Ultimate SMELTER DESIGNS for Late Game | #26 | Dyson Sphere Program

[@padreigh]

Should add "Masterclass" to the video title for recovery purposes - nice planet you build on ;)

[@shadowhenge7118]

Yes! This is why i became a patron. Thank you so much for doing this. My suggestion would be to do ratio'd matrix builds, too. One challenge of the game is the back and forth scaling. Having discreet modules that scale properly could help with that.

[@riothamus84]

I'm so glad you posted the Blueprints! I've taken a break from my own playthrough because I didn't want to go through the ramp up to late game things again. but now I'm ready to expand my universe!

[@WolfPlaysGames2]

You should point out that players can upgrade/downgrade blueprints before they are built. It's great for mid-game when you don't have all the max-tier buildings but want to use late-game blueprints.

[@MrGoodGord]

How do you do that?

[@WolfPlaysGames2]

​@@MrGoodGord Once the blueprint is placed, the upgrade button will work on the build holograms. For instance, if you place a blueprint that has mk1 parts, but you only have mk3 in your inventory, the hologram will be white. Just hit upgrade on the white hologram until it's mk3 and it will turn green and build. Downgrade work as well.

[@eatatjoe69]

@@WolfPlaysGames2 did not know that lol thanks

[@Mentaloow]

@@WolfPlaysGames2 Wow that's amazing

[@deathaggrotheangrychef1016]

@@WolfPlaysGames2 I dont see this ability. When i stamp it down it just auto builds. no option to downgrade.

[@shahman76]

I’m in hospital due to Covid and right now this is my go to for my DSP fix. Bless you sir and now on with the effectiveness

[@kroysemaj]

Oof, sorry to hear that. Wishing you a speedy recovery. Spend your time resting dreaming up all the rad overbuilt Dyson Spheres you'll make when you get out. :)

[@Nilaus]

Sorry to hear that. Get well soon

[@nickllama5296]

Get well soon!

[@jimdiroffii]

Thanks for staying dedicated to DSP!

[@lewisleslie2821]

The absolute pinnacle of satisfaction and entertainment. Bless you Nilaus

[@achyutde13]

would love blueprints in order of things you would need in a new playthrough! like the starter main bus and oil xray cracking setup first

[@Hmuda]

This is my current design for smelting: www.dysonsphereblueprints.com/blueprints/perfectly-tileable-smelting-setup It tiles perfectly around all of the belts that can fit them. For a regular smelter setup I'm yet to find a more space-efficient way of arranging them.

[@brohvakiindova4452]

sexy but I guess it needs a bit rework with plane smelters?

[@kroysemaj]

This is great stuff. I play on GeForce Now because I'm in dire need of a PC upgrade and unfortunately I can't just drop the paste bin text files into my game because it's on a virtual machine. Luckily I can save blueprints I build myself so all I have to do is replicate them on my own and save them. I really appreciate the time you take to show each build. It'll make recreating them a lot easier. Cheers!

[@spc-tr]

These masterclasses are amazing. Keep up the great work

[@pietervanmuysen7441]

Awesome tutorial. My 2c on the steel and other double smelting builds: the iron ore line can be put inbetween iron and steel smelters for an even more compact design.

[@brohvakiindova4452]

good idea! on the other hand if you want to build around the ILS footprint like nilaus does, you don't have to do that as long as you can stack the same amount of ILS in one row (like here 3) it doesn't help your design more than saving 10 pieces of belt or something I'd say for maximum space efficiency (there are huge gaps in his designs here) you could go with 2 ILS instead of 3 and squeeze in another 2 rows of smelters probably but then it's not going to be nice and symmetrical I guess In this case I kind of like the breathing room it makes it look extremely tidy and organized and I think with the plane smelters you're going to get very far not utilizing every inch anyway

[@Rdlprmpf12]

You can increase the efficiency for magnets if you make mixed columns: Use the outer rows for iron (or something else) and only the inner ones for magnets. Then you can use the empty space between the central power poles to place 5 extra smelters. So at least half of the belts used for magnets are fully used.

[@stevenape377]

Random idea I'm proud of: I made a really pretty design for a deuterium fractionation plant on one of the poles. It generates about 60/s deuterium with no fuss. I put pairs of fractionators that face each other in a ring around the pole, and another slightly smaller such ring a little further in. 6 satellite substations in between the rings power the entire thing. (I normally mostly use Tesla towers, but the substations work out really well here.) Two belts on the main meridians carry hydrogen from the ILS at the pole; it gets added to the rings using 2 times 4 splitters. On the other two main meridians raised belts carry back the deuterium. By raising the four in/out spokes and using hi-low splitters, the circular belts can easily pass below the spokes.

[@brohvakiindova4452]

sounds nice I'd like to see it :)

[@stevenape377]

@@brohvakiindova4452 I discovered the hard way that youtube won't let me post links :( I'll try to find a way to share my screenshots.

[@gregvw123]

Damn it Nilaus! This is so much better that what I built. Now I have to go back and redesign!!! Thank you for your video.

[@supaTortoise]

Always a helpful video from Nilaus

[@NuriTANRIKUT]

I'm gonna be the one with OCD then. At 7:09 power pole is one tile off.

[@m0nsterbeats]

Oh man... proliferators... stacking tech... how the times have changed! Loving dsp right now - you should do a galactic scale playthrough and just go all out. I want to know if my computer is the only one that struggles. Also, we could do multiplayer!! Lets do a Nebula playthrough!!!! Comeon it'll be fun.

[@Vashtstamped]

Nilaus, took your jump start base and broke it into 12 different pieces so it fixes the 60 limit on the first blueprint research. Might want to cover some early game blue print limits and how to get around them.

[@andreipimenau7232]

You could try complex factories in one build. Like get iron, copper, silicon etc -> chips. And having number of needed productions you could create one huge planet blueprint so that you just go to new system and deploy ready production planet. Just copy-pasting systems as result

[@CB-lh8gw]

Some may not know this yet but once you've laid a blueprint and it's all white because you don't have an item yet you can use the upgrade/downgrade function to lower the tier of various facilities before it's even been built...probably wouldn't work if you haven't unlocked the higher tier facilities yet but it's not particularly difficult to make your own BP based off of something you've seen before...

[@cripto130]

i would love to see a video on how to do mass crafting/assembly on late game items or like the chemical plants and other similar systems including antimatter fuel rods

[@Rogerfoulger]

Great video looking forward the continuation of your world now that Blue Prints are now up and running

[@blakebright7287]

I don't know man, that looks green to me. Love your videos Nilaus.

[@lirg03]

For magnets with MK2 smelters, 23 of them fit nicely in 2 grids in the band directly adjacent to the tropical band. They will give you 30 per second magnets.

[@darrell1766]

I decided to scale up science by dedicating an entire solar system for each color/tech (blue and red are together because, well, reasons...). So far, it's working well. How about a master class on scaling science? Would love to see the Nilaus spin on how to scale up science.

[@IMajor66]

@Nilaus Thanks for all you work on dsp, love your accumulators design . I don't see any advantage with MK3 smelters. They are expensive to build and all they do is save space. they take 4 x Power of an arc smelter and only double output. Smelter planets have plenty of space so what's the gain of using them ?

[@stevenape377]

Wonderful video! I want a masterclass on how to decide what to build on which planet. For example, if I build my dyson sphere around an O type star, do I export the critical photons to my home planet and make antimatter fuel rods there, or do I build that stuff on my dyson sphere world? Do I build titanium alloy on the world with the sulphuric acid ocean, or do I just import the sulphuric acid? Do I export crude oil from an oil-rich world or do I do some refining there, and if so, how do I deal with the hydrogen? Do I have to keep track of what I build locally, in order to decide which ILSs to provide with vessels, or is it better to have an import/export hub and make all production use only local shipping?

[@willb5278]

I mean, part of that is a playstyle choice, but if it was me... Id track the inputs and outputs and try to minimize the number of vessels I need. So if the ore is 2:1 or more for plates? Smelt on site and ship plates. If you have 3 ingredients for a 4 ingredient recipe locally, ship in the missing one and ship out the output. That kind of thing. Of course, if you have to ship power because the mines don't have enough infrastructure to run the smelters or whatever then you have other stuff to consider.

[@0x0404]

I was wondering if those upgraded smelters were worth it but I guess that answered it pretty quick.

[@brohvakiindova4452]

once power is basically free or at least very cheap (mini sun, energy exchangers) it's basically a no brainer

[@jbf81tb]

I'm not positive they would fit, but could you power each row with two or three Satellite Substations down the middle? Perhaps you are sticking with the normal tesla towers so all the builds can remain consistent under similar constraints, or maybe because 10 teslas are way cheaper than two substations, but I think it would look cleaner in these builds.

[@jgischer]

I was wondering the same thing. However, Substations drain power as well as being more expensive to build. Since you can put in the teslas with copy/paste or blueprints, there isn't really a downside to them. Also, I seem to recall Nilaus doesn't like how they look. But if you like them, put them in, by all means.

[@sonalita_]

Yes you could, but some people like myself absolutely detest the look of the substations, especially from space. Normal power poles look so much nicer imho, but each to their own :)

[@Nilaus]

I did that originally, but I changed them to normal power poles. I think it looked better (and is a lot cheaper) with normal power poles

[@kennethshores8547]

@@Nilaus For the steel design I managed get 3 full 30 deep four rows wide. It's the same build I use for silicone and titanium but to achieve that I had to use the satellites couldn't make it work with a power pole didn't have enough room to allow it if you're interested in looking at my design I can try to figure out how to copy paste it to you

[@stevenape377]

@@sonalita_ ​I think they should give the substations the additional functionality of lighting an area (perhaps at a higher power consumption), so you could work more conveniently in the dark and highlight cool structures :)

[@UncleMilosSideshow]

You know that, now that you have said you don’t want to use a yellow color, that patrons will only request that color from now on right?

[@gustavenk]

How do you ship the ore in and the product out? Do you have vessels and drones in the ILS to fetch the ores? If so, how do you avoid them getting used to ship out the final product as well, which could end up with the smelters getting starved of raw material?

[@brandonholloway7072]

I like the tennis ball look.

[@dionysuscool]

Hey this thing that just came out yesterday..yea i'm doing a master class on it

[@tuqann]

With a slight modification the steel BP can an excellent build for blue motors with factories if you put the power poles between them and the smelters for the exact same space usage (bring in iron ore, green motors and e.graphite). Copper coils as well, any product that needs two smelted items plus a middle component to produce end product. PS: can we get the same bps with regular smelters for those who play the midgame but still like to scale?

[@tuqann]

But you get less units per stamp on account of factories being fat bois

[@ryanfried7162]

Thank you for all the work you do. I love your videos.

[@jerimyomary481]

just out of curiosity for builds such as these, do you first extract all resources from your smelting/component planets or just pick one sacrificial planet and pave over the veins?

[@CB-lh8gw]

Nilaus dunno if you just don't use them much but it'd be pretty cool if you added a 100 warper demand to your blueprints, I just laid down just about an entire planet's worth of BP's to see what it would do to my Prod/Cons page and it took me ages to add the warpers when I noticed lol. I also have a polar artificial star hub producing 5.5GW and it absolutely crashed from the power consumption lol that was interesting to watch

[@CB-lh8gw]

Oh and great video dude! You're one of the few people frequently mentioned in the Steam discussions lol

[@russellmurphy1]

Are we still in the Sabatron System? If so, which planet is your smelting planet (this one)? Sorry if I missed your telling us earlier. Also, when you were demonstrating the build of the blueprint including the Solar Panels (for alignment), how did you get it to build? When I tried I just got an error message and it wouldn't stamp down. Is there a setting I've missed or something that allows you to override it?

[@IamAcerbus]

How do you change the colour of the ground for planning? Drives me mad trying to find out how, I'm desperate!

[@mikeanderson1722]

You'll find the coloring options on the foundations menu (hot key 9), next to the option to cover resource deposits.

[@sonalita_]

@Nilaus These are amazing!!! I have two questions though, if I may... 1) In your original smelting designs video you had two belts coming straight out of the middle ports, now you kink them by 1 - why is that? just to get the power poles in? 2) Why have you switched to energy exchangers/solar panels instead of suns? (and you 're also mixing solar and exchangers but are not using you load balancing design now)?

[@padreigh]

The kinking is needed to fit 15 smelters into the 1/20th of the planets circumference. If you sacrifice 1 smelter you would no langer consume a full belt but could build it a bit tighter and by not kinking and placing in line with the planetary stations - but he has enough place to use 15 with kinking and still gets 3 builds per horizontal section.

[@bokumetsu]

Any blueprints for assembly? :D This is awesome! I made my own but it can prob be improved

[@Tennouseijin]

I like how you wrapped the episode by wrapping the planet with a smelter belt. Oh the irony... of smelting thousands of iron ingots per second.

[@FuturPlanet]

Wouldnt Mk.II Sorters be enough?

[@ragnork61]

I have been using DSP blueprints for a while and I have noticed that, oftentimes, even though the inserters are in a bp, they fail to place a ghost when I stamp it down. I've tried everything and I'm about to give up on BPs for DSP. Any help would be appreciated.

[@Vortex-Gamin]

Really great work. Ty

[@septim08]

20 parts, what is the final distribution of resources?

[@molnarlevente7309]

Now I need to redo my smelting planet to look like this.

[@Vashtstamped]

Late game i use the satellite power poles , only take 2 to power that.

[@christiangunther7128]

Love the series and have been slowly building along using the same seed... random unrelated question: is there a point to using faster sorters when a slow one is enough to keep up with the throughput? Isn't it wasting power to use the faster ones? Or am I overlooking something here?

[@DoctorWhom]

Using the slower inserters means you're needing to keep another part in stock

[@koomber777]

What about reinforced titanium?

[@marcoherlaar5518]

thanks for all the Blueprints love tham. i nead the mall blueprint pleas XD

[@delroyclarke1989]

love the episode, keep it up :D

[@kubabuff3727]

You can do masterclass for dyson sphere rockets, that would be awesome

[@CB-lh8gw]

7:06 totally one square off but okay... lol

[@Nortonius_]

Forgeworld Nilaus 2.0! ⚒

[@davetheblade]

Is there a feature with the Blueprints that allow you to still build even if there's stuff in the way, like in Factorio?

[@AlphaScope62]

No. Not yet at least.

[@DoctorWhom]

Hi, its 3 months in the future and the answer appears to still be no.

[@Loop0001rath]

oh that's lovely that is.

[@280chan]

Next episode, The advance formula factories

[@EvilNecroid]

u put a power pole wrong in the 1st build :p

[@ziiofswe]

That one misplaced power pole though....

[@austinpowers7361]

How are you going to supply it with power? These smelters require much more power.

[@austinpowers7361]

@@toddkes5890 Why do I need these smelters mk2 if I need a second planet where I need to borrow power?

[@kakefisk]

@@austinpowers7361 Because the factory mu.. Whoops, i mean the Sphere must grow!

[@Nilaus]

Ray Receivers around the poles. With Lenses it can provide 10 GW (future video)

[@Vashtstamped]

I power mine with antimatter and suns or ray receivers if I have a dyson sphere in system.

[@austinpowers7361]

I used 80% of my planet surface and fps dropped to 40-45. I use only 3.5GW of power. More than 2GW from solar panels and the rest from suns. Less populated planets are fine. I guess there is no need to maximize one planet if I populated no more than 15 of them.

[@EvilNecroid]

can u make a blueprint of ur brain? i want it :p

[@terakahn]

14.4k/s of iron. Even for you that's massive scale. Damn.

[@algirdaskurmanskis4549]

Who is Blueprints? Is it mod or what is it?

[@tlheart]

last update from the developers part of the base game now.

[@K21040]

The concrete seems more green than yellow to me

[@Hawk7886]

Agreed, seems more like tennis ball green. The patron who picked it was definitely planning a prank.

[@travis6359]

These blueprints are no longer available.

[@EvilNecroid]

the world is more beautiful when its full of concrete lol

[@djmrky75]

Oh yeah, another one of these videos that make me wanna quit playing immediately when I see my spaghetti compared to this 😆

[@briancates3576]

14.4K iron per sec?? Yea I’d say that’s overkill lol. I’m producing less than half of that and I’m maintaining a research planet producing 10 full belts of white cubes

[@KSAW00]

early gang early gang