308 // 30-06 // 300 PRC: Heavy .30 Caliber Hornady Bullets for Big Game

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Heavy .30 caliber bullets aren't new for big game, but now there are high BC options! Which is better?
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[@LostBoysProduction]

This kind of video is what I really love to see from ultimate reloader. I always look forward to videos with Guy because the emphasis is on the reloading + results rather than some new-fangled product.

[@guyminer3168]

Thanks. Sometimes I do review a "new-fangled product" because at UR we do try to bring cool new stuff to the attention of our viewers. Gavin has introduced some amazing things. I'm trying not to be too stuck in my ways, and I like trying the new stuff too. But yes, mostly I like handloading, shooting, then reporting on it. :)

[@jamesmooney5348]

@@guyminer3168 Yes, but at times it seems to get out of hand. But when your in that circle,s Gavin is in, he probaly can't help it. But I do firmly beleave you help keep Gavins feet on the ground. You are an excellent help to Gavin. Back fire needs a "Guy" type person on his channel. But your a hard guy/character to find.

[@chrissidwell9455]

I like Gavin's stuff on precision shooting, but I am an older hunter that still uses the old standby cartridges. They worked years ago, they still work today. So what if they are old and boring, they still work and work good !! So I love Guy's, hunting cartridge spots on the old favorites, the 308, 30-06, ect. Keep it up Guy, you have a fan base out here !!

[@guyminer3168]

Thanks! I'm glad for the opportunity to do some stories with UR.

[@Ultimatereloader]

And we are grateful to have you on the team!

[@jamesmooney5348]

Love that 30-06. I have two 1903's and one war time Mauser sporters.

[@neilbuckley6293]

I love my old mauser sporter too. It is still a tack driver it will shoot 3 shots rubbing at 100 yards. You gotta love those old guns.😊

[@jamesmooney5348]

@@neilbuckley6293 Very nice. No "need" for one of the modern rifle. My Mauser has the first two nearly touching with 3rd rolling out to just at an inch. Very happy with it.

[@aaronwilcox6417]

Thanks for highlighting heavy 30cal projectiles. Years ago i used an 30-40 krag with 220gr RN and it works. Im new to the 30-06 and recently picked up some Hornady 220 RN and Nosler 200 Partitions. That 220 RN looks fine for 300yd and closer which covers a lot of hunting. Those 212gr Hornady look very outstanding for longer ranges. Both these Hornady bullets look outstanding from a 30-06.

[@duckwacker8720]

They're terrible.

[@kevinhartley7788]

I've been using the Hornady. 308" 212 gr ELD-X bullets along with Alliant Reloder 23 in most of my 30-06 rifles since 2017. Accuracy has been exceptional. My sporter 30-06 rifles, all with 22" barrels, have been producing muzzle velocities @ 2,430 fps, here in FL (right at sea level), in winter, with temperatures @ 50°F and barometric pressures @ 30.1 in/Hg. Not too bad for a 30-06. My 24" barreled 30-06 rifles only saw a slight increase in velocity over the 22" barrels, producing @ 2,480 fps under about the same environmental conditions. I've only taken a handfull of @ 160 to @ 220 lbs whitetail deer and less than a dozen @ 80 to @ 250 lbs hogs with these bullets, at ranges from @ 50 yrds to @ 280 yrds, but bullet performance has been excellent, at least in exit hole size. Never recovered a single one of those 212 gr pills. Not for lack of trying. I would have loved to have a few of those post-impact bullets to examine. But heck, DRT is awesome. The furthest any of those animals ran was @ 30 yrds. Great performance from an excellent bullet design.

[@DJ-3551-1]

i really like this content. It would be awesome to see a full review with hammer bullets, heavy for caliber, long range...etc.

[@benwagner4770]

I really appreciate the gel results from the low velocity ELDX. Gives me much more confidence in my (faster) 178 gr ELDX .308 load.

[@guyminer3168]

The 178 ELD-X did great for me in January this year, on elk. 405 yards from the 30-06.

[@mikepetrilli4686]

The eldx is just a glorified cup and core bullet. It is way to fragile. I know a lot of hunters who regret using it. Get a bonded bullet or full copper and you don't need 200+ grain slugs to do the job.

[@babyhuey6342]

@@mikepetrilli4686 Couldn't agree more. There's a ton of incredible controlled expansion bullets on the market, but people get all horny for the high BC cup and cores that blow up if you look at them wrong.

[@Alphasaurus-fq7nu]

How fast you pushing the 178 in 308?

[@benwagner4770]

@@Alphasaurus-fq7nu 2515 fps

[@reloadnorth7722]

Just because the 308 Win is 30 cal, doesn't mean it has to be loaded excessively. I don't see anyone overloading the 30-30, 300 Savage, 30M1 carbine, etc. Any comparisons done with the 308, has the rifle with a shorter barrel and heavier bullets almost as if someone is purposely trying to discredit the 308Win. I only hunt moose, using 308 Win up to 300 yards, or 300 Win mag up to 500 yards. I reload for both. In the 308 I use either IMR4895 or Varget, 165gr bullets, various cases, magnum primers. In my 300Win Mag I use H1000, 180gr Nosler Partitions, various cases, magnum primers. I have never wounded or lost a moose yet, in 48 years hunting. Stay safe, vigilant and happy shooting

[@calvinruggles732]

Thanks Guy! I appreciate the fact that when it comes to 300 prc and 300 win mag, you are one of very few personalities that are willing to admit that to handloader, the difference is minimal. Most just blow smoke at us because it's new and cool. I'm loading a 212 eldx in my 300 win mag at 2875 for elk this year. Great information

[@guyminer3168]

You're welcome! All it takes is a quick look at published load data from Hodgdon to see that they have similar capabilities. Got my first 300 Win Mag in the early 1980's and learned a lot from it. Don't have that rifle anymore, but I shot it rather a lot. :) Even ground squirrels!

[@JackHoff-cz3eq]

How fast could you push the 212 grain bullet out of a 308?

[@joelobryan1212]

my 300 PRC loves Hornady's Atip 230 gr high BC bullet, ADG brass, with 78.6 gr Retumbo. 2910 fps. Can't do that with a 300 WM.

[@jameskozlowski5496]

Sure you can. I shoot the 215 bergers at 2975 out of a 300wm. It will do the same with the 230 at 2915fps. ​@@joelobryan1212

[@joelobryan1212]

@@jameskozlowski5496 215gr Berger G7; 0.348. 230grAtip G7: 0.406. So Beyond 1,000 meters, comps are not close. At 1,500m Atip has 2x more rem energy (1,407 fp vs. 746 fp) and still supersonic to 1,560m. 215gr HybTgt,2,975 fps MV, is transonic at 1,380m. Bottomline: 230Atip has 200+ meter advantage for LRS beyond 1,200 meters. Inside 1,000 meters, both are comparably equivalent.

[@MD-vm9hj]

Man! Great video Guy! I'm taking my Africa trip (in your honor) in 30 days. Of course using -06 shooting solid copper 175grn Barnes for plains game slam and a 375 Ruger using 300grn Barnes. Can't wait to send ya the results!

[@guyminer3168]

Excellent! Best of luck on your hunt. :)

[@gregbloom2789]

I like Guy's videos ..always interesting to watch .

[@guyminer3168]

Thanks!

[@JimParvin-o9e]

The 300 wind drag is still my king of my 30 cals!

[@frankdyson9043]

Taking the 220gr RN on a Maine Black Bear hunt next year. 30-06, StaBall 6.5.

[@firstjohn3123]

Good luck 👍

[@guyminer3168]

The bullet should do a fine job! Best of luck on your bear hunt.

[@thevoyageur2152]

Great show! I use 160 gr HOR RN in my 6.5 mauser, 175gr in my 7mm Rem mag and 280 Rem and they all work great on deer even though the last 2 are my moose rifles.

[@guyminer3168]

Yes, the 175 has a great reputation in the 7mm cartridges, I used one on a big bull elk years ago. The 160 Hornady RN is just a classic for the 6.5's.

[@anthonykhalil70]

Thx Guy. You put alot of work into this video. It proves 30 cals have versatility.

[@guyminer3168]

You're welcome! Versatile? Yup. I've shot ground squirrels & rockchucks with my 30-06, as well as elk, grizzly, and more... It works.

[@biggs8729]

I’m running a 300 WM with 208 ELDM and 6.8 Western with 175 TGK. Both have been fantastic for elk. I know they will expand slower speed, but I think 1600 per second is a good cut off for these bullets.

[@vincentwood7036]

Once again, a great informative video. Thanks! Something I would like to see is light hunting bullets for .30 caliber rifles. You could start with 300 HAM'R and go all the way up to 300 Win Mag.

[@guyminer3168]

I've done articles/videos here on UR for the 130 grain Barnes TTSX in the 30-06 which had blistering high velocity and excellent accuracy. Also did one on the 125 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip from the 308 Winchester, again with good accuracy and velocity. A well constructed, lighter weight .30 cal bullet is useful for sure.

[@vincentwood7036]

@@guyminer3168 Thank you Guy, I'll check them out.

[@ghostrobinson1879]

Have had excellent results on cow elk with ELDX 148 grain in 270

[@guyminer3168]

They can work well. I took a cow elk with my 30-06 using the 178 gr ELD-X in January. Cool hunt, great meat.

[@charlesmullins3238]

As an avid .308 connoisseur the more data and specs I learn on .300prc more I’m dyin to pull trigger…engage pun…my 6.5prc waypoint is great for the price of admission…I looked up the cost of components and seems like I got a deal…what it does on a jug at 200yrds I can’t imagine .300…my 7mm mag 700 adl was 1st rifle and hope to start with blueprinting action and do full custom proof barrel maybe 7saum…love hearin yer knowledge guy. It all goes in the braniual archives…

[@winstonjones7519]

I use 180gr RNSPs in .30-06 for deer hunting. I use 165gr sft pts in .308 Win for deer hunting. I use max powder charges in both. Don't know if these bullet weights qualify as heavy for caliber though. Most shots on deer are less than 100 yards. Last nice buck was at about 70 yards. 180 grainer in that 30-06 did the job well. Great video! Thank you for the information.

[@guyminer3168]

A good 165 or 180 will handle most hunting situations. That's what I use most often.

[@K-bob_45]

200 grain Sierra game kings in 30-06. Getting 2700 ft/sec with RL-16 from a 22” barrel. About to try Ramshot Hunter and see if it tightens the groups up

[@guyminer3168]

Great! That 200 gr Sierra is a fine bullet. I've been using Ramshot Hunter for 178's and 180's in my 30-06 for a couple of my last hunting seasons. It's doing great! I haven't tried it yet with 200's.

[@K-bob_45]

@@guyminer3168 have you used the 200 Sierra for anything?

[@MyLonewolf25]

That 30-06 is a beautiful rifle but 308 and 300 prc are my choices

[@dvskane1808]

I love .308 and 300 WM. I’m open to 300 PRC but don’t wanna buy that brass and dies.

[@DZ4295DBW]

I want to see a test on 300 Norma Magnum.

[@heinrichstoltz1356]

I’ve shot a number of large of african plains game with 220gr Hornady Round Nose in my .30-06, and it served me well until I could afford a larger rifle. This included a number of large Cape and Livingstone Eland.

[@guyminer3168]

Eland are huge! Thanks for that report. That good old 220 gr bullet has performed well for many.

[@neilbuckley6293]

I think it was a great informative video. I don’t own 30 caliber rifle. I do have a 270 model 70,an 8mm Mauser,and a 7mm-08 that I load for. I only get shoot deer and hogs here in East Texas. The 140grain interlocks preform great on both at 300+ yards. I will be acquiring some eldx bullets now. 😊

[@guyminer3168]

By far and away, most of my game has been shot with "normal" bullet weights. 165's in the 308 and 30-06, and 115's from the 25-06.

[@neilbuckley6293]

In 1980 I went down to buy a 30-06 but they sold it before I got there. I bought the 270 and just like you I have been shooting Winchester power points for most of the game I have taken ie normal bullets 😂

[@shamrock1738able]

In my experience ive seen 30-06 with 220 RN in the big woods of Michigan where vast majority of shots are 75 yards and in with the occasional 150 yard shot. Hunting those same conditions with my 300 wm ive learned that I am best suited to bonded 180 grain bullets to avoid over expansion and poor penetration.

[@guyminer3168]

Ahh... That makes sense. The 300 magnum at close range has a real high impact velocity. Yes, I like your solution. Another way to go of course is with an "unleaded" bullet like the Hornady CX, the Barnes TTSX, or Nosler's E-Tip. They hold up real well to high impact velocity.

[@markmoss5565]

Yep nice one have just got my new .300 win started with factory hornady 200eldx but are going to reload the 212eldx went to this because of the high BC

[@trg3761]

Would have been nice to see figures for a 22” barrelled 308w 212 gr ELDX

[@ChrisEdling]

Probably get it up to the mid 2500s with the right powder, which is not slouch

[@joshjamesguitar]

You should really use the G7 BC for the ELD-X it's a more accurate calculation on boat tail bullets.

[@guyminer3168]

Thought about that - but I wanted to use the same calculator for both bullets - and the 220 gr RN doesn't fit the G7. So, made a choice and went with it. If I was using two different high BC bullets, yes, I'd use the G7 model for sure.

[@firstjohn3123]

What you mentioned on Bull elk vs cow/smaller elk also applies in spades to black bear....they just get so much bigger through the chest-way more muscle. 150# to 300# is one thing, but when they get over 500# they're getting into grizzly size. I know quite a few guys who like their 45-70's for that...although the 30 calibers tend to be the favorite.

[@guyminer3168]

Ya, some black bear get huge!

[@williamsweet7511]

West Coast Sierra Nevada and the biggest I ever need is 30-06 Barnes TSX led free, 168 and 180. Before led free I used 150 g. hunting ammo.

[@guyminer3168]

Barnes makes one heck of a good hunting bullet and we like 'em!

[@brianbadger2234]

These fast twist PRC cartridges would make interesting candidates for subsonic loads.

[@guyminer3168]

Hmmm... Interesting.

[@juan-jose7163]

I appreciate your comparison very well. But - as mentioned - before a 308 with a longer barrel and faster twist would show best results in velocity.

[@guyminer3168]

We were really comparing the two different bullets at three velocity levels, not so much the cartridges themselves. My 24" 308 is often quite close to my 24" 30-06 for velocity, particularly with 168 grain and lighter bullets.

[@juan-jose7163]

@@guyminer3168 Well I agree to all you said. My 24" 308 runs well up to 300 yard for European game even for heavy wild boars and elks. But for more punch in shorter distances I prefer the old 9,3x62 Mauser in a 20" short barrel Savage... for me it's one of the best guns.

[@guyminer3168]

@@juan-jose7163 - I am seriously considering turning one of my 30-06 rifles into a 9.3x62...

[@juan-jose7163]

@@guyminer3168 It's really an interesting round but it's not the best for all situations. There're lots of cartridges will similar power an nock down power. We should know that a well expanding .270 or .30 cal provides a great wound channel as a thicker bullet. So it depends on what you like better. I do like both and earth for different situations. Hunting pigs in the bush and expecting short shooting distances I prefer the heavy Mauser round. Hunting light weight game in open land scape I go for 308 or 270 win. There're so many nice rounds. So I'm not really the guy with only one gun.

[@possumpopper89]

That full stock rifle sure is pretty. When I was a kid and first saw a full stock rifle I wasn’t too keen on it. But they sure have grown on me in my older years. I may have to break down and buy a full stock rifle of some sort.

[@guyminer3168]

I like it, and the family history with it having been built by my grandfather right after WWII, for my father who was still serving... It's mine now, and I treasure it.

[@josesuro3981]

@@guyminer3168 I had the privilege if shooting a couple of Styer Luxus Mannlicher rifles around 1980. A good friend had two, one in .270 and the other in 30.06, both with Leupold scopes. The most impressive looking rifles I have ever shot. Accuracy with handloads was outstanding and the wood and craftsmanship were in a league all of their own! The polished deep blue barrels - oh my...

[@guyminer3168]

@@josesuro3981 those must have been wonderful rifles!

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

With my 300rum I get 3250fps with the 212eldx. It’s a laser beam with a lot of energy.

[@nathanbailey9153]

Thank you for loading and testing "heavy-for-.308 Win" type bullets. That is greatly appreciated. Although I really wish you would have tested the .308 in a 1:10 twist rifle, instead of the 1:7. The 1:10 are fairly common for .308, but 1:7 is pretty much just some one off specialty. Not really relevant to 98% of the people out there. Still, at least we have some safe loads to consider.

[@jonathonschram3429]

I have all 3. I built my 300prc just because my buddy had already rented the reamer and I had a Green Mountain 1:10 barrel lying around. Finished at 25.5", in and old rem 700 L action and a stupid heavy tacmod chassis that was collecting dust. 3,100fps with a hornady 200 eld-x over RL26. Very little load development and I was hovering around 1moa. 150gr gmx north of 3,600fps over RL26 as well but shooting closer to 1.5-1.75moa. Maybe I need to give some heavier bullets a chance...but I can't imagine needing "more" of anything out of this cartridge. The 300 prc has effectively made the 300wm irrelevant. No sloppy chamber to deal with, no belt, good brass, etc, etc. I probably won't hunt with mine, but I could see building something that weighs less than half of what I cobbled together for big bear or elk at longer ranges.

[@daleboatman1731]

I shoot the 30-06 with a 178 gr ELD-X and Superformance with 59.1 gr, which shoot well for me. I suggest working up to that load if someone wants to try it.

[@eggbert191]

I enjoy the inerlock on deer in my 308 but ill be switching to bonded bullets from now on. Seen way to many videos of the eldx coming apart in gel

[@guyminer3168]

Interesting. Ours have held together well at high velocity and low. But, bonded bullets are a good thing. I've had some great hunts with them.

[@RMM--uv7uk]

Awesome job Guy!! Hope to see you in the Elk woods this year.

[@guyminer3168]

Shhh.... I've got an archery elk tag this year...

[@mikespak1473]

Nice full stock 30-06!

[@guyminer3168]

Thanks! I like it. Have been hunting with it already this year.

[@RevHiker]

great video... would have liked to see a 308 with a comparable barrel length to the 30-06 and see how close they would be.

[@guyminer3168]

I've got a 24" Krieger barreled .308 and a couple of 24" 30-06's. However my 308 has a 1:12 twist rate and doesn't stabilize the long and heavy bullets. With bullets of 175 grains or less though, it's quite accurate. I find that with various 165 or 168 grain bullets my 308 tops out in the 2700 - 2800 fps range. With the same bullets the 30-06 produces 2900+ fps at max loads. Not a huge difference, 150 fps more or less for the most part. We chose Gavin's short barreled 308 for this simply because it has a fast twist barrel that easily stabilized the long 212 grain ELD-X bullet. It was really a comparison of the two bullets at various muzzle velocities, not really a cartridge comparison.

[@RevHiker]

@@guyminer3168 totally understand the twist rate issue, and I understand why you chose the one you did, and I would have done the same thing in your position. I just think the shorter barrel skewed the results some. I have a 24" Savage 110 with a 1:10 twist that pushes 165/168 range bullets at 2950-3050 depending on the bullet. (Max Load of 2000MR w/CCI 200 Primer) I'm always amazed at the speed difference between barrels of the same length. With what I get out of that 308, I never had a reason to jump to a 300WM for my purposes. Again, enjoyed the video, thanks again.

[@cobjread]

Once again, the Hornady hype was starting to get to me, and i was thinking that maybe i need to reconsider the 212 gr ELDX in my 30-06. But i ran a ballistics calculator on my 168 gr TTSX load that is doing 2970 at the muzzle, and my TTSX carries more velocity and energy, with less drop and less wind drift (assumed 10 mph at 90 degrees) out to 600 yds. And I know the TTSX will perform on game, where I've had mixed results with other Hornady bullets. So, in the end, this reaffirmed to me that i have a pretty good thing going, and i can keep ignoring the Hornady hype.

[@guyminer3168]

Nothing wrong with using a good 165/168 grain hunting bullet. Most of my hunting with a 30-06 has been done with 165's, and they've performed well on elk, mule deer, black bear & pronghorn antelope. The TTSX is indeed a fine hunting bullet.

[@rom14141]

I don't have any complaints about 220 gr 30-06 loads. Where I've lived and hunted in ID and NM, the standard is 180 gr Core-Lokt, probably more to do with what's available at local stores and economics. When I hunted with 220's it's when I was starting to reload on a Lee Challenger in Idaho.

[@guyminer3168]

Those 220's pack a whollop for sure.

[@brandoncarey2329]

I would love to a .300 wby mag vs 300 prc comparison

[@bustabass9025]

Cut my big game teeth on the '06 and 180 grain Core-Lokts. Although I have all three, I tend to gravitate towards my .300 Weatherby as the favorite .30 cal. That's both a practical and a sentimental choice.

[@guyminer3168]

I get it. :) That's why I usually hunt with a walnut stocked 30-06 or 25-06. I just really like them, and have for a long time.

[@bustabass9025]

@@guyminer3168 That Mark V in a Sporter or the Deluxe model is a beautiful rifle. There's just something about the bond that forms between me with that organic wood, the feel, the heritage, (I own four) that's not quite the same with synthetic stocks. I dunno, guess I'm kinda funny that way when it comes to my rifles.

[@Eggomania86]

It seems like this Hornady Eld-x 212gr bullet in a 30-06 actually out performs many factory 180gr cup and core 300 win loads. Said bullets give the good old 06 new life. I may try this myself.

[@duckwacker8720]

212's are way too slow

[@Eggomania86]

@duckwacker8720 I'll agree with you that it's slower. However, when it comes to down range performance, the 212gr maintains its speed and kinetic energy over a longer period of time because a 212gr high BC has less drag than a traditional flat base cup and core bullet. Yes a .300 win mag with a traditional flat base cup and core bullet is still going to spit out faster than a 30-06 with a high bc 212gr the .300 Win mag with a flat base bullet has more drag, and it's going to lose velocity and kinetic energy sooner. Guys who reload 30-06 and use these high bc bullets are also getting pretty good velocities. Anywhere from 2600 to high 2700fps. I wouldn't discount 30-06.

[@briansupermag3918]

My 30-06 AI is gonna be running from 168 Sierra TMK up to. 185 Berger Hybrids. 176 A Tips and 178 Eldm. Distances from near to very far😂

[@leonardogarcia2506]

I use 210 gr. Nosler ablr in my .300 wsm. I had it throated so it runs a coal just shy of 3.2”. With h4350, I’ve found an accurate load at 2860 fps out of the 26” barrel. Some would say it’s heavy for caliber, I think it’s just right!

[@guyminer3168]

I had a terrific 300 WSM load using the 210 Berger VLD at 2810 fps. So accurate!

[@leonardogarcia2506]

@@guyminer3168 yes sir! I seen that! When I was first scouring the net for load recipes and any kind of data, I came across your name on the nosler reloading forum. There was plenty of good info on there and a big thanks to the guy that goes by the name Dr. Mike, I think! I believe it was he who posted lots of quick load info! It was super helpful in my search for a reference point to starting charges with various powders. Mind sharing what brass where you using and primer?

[@RoxVrod]

Using 300 PRC 212 grain ELD-X, Bergara HMR 26"

[@shootingthebreeze4432]

Good stuff as always Guy!

[@guyminer3168]

Thanks!

[@lars277]

Maybe a 250 grain for the 30-378 Weatherby mag.

[@guyminer3168]

That is one heck of a cartridge!

[@45-70Guy]

@guyminer3168 this was great, love that grizzly with the 200g in an 06. I took a 435lb black bear back in 2013 using a 220g RN in my 06. Broke both shoulders, found it on the inside of the hide. Shot was at 20 yards and the bullet lost about 100g of weight. I think breaking through both shoulders had a lot to do with that. Would love to see a video on 35 whelen. Especially with these newer Bullets and powders it’s a new animal.

[@guyminer3168]

35 Whelen... Yes, quite a cartridge! Congrats on your bear!

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Great video. Very well done I like to load 308 with 175s bonded bullets for the Bush. Close range stuff. And load 150s for longer range field work. The 150s are pretty flat outa my 24inch barrel . Keeps the vel up

[@guyminer3168]

Yes it does! My personal 308 has a 24" barrel and I'm impressed with the velocity it delivers.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

@guyminer3168 yea I was also impressed. Getting around 2850 with the 150s. And bout 2640 with the 175s. Them 2 loads take care of all my whitetails hunting needs

[@LSC2001]

It would be nice to see a block of wood or something to simulate bone placed in front of the gel and shot at distance. Shoulder shots on elk do happen and not every bullet is up to that task.

[@guyminer3168]

Would be interesting indeed. I do know that a 178 grain .30 cal ELD-X will shatter an elk fore-leg and penetrate the heart.

[@LSC2001]

@@guyminer3168 if they hit bone they fragment blood shot meat pretty bad though don’t they?

[@guyminer3168]

@@LSC2001 No sign of that on my elk after it shattered the leg bone, then penetrated the heart. Photos are in the story of my January elk hunt this year. We're still enjoying the great meat from that hunt. At this point I'm favorably impressed with the ELD-X, but I haven't used it a lot yet.

[@tonydevich7937]

I hope all things are well

[@FurandFowl9]

I load 180 grain round nose interlocks for my 7600, it's a 30-06 and I guess most would consider 180 heavy for the 30-06 since most people use 150-165 grain. When you're a dogger and a snow tracker like I am, you want the weight and momentum of the heavier bullet to get through the brush and the deer at least than ideal shots alot of time. Multiple shots and hits on a deer, bear or moose are the norm for people who hunt like I do here in the Northeast; the 180 grain round nose interlocks get the job done.

[@bushleague3472]

I've never seen RN Interlocts, I'll have to try to find some. I've used the 150 grain RN Corelocts in my .270 to take around a half dozen moose and 50 deer, and about the same amount of kills using the 180 grain version in my 06. I have a moose tag in my pocket this season, and some 180 grain SP Interlocts in the 06' just cause thats all I could find.

[@FurandFowl9]

@@bushleague3472 I don't know if they make them in factory loads but if you're a reloader you should be able to find them. I got about 800 of em but I'm up here in Canada

[@bushleague3472]

@@FurandFowl9 Where in Canada? I'm from Alberta, and mainly a bush stillhunter/ tracker as well. I use a canoe to do river hunts in the early season, which is mostly bush hunting but with occasional long shots near the river. I dont reload, but am thinking I should probably start.

[@eiszeit9795]

there nothing else then a 30cal to buy 👍

[@overwatch1385]

The 30-06 is beautiful

[@guyminer3168]

Thanks. It's treasured. A family rifle.

[@dw5523]

I'm interested in the heavy for caliber bullets because I think they punch well above their weight, as demonstrated in the downrange performance of the 308 & 30-06. I don't need a magnum if a standard or short action cartridge will work. What I'm curious about is how that 212gr bullet will do in a 308 out a 24" barrel. It was only 200~fps slower than the 06. How much ground can be made up with an extra 8" or barrel? If the 308 can gain even 25fps/in, it will be near enough to the bigger cartridge as makes almost no difference.

[@guyminer3168]

Well, it's going to get closer. 25 fps seems like a reasonable estimate. Sadly my 24" 308 doesn't have a fast enough twist rate to stabilize those big 212's or I'd give them a try.

[@andyhalvorson6140]

Thanks for this!! Ive been considering the high BC heavy .30 like 190 ABLR or now the 212 ELDX for my 30-06. In the mindset of if the 143 gr ELDX is good at similar velocity then the heavy should better, right?

[@guyminer3168]

That's the way I see it. Gavin clobbered a mule deer buck with the 212 ELD-X a few years ago. Worked great! I haven't taken game with the 212 yet (nor the 190 ABLR) but the 178 ELD-X did great for me on cow elk and a buddy of mine has had great results from the 212 ELD-X on elk...

[@tonydevich7937]

Im going to try those in my 06

[@Sattyboy49905]

Hornady #11 has the 208 and the 220s seated at 2.800 for the 308 so why 3.000 for the 212?

[@maximaleffort]

Great class. Thx

[@RuggedSportsmen]

Varget does not get a full burn out of a 16" barrel. You need something faster

[@danieltallott2857]

At 9.50 theres a deer just watching him shoot .haha

[@markkoehler5110]

I love 30 cal!

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

Why would you not talk about these is the chamberings they are made for; 300wm, 300weatherby, 300rum, 300wsm, and 30378?

[@jonathanlogan6647]

The first use of 30 cal heavy round nose bullet looks to actually be british with the adoption of the lee metfirt rifle with the 303 cartridge. A 30 cal 215 gr bullet with smokeless powder that we then copied for the 30-40

[@davhuf3496]

303 British is .312 diameter...

[@jonathanlogan6647]

@davhuf3496 what's your point? It was the British standard size for 30 caliber at the time just like how ours would become 308. This is literally just trying to argue semantics. By that logic the 7.62x54 isn't 30 call then because the early soviet rifles can range as large as 318. This is the turn of the century things where not as precise or as well set for standard sizes international yet. Also, it doesn't change that it was also the round we used as the basis for our first big 30 cal.

[@davhuf3496]

Truth us truth!

[@jonathanlogan6647]

@davhuf3496 lol ok troll. Ignore small arms development history and claim truth

[@davhuf3496]

The .308 diameter is considered 30 caliber, while the 303 British is not considered 30 caliber, it is that simple. Be well.

[@dvskane1808]

A .308 can do anything, assuming you have the right bullet and can account for wind. I’m bad at wind, so I try shots where wind won’t kill you.

[@guyminer3168]

The good ol' 308 is a wonderful hunting cartridge! I've shot the 308 at an awful lot of targets in competition and training over the years, and some while hunting.

[@farooqjamatee]

I want to reload my 308 ammo m118 can you tell me how much should I keep the outer dia of the neck after resizing case before putting the tip Regards

[@g.j.7175]

With the same barrel length, the .308 Win should achieve absolutely the same bullet velocity as the .30-06. That looks a bit strange to me. I would have definitely expected at least about 100 ft/s difference in favor of the .30-06. This raises a question: How the pressure curves looks like?

[@koszazanafar635]

Cody expres .30 or .308 barnes suprem?

[@Outlaw271]

Why no 300 Win Mag?

[@dogbone1358]

Is that a Caldwell chronograph upside down?

[@guyminer3168]

No - it's built differently from most chronographs. Threw me for a loop the first time I saw it too.

[@daveyboy728]

Feel bad for the poor 308 guys in here getting their feelings hurt haha. Guys the 30-06 has more powder of course it’s gonna be a little faster. 308 is still a great cartridge.

[@guyminer3168]

I like both cartridges. Have shot a lot more 308, but that's because I used it for rifle matches. Don't hunt with the 308 often. I do hunt with the 30-06 a lot and lean towards max & near-max powder charges.

[@daveyboy728]

@@guyminer3168 for people that reload and max out there 3006 cartridges big differences do come into play between the 30-06 and 308. People forget that ammunition manufacturers under-load their 3006 ammo so guys with 100 year old M1 Garands don’t lose there nose and eyeballs. 3006 loaded to its maximum potential really is deadly, just look at what Buffalo bore does.

[@guyminer3168]

@@daveyboy728 - yes. I've taken elk, black bear, grizzly, mule deer & pronghorn with my 30-06 in recent years, using my own handloads. It does a fine job.

[@jamesmooney5348]

Great video Guy! When you first got on the police department, did you carry a wheel gun? 38 Spcl or 357 Mag?

[@guyminer3168]

Colt Gov't Model 45 1911 for my entire law enforcement career. I did often carry a 357 magnum J-frame S&W as a backup gun and used a 2.5" K frame Model 19 S&W time to time as a plain-clothes detective. I had that old Model 19 on my belt in this video. Still a great old revolver.

[@jamesmooney5348]

@@guyminer3168 Very cool! Like Archie Bunker, "Those were the days."

[@masonmcneill3969]

We like guy!

[@JohnLloydScharf]

If it is not bigger than an American Bison/Buffalo, it is not big game. If it is not bigger than 320 grains, then it is not for big game. If it can be taken with a .22, it is not big game. On 10 May, 1953, Bella Twin, 63,used a .22 Long 29 grain bullet rated at 1240fps for 99 ft/lbs to take a Take the 1953 World Record Grizzly.This bear’s skull was 16 9/16 long and 9 14/16 wide, for a total score of 26 7/16. Weight estimated at over 1000 pounds. She shot at the side of the bears head half way on a line from the center of the eye to the ear hole. She used a Cooley Ace 1 Bolt Action Youth version with a 17 inch barrel made prior to 1935. 156 efficacy

[@TheTGRproductions]

I get what you're saying, but using 22lr on a Grizzly Bear, or even a Deer is not ethical.

[@scottscheuerman8714]

I wonder what that 212 eld-x would be like in my 300 Remington ultra mag it would probably be doing 3100 at least good thing for having a muzzle break it has dispatch elk quickly with lighter bullets but this bullet would hold up better at further distance

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

Had a 300 prc. Went to 300 norma.

[@guyminer3168]

Out of curiosity, why the change?

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

@@guyminer3168 Just to play with something different. I wore out the 300 prc barrel, sold it on consignment, and bought the 300 norma.

[@guyminer3168]

@@thelittledetailscr7231 - I get it! I think that's why I churned through a whole variety of hunting rifles in the 1990's and 2000's. Just wanted to keep trying different rifles and cartridges.

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

@@guyminer3168 Nice! Sounds fun!

[@dominicteresi3835]

Why go heavy when you can go solid copper and light

[@guyminer3168]

And that is why we recently tested the awesome little 130 grain Barnes TTSX bullets! I've got them loaded for my 30-06 hunting this year. Easily over 3200 fps, accurate and the bullet works great. For this video though, we wanted to focus on the heavy 30's though. Either way works fine. Tell ya, that 212 gr bullet with the high BC really impresses me. I may end up doing some hunting with it as well.

[@firstjohn3123]

The higher sectional density of the heavy bullets tends to penetrate deeper on larger animals. Doesn't matter on deer much, but when game gets big & heavy, or like in Africa where the animals tend to be leaner (less muscular fat), the longer (& heavier) for caliber drive deeper. Fast & light only goes so far...(just my experience, yours may be different). 120gr to 165gr copper TTX or such type work fine on deer/hogs/cow elk...But on bigger game, like bison, bull elk over 700# for instance, they might not carry through depending on distance. YMMV though.

[@michaelmeyers1827]

I wouldn’t have a problem with taking an elk with it

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Can't load 308 that heavy. Plus a short barrel takes the legs right out

[@taylormikesell9311]

I am curious why you chose to compare the 212gr. ELD-X to the 220gr. Interlock. Why not compare more apples to apples and replace the 212 with the 220gr. ELD-X instead? Twist rates?

[@guyminer3168]

To show two very different bullets. One very new with a high BC, vs the old standard which has been around for many decades. Went with the 212 because we had a lot of them on hand and knew without a doubt that they'd stabilize in the 1:10 twist barrels.

[@taylormikesell9311]

@@guyminer3168 Interesting. Seems to be more out of convenience then. Great video, lots of very in-depth information and testing that the average joe, like me, do not have the time/resources to do. I particularly enjoyed the the low velocity gel tests! It brought some needed closure to some unanswered questions. You guys do great stuff over there! If you’d ever consider, I’d be interested in the same data with the 220gr. ELD-X in place of the 212! Thank you for your time and effort in the video!

[@guyminer3168]

@@taylormikesell9311 - Thanks I may rummage around the shop a bit and see if there's a box of 220 gr ELD-X bullets.

[@rudyvazquez8230]

🙏🏼

[@michaelmeyers1827]

And it goes just under 2700 fps

[@duckwacker8720]

Bonded 165gr from a .308 and 06 will kill any moose or elk.

[@guyminer3168]

I typically hunt with 165's from my 30-06. Haven't taken moose yet, but elk, black bear, mule deer & pronghorn with the 165's worked great.

[@hakokiri3627]

165gr worked great on my Moose.

[@dvskane1808]

So, not trying to talk shit, but are you Hornady sponsored? There are much better bullets for what your talking about. Federal terminal longe range, and terminal ascent, both offer way better performance and ballistics. Just saying. A 308 terminal ascent will perform out to 800 yards. I agree 30-06 for the win. But again a terminal ascent at 175 grain beets the eld-x. I’ve heard eldx’s blow up on low range impact. Every hunter I know who shot them, changes to another bullet. I agree any bullet placed right does the job, so this is a huge argument. Yes you can kill a moose with a 6.5 with a good shot, but really??

[@guyminer3168]

We try to spread it out. Have had articles & videos featuring Barnes, Berger, Berry's, Hornady, Sierra and Nosler bullets. Probably some more that I'm forgetting.

[@jamespmullin21753]

300 Weatherby can do anything for hunting that the PRC can do.The PRCs would not exist if there wasn't a craze of tacticalnuts all wanting to be 1,000+ yard fantasy snipers.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

Bingo

[@joshjamesguitar]

Well this is a fudd comment if i've every seen one, it exists because there's a huge trend in long range shooting and competitions going on. The .300PRC is popular along with .300 Norma for 1 mile and 2 mile competitions. .300 Weatherbuy is not even considered for that stuff, and for good reason.

[@jeffwilliams3436]

@@NCWoodlandRoamerfound the other fudd 😂

[@Ntmoffi]

Full stock rifles are just candy to my eyes.

[@guyminer3168]

I have loved that particular rifle since I was a child. Because of it, I have always had a soft spot for full-stocked rifles.

[@garytreat1910]

+​@@guyminer3168

[@tylarhaugan7908]

For me 308 and 300 prc what i prefer. When i get do long free bore and 1 in 8 1 in 9 twist in my 300 win mag using 210 barnes lrx

[@stevenzagrodnik7243]

Should try 300prc with Berger 245gr Elite hunter bullets 8 twist Shilen Select Match ss bbl. Shot this combo @1680yds on steel buffalo. Very accurate and plenty of retained energy.

[@Liamisdead99]

Try a 300 Norma with 250 atip at 2900fps at 2000😏, nice setup tho in all seriousness

[@tacticalrabbit308]

Would love to see what velocity you get out of a 308 win fast twist with a longer barrel, everyone compares 308 to other cartridges and then shoots them with different barrel lengths. They compare 6.5 creedmoor to 308 win and then shoot them with with a longer barrel on the 6.5 creedmoor and you guys are doing it in this video with the 30-06 and 300 prc. .

[@davecollins6113]

You may have missed the point, he is illustrating what those two bullets do at different speed levels and the difference between them, not so much how fast that a cartridge can drive a certain weight bullet. What you are asking, is predominantly irrelevent to the point of the vid, as his gun will be different than yours, even if they both had the same barrel length.

[@tacticalrabbit308]

@@davecollins6113 and I still want to see a fair comparison.

[@loopeyshooter503]

@@tacticalrabbit308 me too.

[@joshjamesguitar]

At equal barrel length the 6.5CM just outperforms ballistically the .308 anyway.

[@robertagusti3712]

a 308@@joshjamesguitar with 24 in with 1:10 it wll be the best combination with all new powder and bullets conbination with much les recoil.

[@georgedreisch2662]

Y’all made me feel way better, once you stated that there was commonality between the .300WM and .300PRC. I was feeling 33% alienated, till then, as these are my three calibers of choice. I’d be interested in seeing y’all do a “review” of the old -03-A3 family, and sporterized variants. A -03-A3 build might be interesting.

[@thereloaderscloset9096]

Looking at your Varget load on the 308 is interesting. I get 2470fps with Accurate 4064 and the 212 eldx on a 26 inch barrel 1/10 twist 308 win.. I just don't know how temp stable it is. It produced subMOA groups past 600yrds. Looking at Varget might be a better option if I get the same accuracy. Also what your explaining in the vid is the reason I went to the 212 ELDX for my 308. It makes a huge difference in down range energy with that heavy bullet. I also heard someone running the berger 215s and had impressive results form the little 308.

[@guyminer3168]

200+ grains is a lot for the 308 Win, but it will work!

[@SamuelBerryhill]

Great video y’all I would like to see results though of a longer barrel 308 with 1/10 or 1/8 twist I understand the concept in Gavin’s short barrel 308 but to me any 308 shorter than 20 inches just cuts the legs right out from under it.thanks again and y’all keep up the great work God bless

[@seantell-iv5mq]

Well it’s game time. New goal for the year is to start reloading. Turn off the trash tv and find podcast like this. I wish I could find somebody like you locally to learn from in person. Until then the videos are more than enough!

[@michaelmeyers1827]

I like my .308 with 168 grain boatails

[@guyminer3168]

That is a great and classic combo. Most of the game I've taken with the 308 or the 30-06 was taken with a 165 gr bullet.

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

Good content I appreciate your work. I think comparing the 178 ELDX and the 212 ELDX in those cartridges would be very interesting to see if the lighter round helps the 308 and 30-06 hang in there with the added velocity.

[@guyminer3168]

I used the 178 ELD-X in January for a cow elk at 405 yards. It did really well, but I got to thinking that maybe the 212 would have done even better? I don't know... I got some very good accuracy & velocity from max charges of Ramshot Hunter and the 178 gr ELD-X.

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

@@guyminer3168 Thx 👍

[@ScaleModelAlberta]

I pretty much just use conventional weight bullets in an all-copper bullet like a Barnes TTSX and have great penetration and accuracy at the ranges I hunt.

[@guyminer3168]

That's another great alternative. We've covered the Barnes TSX and TTSX a bit, but not enough. Working on more stories about those all-copper bullets.