The State of Class B Campervan Quality | The Good, the Bad and The Ugly

How to spot quality in class b campervans.
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Whether you're paying $60k or $160k for your class B motorhome, you should expect a quality build. In this video I showcase the differing levels of quality assurance that I experienced while visiting dealerships. Quality is defined as: The fit and finish of the product, the types and name brands of components and the level of quality control exhibited when the product leaves the factory and hits showroom floors.
The level of quality varied greatly from manufacturer to manufacturer but surprisingly the least expensive campervans where not necessarily the lowest in quality. Travato by Winnebago is a lower cost camper van but in many ways it exhibited as high and in some cases higher quality than a much more expensive product from Roadtrek.
Even the luxury/premium brands like Airstream and Pleasureway also wrestle with quality although those brands tend to exhibit a higher level of fit and finish and quality control than other manufacturers.
Before you buy you next RV, watch this video to better understand how to determine for yourself the real quality level of the campervan you're considering. After all a class B campervan is one of the more expensive purchased you will make in your lifetime. You deserve the best!
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[@martindryan]

I would never have looked at rvs the way u do.I would not have seen those terrible errors and I would have been impressed with all the shiny gloss and electronics . U savd me a fortune and gave me a new skill set and education.. Im grateful. Thanks

[@Ultramobility]

John, I'm glad you've found my channel helpful! That's the whole reason why I'm doing it. I didn't have a channel like this when I purchased my first RV and I made a costly mistake. I want to share my experiences and what I've learned so that others can avoid the pain and cost of making mistakes when purchasing your first RV. Thanks for your comment!

[@jerrymatthews2954]

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[@terrywall985]

Shaming the manufacturers, hoping they improve, encouraging them to build better, pointing out the flaws of their units, complaining to dealers, moaning on forums, NONE of it will do one iota of good. They are happy pouring out cheap crud because their is no PENALTY for selling crap. Only a nationwide FTC enforced lemon law will provide this type of guarantee with resulting improved build quality over time. I tire of folks who just poured big bucks into a new unit with sloppy defects, water systems that leak, doors and cabinets that don't close, coverings that are already coming loose, just about anything, sighing with acceptance that "it's a new RV and it's to be expected". In the USA! In desperation, I'm hoping the younger millennials who are starting to buy the smaller units, and who gripe easily, will lead the charge for major reform in the RV industry. Because us old timers just wring our hands and warn "it helps to be handy." Start with holding the manufacturer responsible for EVERTHING in the unit including the chassis. Does Ford tell you the sound system in your new car was built by Sony and you need to contact them? Why does a new RV even come with a bushel basket full of mfg's warranties. Holding the manufacturer responsible for everything will put pressure on their suppliers to improve their products. It will bring new companies into this sector currently shut out by the monopoly of a couple. The RV manufacturers spend good money fighting every proposal for a lemon law. Only buyer pressure will force change.

[@Ultramobility]

Well said Terry. Well said. My humble opinion is that the buck stops with the buyer. Buyers need to stop buying these Rvs. It's as simple as that. Stop buying them and either the manufacturers will change or go out of business.

[@heidigib01]

Terry Wall Amen

[@recordingmastering]

Right on Terry. Your line, "Because us old timers just wring our hands and warn "it helps to be handy." is so spot on. I don't how many times I've read that on various forums & Facebook sites. Either that, or "what do you expect, it's a home on wheels." ??? Well, that's just it, it's on wheels and needs to be built "for the road." Shockingly bad quality, with no oversight at all.

[@reginacarmel]

Found a nifty KZbin site you may also find interesting. Under the name, “Humble Road,” a former professional photographer is traveling the country in his Pleasure Way, upgrading to his needs and wants, and humorously but adeptly sharing his skills and thoughts. He’s a bit of a smart-aleck Northeasterner (a “home-boy) with dry sense of humor and gentle ways. This is the fellow with whom you want to sit and while away time while learning good, practical info. He has added a specialized, home-made screen door, bicycle and storage carrier, replaced kitchen sink with one larger and more useful, etc. Very innovative. As he takes apart his PW, constantly comments on how well it is put together. Hope you find and enjoy.

[@Ultramobility]

rcarmel, I love the way you participate on this channel. Thank you! I am going to check out his channel. Always looking for new and interesting channels about everything and anything RV related! Many thanks again.

[@dlg5485]

I've been watching Humble Road's videos since the beginning. He's one of youtube's best contributors and he is the very best 'van dwelling' contributor on this site, hands down, so do yourself a favor!

[@philiporourke7896]

I totally agree with you, there is so much crap in the RV industry. I've even seen some badly built Airstreams. What really bothers me, are the prices their asking for this junk. Pleasureway and Phoenix Cruisures, Oliver in Nashville, Tn are about quality ,the latter being a trailer.

[@misterhlam]

Ultramobility, thank you so much for the meticulous reviews of the flaws and low quality cabinetry assembled by big rv manufacturers...It's about time they open their eyes and fix their quality problems. That is why I am looking at Coach House brand and think their quality is a notch above the big guys.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, nonnom. Thank you very much for your comment. I hope that this video serves to help advance the state of quality in the class b segment of the RV industry. Higher quality will ultimately mean more buyers and more people to enjoy the RV lifestyle and all it has to offer. Coach House is a great brand and I'm glad to see you're being meticulous in your search. Do keep us informed with how your search is going. I know other viewers would appreciate hearing about your experiences. Best, Neil

[@jeandunow7794]

Just bought a used Coach House for these reasons. Visited their factory in Nokomis, Florida and their design and craftsmanship are second to none.

[@Ultramobility]

Jean, thank you for sharing. I know our viewers will find your experience helpful. If you feel like it please let us know what exactly makes you feel comfortable with the craftsmanship?

[@jeandunow7794]

Hello Neil, After a lot of research, my husband and I found much the same poor quality as you have from the major RV manufacturers. We stumbled on to Coach House because their RVs looked more aerodynamic than any of the others. They are still a small family owned company. Their RVs are expensive, largely built to order and you'll wait several months after you order before receiving your unit. Touring their factory is a must; you get to see the assembly up close. The one piece fiberglass shell is amazing- strong and not prone to leaks. Their slides are hydraulically actuated and very reliable. Materials used throughout are light weight and high quality. Insulation is the best we've found and with tank heaters our RV can be used year round. I could go on and on. No, I don't work for Coach House, or receive any incentive for this review.

[@Ultramobility]

Jean this is such a great experience thank you so much for sharing with other viewers I know that they will find it useful as I have it sounds like coach house is just a fantastic manufacture of custom RVs. I’m going to have to check them out further and maybe do An episode on them!

[@tracy3066]

I also got lucky and the CEO of Roadtrek invited me to his factory when he saw I was looking to find a way to make my Roadtrek a mobile office on wheels. I went there and he pulled out my power sofa and put in 2 power sofas side by side. That created a way for me to have a permanent twin bed on the drivers side. Then he installed a table that has a pull out desk on the other side of the back Of my van that I will use for my office! I wasn’t charged anything for these mods. The CEO just saw my comments on a Facebook page and he said come on down I will help you! I don’t know to many CEOs on Facebook and especially ones who jumps in and answers questions from owners! I just want people to know that every Roadtrek owner doesn’t have the issues you had with your Roadtrek.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, that's why its important for everyone to share their experiences on this channel. I don't pretend to have all the answers and certainly not the only answers. I can only share my experiences but yours are as valid as mine! It's really nice to see Jim do this for you and certainly speak highly of him personally. Truly though I wish they'd spend more time on quality control for the benefit of all their owners and for themselves. Thanks for sharing!

[@samanthamariefreeman335]

THANK YOU, so much!! I am in the beginning stages of downsizing into vanlife, and this is so valuable. Thank you, again.

[@Ultramobility]

You are so welcome!

[@AndrewIsaac]

Thanks for another great video. I’ve been researching RVs for a while now and I’ve been totally amazed by the lack of quality in what’s available...at all class and price levels. It’s one of the reasons that we have yet to pull the trigger on a vehicle; I just can’t accept spending that type of money for poor craftsmanship. It gets much worse when you look at what’s available in the travel trailer and even the Class C market where there are a lot more vendors focusing on price conscious customers. I know there’s no such thing as perfection, but the things you see on dealer lots is appalling. When I first started looking into RVs about a year ago, I watched a lot of KZbin videos on advice for first time buyers. One point seemed to come up in every video; “Expect your new RV to be back at the dealer regularly for repairs”. That definitely gave me pause. It seems like the RV industry is stuck in the era of the old American auto industry. American cars were notorious for their poor build quality, but for the most part, have grown out of that in order to keep up with the competition. RV makers have no real incentive to improve quality; RVs are a niche market and top quality Canadian brands like Pleasure-Way and Leisure Travel Vans are not mass market manufactures. They’ll never be able to pump out their high quality products at the same rate and price as the others so we should continue to see this type of poor quality for some time to come.

[@Ultramobility]

Andrew, great points you make - all of them. I too am appalled at the state of quality in the RV industry as a whole. As I mention in the video I don't think buyers like us expect all RVs to be Ferraris but we do expect a minimal level of quality which sadly is missing from many products. My hope in doing videos like this one is not to make anyone feel bad about their RV purchase rather to get the RV manufacturers to realize there is a problem and it is affecting people from pulling the trigger. My hope is that manufacturers like Pleasure and some European makers will help to drive competition and force the large manufacturers to up their ante. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts. Keep us informed on your journey! I hope you will find the perfect RV for your lifestyle!

[@ChristianTravelers]

That was an amazing quality video! While not a Class B, we did own a 2015 Pleasure-Way Prestige (B+/C) that did have some issues. The fabulous-feeling thick cushions did not wear very well on the outside. The door stays, while adjustable, needed constant adjustment. We went from that to a Winnebago and agree with your comments almost entirely. We visited Pleasure-Way in Saskatoon and we did find an amazing dedication to quality and customer service! Winnebago tries to do a similar thing over a relatively huge product line and succeeds more than we would have thought.

[@Ultramobility]

Good to know about wear on the cushions. Thanks for sharing!

[@brimstonefondue]

This video makes me love my 24" Lazy Daze class C even more. Lazy Daze in California (not to be confused with the rv dealer Lazy Days!) have been putting out a quality built product for over 50 years.

[@Ultramobility]

BrimstoneFondue, thank you for sharing! What do you appreciate about your Lazy Daze Class C? Which model to you have?

[@brimstonefondue]

Also, Thor industries bought Airstream a few years ago and I've heard complaints about the build quality of the newer units because of it. Airstreams are still nice, just find a decent used one that was made before the sale to Thor.

[@Ultramobility]

Have not been impressed with Airstream's quality. Please see Smedsters channel for an indepth review of his 2017 Airstream Interstate. It just seems like Thor is resting on Airstream's laurels. Really too bad for Airstream.

[@brimstonefondue]

I've got a used '97 on the Ford E350 chassis, it's 23.5', and I round that up to 24 for the bike carrier on the back. It's the smallest one, and affectionately known in the Lazy Daze forums as a 'baby daze' because of the size. I love it, it's easy to maneuver and park in the city, which is important to me because parking can get tricky in urban areas. I looked at new and used class B's when I was shopping, and I found a lot of the same problems you did with build quality. I'm always amazed that a manufacturer will put something with obvious flaws like that on display, it always makes me wonder what mess I'm not seeing behind walls, etc. After shopping around and going to a few RV shows I figured out that a B was just a bit too small, since I'm eventually planning on going full time. I'm in southern California, so I'm used to seeing Lazy Daze on the road out here. Once I started looking into owning one I found a lot of things that I liked. #1 is build, these things are built with screws and glue and you will literally have to dismantle the cabinets/couches and remove them in pieces if you do any remodeling. Even the handyman I had helping with the remodel remarked on how well everything was put together. Another thing that sold me was the fact that Lazy Daze have a very active owners forum (started by Lazy Daze owners, not the company) and you can find the answers to any questions mechanical and otherwise with ease. I like having that sort of information available. Lazy Daze tend to hold onto their resale value better than other RV's as well, and one in good condition can sell within days of posting. I hunted almost a year before I found a used one to my liking, because they sell that fast. Part of the reason for this is the way Lazy Daze handles sales of new vehicles. If you want a new one you put your name on a list, and wait anywhere from 12 - 18 months. They are built to order, they don't have dealerships, they are factory direct. So if you have to have a Lazy Daze and you don't want to wait, used is your only option. I could go on and on lol. LD owners have been likened to a 'cult' because we're very loyal. It doesn't help that we frequently refer to the LD factory as the 'mothership.'

[@Ultramobility]

Really nice to hear your experience. I'm glad you're happy with your rig! Sounds like you did your research and found the one that fits your lifestyle and use cases. Well done!

[@Primogen1]

Another awesome video. the quality issues that you have brought to light are very important and need to be taken seriously by the manufacturers as well as the buyers. One thing I do want to address is even a $60, 000 camper van is a lot of money to spend on a camper van. it may be what is considered the lower end of the spectrum but $60, 000 is still a lot of money and these manufacturers need to give people a lot for their money no matter what price point they are buying at. I absolutely love your videos I have so much knowledge now that the first RV salesman I deal with better be ready for me. Thank you so much for your work.

[@Margaret-1661]

Another great video and I loved that you actually showed the poor workmanship. It’s one thing to read about quality fit and finish but another thing to see actual problems with your own eyes. The more I look and learn the more I’m convinced PW is the best choice for me.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi tuckered out thanks for your comment. Yeah I figured it would be much better for people to see with your own eyes the quality issues that I ran into. I’m glad you found the video useful!

[@kimonogatos]

Thank you! I don’t own a Class B yet, and quality is one reason why. I expect my home on wheels to be a quality build, like my circa 1915 house. Both may need maintenance, but a good foundation will last a very long time. I’m interested to hear more about Coach House, as Advanced RV is probably out of the question for most buyers.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Kimonogatos (love the name)! I'm here for your Class B journey! I'll definitely have to research more about Coach House and do a video on them. I am getting a lot of interest from viewers about them. Also, Advanced RV although they are a custom build house. Thank you so much for your comment and sharing your thoughts!

[@mstastka]

Ultramobility This now opens a door that I am seeing. I saw a custom builder from Texas at the Tamp, FL RV show that had custom built class "B's" built on Sprinter vans with solid wood and all wood construction very compatibly priced around $105l. With the quality issue being so prominently, I'm wondering if that is an avenue worth checking out?

[@htee3324]

Ultramobility how do you feel about buying a used Roadtrek or Hymer that promised a warranty, but now the company is bankrupt and not honoring their warranty

[@klwthe3rd]

I worked in the quality assurance business and the reality is that corporations DON'T want us technicians to find and correct the issues. Why? We were just employed as props to make the company look like they care. It's very sad. It's so bad I had to change careers because no matter the corporation or business, they were all the same.

[@alanmay1945]

Yes quality is very much an important aspect, of any product, and I think worth paying for; ' A thing of beauty is a joy forever'. This is a very good video, realising quality is a subject in itself.

[@Ultramobility]

hi, alan. you said that right. unfortunately many RV manufacturers have gotten down to a science how to fool potential buyers into believing that their product is high quality when in reality it isn't. I'm hoping this video helps people look for the tell tale signs of quality (or lack thereof) and helps to burst the reality distortion field some RV manufacturers are creating.

[@J.Artan6]

I really enjoy your videos and I’m soooo close to getting my 59g, I appreciate your insights for being informative and not too much like a sales pitch, happy travels !

[@Ultramobility]

thank you very much Edward!

[@mstastka]

You my friend have opened my eyes so much as to what to look for and the differences in manufacture builds it is amazing. You have to be an analytical engineer because of your detail and it is most appreciated. After subscribing to your channel only a short time ago I was armed with questions and what to look for when I went to the Tampa, FL RV show. There were 10 dealers there displaying class "B" motorhomes. I think the most disappointing out of all was some of the quality (as you say in this video) for the money. Since you owned a Roadtrack before you know and have pointed out in the last couple videos that they can add almost every option there is out there, but is the quality worth the $178,000 price tag they had for the E-track on the showroom floor. They were pushing that down my throat on the last day for $150,000 but after watching your videos I just didn't feel the quality would be there after I bought it. The most disappointing I think was the German made HYMAN. For my purposes as a mobile office and wk end camper it has the best layout out there but I was expecting the German company to have a quality built machine, but I felt that the Winnebago was built just as well for $20k to $30k less. Love your posts and look forward to them. Thank you for all that you share with us that are looking to buy a class "B"

[@Ultramobility]

Mike, really nice of you to say those things. Thank you. I am so happy to hear that you're finding my channel valuable and that it is helping you in your RV search. Rving is a lifestyle and the RV you eventually choose you will want to fall in love with. I think you're doing the right thing by taking your time to see, learn and explore. Regarding Hyman, do you mean Hymer? I haven't heard of Hyman. Best, Neil

[@pedrogarcia4140]

Doing a live Q&A will be very popular. Earlier today I watched a Q&A show by the Russos, they are van life vlogers. There were some good technical questions & opinion questions. There were more questions than time would permit. They promised to make the Q&A show a regular monthly show.

[@balahmay]

I have been following you all along and I appreciate what you are doing. I've owned a couple larger rv's and a smaller Winnebago. No more of that for me. I want an RV for two and I want it to be a multipurpose northern climate all year use vehicle. (hopefully less than 20 foot length--Is that asking too much?) The high cost and the low quality are a couple of things holding me back. We can all easily do the numbers, but I like to think of the cost in some other unit of value. Like lets say full size 4WD extended cab 3500 class diesel pickup trucks. One of these vans somehow represents more value than 2 maxed out full size pickup trucks! (or 4 small ones) Really? OK, I guess they somehow do. If I am going to accept that, then I want lots of uses out of it. And that gets to what really holds me back. Now this is just my opinion, OK, and maybe I'm a little out of the norm. But to me it seems that use of the space in the back and through the (expensive) doors on the back could be more efficient. Maybe not needed for many, but it is what I am wanting. When I said multipurpose vehicle, I meant for example I might want to put a couple folding e-bikes in there for when I go traveling, or be able to deal with hauling some goodies home from an auction or a trip to pick up a few things at a lumber yard, or whatever. I don't see how that can work with most designs because access through the back is pretty much blocked. To me it suggests designers thinking in two dimensions instead of three. Or maybe just being in the habit of doing things one way. So when I filter through the choices, I agree that Pleasureway gives me a top quality impression. Things inside are generally located where I think they should be. It all looks very well done. My wife is in love with the look inside of yours. But for me they don't give that extra utility I want in the back. They also are a little slow to adopt some tech. For example, I don't want to have a propane refrigerator in an RV ever again. And I say that as someone who has his own propane fill station. Can't I at least have a compressor refrigerator as an option? They have the lithium battery and the solar. So I don't get it. There are a few class B choices that come close for me and you can probably guess which I mean. The Paseo, the Crossfit, the Activ, and the Revel. I think these all have compressor refrigerators and they all have at least some access through the back. But the Ford chassis designs are longer than I want. The Activ I think is better for use of space in the back, but there are quality issues and the Promaster chassis exterior styling is .... well......., it is what it is. That leaves the Revel, so I was glad to hear from your answer to someone else that you may give us a report on one. I have not been able to see one up close myself. But of course I could see a lot about them on KZbin. I don't exactly fit the demographic they are going for with the Revel. But I certainly like its utility. Finally a couple factors I am thinking about are that we are not so far out from the new Sprinter design. So isn't that a consideration on purchase of any new Sprinter based rv at this point? It is for me. I also heard there were some teething difficulties with the Revel which is to be expected. So that is where I am at with this. Sorry if this is a bit long winded and thanks again for what you are doing.

[@Ultramobility]

I am definitely going to do a review of the Revel. Lots of interest in as am I. Regarding the 2019 chassis from MB: Dont' hold your breath. I don't expect to see any units built on this chassis coming out before 2019 or 2020. Additionally, we'll want to see how the first year shakes out. The 2019 model year is a major change from previous years. There is even rumor that they may move completely to gasoline here in the states because of all the diesel-gate stuff. That would be a major change in the engine design. I wish I could give you more advice but the best I can do is recommend that you keep looking and keep refining your use cases. What do you really, truly want in an RV? Be honest with yourself. Once this happens the choice will become clearer. Always here to help! Just comment and ask questions! Thanks for your comment!

[@homebuiltcamperdave5226]

Thanks. Your video captures what I found through the industry, and was the reason I built my own.

[@Ultramobility]

Dave, tell us more about your home built!

[@homebuiltcamperdave5226]

Ultramobility here’s plus. It’s a travel trailer. Been on the road for for 3 years and doing great. Needed a trailer for now as I need a pickup truck for work. Once I retire I’ll be Building out a class b.

[@homebuiltcamperdave5226]

Ultramobility you can find Picts of my built here. www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0vGgZLKuGmojt0

[@Ultramobility]

Fantastic! You sir are my hero. Talk about a true house on wheel. Well done. No better quality than when you build it yourself!

[@victoriabower7547]

I agree. Quality construction and assembly is important.

[@ameewiltsey2181]

Thank you very much for this. being a young teen fresh into adulthood, I can't afford anything but something like this 😂 you've helped teach me what to look for and figure out what's best for me

[@dlg5485]

You are so right about the horrible build quality of Hymer/Roadtrek products. I've been considering buying a RT for a while, but the quality holds me back. It's really an issue throughout much of the industry. This is the primary reason that I'm considering buying a Sprinter cargo van and doing my own conversion.

[@Ultramobility]

I'm really hoping they up their quality control. They are product leaders and could be the #1 company if they would up their quality control.

[@windsongshf]

Wouldn't be surprised if the industry thinks it can cut corners and charge the moon for these things since RVing is so popular these days, especially with many opportunities to work remote thanks to tech. It's a huge investment, so thanks for being a good watchdog! I wouldn't have never thought of so many things you've mentioned.

[@Ultramobility]

That's why I'm here windsongshf. I'm glad you enjoyed my video and thanks for subscribing!

[@billyjohnson2871]

thanks for putting out this video. I'm gonna buy a class B RV at end of this season

[@Ultramobility]

billy, you won't regret it!

[@marykaylayman1078]

We had a 2014 PW Ascent and we loved it. We needed up buying a 2018 PW PL-FL about 6 weeks ago and have been using it for the last 2 weeks on a trip South for a much needed break. We have had some problems like the cabinet door came off the hinge and the screw and magnet pulled out of the bathroom door. These are easy fixes but...the Awning was a big problem, it was very sensitive so it would just retract constantly, then....we went to try one morning thinking it was a beautiful sunny day on the ocean and as it was going out it sounded weird and then it over extended one arm, hubby pushed the arm back but it would not retract so....he pulled out the crank and began to hand crank it, it sounded like the gears were stripped, he got about 6” to the end and it started to open on its own and fully extended itself. The awning people were nice but of course nothing they would be able to do, we called PW and the guy was pretty much arrogant but on the second call he was much better. We realize that not everyone understands how things work but my hubby is a pretty competent fella and he would never be rude, all he wanted was to be told how to disconnect the awning so it would not roll out on our journey home. We are still on our maiden voyage but will be home in a few days. The awning is disconnected and tied with heavy duty plastic ties. It is sad we have to sit in the sun and stay in when its raining but I do believe PW has the best quality when you really look things over. We won’t be out on any other long voyages this year be cause we run a small farm and we are tied down most of the year except for day trips.

[@Ultramobility]

Mary Kay thanks for sharing your experience. Yikes, I'm sorry to hear about your problems. I do know that PW moved to the Fiama awning in 2018 so I wonder if that has anything to do with it. I hope the PW fixes all your problems. Keep me in the loop!

[@nathanhale5455]

Neil, you ARE the RV guru! Thank you so much. I am a RV convert thanks to you. Keep up the great work. God Bless🇺🇸

[@Ultramobility]

wow that's very kind of your Rocky! thanks for watching!

[@reginacarmel]

OK: another descriptor necessary for me. Elegance. That returns me to functional, beautiful design. The more I search, the more I narrow down my choices: quality, durability, elegance, function. A bed I can keep made up. Convertible sofas and dinettes are fine for the short run but living on the road? I suspect that would get old quickly. Other “would likes:” induction - because it’s safer and won’t heat up the inside. Quiet, which usually means tight structure and good insulation. Coach House seems to make that a high priority, with their one-piece frame and R-8 insulation. It seems quite well made and thought out. A quiet and excellent heating/cooling system. Reliability. I realize compromise is necessary. We return to your video on knowing who you are and what you want. Otherwise, the more I research, the more I remain fixed on Pleasure Way and Leisure Travel vans. Keep the information coming!

[@Ultramobility]

rcarmel, it is so nice to hear your thinking. You seem to be really critically thinking through everything - like you should! I'm going to have to dive deeper into Coach House. It sounds like they are going after the premium market which can only make things better all around. Regarding elegance - again spot on. ONe of the reasons why I choose the AScent with curved radius cabinetry is because I thought it looks very elegant and would age well. Good points and thanks again for sharing - keep it up!

[@reginacarmel]

One of the ironies of life is that the high point of something is often also its low point. Re: Coach House, have perused models from the 1990s through today and their look remains the same. Obviously, they’ve hit on something that works well for their customers and consequently, for them. They sell directly to customers with an attractive “get acquainted” package, something they can only do with confidence. I very much like that so much of their quality is unseen; i.e., in the one-piece shell, the completely enclosed outside storage, the total insulation. But.....it also seems a bit dated to me. Yes, that Euro roundness. No lithium batteries. Limited solar. So much is included in their mid-upper 100s price - both good and not so; if you don’t like the package, not sure it can be made a la carte. One can easily buy Coach House with full confidence (three year comprehensive warranty). Still does not tick all my boxes. Very picky here but feeling rather entitled when paying such a premium. Looking forward to your take. Perhaps we should all search for more custom builders? Isn’t there one with Sport in its name based in CA? Go well, Neil.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, rCarmel. There's Sportsmobile, I think that's who you're thinking of? They are a custom build shop. I like custom build shops but I'm an impulsive buyer and when I decide to pull the trigger I literally want to drive to the dealer, plop down a check and drive off the lot with my new RV. That's not always the best way to get what I want but I suffices my need for immediate gratification. If I were willing to wait then custom build is the way to go. No doubt.

[@reginacarmel]

Yes: Sportsmobile! Total empathize with wanting something now but you are hardly impulsive. In fact, you probably found what you wanted after long research and decided to no longer postpone. If quality was a primary goal, you have it and can feel satisfied with the choice. Is it perfect? What is? See the Humble Road site I alluded to in another reply. This fellow uses his PW as the basis for customizing. Nicely done site.

[@Ultramobility]

So true. I learned an expensive lesson purchasing my first RV only to find out that it didn't fit my needs. I didn't know what was important to me but quickly found out. When I saw the Ascent I knew immediately it was the right one for me and wrote the check. I want to share my knowledge and provide a place where others can share their knowledge and experience so that people don't make the same mistake as I did.

[@tracy3066]

I’m loving your videos though! I do agree that there is a quality issue out there in the RV industry. I’ve seen the issues myself on different videos on KZbin. I hope things get better but I’m worried about it. I hope the manufacturers will see that people are comparing all manufactures closely and start being more careful. If the word gets out there people are going to stop buying from the manufacturers who don’t seem to care.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, double plus thumbs up to this comment!

[@navasotatxvault]

The live session today was superb!

[@Ultramobility]

John O. Johnson Thank you so much I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@marcdsh6998]

Again a very useful video for a neophyte about to enter the RV world. Many thanks.

[@Ultramobility]

Marc, glad you liked it and find it useful! Thanks for your comment.

[@Judy-cm6kp]

My favorite video from you thus far. How many people will never buy as RoadTrek after watching this video.

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks, Judy. I hope is that RT will see and hear my reporting and take steps to improve their quality control. that's what would make me happy.

[@tradersato]

This topic hit a cord with my pet peeve on the entire RV industry here in the US. The American (general) buyer is not as particular in fit, finish or even functionality as perhaps a European customer. German brands of RVs and caravans are decades ahead in all these aspects. If you have seen a Dethleff, Hymer or Westfalia you can clearly see where every item is thought out for functionality, efficient design and overall quality both in materials and durability.

[@193322009]

We have a reliable, well engineered 2004 Pleasure-Way TD on a Ford chassis campervan. This is our 6th motorhome in the last 40 years. I'm a retired Human Factors Engineer (ergonomics) and I find the layout to be quite sensible. The quality of parts staying together was tested on a recent trip on highway 680 in Northern California, close to the bay area. The south bound slow lane in that area has not been kept up for many years (thanks to Governor Moon Beam) and it will shake the hell out of any vehicle worse than you can imagine. It's worse than a shake table! Our motorhome survived with flying colors. I wish that American RV manufacturers could build their RVs as good as the Canadians! However, I think that Coach House also does a great job.

[@Ultramobility]

thanks so much for sharing your experience and I am very familiar with 680 as I live in the bay area too! I can attest that my PW holds up just fine on the 680 as well as stretches of the 205 which are also terrible!

[@sasstewart1222]

Great video, all class b manufacturers need to see this!

[@itsalovelyride8559]

This has come a a great time for us. We would love a Pleasure Way, but it would have to be used. I would like to see a video and an analysis on how Pleasure Way or any of the others you mentioned hold their quality after some years. We want used, but not too old as technology is important to us. Thanks for your great critique on the RV industry.

[@Ultramobility]

Hello, ItsaLovelyRide (love the name). Glad you find my channel interesting. I will be doing a one year review of my Pleasure Way Ascent in an upcoming video. I'll talk about what I've learned, what I like, don't like and what is broken in the 12 months and 10,000 miles since I've owned it. You may find this interesting. Also, along the way I will continue to give periodic updates on my Ascent as it ages. I could also look into reviewing a used Pleasureway if I could find one of a dealer lot! They are hard to find.

[@JoelAlbert1]

Check out the. Facebook PleasureWay wannabes group. Lots of good information can be found. Best of luck

[@robertcoren7318]

Thanks for the suggestions as to what to look for and where to look for fit and finish quality.

[@Ultramobility]

No problem!

[@patd4u2]

I might be in the market for a class B, thanks for taking the time to inspect and post this video. I definitely will take my time inspecting the class B's I am considering. Sad to see the quality in some of these RV's

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Pat. I love my class b van and as long as you're aware and checking out the quality then you should be fine. Can't wait to hear how you're getting along in your search!

[@LOUD_NOVA]

😂😂😂@ 3:50 UGH! I come here for your honesty and you never disappoint. Thank you so much!! 🤣🤣

[@Ultramobility]

Dannie - glad you appreciate my honesty on these things.

[@peggybowles22]

Like every type of assembly, it's all about how quickly it can be made. Let's hurry up and get it made so we can get on to the next. If the product can't be made in seconds or minutes or hours it doesn't look good on paper. This carries on into some surprising products. Products that are made to save lives are put together so quickly that they never pass inspection the first time thru! It isn't about quality, only quantity.

[@Ultramobility]

Isn’t that the truth Peggy! You hit the nail on the head. It costs more money to actually perform quality checks and do quality work.

[@Ultramobility]

hmmmm. i don't know if this argument holds water. there are u.s. companies, many who are not only able to build the best quality products in the world, they are able to bank around $250B in off shore accounts. It does demonstrate that companies are able to build quality products and still turn a ginormous profit all while paying (or not paying) their taxes.

[@DavidHuffTexas]

Another good one. And your description of Winnebago definitely coincides with the one I got at an RV show a month or so ago in Dallas. Walked thru a Travato and, while it's a neat design, things just seemed kinda flimsy (e.g the thin masonite type material that made up the bottom of some cabinets I looked in). BTW, I don't know if you've ever encountered one in real life, but I'd enjoy hearing your take on the Class B RVs being built by the Canadian company Safari Condo. Got a FB friend who raves about his, and they seem to be a very "engineer driven" outfit (and also a bit eccentric, but not in a bad way - just seem to have a character all their own).

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, David. Thanks for sharing your experience! It is so great that everyone is sharing their different experiences. It helps us all. Yeah, I like Winnebago for what they are: a lower cost class b manufacturer. They do have good quality control but they necessarily cut corners in order to meet that lower price point. Buyers just have to understand this. I have indeed been inside a Safari Condo - remember, I'm from Quebec and they are located just a couple hours away from my former home town of Montreal. They are interesting: you need to purchase your own chassis from Mercedes and then have it shipped to them. They will then do a custom build out based on one of their layout floor plans. I toured one at an RV show in Montreal and didn't care for the quality. I opened a cabinet and the shelves were just laying on cheap plastic (or maybe metal) pegs stuck into the sides of the cabinet. This just screamed "RATTLES!" to me. I also don't care for the materials. I like a Corian counter top in the kitchen and not a laminate one and the seats were not the best quality - didn't look like they used memory foam. However, their price is excellent. I should have done a video tour while I had the chance in Quebec! Maybe I'll find myself back up there to visit and will do one!

[@DavidHuffTexas]

Cool, thanks. I knew you were from Canada, but I had forgotten the part about Quebec.

[@Ultramobility]

De rien mon ami!

[@CraigMacKay]

I completely agree with you. More people need to know about this so hopefully the manufacturers make quality a priority. I picked up my 2017 Roadtrek SS Agile last April and there have been many disappointments and I would not recommend others purchase one. I started writing a list of some of the issues but it is kind of extensive and depressing to think about considering this vehicle cost 150k and I don't feel you can depend on the manufacturers to make things right either. I give the support a 5 out of 10 considering they sometimes don't even bother to call back. Its pretty sad and I hope others avoid buying overpriced vehicles until the manufacturers deliver what they are selling. I have been through 2 new sprinter conversions in the past 2 years and I am thinking that if I get another I might just convert it myself. It might take a lot longer (maybe not) but at least I will make sure it is done right. Like you said I am not asking for a Ferrari, I just prefer my lights are screwed in straight in a 150k van. Thanks for your video!

[@Ultramobility]

Craig, so sorry to hear about your problems with your brand new Roadtrek SS Agile. That's a bummer. I can concur that I had many quality issues with mine as well. I had a 2014 CS Adventurous. Paid a lot of money for it and while Roadtrek was good at covering fixes timely and under my extended warranty it was still a disappointment to see as many issues as I did. Please feel free to share here some of your issues. It would be helpful for others to hear about them - if you don't mind!

[@CraigMacKay]

Thanks Neil. Here are some of the issues I have experienced. They range from minor cosmetic issues to pretty big issues. When I first picked it up, I noticed various fit and finish issues like ceiling lights not being screwed in straight to some not really being screwed in. Also there were multiple scratches in some of the wood surfaces that were later marked up with a paint pen. They even included a paint pen in the roadtrek bag along with a wrench and a belt for the underhood generator. It was not what I was expecting for something that is supposed to contain an owners manual which you actually have to download. But they didn't have the 2017 version of the manual when I purchased my vehicle. It is available now but still doesn't contain items like how to winterize when you have an alde heater. I had to contact them for that information. Other cosmetic issues include the poor work done on installing the induction cooktop. It has like a black sealant around the edges that is about a half inch wide and not applied in a professional manner. Another big concern when I picked up the vehicle was that I ordered the etrek package which provides many power upgrades and adds 20k to the price. One of the items is the eco trek 800 lithium batteries. Every time I have seen eco trek modules, it is always one eco trek switch for every 200 amp hours of batteries. Well mine only had one ecotrek switch for 800 amp/hr and I immediately told them that this looks incorrect and it would likely result in not taking delivery of the vehicle. They got roadtrek on the phone and assured me that it was 800 amp hours installed and that it was a new way they were configuring. I have not yet found anyone else with the same configuration. But I figured maybe it was a good thing, less switches to deal with. But I have also experienced issues with the house batteries where when driving all of the house power shuts off and it requires reseting the ecotrek to turn back on. One problem with this is if you don't keep an eye on things, the freezer might defrost all over the place. There still is no resolution for this issue but lately I have not been experiencing it so maybe it went away. Some of the other larger issues I have had are that the air conditioning stopped working about a month after purchasing it while I was in 100 degree weather. The dealer had resolved that after waiting a few weeks for a service appointment. Another source of issues has been the Alde system. Currently the diesel mode doesn't work. Also for others considering the Alde within an agile, it appears they do not install the in floor heating for the alde in all units which wasn't clear at the time of purchase since it is sold as in floor heating. Another fit and finish issue is the screen kit installation causes a gap in the top of the side door where you can actually see wires. It doesn't look very professional. Another recent problem I have noticed is water on the side door step when you take a shower. It doesn't seem to happen all the time like many of the issues I have had. Another problem I had was that the black tank valve would not close. Luckily the macerator has a valve on it. They had to replace the valve to fix that. Some other minor things like the cheap exterior shower valve was not installed properly and would shot water in all directions. Also, the fridge lock was not installed properly had to be fixed. It would open while driving. Those are the majority of the issues I have experienced. I apologize for the long message but hopefully it is helpful to someone. Thanks again and I look forward to checking out more of your videos.

[@Ultramobility]

Craig, thank you so much for sharing your experience. I'm sorry you've had these problems. All RVs have some problems after purchase but not to this level. I had similar problems with my Roadtrek. My refrigerator door would open many times when I took a corner. This is a design problem with the refrigerator they have chosen. I also didn't like the that ottoman cushions in the rear would fly around while driving because they are not attached to the base. The little button caps over the side wall linings were constantly popping off to the point where RT just sent me a bag full of them as replacements. I had a leak with my toilet and the instant hot water on the counter leaked. My power sliding door step went out and the TV in the back would unlock itself due to vibrations and fling around in the back while driving - another design flaw. These are all addressable problems by RT that have existed literally FOR YEARS. I don't understand why they don't fix them. Honestly, many of them can be fixed for very little cost. They have to decide if saving $100 per unit is worth more than the hit their brand is taking. I hope they're listening.

[@mjcubo2246]

Thanks for the introduction to some of the vistas and interesting spots out there. Makes me want to hurry up and get my Class B so I can drive out there. :-) Even more so, thanks for the revelations on how to better check the quality of the vans when shopping.

[@davidgabrie1302]

Nice video, I’m a few years away from buying a class b motorhome, and I’m also looking at probably a Pleasure RV, with about 2,000 miles on it. I could change my mind and buy new, but I know automobiles depreciate immediately once you take a brand new one out onto the streets from a dealership, I imagine it’s the same thing with a motorhome. In 2 weeks, my wife and I will be going to our first RV show, and this video has given me some ideas of what to look at when I attend the show. The question I have for you is that I’m wondering if there are some books that you would recommend to read before buying a class b motorhome, or any good magazines to subscriber to. I will be selling my condo and go full time in a RV, so quality is important to me, and I’m not very mechanical so a dependable RV is extremely important to me. Also I’m looking at how a manufacturer will offer support after the sale. Thank you for any help you are able to give. Dave

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, David. I wish I knew of some book or books that coud help you. One reason why I started this channel is because I couldn't find any good resources for people like yourself. There are some good forums like classbforum.com and sprinter.source.com you may want to check out. Also the user groups for PleasureWay and Roadtrek are good places to ask questions.

[@reginacarmel]

See if you can find Humble Road’s video on his visit to Advanced RV (by invitation, because of his own creativity). Will forward if I can find the way. Looking forward to your next video and going to stop distracting you from it!

[@Ultramobility]

working on it now! i normally have first cut done by today but have run into some challenges this episode (got a new gadget that I'm going to use in the following week's episode and it's been eating up my time.) gotta push tonight to get first cut done before heading into the weekend!

[@williamtierney9909]

Love Humble Road's videos, very informative.

[@reginacarmel]

There’s so much on RV-ing all over the Internet but sometimes, we are all really well-served with sites like Ultramobility’s and Humble Road’s. So appreciated. These are Big Ticket purchases, even used.

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks for the accolades, rcarmel. Much appreciated!

[@reginacarmel]

Yes; have seen. Love innovation and both George and ARV excel. So many copies; so few originals.

[@timothyjohnston9069]

I understand that it’s hard to build a house that you can drive down the road...but you’re right, some things are just inexcusable!

[@Ultramobility]

yep if you're going to build a house the drives down the road then build it so it isn't falling apart or don't build it at all.

[@tonynes3577]

Don't buy an "expensive" van is my take on the issue of quality. But thanks for the info! I will be more aware of quality when I go see these class B RVs.

[@jasontaylor3650]

This is another valuable video. Keep this kind of analysis coming. Thank you!

[@BethGreenTV]

Several years ago, I bought a Winnebago View, and the quality turned out to be terrible. The first year, it was in the shop more than on my property. The inflatable bed didn't inflate, the drawer under the bed flew open, the table fell down, there were electrical problems, the laminate peeled off the in the bathroom. This was not just cheap fit and finish. This was a disaster. That has made me afraid to ever buy a Winnebago again. So I'm surprised that you have not run into this. Maybe it was because that model was new. But it was a very painful experience.

[@edithp.7213]

I sure am glad I found your wonderful channel. You’re helping me immensely! Thank you!

[@Sandy-qv7ji]

Live Q and A would be great!

[@H.pylori]

Thank you so much for this video. I am a new subscriber as of today and have been looking for a class B RV for touring the southwest and weekend trips. I do not need luxury, basically a place to sleep and stow gear, and have a locked door at night to keep both human and animal critters at bay. I have been looking at 4 door Jeep Wranglers, minivans with flush folding rear seats, and now the Class Bs. I had no idea about quality and what to look for, and would have been disappointed if I had purchased a Carado advertised at $84,000 new. Seems as though with my budget, a used RV 2-3 years old with low mileage would be the best choice. Now to find that ideal used vehicle without having you there to help. Still looking....

[@Ultramobility]

r g used is the way to go. You'll get so much more RV for your money. Look for something with low miles and an extended warranty if you can find it. For you I'd say something with the Aktiv's layout or the Winnebago Paseo or Travato that allows you to store your gear in the rear. I wouldn't go with the bench seat in the back based on what you're saying. Just my 2 cents.

[@H.pylori]

Thank you, your 2 cents is worth thousands of $ to me.

[@pedrogarcia4140]

With all the new unit buyer complaints I've read about poor workmanship & poor dealer warranty service, I've decided to buy a used name brand B-plus or buy a Promaster and hire someone to do a build out. I want a large rear garage.

[@squirerad]

Great video. If only Pleasure Way makes a van with 4 captain's chair, I would buy it. Currently have an Interstate.

[@Ultramobility]

Ah yes. That is a dilemma with them. They primarily focus on couples I noticed. Most of their layouts are optimized for couples. Of course the Interstate is great and you can't really go wrong. Would you be willing to share why you are thinking of something other than your Interstate?

[@reginacarmel]

Thank you, Neil, for another thoughtful and informative video. And thanks to those who replied, from whom I also learn. Randomly: yes, live video would be interesting, albeit w/one caveat. It is distracting to watch a moderator be, well, distracted as s/he tried to monitor incoming questions/statements while trying to keep a train of thought. Unsure what to do about this, as it is a byproduct of being live. The perfect is the enemy of the good? Re: design....love what I see on European vans: sleek, functional. Seem well engineered although I’m seeing only video. However, there’s a reason German engineering is lauded. And we are speaking of many vans here made on Mercedes chassis. Have not paid enough attention to see how prices (in Europe) compare to the better vans here. And I know one cannot simply import a van made to Euro specs. Finally, have been following Advanced RV for well over a year. Quite impressive - and quite expensive. However, is something made well for the long run really more expensive than something that gradually falls apart and constantly needs repair/attention? I prefer doing whatever once and doing it right. Thank you for sharing knowledge with us. Safe travels!

[@Ultramobility]

rcarmel, thank you for your kind words and for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you vis-à-vis live video. I'm going to have to see if I can finagle a friend to help me with the questions as I answer them. Regarding European campervans: I too have only seen them in videos but they do seem to be of a higher build quality. Their prices are lower in many cases because they don't stuff a lot of our expensive components into theirs: rooftop air conditioning, generators, lithium batteries, solar panels, instant hot water heaters, microwaves, etc. RE: Advanced RV - of course I love them. They are from Ohio which is where I was born! They make a great custom RV and you're right they have a very high build quality as one might imagine.

[@reginacarmel]

Neil: Agree re: Euro, esp. a/c! However, for us, on the other side of the Pond, such utilities as lithium, solar, Truma, microwaves, have become basic equipment rather than luxuries on high end RVs. Wonder where the sweet spot is. Meanwhile, have been researching Coach House, a new manufacturer for me. Intriguing. Otherwise, not yet ready to comment. Am comparing to Advanced, as both are custom. Am a sucker for innovative, functional design.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, rcarmel. Are you in Europe? Admittedly, I'm not fully up to speed on the European market but I love the campervans there. I spend a lot of time on KZbin virtually touring them and can see, even from just videos that their build quality is higher than here in North America. There is a few campervan manufacturer out of Quebec, which seemed to have higher build quality and a more European campervan look to them. Here's one: www.new-west.com/evazion-anglais

[@reginacarmel]

Thx, Neil. I’m Stateside now but have lived abroad. Like you, I virtually visit Euro vans via KZbin. Went to the Quebec site you cited; will spend some time reading. One of my primary filters is full-timing, including in colder climates. That eliminates many vans intended strictly for recreational use. Am wondering, now that these vehicles seem to be all the rage, is quality even worse than it may have been a few years ago, when suppliers/manufacturers had more time put out their products? Another tradeoff: quality vs. looks/gadgetry? And another reason for making the first venture a high-quality, lightly-used van (if one can find such)? Meanwhile, the immersion education continues.

[@Ultramobility]

rcarmel, if you're considering a 4 season van then you've got a couple good choices: Winnebago makes 2 models that are all-season. The very well received Paseo and the Revel. The Paseo is built on the Ford Transit chassis and the Revel on the Mercedes Benz. Both are all weather: interior plumbing lines, interior fresh water tank and heated exterior holding tank(s) and drains. You could also consider the Travato which is not rated as all season but does have interior plumbing lines and heated holding tanks. You may need to make a few modifications to make it completely all-weather in temperatures well below freezing.

[@tradersato]

The quality of the faux wood dash cover is not an issue of installation. It is an issue in the design of the attachment of said product. If you look at how the product is installed, it is done with strips of 3M gray double side foam tape. It isn’t laid to fill the whole back and I’m sure it is just left to the installer to decide on where it goes.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, Airstream should take better care to ensure that plastic applique stays glued. Many luxury brands have had this problem even in the automotive arena. Lexus has this problem with their faux applique.

[@tradersato]

Ultramobility, I think that those apliques have to be deemed an accessory or aftermarket application or else safety testing of each individual cover would have to be done by the vehicle manufacturer. As an aftermarket product it is deemed cosmetic embellishment that is not part of the vehicles structure. I cannot stand the glossy surface as it is a perfect mirror to the Florida sun many a days. I presume that a spray adhesive would work well but the issue of its permanence becomes another thing to worry about.

[@Ultramobility]

Yep, definitely an after market addon that Airstream adds to their Interstate models. Pleasureway doesn't do this. They keep the factory graphite dash cover.

[@billj7784]

When I went to the LA RV Show, I spent more time in the Carado Banff than any other B Class van. At six foot three the bathroom had me as soon as I stepped into it. I like the fact that it's open in the back leading to the bathroom. When you close the shower curtain your elbow can't stick out beyond the opening, giving you even more room in the shower toilet area. This is the bathroom for me. But the sleeping Arrangements can be improved on as far as I'm concerned. For sleeping Arrangements, I would put in a Murphy bed behind the driver side captain's chair, with a loveseat or two seats underneath it. When the Murphy bed is in the upright position you could have two more seats to sit in. Redesign the entire kitchen and refrigerator area. Get the refrigerator off the floor, you no longer would have to bend your back to look in it. There would be plenty of room to do that. And give a loft option. Well that's my fantasy van.

[@Ultramobility]

hi bill - thank you for sharing your experience looking at the Banff. I will have to review one based on what you say here.

[@lauralivingston7177]

My husband and I rented a roadtrex for 2 weeks in 2017 and the only thing good about it was the gas mileage and it was easy to drive. Other then that, it was basically a piece of junk. Within 3 days we had come up with a list of over 45 things that were either bad design or just poor quality. I feel sorry for anyone who actually purchased one of these. If someone gave us this RV, we would sell it ASAP and get a better quality vehicle. But, overall, we loved the classB experience! At some point, would you talk about the Winnebago Revel?

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Laura. Thanks for sharing your experience here on the channel! The Revel is definitely on my list for a review. Do you remember what year and model of the Roadtrek that you rented?

[@barbhayes5613]

I have not yet seen an Erwin-Hymer unit that did not have things falling down or put together badly. I wrote off ALL of those right away when searching for a new rig. I ended up with a Travato, and although I don't care for all their design choices, at least I don't feel it will shake apart going down the road.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Barb. Thanks for sharing your experience. That's too bad. The Aktiv's I've seen appear to be a bit better quality than Roadtreks but still they have work to do for sure. The Travato is a great van! Congratulations and let me know how you're getting along with it please!

[@harrisharris7379]

Totally agree with everything you said! Viewed a couple of roadtrek's recently and just can't bring myself to buy one as they are not well made at all. Now looking at coachman galleria's so I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on coachman as a brand and specifically the galleria. Thanks.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Harris. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and your question. I've been in a Galleria and liked it. I have a local dealer so I think I'm going to do a more indepth review. I'm getting a lot of great question from viewers about them. I think this speaks well for them. The more RV manufacturers that we have holding the quality bar higher, the better it's going to be for all of us!

[@sparkyneely]

What is your opinion on the Tiffin Wayfarer class c? overall!

[@mjs1374able]

Love your videos 😊 Keep up the Great Work!!! 😎

[@Ultramobility]

thank you very much - I will as long as you keep watching!

[@dancasey9660]

Don't confuse luxury with quality. Quality means no defects. You can have a low end unit, but it still should be designed to be defects free. Yes, its even worse to see a luxury unit with defects, especially when you pay that much money! Fit and finish is often an engineering compromise. Does it affect the functionality of item in question. Of course you would expect higher end models to have better fit and finish. There have been other videos of low end rv's that the fit and finish is so bad that they affect the functionality of rv in general, or they look so bad that they take away from the astetic value of the rv. These are items that should fall into the defect category because the could have been addressed in the design, procurement, and manufacturing stages. Companies need to strive for design for manufacturability and six sigma quality.

[@Ultramobility]

Right you are, Dan. Thank you much for pointing out that important distinction. Quality does not equal luxury and vice-a-versa. That's why I pointed out the quality issues with both Pleasureway and Airstream and also praised the lower cost Winnebagos for their top notch quality control. And that's another thing quality control does not equate to quality. It just means that there's a minimum level of control over quality. That level changes depending on the manufacturer. Good points and thank you for sharing.

[@youjin7026]

Thank you very much for another great info. I learned a lot, and I subscribed.

[@Ultramobility]

You Jin, thank you so much for subscribing to my channel and joining the community!

[@kimprocarione5473]

I just found your channel! Loving it!!! Great heads up! Thank you so much! Your newest subs riber- Kimothy and Hound Doggin Job

[@kimprocarione5473]

Hound Doggin Jo! stubborn phone! LOL

[@Ultramobility]

Kim, thank you so much for visiting my channel and thanks for your accolades! Welcome to the channel!

[@ryanschultz388]

Thank you for your great videos. We have also been looking at class b’s for quite a while and are for sure premium buyers as cheap build quality would be tough to overlook. Coachmen has made numerous improvements to the galleria for 2018.5 including a great lithium options. Wondering if you have seen one in person yet, and if so can offer your thoughts. Thanks again

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Ryan! Thank you so much for your recognition. As you can see from the comments I'm definitely getting a lot of questions about the Coachman Galleria. I did look at one recently but it seems that I need to put it on my list to do a more detailed review. I am planning a new series about campervan reviews so perhaps the Galleria will be one of my first reviews!

[@thomasdarby6084]

Thank you for this. I've been trying to decide between a Pleasure-Way Plateau FL and a Leisure Travel Unity. I saw another video by a woman who had a lot of problems with her Unity, major leaks during rain, extremely poor customer service, and difficulty getting parts. I'm still looking closely, but I think I've decided.

[@YourMajesty143]

Yeah it's bc of CreativityRV's review that I'd stay away from any slide-outs bc they're prone to leaking and I'd avoid the Mercedes Benz chassis that most RV manufacturers build on, since the parts are hard to get, mechanics don't always have the Mercedes-specific equipment to do the repairs, and there's a premium cost for both the repair & mechanic service. The Ford Chassis is by far the most reliable, with the Dodge Promaster having cheaper parts. There's other chassis you can look at besides those 2, but those are the most popular. Btw Leisure Travel Van does have the *Wonder Murphy Bed* Class B+ on a Ford Chassis, no slide-outs and plenty of space inside w/ loads of storage.

[@TSLAaddict]

You know, if they would include glue before stapling I would be OK with that. Using the staples to hold materials together while the glue dried would be OK. I'm assuming that they don't use glue and you are right, screws over staples especially in a moving home will only hold up for maybe 100 miles.

[@songexpress]

Almost 1K Subs... Congrats!

[@Ultramobility]

Hey, Jay! Arrrrrr, I gotta get there! Many thanks for the encouragement!

[@songexpress]

Your videos are awesome and Increase # of subs in short time shows! BTW: My daughter went grad school in UC Berkeley and she works in San Jose area now. I will be down in your area soon to visit her w/ my Roadtrek!

[@Ultramobility]

Nice! Travelling in style - where are you coming from?

[@songexpress]

Bothell, Washington (North of Seattle) and only 12-hours away! :)

[@AtlasRandGaming]

I think there is a happy medium in quality... I just priced out an Advanced Rv model and the price got up into the $270k range. Custom built is better, but may not be worth an extra $100k vs mass produced luxury.

[@Ultramobility]

that's a pretty steep premium to pay. i generally don't review custom builds because they are just that - once they are built they are sold to their owner. reviewing one isn't of much value to my audience since you'll never really be able to go to a showroom and buy it. plus like you say they are out of reach for most of us.

[@bf5420]

I really like your video regarding the quality of some of the camping vans. What is your opinion of the Advanced RV camping vans regarding Quality.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Robert. Lot's of questions about Advanced RV ... maybe they're sending people here lol. In any case, I think they're quality is high but that is expected since they are a custom build shop. I would expect their custom builds to be of the highest quality. Like them a lot - they're from Ohio like me!

[@bf5420]

Thanks!

[@gosman949]

This is why I haven't bought a RV yet. I have continued to see RV quality go down since the 2008 recession. Many went out of business, and the ones that have survived have cut their quality as demand has increased. I don't see it getting much better anytime soon. If you go on forums for Leisure Travel Van, Winnebago, Pleasure-Way, etc, you see quality issues being reported all the time. If you say something about why the quality is like this or question anything about the forum company, you get driven off the forum. People want to be satisfied with their purchase and will bury their heads in the sand for this justification. So until current and future customers demand better quality from the manufacturers and better service from the dealers, and back it up by not purchasing, things will never change.

[@Ultramobility]

It's a very good point you make. Some manufacturers are much better than others. None of them are perfect of course and it's important to keep in mind that these rigs are homes on wheels, complicated and subjected to tremendous stresses.

[@gobil5274]

Shame the Manufacturers a lot!! They will not change until the message gets out. Overkill the message.

[@Ultramobility]

Thanks for the comment Cosmo. I intend to point out whenever and wherever I find quality deficiencies. I hope the manufacturers will see this video and others. I really do.

[@PechatiClub]

Hi Neil ! Because of your excellent eye for details, may be you'll find time to make a video about new Sprinter 2018. Would like to have your opinion - is it good van for making RV self-conversion. I'll be appreciated for comparison with your current Sprinter experience . Thanks in advance, Neil!

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, there. I'm sorry I don't know your name. I would love to make a video about the new Sprinter 2018. I'll need to research more about custom builds and what if any of the changes between the model years might affect a custom build. Great question.

[@PechatiClub]

Hi Neil ! Sorry from my side to be impolite - my name is Ole. Look, I love Van conversion company that works with Sprinters in USA advanced-rv.com. I think - it will be nice to have video with your opinion ..

[@ddeangelis6156]

I am amazed that so many Class B Manufacturers have neglected to install entry hand grips at the driver and passenger sides.. front cabin. This feature should be standard. What good is a coach, if it is a struggle getting into it. The manufacturers should know better.

[@Ultramobility]

It's an excellent point. Many install hand grips on the sliding door but not in the cab.

[@badguy1481]

The rear inside light. above my doors, in the back of my Roadtrek Zion popped out. And I'm having a real problem getting it reinserted and reattached.

[@Ultramobility]

how new if your Zion? it should be covered under warranty.

[@philOKC]

Neil . . . Just reviewed this video in the wake of your most recent review of the 2019 SS Agile propane-less coach. Even though I really like the tech of the Roadtrek, the build quality, and fit/finish issues you point out with even the high end Roadtreks, has really turned me off to the SS Agile as a possible candidate.

[@Ultramobility]

the build quality of this particular ss agile was fine. i didn't see any of the problems that i've seen in previous roadtrek builds.

[@SBlockable]

And I salute you, and so grateful your out there talking about it so we can make a difference in what is given to us!! Btw, Does those gaps and fit and finish cause mice or other critters getting it? I would think so. What's your thoughts?

[@Ultramobility]

Sandra, those gaps on the inside don't but you can be assured that if you're seeing gaps like that on the interior there are gaps like that under the coach on the exterior where the coach builder likely hasn't sealed holes they've cut into the underside for plumbing etc. those holes in the underside can let critters in and they're a real nuisance.

[@Chefm4477]

Your Quality/Fit & Finish comments are reasonably correct and fair. However, has you pointed out in your video on the 4 types of buyers, you can't expect the same level of quality through out a manufacture model range. The Industry is producing the equivalent of Fast Food RVs. Having said that, there are some basic expectations that should be met, but sadly the RV Industry hasn't for a very long time! I would add one additional comment, and that concerns the Styling/Class, cheap cheap! The resurgence of the Class B market may have higher expectations when it comes the Styling/Class/Quality. If this situation sounds familiar, it should, just ask the USA Auto Industry, they lost a big part of their market to foreign manufactures that offered a better alternative! Manufactures like Pleasure Way and Liesure Travel generally are doing a better job and are offering a different style! I have even ask Hymer of Germany to sell me one of their models for a vacation in Europe and then ship it the USA, but they refused. BTW, the purchase price according to the one I saw on KZbin at a RV Show in Germany was actually less than a USA equivalent model.

[@Chefm4477]

One more thing! The DIY Class B Conversions that are all the rage is probably partially due to the above problems.

[@Ultramobility]

i agree that north American rv manufacturers can learn a lot from European rv manufacturers especially around design, quality and price.

[@richardrocco5155]

Really enjoyed this video, I learned a lot.

[@Ultramobility]

very happy to hear that Rick!

[@tradersato]

This topic hit a cord with my pet peeve on the entire RV industry here in the US. The American (general) buyer is not as particular in fit, finish or even functionality as perhaps a European customer. German brands of RVs and caravans are decades ahead in all these aspects. If you have seen a Dethleff, Hymer or Westfalia you can clearly see where every item is thought out for functionality, efficient design and overall quality both in materials and durability.

[@Ultramobility]

Westfalia in particular blows every North America RV manufacturer out of the water in terms of quality. Agree completely with you. Thanks for your comment and for sharing!

[@mstastka]

If I learned one thing from watching your utube posts it is how to look at the different models and what to expect. Unfortunately, I was expecting a lot from the HYMER and thought it was a more quality built coach. After going to the Tampa, FL RV show and looking at over 60 class "B" moterhome vans I was so disappointed in the quality of the HYMER that I didn't not consider it. I am really watching everything that Ultramobility posts for he is really an expert at what he is looking at and most of all honest no matter who the manufacture--even Pleasure Way. (They should hire him as their consultant for I am sure there are a lot of us that have now considered the Pleasure Way over anything else out there).

[@Ultramobility]

Wow, Mike that is very generous of you to say. I really love this industry and I love my viewers and offering help where I can. Owning an RV is a dream and so many people want to live that dream. I want everyone to have the best possible experience both before and after their purchase. Thank you again for your comment. It is appreciated!

[@charlevoix418]

Mercedes failed with Chrysler, I am afraid, the same will happen between Hymer and Roadtrek... It is almost impossible to produce real quality in North America: "Fair Enough" is their motto...

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Charlevoix418. It isn't impossible. Apple does it all the time as do many other companies. In the RV industry here Pleasureway does as do other like Coachmen and Phoenix Cruisers. The problem is that many still do not. Sorry, I just have to disagree with your statement.

[@kathleenfarrell]

Hi, nice to know I’m not the only one whose quality standards are high. With that said I agree these “high standards” should apply on every level, so its not always the material but the construction. I recently went to my first RV show here on the East Coast in New Jersey. I was soooo excited to see these vehicles that I have been researching for months on You Tube. I paid my $10 and entered the facility. The place was packed with family’s and different size rv’s which most had SOLD signs on them. My favorite is the Pleasureway Ascent but unfortunately they were not at this show. But I thought it was worth going and getting a feel of these vehicles in person. I was shocked by the size of some of them and dissapointed in the quality of most of them. I couldn’t imagine cooking and sleeping in any of them. I thought it would be difficult to do any quality of living without them quickly falling apart. I won’t give up my dream and look forward to seeing a Pleasureway Ascent in person one day. But I must admit, I started thinking it might be better to just buy a vehicle that would have room to sleep in when needed and spend the saved money on 4 Star Hotels. Cheers!

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Kathleen! Thank you so much for sharing your experience here on Ultramobility! I'm sure many other viewers will be able to relate to what you're saying and I must admit I laughed at your suggestion of saving money and staying at 4 star hotels - you know why? because you're right! You could stay at an awful lot of 4 star hotels for the price you would pay for some of their RVs. However, don't give up. I'm sure you will find what you're looking for. A class B van is about so much more than just the ability to camp. It's also about being independent. Sleeping in your own bed. Using your own dishes and waking up in a perfect place with a fantastic view that you found. Don't give up on the dream! I wish that I could make it out your way and go out with you to some dealerships! I would love doing that and helping you find the right RV.

[@mstastka]

Ultramobility Hi Kathleen: I have to comment here. I am a 4th owner of many class "A" motor homes starting back when you could buy gas at 50 a gallon, but because I had that experience nothing gives you the freedom or experience and the change to meet people traveling by mother coach. It is a lifestyle and one that is very rewarding. You don't look at this from a cost factor. Look at other KZbin travelers and their experiences and you wont' be able to do anything like it if you stay in a 4 star hotel :)

[@Ultramobility]

Couldn't agree more with this comment. well said.

[@reginacarmel]

Just sharing: am fine-tuning my research (online only; must get myself to an RV show!). Here’s the latest. The following have all been recommended as better quality. Lazy Days, Born Free, Nexus, Phoenix Cruiser. Each person’s list is subjective but I have excluded these as too truck-like for me, not just in looks but in handling. Now, if I were John Wayne.... Coach House: more of a possibility because of quality, location (I am in Southeast). Seems more van-like but, as with Leisure Way, am wary of slide-outs; i.e., the exchange of more space for one more possibility of malfunction. Coach House’s slide-out mechanism is pneumatic rather than electric. Unsure if that makes it better. Love Airstream’s styling but now that I’ve learned of quality problems, possibly due to Thor buyout of several years ago, am a bit soured. If one knows that from the start, why bother? The Gold Standard remains: Pleasure Way and Advanced. Love the styling and non-assembly line philosophy. Plus styling and innovation. Advanced apparently buys back their vans to refurbish/update to their standard. They rent and sell these. It’s a way of maintaining quality control and integrity of name. Finally, agree with you, Neil, re: guarantees. If the product is top-notch, why not a long term (5-6 years) warranty? I may have to find a way to live to 150 to afford Advanced but love the way they are recognized for what they do. Hopefully, that and customer demand will stimulate others to strive for a better product. Many more like me are at the stage of life where we have the time to satisfy our wanderlust but no longer the strength to repair/customize. The RV needs to be fundamentally trustworthy in order to inspire adventure. My ultimate dream? A world where it is safe and affordable enough to cross oceans in one’s own home, like a turtle. That’s another story....

[@Ultramobility]

Rcarmel, I love your ultimate dream! Wouldn't that be cool to have an RV/Ship hybrid! For inspiration see this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJKZZJ-qoLJ6fac My dream which will hopefully happen sooner rather than later is a self-driving RV. I'd love to be able to sit in the back with the rest of the family and watch a movie on our way to Yosemite!

[@reginacarmel]

Amphibious coach: astounding! Just love the innovation. I was actually just thinking old-fashioned shipping of vehicle abroad and then traveling over land, something as old as caravans (which, of course, is what motor homes are called overseas). Your dream is wholly realizable as self-drive cars are already being used experimentally world-wide. You could watch that flick en route to Yosemite. Here’s something else I thought of re: my previous comment of desirables: an all-electric coach. Propane still makes me uneasy. I know ARV is doing this, with solar and lithium batteries and I believe there is sufficient interest to make this one of those demands for the industry to satisfy. Here’s to seeing dreams become reality.

[@mahfah7911]

Please review Advanced RV in comparison to these bigger brands.

[@Ultramobility]

I could but they are a custom build shop so their quality is going to be top notch as expected.

[@beckyelliott2871]

If asked would you help people inspect a possible purchase of an RV IN PERSON? Do you have videos of step-by-step “how-to” installation of components of campervan construction? Are there cabinetry pieces that can be bought at Home Depot that would be the correct weight for the size van? How can I tell when what I want meets or exceeds the manufacture’s weight restrictions? I have financial limits and need only those minimal comfort items installed until my finances afford “small” upgrades.

[@flybyairplane3528]

New to your channel , by watching the Russo’s,,,, so have subscribed , an made a new listing so will save yours too, Thank you !

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Leighton Samms. Welcome to the family and thank you for subscribing! Did you see one of my videos recommended on the Russo's channel (love their channel by the way).

[@SongManxxx]

Great video. So far, my research for my first RV has led me to narrow down to Winnebago vs Pleasure Way. This video helped. I really like the way Winnebago has designed Class B RV's for my active life style (Travado 59G and Revel) for my 50's. But Imagine I would enjoy sipping a glass of wine in the relaxing lounge of my Pleasure Way in my 60's in an RV that will last into my retirement. So, I'm thinking of investing in a 59G or Revel now and trading in for a Pleasure Way (electric?) in 5-10 years. Thanks for your videos. Very helpful for me before and after I visit RV shows and before I go on the dealer lot to make the decision.

[@clarketurner2278]

You have done a wonderful review of the Coachmen Galleria since doing this video and your type of buyer video. Having first hand experience with Roadtrek CS where would you place Coachmen 24T in fit, finish and quality compared to Roadtrek?

[@PechatiClub]

Excellent video, thanks, Man! Wish all the best for your channel!

[@Ultramobility]

Many thanks for your support!

[@JRGTEXUS]

Great video, I've yet to see a better built quality B plus RV like Phoenix Cruiser. It is built on a steel frame and even hand select all the hickory wood used in the cabinet build. No pressed and glued plyboard with staples here.

[@Ultramobility]

JR, thanks for sharing. I'll need to check out Phoenix Cruiser. Do they make a class b?

[@JRGTEXUS]

Ultramobility Check out there web site, numerous build videos. They only make the class B Plus RV. I have a 2005 model, the craftsmanship is superb, still looks like new with beautiful woodwork. Every stop I make I get positive comments and folks wanting to talk to me about the RV. I believe the quality has been lost in the major manufacturer due to mass assembly line production with cheap materials.

[@Ultramobility]

Great videos. I can tell already that they are a quality builder. Take a look at the 6:30 mark on www.phoenixusarv.com/construction.html Notice how all the wiring harnesses are nice and tidy? They are tied down so that they won't rattle. This is an example of craftsmanship. They don't have to do that. That takes time and money and buyers would never see it. So I know from looking at this that they are a quality builder that cares about craftsmanship. Well done and thank you so much for sharing with me and others. I know others will find this useful.

[@mstastka]

Ultramobility: This video is of a Class "C" motor home. Do they assemble class "B"s ?

[@Ultramobility]

Mike,. unfortunately not. Just class C's it appears. but Earl is a keeper and clearly they understand how to build quality. Want viewers to see so that when they tour factories or view construction videos they know what to look for.

[@SilverDove8888]

very beautiful feedback.

[@Ultramobility]

Thank you Silver Dove and thanks for subscribing.

[@LifeBetweenTheDash]

Really informative. Perfect.

[@Ultramobility]

JBryant. Thank you so much. I appreciate the positive feedback.

[@Primogen1]

Great bloopers at the end! :-)

[@dmorean]

If you want a very high quality build at a very competitive price, look at the Coachmen Galleria. I was considering the Airstream but found that much of the gloss and good looks was veneers (some of which were already peeling) over inexpensive materials. Coachmen is new in the market and hungry...all solid wood, hand dovetailed drawers and cabinetry...have had mine for a year and 11k miles and no significant issues at all (just a shower hose that got stuck and had to be replaced).

[@Ultramobility]

Daniel, what a great story - thank you for sharing your experience with viewers here. I know people are very interested in the Galleria. Maybe you could share some specific details so that others who are considering the Galleria will have a better idea of what you mean by higher quality and why you love your RV! Thanks for your comment!

[@dmorean]

You got it. Here's why I feel the quality is high: 1. All solid maple drawers (not just faces but also sides/bottoms). Larger doors are hardwood veneered plywood...very well done, not signs of veneer lifting. 2. Corian countertops. 3. Induction cooktop standard. 4. Ultraleather seats/sofa. 5. Soft touch walls and ceilings. 6. On my model (24SQ), the 2 rear seats are removable. This is an example of a thoughtful detail as it enables huge cargo capacity when those seats aren't needed. 7. One piece molded shower is largest in class I believe. 8. Intangibles like soft closing drawers, very tight closing, no uneven gaps, higher quality thermal/sound barrier flooring. I've been very happy. My only gripe is that the electric sofa bed has metal framing that you can feel underneath you when downs as a bed if sleeping to either of the sides.

[@Ultramobility]

Daniel. Thank you so much. This is really excellent and helpful to others. Congratulations on what sounds like a spectacular RV. Do let us know how things are going from time to time!

[@mstastka]

Daniel Morean : Hi Daniel: I saw a dealer at the Tampa RV show that had a Coachman on a Ford 350 chassis that I felt had a pretty good quality build at a competitive price. My issue was that it was old school in that it did not have an inverter and only 200 watt solar panels and if you wanted to use any of the power it would take starting the generator. I think they have a bit to go to get into the competitive market but that being said the Coachman did seem to have a better quality build than many of the others at the show.

[@dmorean]

Hi Mike. I believe Coachmen class Cs are a different universe than Coachmen class Bs. The Bs are headed up by a young and ambitious fellow I met at the Hershey RV show. You must check out the new Coachmen Galleria Lithium. It is cutting edge! Only Roadtrek/Hymer offer similar technology. Here's a link to a review of it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYKZe2yqotWip8U

[@Erin-Thor]

Your praise of Winnebago is NOT my experiences. Plastic pvc water pipes that came apart under the sink when I turned the water faucet off. Electric lights that ceased functioning because the wires were not secured, literally just placed on the contact that came loose while driving. Waking up in the middle of the night to a screaming kid because the bunk brace broke dropping him five feet to the floor. It was a long list... so many issues on a new product. I was not happy.

[@Ultramobility]

wow Erin - thanks for sharing that. i'm sure we'd all love to hear more about your experiences as an owner! please share! see my recent review of the era 70m for quality issues.

[@mitchcollins2947]

Excellent, informative. Thank you.

[@Ultramobility]

you're welcome! thanks for watching!

[@HalkerVeil]

RV's don't have a lemon law. So most don't even try. You can't take it back to get another (using the "lemon law" anyway) which applies only to vehicles and not RV's. As things continue to break, all you can do is bring it back, have them "fix it", and often charge you for making it just as crappy the second time. When it should have been working in the first place. Plus if you DIY a fix then you void one of your many many warranties by multiple different companies. Because one makes the frame, one makes the sink, one makes the electric system, another makes the seats. It never ends. Better, and cheaper, to pay a company to convert another vehicle into an "RV". Box trucks, cargo trailers, moving vans, school buses... military vehicles... etc. Just go to Overland Expo. Even better if you can DIY and learn the vehicle inside and out. People new to building anything can do better than RV manufacturing quality that's under $500k. Even my grandmother can build better on a bad hip day.

[@Ultramobility]

Hi, Anon Mason. For what it's worth I'm pretty sure in California at least, motorhomes are covered under the state Lemon law. If anyone knows for certain please chime in!

[@HalkerVeil]

Oh yeah I didn't think of that. State laws probably make a big difference there.

[@favorest9499]

Thank you for the valuable information

[@Ultramobility]

Favorest - thank you for watching!

[@bobcat5412]

Love your professional videos. Honestly I dont agree with your assertion that some quality issues are to be expected at lower price points. While the materials used in a 70,000 rv will obviously be of less quality then in a 100,000, I don't think there is any excuse for poor workmanship and lack of quality control. We wouldn't put up with this when buying a 60,000 Truck or car. As soon as the consumer stop accepting this type of product, the sooner the quality will improve. Just my opinion. Thanks again for all your videos. Bob.

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks! appreciate your patronage.

[@betheshift3530]

Thank you, your videos have helped me so much. I soon will be a first-time buyer and am learning what to look for. Can you tell me something, what brands carry a short sprinter version (non-dually) and non 4x4? Are there any other options rather other than the ascent or the agile? One more question. I would like to buy a pre-owned ascent but there is literally only one on RVT right now. Is there somewhere else to find them? If I have to buy a new one, do you suggest a particular dealer in California? Thank you again.

[@Ultramobility]

hi be the shift. here's some answers for you. 1) other than the ascent and agile there's the revel by Winnebago (4x4) and a small company out of Quebec called Safari Condo sells a short sprinter model. if anyone else hear knows of other coach builders please chime in. 2) you can check out classbforums.com and sprinter-source.com and see if anyone there is selling. they are hard to find because people love them and hold onto them. 3) I'd buy locally because you want to be able to get your van into the service department. There is a good deal in Orange County called Beach Cities RV. Check them out.

[@energymaven]

Another great video.

[@Ultramobility]

Many thanks, Energymaven! Glad you liked it!