Ultimate TCG Tier List (2024)

[@GatheringGames]

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[@dannyflores4912]

Digimon is the only TCG i have gone to locals just to play, and man its so fun, and the people that play it are so chill and excited to see players joining.

[@jsrenatus4770]

Is it pretty fun? I've been wanting to get into it. I loved Digimon as a kid, and I just recently played their mobile app tutorial and I was amazed by it's uniqueness and was curious how it hasn't gotten more popular.

[@dannyflores4912]

@@jsrenatus4770 it’s is, I honestly recommend it. I’ve been going to locals for 3 months straight and made new friend. I will say idk if you play other TCGs but some people do stink

[@UnknowUser7193]

​@@jsrenatus4770 acabou de lançar 2 starters deck e uma coleção, ex7, q são extremamente divertidos

[@Tillallare1]

@@jsrenatus4770I personally also think the Digimon card game is great! Very fun!

[@SDseb]

Digimon in general has been so underrated.

[@traxonsundays]

I played MTG competetively for 14 years. Traveled the world to play at GP's and local stores abroad. When they started choking our wallets instead of making the game fun was when it started to fall down. I remember the early 2000's when a GP was a "magic"al experience. It felt like a one day nerdy indoor amusement park, and the price was reasonable. 30$ entry per person for a 2 headed sealed pool and both players got a playmat and dice on top of it. But the last Legacy GP I played, I brought a 2500$ deck myself and still had to pay 50$ entry which only gave me a playmat. Limited GP's at that time were iirc well above 70$ entry. If you hand that money back to your winners that's fine to me, but first place at GP only got 5000$. So with 2000 players attending, which was quite normal for a GP, out of 100k$ from entry alone, only a thin slice was handed back to the players. And they cut back on Pro Tours and other stuff too... I still attended some Legacy GP's, funny enough at 50$ these were the most affordable because limited was jacked up high too, but when they announced no more Legacy GP's I said peace out. Recently my son and I started playing Pokemon, and the limited does suck in comparision to MTG for sure, but a) The game is dirt cheap to play b) There are literally dozens of archetypes you can play and take down any tournament with c) The prizing at these big tournaments are actually good (And will be better even starting next season) d) Being an ex-mtg legacy player myself, I love to draw cards, combo etc... And decks in Pokemon tend to have lots of card drawing, synergies and little combos to try and win. e) Last but not least, you get the feeling they want you to enjoy their game. Not give them all your money. Surely they would love that too, but they don't make it as obvious as WoTC. I think Pokemon just get's the child treatment because that's where it started, but it's actually really good if you can see past that. And there's a reason it's worldwide the best selling tcg. (I am not sponsered btw lol)

[@demiurge2501]

MTG is my absolute favorite tcg to play but the constant exploitation is awful

[@TheWeaselBrain]

Isn't the Pokemon TCG owned by WoTC?

[@demiurge2501]

@@TheWeaselBrain they used to help with printing but it isnt owned by them

[@TheWeaselBrain]

@@demiurge2501 ah good to know

[@jovantamrin8384]

You should try FaB. It will fill up ur mtg thirst. I have only played mtg in the past as my tcg. FaB really is a GOOD game.

[@reimannsum9077]

Agreed on the placement of Flesh and Blood. It brought me back into TCGs after I abandoned the hobby in the late 90s when I "outgrew" Pokemon.

[@slotholopolis2314]

Same, the change from Pokemon to FaB was quite the shock lol. The skill ceiling change was insane

[@i_dis2446]

Sold my 90's Mtg. After a long pause I'm in to FaB. Love it ❤

[@lucasgp29]

Same here!!!

[@jaksu-4494]

FaB gave me that same feeling when I started Pokemon and MTG as a kid. Excellent game!

[@noahrolf]

Fab made me realize i had been in an abusive relationship with mtg since mh1. Sold out and never looked back (except to laugh at how glad i am to not be playing against Universes Beyond and Secret Lair in every format) Long live FaB. No other tcg comes close in terms of community, company, and room for skill expression.

[@PPsqueezer]

Digimon is hands down the most fun TCG I've ever played! The memory gauge is the most unique part of it and it's what prevents long combos like you are forced to sit through in Yu-Gi-Oh

[@thekillercub274]

I think digimon is pretty toxic

[@MannyGamboaTV]

⁠@@thekillercub274how so? Player base or gameplay?

[@metascrub285]

​@MannyGamboaTV honestly the gameplay is the most luck based and sacky tcg for me. Decks require alot of moving pieces, most gameplay feels unsafe unless you get to your decks top end. Most games seem to be decided on who gets a level 6 and if your opponent can counter with thier own level 6 or its gg. Removal also seems to be an auto lose at times from how much memory it takes to build a decent stack and again the pieces to rebuild if it gets removed.

[@AndrewBelmont-]

@@MannyGamboaTV Figures that guy couldn't answer a simple question you asked. Anytime when I genuinely want to have a discussion like an adult with a person who doesn't like something (can be anything) or labels stuff as "toxic", they always disappear into the wind because they have no real argument to support their claims other than their own say so with zero evidence.

[@brycemiller831]

As someone who plays very competitively, I couldn’t agree more. That said, I do like Lilith looping because I’m a sicko

[@victorcarvalho3367]

We Digimon TCG players are here, even tho we are few

[@solantir3787]

Digi who?

[@Tillallare1]

I’m here!

[@chrispetersen6727]

The game is too fun. I can’t stay away from it for long.

[@FHRiley-yk9by]

@@chrispetersen6727 well they're gonna do you a favor when they shut the game down in 2 or 3 years

[@chrispetersen6727]

@@FHRiley-yk9by Lol they've been saying "the end is near" since set 9. If Cardfight Vanguard and Weiss Schwartz can survive this long, Digimon will be just fine.

[@Dazron]

Nearly didn’t watch at all because FaB wasn’t there. In case that’s you, they add it later

[@ThePro921]

😮 25:22 k😮j

[@ThePro921]

😮😮

[@Vexclasstwentyeight]

nobody else like its at 69

[@Dazron]

Incorrect

[@MrKikochan]

Trash tcg, the too expensive equipment just breaks it

[@fairytailluna4524]

Digimon TCG now is what yugioh used to be for me when I was a child.

[@jermy8824]

same

[@joeyrivers9802]

As a Yu-Gi-Oh player I agree that playing rogue or casual makes the game a hell of a lot more fun. A lot of people at my locals think the same way which is a breath of fresh air. You’ll always get the people that play meta and there’s nothing wrong with that but if it’s the only thing you end up facing the game immediately becomes stale and not fun to play not to mention some card prices are unreasonable so I’d agree with the statements made.

[@britton-bucketheads]

Star Wars placement seems spot on. Both set 1 and set 2 are outstanding and if it keeps up at this pace it could easily be an S tier card game

[@BurnOneSVE]

Weiss schwarz is a competitive game and lots of fun. It does have some people who just collect cards because their favorite IP joins but outside of that the community for this game is thriving and has been on going for over 10 years now. It's worth learning and has some cool interesting mechanics that are not used in every tcg. If you ever need someone to help go over it with you let me know. I've competed at worlds and have won and topped tons of regionals for the game. Though I've been taking a break from it since the meta for the game right now is pretty horrible.

[@GatheringGames]

Awesome! It sounds like I really need to give it a shot. Your content looks great BTW! What's the current state of Shadowverse evolve? Looked really promising at set one, but honestly didn't follow so much after that.

[@BurnOneSVE]

@@GatheringGames I love the game and it has been my main physical game since set 1 release. It had a rough start due to the competitive circuit being an invite only for regional events but have since threw that system out for open events. The newest set has been one of the big turning point in the game for the english release. When the current set was released in Japan it was praised as the big turning point for the game as it found it's direction and brought out more unique and fun decks. SVE is a great game and worth trying out. It's probably one of the best times to get into the game imo as prices for singles right now are pretty affordable and they recently announced a tournament series that provides worlds invites. I believe you guys are in EU from what I can tell from your content, (legit just found you guys from this video) I'm not super familiar with the EU market for the game though.

[@NivMizzetFiremind]

WS new power focus has been nice but old sets I had a deep love for can't keep up anymore. for example now brainstorm draw is 5 cards seen, it used to just be 4. And a 1/1 2k back up is now 2.5k. This is so much better for the game but wow your old decks feel it. :(

[@BurnOneSVE]

@NivMizzetFiremind power creep in weiss is real especially when a new set is pushed hard it becomes very quickly apparent your older set has now become too weak to keep up sometimes. Especially with the focus of very deadly end game finishers lately.

[@NivMizzetFiremind]

@@BurnOneSVE yeah, chainsaw man really showed us how far they will go. And I play guilty gear, that Ram combo is two stock, 1 climax and 1 card in memory. It's shockingly good, makes all the cool stuff my old decks from 5-10 years ago look like starter decks. Hell most starter decks have over taken decks from then. Oh well, games still fun. I do recommend everyone to play it.

[@maesterjono]

Been on FAB since day one. Its the best TCG I’ve ever played

[@GatheringGames]

I'm jealous that I didn't start sooner!

[@Juvyss]

Vanguard was placed lower than like 3 other games that directly copied from it. You said Vanguard copied the Bandai TCG but if you look back its the other way around...

[@Flavor190]

It’s because of triggers everyone who doesn’t play thinks they make the game casual or easy. Unless you play you won’t understand the layer of complexity they add to the game

[@Juvyss]

@@Flavor190 you are saying that triggers make people not know that vanguard came out BEFORE bandai games? I think its just ignorance

[@boostaddict_]

As a pokemon player this is probably the first video like this I've seen where people have seen what I see in pokemon right now. The format is so diverse and every single set changes the meta. It's a ton of fun right now.

[@felipetomaz1087]

i think its the best and most accessible specially if you consider pokemon tcg live is f2p friendly

[@6seph9]

Fab is awesome What also makes it so good is that I can see it being alive 5~10 years from now, cant say that about licensed IP games, especially Bandai games(they have just "killed" their DBS masters games)

[@NivMizzetFiremind]

And look what they did these last 2 months. No other tcg has made a move to improve its self that much.

[@brycemiller831]

I compete heavily in the Digimon TCG. It’s great, we still get solid regional sizes, and the local scene for me at least is decent but not great. One of my favorite games I ever played. Current format is great, although a bit competitive skewed, as it’s hard to compete with rogue decks at the moment.

[@bolognagiri6443]

I’m curious, how big are digimon TCG regionals? Like, what is the average?

[@brycemiller831]

@@bolognagiri6443 it used to be capped around 500ish, and would meet that cap, now it’s capped at 300ish for some reason and meets that new cap. Nationals was like 1000. Part of the cap (I’m pretty sure) is Bandai fits multiple games into one event

[@aqilsani2909]

Loved magic but now flesh and blood is even more fun. Streamlined deck building system, dont really need all the good cards to be competing, cheap and expensive when it needs to be. Love the game

[@GatheringGames]

Agreed! I think the CC precons are a great step for accessibility too. If only they printed more of them...

[@dylan_sieren]

Flesh and Blood is very pog. It's an amazing game. Skillful, the company genuinely cares and engages with the community, the variance is at a point where skill values the player, but the variance is fun for new players, and the sets coming out are unique. A++ game.

[@GatheringGames]

It so hard to fault LSS. We've had some distribution issues here in the UK so I reached out to them and they actually responded to me and helped in redirecting me to a new supply chain they created for the issue. LSS have a lot of heart and care so much for their community.

[@tinomiranda7771]

Digimon has the best system I have played in a long time. I’ve played most of these and just like it the most when it comes to overall gameplay. If you haven’t tried it highly recommend.

[@AustinSacriste]

Hard to agree with the idea of lorcana not sticking around when they consistently sell out tournaments at the LGS and regional levels

[@tinynstrong]

You can tell they aren’t a part of the actual community

[@rupertpupkin7044]

Lorcana is in a great place compared to a year ago when it was sold out and over priced on the secondary market. over printing is needed for a new game to succeed and they clearly dont understand how it works. lorcana has massive events in Disney challenge which gives out serialized cards that sell for 20k+. lorcana will be around for a long time and these guys know nothing and are just hating for no reason

[@SeveNStarSeveN]

I like how you gave a really fair summary of Yugioh. It seems like the game is mostly blindly hated by people who just aren't into the complexity or blindly supported by the top pros who can't understand why someone would just want a chill game to play. When yugioh has a good format, it is THE BEST competitive TCG in my opinion (in terms of gameplay/skill not prizing), and when it is in a bad format, the casual experience becomes intolerable.

[@Gagunk.]

Hard disagree. Yugi was my only game for many years. There used to be a time when a refined understanding of the rules gave you an edge throughout tournaments, but it's quickly turned into niche moments where that's the case. Unstable power creep led the game to a position where cards win more games than players do. Actual gameplay is simply a test of memory. The best line is so obvious that it's almost screaming at you. Since I left and ventured out to new games, I've come across plenty of games more intellectually stimulating. One of them is One Piece, and my god, the prize support is millions of years ahead of Yugi, which is a legacy game. Just brutal.

[@SeveNStarSeveN]

@@Gagunk. I think calling Yugioh a test of memory kinda shows that you are either being bad faith or displays that you don't know what you are talking about. You can have your opinion or whatever, but stuff like Tear Zero or even post Tear Zero, when AGOV first got released had some of the most complex and interesting gameplay in a tcg that I have ever seen. If you go to a tournmanent having just memorized combos, you weren't going to win. Decks like Tear, Labrynth, and Unchained take the uptmost skill to pilot correcty. Yes, it depends on the format, but I think good yugioh formats have the most skill based gameplay a tcg has to offer. And I'm not really sure how you could disagree unless you have been misinformed about most games ending turn 1, or the game just being about memorizing combos. I think this is displayed the most when players make mistakes in navigating board states like the incident at the most recent YCS. As someone who has played One Piece, I think the game is very fun on a casual level and has better prize support tho.

[@Gagunk.]

@SeveNStarSeveN I haven't played since 2018. My opinion stems from experience spanning over a decade in the game. Any thoughts on the current meta are from the many complaints from local players that I'm still friends with that bring it up to vent. Needless to say, it has the highest turnover rate among card games for a reason. You might disagree with my take, but my opinions are the furthest from bad faith or ignorance. Throughout my time playing yugi, there have been decks that have been harder to pilot than others, but generally, the only people that made reference to how hard a particular deck is to pilot to the point of hyperbole like the post above, have been players that aren't very good at the game. Now, I'm not saying that it's not complicated for the players saying it is. Just that the degree of complexity is going to vary from person to person. One mans complicated is another mans simple. The first thing I noticed after leaving yugi for other games was the quality of players drastically improving. Good players from mtg, fab, db, op, lorcana, pokemon, etc, are way more likely to try and thrive in other card games. Most top yugi players ik have attempted to venture out into other games and very quickly realize they wanted to stay in their lane. If you're in the competitive scene and attend events, I can actually have you meet with several grinders with loads of ycs and national tops between them who all readily admit yugi is simpler than most games, but it's what they enjoy. I'd argue they enjoy winning more than the actual game, and yea, it's definitely not for the prize support 😆

[@SeveNStarSeveN]

@@Gagunk. Yugioh is more popular than it has been ever. We literally have record YCS Turnout, and Yeah sorry you are being bad faith. Nobody thinks Lorcana, Digimon, Pokemon, One Piece, etc is more complicated than Yugioh. Only magic is on a similar level. It is literally a meme like the person said in the video, "I'm not smart enough to play yugioh." I have played Yugioh, Pokemon, Magic for over a decade, and I've also played and tried One Piece, Cardfight Vanguard, Flesh and Blood, Digimon, and Lorcana. You have no idea what you are talking about and are speaking for ignorance and bad faith if you think Yugioh is less complicated than Pokemon. Not even Pokemon fans say this. They wanted to stay in Yugioh because it's more competitive you loser. "One mans complicated is another mans simple." Nobody has ever said Yugioh is too simple, the number 1 complaint about the game is that it is to complicated. You are just lying about champions saying that Yugioh is too simple. You can look at people like Joshua Schmidt who came back to Yugioh after trying pokemon, because games like Pokemon are just not as fun competitively. You trust random people at your locals over professionals, wow maybe they suck at the game and that's why they are complaining, just like you. If Yugioh is so simple, then why do Yugioh players who attend other card games end up winning their events by barely knowing their rules. We've literally seen Yugioh players sweeping up Lorcana events barely knowing the game because the game is that simplistic. They then return to Yugioh after because they realize how brain numbing playing some of these games is on a high level other than stuff like Yugioh, which is a complex game. So get good. Try navigating a full tear board with mannadium or some stuff and then talk to me about simplicity, LOL. Don't even know what you are talking about. You were probably so bad you quit during Gumblar format. Hey if you've played Yugioh for over 10 years can you explain LFPA?

[@sepheiba]

going first in yugioh is broken, not complex

[@tripforks7140]

forgetting to add Flesh & Blood, then putting it in S tier describes so well in itself the place that the game is in

[@CarlosRodriguez-sv4wd]

One piece is way too low for how well it is and how fun it is. Not a chance it's under dbs or star wars

[@yaden16]

Exactly... Was searching for this

[@sudogreeko]

One piece at the very most meh in terms of deck building and strategy involved. It just has one of the biggest IPs in the world at the moment

[@nickfanzo]

I agree, it’s about the same level as Star was unlimited, which is also awesome. Flesh and blood is s tier though, it’s the just most complex, skill intensive, balanced tcg of all time

[@Primo-on6fc]

for real though

[@TrueMoralsOverLaws]

I think what makes one piece great is that when you get hit for damage you get a card, where in Pokémon when you attack you get a prize.

[@HouseFullaFrogs]

So happy to see love for Digimon! I absolutely agree that it's super underrated, and I feel like if bandai released on online version they would find it blowing up since you really just need to try it for a few games before it hooks you. Also, as someone who played Commander regularly for nearly a decade, I can say that wizards has in fact ruined the format for a lot of people. They turned a format which was largely about creative expression and using cards that didn't fit elsewhere into a semi-rotating format that requires you to always be building with the newest staples

[@GatheringGames]

I would lose my shit if they made a digital Digimon card game client. Please Bandai! We totally feel the same about commander. It's really not what it once was.

[@yugiwinninglex]

​@@GatheringGames there is a windows/linux app just that is not official and its only english set no japanese. The other way for jap set is sadly TTS.

[@manzimiliano2674]

The problem with Yu-Gi-Oh is that people complain that it is too complicated, but those People only played the Yugi at the park watching a certain series that explained that era new evocation mechanic. Now they try to join back and play their old favorite deck but don't think that as everything changes with time, Yugi changes too I saw the Zexal series and played at school and started playing again during the pandemic era with master duel and now started playing irl with new discovered decks that I can enjoy, since I still like as a person, like the somewhat power creep, I agree that is a complicated game but it all depends if a person want to play the game o wants to remember the old times If this is the case Yugi still offers old formats that allow everyone to play old cards and still have fun, they still remember that there always was a meta, a stringer deck that was revolutionary for that periox I always have this kind of conversation with friends that want to get back into the game and make people realise what they have to get ready for and hope they will still give Yugi a chance

[@robots3326]

Yugioh is a bad game, very slow and broken, play magic the gathering instead

[@antoniomarino9444]

The big issue with Yu-gi-Oh is that the power creep has totally nullified the balancing cost for casting basically every creature. Normal summoning through creature sacrifice according to the level of the card or other conditions like rituals/ fusions are completely bypassed (or almost) by new cards that go around that. You also have no limitations about how many non-creature cards you can play per turn. This means that you basically now have no resource managment: everything is free.You may argue that this is true for both players, but that's the whole point of a card game: you have to get to your win condition. In this context, the game is just a race, mostly with yourself and that nullifies the interaction with your opponent. The result is that modern yu-gi-oh structure revolves around tutor cards that allow you to cheat creatures that are a Win condition per-se. The fact that turn one i can basically already play my win condition is why they invented Hand-trap, which mechanic is also broken gameplay-wise (we are talking about a free, not even on the field counter anything card). It's not that is complex. It's just that is not balanced whatsover. And the fact that is not balanced for both player doesn't mean anything. Because the result is that the game revolves around a couple of turns in which what you basically do is just tutoring. The old game was in fact way more interactive because it was more based on combat phase: attacking a face down creature could trigger an effect, or a face down spell could be anything (also a bluff). Now that doesn't make any sense because once you play your win con card it has to have some kind of protection (from basically anything). It's very personal to judge what's fun and what isn't, but for me a 10 minute turn of tutoring, even if it's me doing the thing and casting half my deck to get the OP creature out i have hard time finding that enjoyable.

[@robots3326]

@@antoniomarino9444 come on yugioh sucks so bad, its BORING, terrible, have to wait 5 minutes of someone summoning non stop for a OTK means this game is trash, and i used to play yugioh, i have a kairyushin deck but dont use it anymore beacuse the game is not even fun

[@facundolucianogomezcena5801]

@@robots3326 I know you not saying yugioh is "BORING" when you have a floodgate deck lmaoooooo

[@-8h-]

People think yugioh is complicated?

[@se7enfoot]

I've been playing Pokemon with my kids for a few years now and I generally didn't enjoy the lack of interaction in the game, but love to play with my young kids. An older player at the shop explained that Pokemon TCG is similar to playing chess. Chess is most people's introduction to strategy games.

[@AgitoSwiftly]

Good Day Gathering Games!, as a Digimon Card Game creator it fills me with glee that you've played it and actually see it for what it is (a very well rounded game with interesting mechanics) Unfortunately for us BT15 did get a massive pre release nerf because it was the only time it had created a T0 Meta in Digimon, and was next to impossible to play anything other then Apocalymon (70% win rate in Japan) BT15 did end up being one of the most diverse formats we've ever had with well over a dozen decks been good enough for competitive play, BT16 has introduced some interesting cards allowing for more decks to take advantage of the Ukkomon Engine as well as the new Lv6 Ace's causing all sorts of chaos. i'm not sure how long ago this video was recorded but EX06 has also dropped and has had 2 Regionals with it's release and, for the most part besides introducing some new fan favourite cards and archetypes probably won't be doing much in the coming days, that said BT17 will be adding yet another round of support for many decks that are still seeing success both competitively and causally, EX07 with the structure decks looks to be the best jumping in point for new players so hopefully new tamers will be looking to join the game in the new school year

[@andreelmatacoronavirusquin1322]

One Piece deserves so much better it’s doing wayyyy better than most of the games that are place above it

[@sinisterrizsen8111]

Facts

[@ziltoid984]

The game is just so boring, and finding any product is nigh impossible

[@ericv5435]

​@@ziltoid984blame bandai for lack of product

[@kentymashmilo758]

​@@ziltoid984 i only played magic and one piece and i think one piece is nowhere boring especially when you have the meta cards.. but yeah its expensive and so hard to find

[@CallmeDou]

@@kentymashmilo758 That should not be a problem now, cards are way cheaper.

[@formerctgovernordannelmall1452]

Its out of print but I wouldve loved to see a ranking of the Chaotic TCG. Such a damn unique game to me, shame that neither it nor its show ever got much traction.

[@masterflamewing234]

It’s coming back. Creator just got the rights of the game back and is relaunching it

[@jsavman7]

Lorcana is bringing back hall of fame magic players to competitive gameplay. And is putting on several 2000 player tournament’s that sell out almost instantly. Also local game stores are selling out for set championship after every set.

[@vanshires]

Yep that are dead wrong on their thought on it.

[@sinisterrizsen8111]

Nah bru, loracan is dead, not a single sould plays in south Texas lol

[@orpheus0108]

​@@sinisterrizsen8111 lol, Texas

[@rupertpupkin7044]

@@sinisterrizsen8111 they just had a lorcana challenge that hosted 2000+ players. the game isnt going anywhere

[@sinisterrizsen8111]

@@rupertpupkin7044 yep, with the only 2000 players left in the nation lol, no one cares about lorcana

[@TheD1rtyRider]

I think Lorcana should be higher. As a former mtg player, it is the perfect game for a 30 something to get into as a casual hobby. Great art, but most important, it actually has appeal for women and I can play with my wife (makes all the difference). Also, the DLCs are selling out in literal minutes, so I think the competitive game is healthy for now.

[@heftylad]

Yugioh player here who has tried and failed to get my girlfriend to play many times. I told her about Lorcana recently and she actually seems very interested, unlike with yugioh, so I VERY much agree with this.

[@tylerantony7399]

I just can't get past the Disney aspect.

[@heftylad]

@tylerantony7399 Helps if you like Disney for sure. Also helps when you realise that unlike other licensed games that just use screenshots from the films for the artwork, they actually have unique and REALLY COOL art for the cards.

[@TheD1rtyRider]

@@heftylad If you don't like Disney, then ya. But it is awesome to have a game to play that my wife is excited about and that other women actually play.

[@cjpeach11]

Why would it be higher? Tons of women play digimon/Pokemon/one piece/star wars. Why is that an increase in rating? Also it's competitive meta is an absolute joke.

[@HighCouncilStudios]

I didn't think I'd love SW unlimited like I do. The prerelease for the new set was crazy fun.

[@GatheringGames]

I'm on the same boat entirely! It's way better than I ever expected it to be 😅

[@HighCouncilStudios]

@@GatheringGames if only... Wish Shatterpoint came out 2nd 😂

[@GatheringGames]

@@HighCouncilStudios lol! Shatterpoint is a decent system. But yeah, SWU is more my cup of tea.

[@HighCouncilStudios]

@@GatheringGames last game I will play was my first or 2nd tournament. I spent 2 full rounds trying to get a Mando off a core box terrain my b1 couldn't fit on. I never drew the b1 while we were competing each rd. I scored 1 each turn from round 2-3.

[@HighCouncilStudios]

Update: I love this game, Bought 2 boxes, and have my solo deck nearly done. Who wants to buy my Shatterpoint stuff?

[@royalillest]

Used to play yugioh a lot but now I am all in for pokemon, I love it so far. After hearing you guys talk about Digimon I definitely interested 👀

[@GatheringGames]

It's worth a try! It has some overlap with pokemon with the evolutions, but has some other cool system that I think make it more interesting than pokemon.

[@stackingcoins4304]

Lorcana is having huge OP tournaments Massive turnouts and sell outs. I don't think this fame is going anywhere

[@connermorgan9223]

I love Lorcana, won two Stitches from set championships. Easy to learn, difficult to master. I disagree that the game is going away; I think it's here to stay and could be #4. That said, they're right that it is a simple game and hasn't experimented too much with unique mechanics. It is in a lot of ways a reboot of Magic and no interaction on the opponent's turn (which is debatable if that's a positive or negative). For the TCG enthusiast, I can understand it being in the "aite" tier.

[@rdanieldf]

I just won an Usurla’s tournament and I can say the game is a better MTG that is just starting, art and prices are really good. We need to wait for new game mechanics.

[@nickfanzo]

As far as a game goes, it’s not past b tier.

[@nickfanzo]

Flesh and blood is the best tcg ever

[@LaPalomaSabia]

I like to think lorcana is great for beginers in the tcg world

[@gorganiangranola]

Personally I think the Digimon placement is a really good call, and I can totally vibe with your S tier those are incredibly good picks tbh. Also a neat mashup of old and new games on the tier list (you gotta check Altered out soon tho and also I think people asking for Grand Archive inclusion aren't too wrong about their game being good)

[@GatheringGames]

Everthing I've read about Altered has me so excited about it. Grand Archive is now on my radar too 😊

[@akromvaleth]

Flesh and Blood is the most safe (money wise) and most fun (gameplay wise) a TCG can offer these days, the game is so much fun, the art, the heros, the lore, the card frames, everything is so incredible well designed and crafted that pales all other TCG's... and on top of that, LSS is a great company who made all efforts possible to give to us players the best experience they can with their game without bloodsucking all our money in everypossible way.

[@GatheringGames]

Without a doubt, LSS are total angels.

[@coreymease7851]

So one piece decks are 50-70 lbs and affordable which is good. Lorcana is over printed and cheap for people to buy which is bad? Whats the difference?

[@TheSoykeith]

To start off with a metaphor. It’s a bit of tall mountains versus hills. Lorcana overprints cards and for the most part is cheap to buy a decent deck in but they have massively tall mountains for competitive decks. The peaks of the expensive cards are about 30 USD per card, relative to the rest of the cards in your deck it sort of feels bad to have a deck worth 150 and 4 cards takes up 120 of the price. I say all this to push focus on a meta that, at the time of this video supported about 4 decks in the meta for tournaments that paid out 5000 bucks. You either play the meta decks which used the same 12 cards or you spent that 150 on a box and not get any of your moneys worth

[@-8h-]

I didn't bother with lorcana because initially cards were impossible to find. Couldn't even get boxes. Never looked back.

[@rupertpupkin7044]

yeah makes no sense how they see over printing an issue. first 4 months of lorcana was dreadful with under printing and packs selling for 2x-3x msrp making people quit because it was hard to get. games need over printing to keep players around and clearly they know nothing and are hating for no reason

[@rupertpupkin7044]

@@TheSoykeith thats how tcg works on a competitive level. every single tcg has meta decks ranging for 500-1000 dollars.

[@alexaschendel3749]

Cardfight Vanguard and Pokemon are my two favorite games, and the biggest problem with Cardfight Vanguard is that it's too expensive and there is little room for skill expression in deck building and when playing imo. There's not a lot of generic cards for every deck, and half your deck is taken up by stuff like perfect guards and triggers. I still really like the game though! I just can't afford it. Pokemon is the opposite in every way, you can mix and match cards and its super cheap. I recommend giving them both a try if you can!

[@MrChrissyTCG]

It doesn't sound like you actually played lorcana. It is the best designed game to come out in the past 10 years. Y'all are crazy.

[@GothReaper616]

Digimon ftw!! It is the most amazing tcg ive ever played and it deserves much more love!!

[@shoichi8474]

Hadn't played tcgs for over 10 years and fab brought me back. Glad to see it up there.

[@GatheringGames]

It's reinvigorated my love of the space. FaB really is fab.

[@umbreonstcg6708]

I’ve played most of the card games on this list. I have to say Cardfight Vanguard is personally my favorite TCG. I’ve been into it since it came out lol.

[@TCGTamer]

I will happily play Digimon with you guys! We have a community, it just doesn't feel like there are that many content creators for it. Loved the video, great job guys 😁

[@KchrroX]

I love Digimon tcg it made me got back to play and collect, the alternatives are insane

[@Az_aquaman]

You say Lorcana won’t be around for long? Pretty bold statement my friend. I say it’ll stick around and be one of the top tcg.

[@VYZYVATEL]

Where is Altered TCG?

[@skildfrix]

I am a Yu-Gi-Oh player, I disagree that Konami can fix Yu-Gi-Oh. This game is beyond repairable. Also it its not as near as "Outstanding" on the Tier list, "Great" suites better. By all means I don't hate the game, I still play it to this day. But that's reality.

[@azura2552]

Pokémon player here, I think you guys would love the GLC (Gym Leader Challenge) format. It’s much more limited but also more expansive at the same time than the normal formats. I recently got into it and it’s a nice refreshing set of pace in comparison to the typical standard format.

[@DracoSenpai420]

How do you look at vanguard, a TCG that came out in 2011,that has garnered many lovers, and is only held back by the fact of its availability?

[@dragonbrandoncook]

As a dude whose also played a ridiculous amount of tcgs, digimon is my favorite of all time... love this game so much...

[@FranzPlaysFaB]

To Lorcana - the tournaments in the US and in Europe keep selling out, so I don't fully understand your assessment of it being on its way out. But time will tell. SWU I don't know too well, but the mentioned mechanic of Smuggle is surely an interesting one. But in a competitive setting it will open the doors wide for cheating, and that is a huge miss for the game. Plus the art of SWU is such a miss, so many cards look horrible.

[@GatheringGames]

From a sales perspective Lorcana has entirely collapsed for us. Time will definitely tell on this, so we'll be watching very closely. Interesting take on the smuggle mechanic in SWU! It was one of the issues with traps in yugioh that, for some time, held back competitive play.

[@FranzPlaysFaB]

Interesting to hear, did not know the seller angle on Lorcana. But coming from FaB, that game also had some horrible sets in the last year that surely must have sold badly-and now they turned around with two +banger sets in a row (three with the fall set Rosetta which looks promising). The future will tell. thanks again for your perspective on the TCG scene!

[@rupertpupkin7044]

@@GatheringGames how has it collapsed? they need to over print in order to keep it alive and well. lorcana challenge is showing a constant sell out within minutes of posting and it has one of the best prize supports ive seen in a tcg. the learning curve is exactly where it should be accessible for new players and deep enough for experienced tcg players. as long as they dont let the power creep catch up i can see this game being a top 3 in a few years. the IP alone will keep it going strong but the competitive scene will put it over the top with DLC and set champs along side league where you can win items that sell really well on the secondary market. like all tcg sealed wont sell as well given its $8 a pack in canada and meta players rather buy the cards outright and save money.

[@Rainfires]

To just throw something nearly unknown in the ring, Final Fantasy TCG is often discounted, but is hanging on despite having nearly 0 advertising budget. Its gameplay is good but suffers from advertising flaws. Keep your eyes peeled just in case square enix decides to advertise and finally build a digital client. (And maybe try to find a locals! Buy in is cheap and even before that, most communities want players so bad, they often have extra decks on them to borrow just to introduce the game)

[@EMPCraft]

Gameplay and skillwise Yu-Gi-Oh is by far the best. But sadly it's not that new player friendly and quite expensive depending on your choice

[@carlomoalastaid]

the thing i love about mtg is that it doesn't have a board limit.

[@doradito33]

Lorcana has been such a fun game to play with my little girls. I love to see the look on their face when they are genuinely excited to play certain heroes and try to combo things together. I hope it stays around because it's such a great intro to TCG's for kids like Pokemon was when I was little. If I'm playing with adults Flesh and Blood can't be beat. Very skills based, fun deck building, and you can basically play any play style you like at the moment and be competitive. Great tier list

[@Hazalm_Kg]

Sad to see that Battle Spirit Saga isnt in the list. Once you dive a bit into it its easy to see that it is the best of the Bandai games. I have played db,op,yugioh,vanguard,mtg for reference

[@josephcourtright8071]

I feel you as someone who thought grand archive was a great design for a game.

[@recantedforger5850]

I'll tell you guys Weiss Schwarz is somewhere between great and outstanding. A little bit about the game and its biggest positives: -The IP from your favorite animes/series/games are all here. -You only need your deck to play, nothing else. No markers, trackers, dice, counters. -You play your entire deck. You'll cycle usually 2-3 times per game, so every card is important and cycling becomes a key part of the game itself. -Games typically finish VERY close. The turn you go for game, you can ensure your opponent can likely do the same the next turn. -There's really no streamrolling to be had in the game. How damage and playing cards works limits you from playing your most powerful cards until you've taken enough damage. So when you're "ahead" your opponent has an easier time coming back by simply playing better cards.

[@danieldelvalle8561]

I just buy yesterday Flesh and blood history pack 1 from you guys now that i'm in vacation here in the Uk. I'm from Spain. And i don't know why but some stores in the Uk didn't had flesh and blood.I start learning 1 week ago. I fall in love with Flesh and blood.

[@GatheringGames]

Thanks so for the support! We really love FaB so we make an effort to keep it in stock. I hope you have fun cracking open HP1 when you finally get around to it :D

[@PEB983]

Universus is my favorite card game right now. The skill expression in that game is just unlike anything I’ve experienced in any other tcg and the system is so incredibly deep. I’m a little anxious about the changes coming in attack on titan but am optimistic to see where the game goes. Solid video and I hope you guys enjoy getting back into it!

[@gerharddamm5933]

Wish I could play fab but there’s like no scene whatsoever where I live. I haven’t seen a single game shop even carry it

[@GatheringGames]

That's a shame! It's mostly the same here, but I can see it growing into something huge one day.

[@austincarter6958]

I kind of agree with standard being somewhat irrelevant right now with magic, but as someone who still plays it online pretty consistently it is a super fun format to brew in. Secondary market still sucks hardcore ass though.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

Best way to play mtg rn is pauper

[@spiralshadow]

Netrunner in S-Tier is all I needed to see 🙏

[@mattfcruz52]

wheres grand archive?

[@joshchambers1334]

Netrunner player here, Nisei rebranded as NSG. Most Regionals are selling out, we're doing alright :)

[@GatheringGames]

Really heartwarming to hear that there's still so much love for the game. Long live netrunner!

[@canonviewer]

So I left Yugioh this month and been checking out other tcgs I think Lorcana will be around for a while because it’s got the Mouse backing it. It’s a good game in of itself but it’s still very new so we can’t accurately make predictions until the dust has settled. It can be an expensive game however. The fact that it’s Disney suggests they’re may be a lot of support for casual play. Pokémon was my first choice for moving because meta is healthy, game is super cheap (can build a strong meta deck for less than £100) to get into and very accessible, even a well-built “fun deck” can win against a meta deck, it probably won’t win a tournament though. Downside is rotation same as MTG, but the expanded format is fairly diverse too and TPC do a good job with the ban list. Flesh and Blood..is hands down the most unique TCG I’ve ever seen. Some cards are expensive (even after reprints) but ultimately it’s a skill based game so the better player will the be one that’ll win, not the one who paid the most. The power boost given by most of the expensive cards is small and you don’t even need them unless you plan to play hyper competitively, and they’ll be around for a good long time with no ban or rotation. So my 2 choices are either Pokémon or Flesh and Blood.

[@ronelm2000]

Weiss Schwarz player here. I'd say that the collector's game seem to be the heaviest pull right now simply because of the IPs, but a meta does exist for the game. There isn't much users tho, and they're quite limited, but, the fanbase is very dedicated. For example, WS has their own YGOPro equivalent that's fairly maintained. As for the meta, there are problems with it, but with the recent banlist finally tackling the biggest problems of the last one - - Chainsaw Man and Avatar, it'll be a wait-and-see if it changes things or will the lack of hits on Overlord and Tensura be its defining moment for the incoming Nationals this next half of the year. As for the gameplay itself? I can't quite describe it. What's unique about it is that all of its systems contribute to a very consistent experience. Everyone starts at Level 0, leveling up and unlocking better characters as you go along, but you lose at Level 4, so it has a tug-of-war aspect similar to Digimon (but less refined since it is a really old TCG -- WS is what put Bushiroad on the map in Japan) There's also the concept of climaxes which is unique in that it's an attempt to replicate the aspect of high points in an IP. For some it doesn't work-ish: Hololive has a very weak climax relationship aspect. Some work reaaaally well. For example, there's a Colossal Titan combo for AOT that brings out a really really huge titan with alot of power and centered upon the climax from AOT EP1. Sure, UA and others have gone and adapted AOT to their TCG with success, but that climax aspect of WS is unmatched. Tldr: I'd watch a WS video.

[@ChrisPrime39]

Which version of vanguard you talking? Current standard or premium?

[@V2ULTRAKill]

The best version G format

[@lalomaster11]

Digimon tcg by far the most fun game I've played. The memory sistem, digievolutions and timing effects makes the game very interesting and enjoyable. Also the community at least in mexico is very chill ando happy to see new players.

[@alexandresilveira6905]

Love Digimon! I play with my friends every now and then, but think it could really benefit from an official online game, like mtg and yu-gi-oh have.

[@Rmuhnii]

No grand archive is crazy

[@Reboudre]

Exactly my thought.

[@ziltoid984]

I've never seen that game irl but watching the world championship for it looked very interesting

[@anakisshunter]

Shout out to all 3 Vanguard fans out there, our game is aite!

[@bmillz1341]

I'm a little confused by the comment that Lorcana doesn't have good gameplay. I've found that while the core gameplay is relatively simple to understand, it is incredibly skill-dependent compared to a lot of other TCGs. There will always be some aspect of luck, but the decision tree is deceivingly complicated at high level gameplay. There are only 4 sets out, and for the last few, the meta has been pretty diverse with multiple Tier 1 decks, and viable decks of each of the 6 colors. Hell, even the little PvE box they released is pretty solid.

[@Az_aquaman]

I’m more confused that they claimed it won’t be around for long haha 🤷‍♂️

[@Temurmemer]

I missed 2 the last 2 sets and the top 3 decks are still the same, discard, song, and rp control. Zero meta shake up and you just play your cards on curve. Super weak compared to every other card game ever made. Fun though since it is simple enough to play with my wife and friends.

[@uptherockies]

Hopefully Standard will make a comeback. Man i miss old Nationals - it gave all the smaller countries something to look forward to every year, and a reason to draft and practice constructed

[@justingolden21]

I've played magic for 14 years and played thousands of games of different formats, been to dozens of stores and played hundreds of players, and spent thousands of dollars, and enjoy the gameplay, the art, the people, and everything about it. I've played Hearthstone off and on for 8 years and enjoyed the simplicity and the wildness and ease to join and hit wild legend and had some good seasons, spent hundreds of hours on it. I've dabbled in some other games like Eternal and of course I know of Pokemon and have friends that know Yugioh. All this to say, I played FAB a year after it came out and I've barely played it, but it is FAR FAR better designed than any other card game, no question. Just everything about FAB is superior.

[@aspol15]

Digimon TCG is the only reason that I sticked with card games again, it's amaizing

[@Ashuhit]

Digimon TCG has the most amazing art and the best game mechanics imo. It really saddens me to see how underrated it is :(

[@gabrielgambaroni357]

Sadly One Piece is stealing it's thunder, hoping for a migration of players when OP Meta becomes too unbearable(Not too far).

[@ModelZX2]

I highly encourage you to check out Grand Archive as well. The game is amazing and unique but also very familiar with the mechanics and gameplay.

[@YGOHermit]

Cardfight is way more fun than FaB but ok

[@Zachattack8303]

It seems like Sorcery Contested Realm is some how flying under the radar of every single video or article that ranks TCGs. It came out before Star wars and Lorcana but still isn't mentioned. It was the most funded TCG on Kickstarter too but no one acknowledges it. Please give this game some love and try it out.

[@rosirio1333]

Nice video! Sad no talk about the Final Fantasy TCG

[@darkking4979]

Ive played Yu-Gi-Oh, magic, Pokemon, cfv, Digimon, one piece, duel masters, battle spirits, and the new Neopets battledome TCG. Premium cfv format is probably my favorite game sadly no one plays it around me, one piece is my game of choice now its been alot of fun even with its flaws, and i play in the fab drafts with friends time to time which is always fun. So I'm happy to see so many tcgs doing well

[@D_Mo94]

I know that in a video like this you can't catch all tcgs, but I would encourage you guys to check out Grand Archive. Fun game, interesting system, amazing art. Great list guys. Very critical and refreshing perspectives.

[@Darkicer]

Final Fantasy TCG never is in this Tier lists 😢 (Yes, there's a Final Fantasy TCG)

[@theheroslegend]

And it's very good! A bit convoluted in its rules and card text, but ultimately very fun

[@mclovin11769]

Came here to say this!!! Was my main game for a quite a while until our local retailer fucked it up. But it is definitely a goated game!

[@quetzypoo]

I have been off and on a few different tcgs, but the main ones are Digimon, one piece, yugioh, and recently, I've been giving elestrals a try. Digimon is by far my favorite tcg

[@jakesmith5200]

1) Yes, FaB! I've been loving that and Star Wars Unlimited. 2) i wholeheartedly agree with your points about Yu-Gi-Oh. Once i started playing more casually and not being as sweaty, the game became so much more enjoyable for me again.

[@thek838]

Shadowverse, Grand Archive and Altered would like a word. Granted Altered has barley come out but I think it's going to do amazing and bought into the kickstarter for sure.

[@reezgaming1475]

The thing about one piece TCG is it’s extreamly simple to pick up and while having no shortage of routes and ways to play any given deck it’s not one turn KO levels of complicated the way Yugioh is for example

[@biglow7027]

I love one piece too, right now it’s at it’s GOLDEN ERA, The Characters them selfs have LIFE, when you play them on the field it brings joy to my eyes. Easy to play, hard to master.

[@DespairMagic]

DIGIMON IS FREAKING AWESOME! It's such a good tcg. Been hooked on it for a year now and bt16 was SUCH A GOOD SET! Can't wait for bt17. I would love for it to get a bigger community but my locals is FULL of one piece players... The digimon people are playing locals with 4-8 people a week...

[@gabrielgambaroni357]

@@DespairMagic I feel the pain bro, I'm gonna need to go to another city to play in Store Tournaments because there are few players in my locals atm.

[@focusflute]

Flesh and Blood is by far the best rn incredible game

[@GatheringGames]

Hell yes!

[@StanDerg]

Started TCGs with MTG when was about 11 years old. Fast fast forward 22 years, and FaB is by far the best TCG to have ever come out in my opinion.

[@nickfanzo]

I played mtg since 1994 with a collection worth over 270k. Flesh and blood is the best tcg ever.

[@cerealkiller195]

To see Vampire in any current card lists is amazing. Quite a few magic players that played commander saw at my local shop saw many similarities and dove deep. The game is complex at first but when you have a table and the interactions that go on are great. Maybe at some point it could of been a board game but either way it is a fun game because you can't just tool your deck to fight one sort of way since its random seating arrangement.

[@xrufus7x468]

The political aspect of it also sets it apart. Making deals and alliances are common place when you have 3 or more players.

[@cerealkiller195]

@@xrufus7x468 for sure we usually play with all 5 sometimes if we have to split to multiple groups some may be smaller.

[@Griffif]

What about final Fantasy tcg ?

[@McChookter]

Came praying you lads rated Digimon. We love to see it. props for tackling this subject and somehow remaining impartial haha

[@Tillallare1]

Same here 😅

[@billyum608]

i think you hit the nail on the head with saying that magic’s strength is its limited format. draft and cube are easily my favorite ways to play. pauper is a good meta, currently, too. totally agree about MKM actually being very fun and it’s a shame how many players didn’t even give the limited format a go.

[@kbdestro2297]

I would like to suggest grand archive as a tcg for yall to play. In my opinion it is one of the best TCGs rn and its devs are amazing and actually play the game they made. The community is also amazing with tons of people there to help new players gat into the game.would be cool if yall could review it and yall may like it!

[@LordJaroh]

You guys should play Decipher's Star Wars CCG. It is by far the best and most thematic game, mechanics wise. It is being "kept alive" via a player's committee, creating new cards and errata. My only issue with the game was the end of it, when they were losing the license. While they had some interesting cards and ideas, the power creep of the late sets were an issue. If they hadn't been losing the game, I don't think that would have been an issue at all. But it still hasn't been topped for me for a one on one game. The mechanics are great, and the fact you use your entire deck for the whole game is a big part of it.

[@anab0lic]

Grand Archive? Battle spirit saga?

[@GatheringGames]

Haven't tried either. Where would you place them?

[@Steamedhams578]

@@GatheringGames Grand Archive I would put at least level with One piece and I would say it's feels very similar to playing standard in MTG but without rotation and an overall higher power level.

[@GatheringGames]

@@Steamedhams578 You've sold me on this!

[@SaruSketch]

@GatheringGames Grand Archive is amazing! Would def put it near the top of the list, if not the top. It’s a player’s game, but the collector’s market is also strong (they even have competitive events for collections). Do check it out if you can!

[@ThemTwoGamerGuys]

@@GatheringGamesbattle spirits is easy Bandai best game you should totally try it

[@Agent6472]

Kinda glad we have the reprint spree we've had in yugioh lately. It's taken the prohibitively expensive snake eyes engine that works very well with fire kings and made it about as expensive if not cheaper than the dogmatika engine I was running. Although I still feel more attention to the underdog format will still go a long way towards the health of the game

[@onetrue3256]

After giving away my Yu Gi Oh collection when i was around 17 to a 9 yr old who was just getting into Yu Gi Oh, all my old early 200s cards, i hope wherever that kid is now, i hope he's doing okay. i am happy to say i am rebuilding my YGO collection and i am also collecting MTG!