markgoogle6973]

did you sell the Porsche turbo s 944

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Not yet

[@lolakyle8]

Taycan also have the Sport Turismo version, so, yeah, Taycan!

[@Blanc777]

Yeah, this. Taycan Cross Turismo is better looking and I wouldn’t buy a Panamera for the engine note, so why not go electric.

[@napalmhotdog4365]

@@Blanc777 my dad owns a Taycan Turbo S. it’s the most impressive car he’s ever had, and he’s a very serious driver (VLN on the nordschleife) and he’s loves His taycan. However, he’s getting rid of it. Solely because of the range, it just doesn’t work in the UK. Too many taken or broken charging stations and not enough range in between. And guess what he’s got coming in November to replace it? A non-hybrid panamera turbo s wagon

[@darrenbradley1506]

Taycan is much smaller for interior room. And poor range. Their exterior looks mean everyone compares them but they are really quite different.

[@spengargon36]

You are the only receiver I’ve ever seen complain about the 911 handling!

[@jfletcher1029]

Is that engine light meant to be on?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Yes they are on until you start the car - confirms the warning is working!

[@insayn7995]

The regular turbo or the GTS would probably make a lot more sense since they weigh less and are quite a lot cheaper. Taycan is great but the range is just abysmal.

[@Marcke-tb1hb]

Hilarious. Having to press a button to get 100% power for an overtake 😂 In my day, that was called the accelerator pedal

[@nanusiri9189]

13:10 Porsche making notes on how to improve 4th quarter income

[@Rob_2]

Thank you for review. But I still want to buy one 😍😍😍

[@SDK2006b]

The Pana Turbo has been by dream daily for years. The Taycan Cross Turismo has replaced it recently

[@jfletcher1029]

Even its mother couldn’t love the look of the first gen panamera

[@WhataTry]

A rubbish over negative review I drive a Panamera Tourismo 2.9 hybrid It is spectacular

[@drpdrp5690]

Would be interesting to see test/your thoughs of Panamera 4S Diesel, if that V8 diesel ruins a Porsche

[@sp00ky1969]

Those massive pillars seem to be in all cars these days, apparently in the name of safety to protect you if you have a crash, which is far more likely to happen because you cannot see a damn thing.

[@eze8970]

Another fast but flawed panzer then. Still, gives those with the budget more choice. I do struggle though why 700HP is required on any road, apart from competing against rivals. Perhaps a lower agreed HP limit, but more mpg/range maybe a better compromise between manufacturers?

[@djdrastic1]

At the rate they're going at it were gonna have 1200 hp station wagons on the showroom floor. As you say utterly pointless and you can go to prison for a long time by just accidentally hitting the loudpedal for 5-10 seconds too long.

[@ThatRosco458]

I wish they made a smaller, Macan sized Sport Turismo wagon too. Would be a lot easier to love and even justify as a purchase, and better dynamically. But this is 5" longer than a Cayenne....just too damn big

[@aaronmuir8082]

Jay, your recommendations for a 4 door luxury sports/super car on this video would have been significantly different if you had remembered that they made a 4 door in Gaydon! The only 4 door that is a 2 door coupe with 2 extra doors and seats rather than any of this shooting brake/sport back nonsense from Stuttgart and Maranello.

[@darrenbradley1506]

He does mention the Rapide several times, if I recall. I've driven several of those, too, and love them as long as I get to sit in the driver's seat. If you've ever tried to squeeze in the rear of one of those, you'd know they are not suitable for more than occasional use and don't compare. And I'm telling you this as an Aston owner and AMOC member.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Yes I am sure I mention the Rapide

[@aaronmuir8082]

@@darrenbradley1506 James mentions about the GT4C Lusso and the FF multiple times but not the Rapide. Yes agreed the rear occupant space is not as big as the Porsche, but if it wanted that kind of space the design of the car would’ve been compromised and it would not look like the rest of the beautiful Astons from that era. The rear space in the Rapide really is a first world problem and I have no idea why people complain so much. It’s beautiful in the back, so much more sense of occasion and drama in the rear seat compared to most cars on the market. Especially Compared to any other VH Aston or 2+2 car of that ilk from Italy and Germany it is the perfect solution. No other manufacturer has retained their beautiful sports car recipe book and combined practicality with two extra full seats and two extra doors. The panamera is not a 4 door 911, the Lusso and FF are not 4 seat 458s or the like from Ferrari. They certainly don’t look anything as good as their siblings. The Maserati Gran Turismo is the closest but again only has 2 doors. Aston pulled it off and the result is spectacular.

[@R-Tap]

Quite simply, Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo is my Euromillions win daily. Damn, forgot Bentley Flying Spur. Sure, I'll have both.

[@nigeldeforrest-pearce8084]

Fascinating!!!

[@philcliffe6909]

I wonder whether a manufacturer will ever produce a car that pleases everyone.

[@th3b0untyhunter]

You've reviewed the wrong car. Pick of the bunch is either the Panamera GTS (great but down on power) or the facelifted Turbo S (without hybrid) Now it's not your fault, it seems Porsche simply want to push the hybrid and don't have an example of the non hybrid Turbo S on the press fleet (or rarely offer it) With 631ps and around 250kg odd lighter than the e-hybrid the Turbo S actually has a virtually identical power to weight ratio but with 250kg less to carry around its much more dynamic. Nice review mind you, although you appear to have copied Harry Metcalfes traditional opening frame for frame.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Harry's opening usually starts from behind the car, mine is in front...

[@darrenbradley1506]

Agree he picked the wrong car to review. And this is infuriating because so many car reviews on KZbin do comparisons of the FF / Lusso, RS6, AMG GT, etc against the HYBRID model of this car, and they all complain about the weight and lack of dynamic feel, etc. Of course, it's an apples to oranges comparison and the non-hybrid version stacks up much more favorably against these competitors. Agree this is Porsche's fault with their press cars, but it's annoying that nearly every review has the narrative: "The Panamera is big, fast, and comfortable, but too heavy and not as sporty or fun to drive as its rivals..."

[@marcdavis2840]

Rear 3/4 angle looks a bit Subaru Wagon to me 😉I would buy a 5 year old XFR -S wagon if I was in the market for a high performance 'sportbrake'

[@ToreHansen]

But the doors are standard?

[@Леликиболик-щ1л]

lovet it

[@riccccccardo]

Porche *not standard* surprised you get wheels standard with it lol

[@TML34]

Not enough warning bongs. No sale! 😀

[@lefuedebout]

This car as seen here costs 160,000! Time was when that money would buy you a 3-bed house with a front and back garden! Worlds gone gaga!

[@adogmcdizzle]

Things cost more than they used to

[@brianiswrong]

In my mind and wallet,£160'000 should buy me my dream 4 bed detached, separate double garage with field views from the rear bedrooms. 🤔😭

[@lefuedebout]

@@brianiswrong I hear you, Bryan, but those garages are going to push the price to 175,000. Well worth the extra 15K in my view! :-)

[@zulusmith]

Absolutely beautiful car. I wish I could afford it.

[@WhiteMouse77]

Actor and racing driver Paul Newman had Volvo V70 with swapped V8 from Mustang including manual gbox.........it's what I call wonder wagon....