Ultimate TaylorMade Golf Irons Comparison of 2021

[@PNWLiving1725]

I played tommy armour 845s since highschool and in my time in the Navy. I gave my clubs I love so much to my son who is 13 and is now pretty darn good with them...I got some used Nike Slingshot 2006 tour metal shaft, then upgraded 😂 to Nike Slingshot OSS graphite... I played ok with them, but I'm not feeling natural like I do with my 845s. So I just ordered some Sim2 with graphite. I am praying this is where I can be happy again!!!

[@elliottsuett97]

Excellent example of why there are so many different irons in a company’s line up. Better players can benefit from spin, control and consistency whilst players who vary in their strike can still have a chance of getting a good result from a poor strike. Have Apex Pro 21s on the way (currently gaming Forged 919s) as my launch and spin was in a much better window and standard deviation was ridiculous! Keep up the good work guys - really enjoying your reviews and Road to PGA Championship content!

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for your input. We agree everyone's skill level is different and we are lucky there are so many options! - Thomas

[@Ready_Golf]

Full of information, I'm really glad I went with what irons I chose. They may take a consistent amount of practice to maintain but they feel so pure. Not sure I can game the MC yet.

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching. What irons did you end up getting fit into?

[@Ready_Golf]

I'm gaming the 790's . I upgraded from the prior generation. Honestly, I enjoyed the acoustics more from 2019. But these 21' editions are great with both, off center strikes and the one's that come out a bit thin. The feel is not lost, and performance has been enhanced. The 19's were a little more muted. These 21' 790's have a pop to them. But I've only had 2 rounds and a range session with them. I'm sure they will grow on me. Plus they are +.50 shaft length, rather than the +.75 shafts I played last season. Still an adjustment phase. I could feel a kick point with the longer shafts, now that's gone. Throws my timing off a little. I can feel the club head better in the takeaway.

[@JH-zn9tc]

Went with the Sim2 Max OS with the Ventus Blue 6 through 2nd Swing...now I love hitting my irons...thanks!

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for shopping with us. Love to hear that you are hitting your new irons well! - Thomas

[@06Trdrew11]

I work next door to this driving range. Also looking to buy a new set of clubs soon and this helps a lot. I still use the taylormade 300 irons (from 2001). Dont play much anymore and need more help these days. Looking at these Plus Mizuno MP20 MMC or JPX921, Ping G710 or the new Titleist rang 200/300. Thanks for your help

[@2ndswing]

I would take a look at the JPX921 HM, G425, or the T300 as the best options for you!

[@vidvivvid]

‘I don’t need that forgiveness!!!’ Best dispersion with Sim Max!!

[@TheDougBeck]

I notice he kept mentioning difference in spin on the OS, but numbers looked like a greater deviation was on the P790.

[@baloo82]

Great video as always! But I can`t help but feel like I want this exact test. But choosing an iron from every series that hits a choosen yardage, say 180yards. We now only know the distance a 7 iron go, id like to know if there is a differance in stopping power between a blade and the sim max os, hitting the yardage. If you need a 6i from a blade, but you can hit a 8i from Max OS, which one has the most stopping power then?

[@2ndswing]

Good question and suggestion. This is something that we have near the top of our list of videos to complete, stay tuned - Thomas

[@evannussbaum1863]

For me it came down to the t200 or the 790s or 770s. Went away from titleist just because of feel/aesthetics but during the fit, the 770 and 790 did the exact same thing with regards to spin and launch charictaristics as well as feel. Got the 790s as they are a bit longer for my 14 year old self and who couldn’t use more forgiveness. However, I find that the short irons are the ones that really explode off a good strike. (Pitching wedge has gone almost 150 on occasion). I think that is the Achilles heel of the 790

[@evannussbaum1863]

Also going to note that I recently tried a set of p7mcs in a dicks sporting goods and still carried the 7 160, which is only 5 yards short of normal. I’m sure if I were a better ball striker those would be awesome

[@isaachorten10]

Best video of all time

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching, Isaac! 😎

[@TomLuck]

Great video as always! Could I recommend doing a similar comparison but matching up the lofts more accurately like: p790 8 iron, p7mc 7 iron, sim2 max os 9 iron or something similar with the jpx 921 line?

[@2ndswing]

Hi Thomas. This is an interesting topic that has been suggested before. The fitting components we get from the manufacturers are always 7 irons. We could possibly source some clubs from our store to complete a similar test attempting to get the lofts the same but it won't be a perfect test. I personally would like to see what happens if say a SIM 2 Max had the same loft as a P7MB with the same length shaft. Stay tuned this is something I would like to see. - Thomas

[@StephenParsey]

@@2ndswingI’d like to see it with the same length shaft as you mentioned so you’re not having to say “but the 8 is 1/2” shorter so there’s 2-3 yards lost.” I think it would be good to see the dispersion “forgiveness” difference isolated that way.

[@ChristiannTyler]

So difficult to choose.. they vary in cost quite a bit a well. I’m seeing 500+ more dollars for the p790 vs the sim max I’ve been playing for a year I usually shoot 15 over my 7 iron is a consistent 170 yard 115-118 ball speed with some very cheap old Strata irons. I’m leaning toward the sim max in a stiff shaft but don’t want to grow out of them in a year.

[@JDSFLA]

I am a game improvement player (Callaway Mavrik), but if I were to pick a "players" model from these it would be the P770. They seem to offer a little more distance (than MB and MC), sufficient spin, combined with workability and some amount of forgiveness.

[@2ndswing]

P770 is a great option. A little more workability and consistency than P790 but still feels similar. - Thomas

[@stuartjames1971]

I have the P770’s on order but there’s a big delay here in the UK as the shafts are really hard to get hold of….. at least 3 months waiting time. Should have them at the end of October or the beginning of November. Next season will be awesome ⛳️😃👍🏻

[@2ndswing]

Hopefully they arrive soon for you! It has been a challenge for all manufacturers. - Thomas

[@Followthepath89]

I’ve got them but I purchased them last April you’ll not be disappointed 😎

[@Tonyliuqun]

Such a great video and benefits a lot! For a 15 handicapper, mid 40’s and want to improve m game, which one should I pick? Many thanks!!!

[@2ndswing]

Lot's of variables to consider which is why I don't like to rank clubs by handicap which is why it's important to do a fitting. I would start middle of the pack with P790 - Thomas

[@markk171]

It would be interesting to see this same test with Jackie...how do these same clubs perform at lower swing speeds? Do you still see advantages with say SIM 2 Max OS at slower speeds? Thanks guys!

[@2ndswing]

Love the suggestion. Added to our video list. - Thomas

[@martynmantack4026]

Just ordered p790s can’t wait

[@2ndswing]

You are going to love them. Great blend of forgiveness and workability. Enjoy! - Thomas

[@edwardbrown6245]

I personal like the p7 mc with 2 degrees up on loft and up 1 one standard

[@StephenParsey]

Kind of absurd that TaylorMade (and probably the others, too) call a range of 27-34 degrees the same number iron. I really think the USGA/R&A need to define a standard iron loft with flex of +/-1.5 or 2 degrees for strong, standard and helper lofts, while still remaining comparable over time for distances.

[@2ndswing]

Not a bad idea! Defiantly something that should be in the conversation! Thanks for watching Stephen!

[@northgolfer7786]

Great video! But I find that the data of Thomas’ swing is consistently different from that of his indoor swings; the spin is up (sometimes by 1000 rpm) and the launch is lower. Has Thomas done a swing change or it’s just a mat/grass and indoor/outdoor difference?

[@2ndswing]

Great question. Combination of a little swing change (going from a picker to taking some more turf) and hitting off grass versus a mat. One of the downsides of regularly hitting off a mat is that you will develop your swing to pick the ball rather than dig down into the turf. Picking the ball inside will lead to less spin, while having a steeper attack angle will cause more spin and more spin will lead to shorter distances. It will be interesting to see when we get back inside for testing to see the differences. - Thomas

[@northgolfer7786]

@@2ndswing very insightful information. Thanks! Thomas, You are among the best in the industry, and at the same time a tour caliber golfer! Keep it up.

[@georgyboi6969]

Would love to know if the lofts were the same would the p770 still be more powerful than the mc or mb Because if you combo, well I want that smooth transition of gapping. So if I make the lofts transition will I have that perfect 12-14yd gapping. Because without changing lofts then the gap atm would seem to be 14-18yd if i go from mc to p770 if lofts aren't adjusted..

[@PkPerry15]

I’ve pre order a split set of 770 and 790. Because they are forged face they can bend the irons to suit loft differences. So my 4 and 5 iron of the 790 are both 1.5 degrees weaker to compensate

[@2ndswing]

This is a great comparison that we have on the list of videos to complete. I would assume a P770 at the same loft of a MB would go further due to the design of the head, but the biggest influence on distance and spin is the loft of the club. The ball may actually fly very different with an iron that has been bent but has different GC properties. I agree with Perry on a couple degrees weaker to compensate in his situation. - Thomas

[@georgyboi6969]

@@2ndswing If you did a video where you hit mb, mc & p770 at std specs Then bent them all to same loft. To see what would happen. I guess I understand CG location affects flight and trajectory, but for years now companies talk about thinner/faster faces and now with speed foam. So do they actually make any difference in ball speed and distance, or is it 100% CG location and loft which dictates distances.. Because if so, we could all just play the Mc and get the same distances. Only thing we lose is forgiveness, and maybe, a tiny tiny amount of launch which again affects spin rates but once more it's allabout loft and CG and the whole faster faces and speed foam ideas, well are we all just being stooged..? And CG is just dictating spin rates and the extra distance is coming from CG location. Id like for it to be CG and speed faces/foam. But so far I've never really seen a video on KZbin which makes me believe otherwise.. because im sure if you grabbed a 6iron MB and a 7iron p790 they would go just about the same distance.. soo once again it's all CG and loft and no speedfoam benefit.. I guess I'm just confused if thin faces and speed foams actually work or if it's just a gimme.. Cause if it worked, why don't Mizuno do it?? Leaders in irons. Titleist don't. Callaway don't. Cobra don't. Ping don't. Only them and PXG and the tech has been out long enough for other to mimic it if it worked..

[@PbD187]

I currently game the original P790 in 5-7 irons and original P770 in 8-pw. I bent the 770s one degree strong and have had zero gaping issues.

[@georgyboi6969]

@@PbD187 that would still be a 36 vs 30.5. Sorry buddy but 5.5° of loft difference doesn't add up to 10metres of carry difference. My 2012 mizuno CB mp54 have a 3-5? Carry difference from the current p770. Both I had 7iron at 33° . And my current question is blade/CB vs hollow body p770 Not hollow body to hollow body p770 vs p790

[@NickOnPar]

I’ve been playing sims for the last year and love them, but would like more workability and feel. Dropped my handicap from a 22 to 14 in the last 90 days. What do you think will drive the decision between P790 and P770 for me?

[@dsc-nr5zy]

Feel. Hit them both. You might not like the jumpy springy face, and in that case, check the MC model instead...

[@2ndswing]

Workability, distance, spin and dispersion. P790 will still go the distances like your SIMS and the P770 would be a little more workable but distance will drop. - Thomas

[@razerfish]

I'd like more tests with oversize clubs. I'm on the fence with them. I like the idea of a bigger clubhead, though I can see how it can be unnecessary and problematic in certain situations and lies. I'm a pretty good ball striker but still would consider a bigger clubhead, just as I prefer a more forgiving club. Not sure why any player wouldn't.

[@2ndswing]

I agree. Why make this game harder than it needs to be. There are still too many amateur's that are playing blades. - Thomas

[@coreytingle3497]

Back in the day they didn’t have all this “fancy technology” all there was were blades. It forces you to get better and strike more consistently in the center of the face

[@gedertr]

After seeing Thomas drop the club a couple of times in frustration, I think we need a blooper reel at some point…there has to be some blooper footage laying on the cutting room floor, right?!

[@2ndswing]

It's a bad habit if only I wasn't such a perfectionist! We have actually discussed this video idea. I know our team is holding onto all that blooper footage they may just surprise me. - Thomas

[@alexchavez1418]

My question is why are the “most forgiving irons” the sim2 irons, the ones who had the worst consistency than any of the other irons? I thought they were designed to be forgiving

[@2ndswing]

Any time the ball travels further the consistency will be larger - Thomas

[@rufussthoo4083]

I currently play the Taylormade PSi Tours and have been umming and arring between the P770 and P7MC but now I'm also oohhing over the Titelist T100s while I really want to play Mizuno MB20s but I have a Costco budget. God I hate golf LOL

[@2ndswing]

I would consider the T100S and P770 a very close match. P7MC are a little more players club and will spin more. - Thomas

[@rufussthoo4083]

@@2ndswing Thanks Thomas. Like you I have a fairly 'shallow' AoA at around -2.6 with my 7i but I don't have your speed (my on-course 7i chs is 86 mph) so I don't generate as much spin or height (or distance). So I need more spin AND more distance. Do any of these clubs come with a secret turbo button?

[@dannmetal6459]

Awesome stuff

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching! What irons do you play? - Thomas

[@sherlockholmes60]

This was my first summer playing and I've absolutely been bitten by the golf bug. I've decided to invest in a good set of clubs and have a $2000 budget for my irons. Would you recommend buying a set of the p790's and growing my game into them, or would I be better off starting with the Sims and working my way up? I live in Minneapolis and will be coming in to be fit by you guys but just trying to do some research. I currently have Sim max driver and MG3 wedges.

[@Kylez1212]

Get the sim2 Max in my opinion. You can grow into those. The p790 is really a players distance iron and is not as easy to hit as the sim2 Max you will enjoy the game more with the ease of launch with the sim. Trust me

[@2ndswing]

I agree with Kyle. While it's great that you have the budget to play the more expensive irons I would opt for the more forgiving option and invest $ into lessons & range sessions. You can always trade the irons in and upgrade when your game is on par for irons such as the p790's. - Thomas

[@jangrnkjrpedersen3214]

Why not bend them to the same loft?

[@2ndswing]

The SIM2 is not designed to play with a lot more loft, while the the P7MB isn't designed to play with a lot less loft. However this is a great content idea and we plan on shooting a video comparing the same loft but different head design to see what happens - Thomas

[@brianlawrence5935]

Good presentation, maybe ping next

[@2ndswing]

We'll add that to the list!

[@PbD187]

I'm sad the original P770s are no more. I tried the new P770s and did not like them. I didn't try the P7MC so maybe they would be closer to my current gamers.

[@2ndswing]

Kyle do you mean the P760's? They were some solid irons. P770's are slightly more forgiving and explosive, especially in the longer irons. The P7MC would be worth a look! - Thomas

[@PbD187]

@@2ndswing No I game the original P770s that came out around 2017. I get that the new P770s are constructed totally different from the original model but I combo P790 in my long irons so I thought trying the new 770s would make sense. For whatever reason the turf interaction was inconsistent for me and dispersion was not as good.

[@ericzellershow]

P770s all day everyday!

[@danmackey9462]

I love the comparison but my suggestion would be instead of just blasting a bunch at a random map why not aim at a green or a flag or any specific point and see how close of a group to the flag you can get. You seem to get excited about hitting left that boggles me I'd rather see how good of a shot you can do towards a green not just can you pull it left.

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for the feedback, Dan! Appreciate you watching our channel!

[@rufussthoo4083]

Thomas will need to get used to loud distracting music if he is going play in the European Ryder Cup Team ;-)

[@2ndswing]

It's going to have to be the presidents cup that I can play in, being from New Zealand, but that would also be pretty cool - Thomas

[@rufussthoo4083]

@@2ndswing NZ Thomas? I didn't know that. Yes the PC would be pretty cool. Being from (and still in) Australia, we could play together. Now, if only I could break 80 .... LOL

[@intel3237]

👍

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for watching! - Thomas

[@rayb12]

I think your problem is you try to hit the thing to hard rather than having natural speed. Your tempo is waaaaay off.

[@2ndswing]

Thanks for the feedback. I have always had a slightly faster tempo and is one of the things I work on regularly - Thomas

[@rayb12]

@@2ndswing you have a great swing and take away though.

[@2ndswing]

@@rayb12 Thanks! It gets the job done a lot of the times - Thomas