Full Review | 2019 Carado Axion | A Short, Affordable Lithium-Powered Class B Camper Van

[@Ultramobility]

🔴 *Help support Ultramobility with a one time donation: **www.paypal.me/ultramobility* I heard back from Carado about quality but after this video was cut. Here's what they had to say about the issue: "(We) have not heard any issues with the bathroom door. Mirror clips are now being added to permanently secure the mirrors." Check out my playlist for the Axion which includes the Mini-Review and 360 degree video tour! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqHWeGNogcmkaq8

[@gbryant261]

Thought you'd like to hear of my experience with the mirror in my trailer. I too found it laying on the floor, smashed. It was also held in place with adhesive strips, although far more than the Axiom. To be fair, it is stored in the desert and the temps were in the one hundred teens for days on end. However, I will reinstall a new mirror with clips. BTW, my trailer is a 2017 Airstream.

[@ralphfeatherstone7813]

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[@brandonbakhtiar7451]

Ultramobility Neil, I am interested in purchasing and want to ask have you ever thought of trying to gather a group of your ready to buy followers for a possible group purchase to enable a discount? I am ready to purchase something between the 15’6” long Recon Envy and the longer Axion Loft but haven’t decided and may even explore hiring a build out company. Haven’t decided yet but am actively researching.

[@toyota420xp]

The websites i find dont seem to be american because it dosnt have a dollar sign. Is there an american website

[@phthisics]

We bought ours a few months ago--fully loaded, including the underhood generator which eliminates the need for a noisy standalone generator that makes all your campground neighbors hate you. Good review but you missed a couple of things. First, the TV option for $840 includes a Blu-Ray player, which you would have seen if you opened all the overhead cabinets. Both run on 12V, so you don't need to run the inverter to run them. A rooftop antenna is included as well, in the back of the van. Second. no couples will sleep in this with their heads at the rear. You're going to sleep with your head to the front, and then my spouse only has to crawl over my legs to go to the bathroom. It works fine. Also, I'mn 6'1" and change and I fit on the bed as long as I sleep on the folded--out portions. Some owners compalin that it's a bit of a hassle to fold out the platform because there's no strap or indent. Not a biggie. Carado is providing magnetic latches for the drawers under warranty if you ask them. There is no spare tire--its space was taken up by the water tank. They do provide a power inflater with a a green goo option that might keep a tire inflated 'till you get somewhere to change it. Fortunately flats are less of a problem with the tires we have nowadays. You can get a hitch-mounted spare. One crucial point is that while there are camper vans this length, there is no other RV this length, and while B class owners with their 20-22 ft. vans claim they drive and park just fine, we live in an urban area, in a condo complex, and the Axion is the only RV we could buy that we can easily park in our condo complex. Its longer brother the Banff is 19'6" and that's too long for many urban parallel parking spaces. Not a problem for country folk, but a big one for city people like us. We bought a Walmart hitch mounted folding cargo platform that increases our storage by 2 27 gallon storage bins, and the rear doors still open with the bins off the platform. You mentioned no bug screens. We bought Skeeter Beater screens with magnetic attachments. They work fine. Bottom line is that for folks moving up from camper vans, like us, the Axion is spacious. For people moving down from 20 ft. Winnies it's cramped. Depends on where you're coming from. If you want a true RV--and that means a bathroom--there is only the Axion in North America at less than 19 feet or so. So for us it was a no-brainer purchase. There's a Carado Axion forum on Facebook BTW. [EDIT ADD] The awning is hand cranked and has a learning curve but has LED rope lights built in, which is pretty spiffy.. Draining the black/gray water tank is pretty straightforward but you do have to get low to the ground to do it. One minor note: the clothes closet opposite the bathroom isn't high enough for our clothing, which sort of bunches up instead of hanging. Not a major point, but just to show I'm not all starry-eyed about it. Also you'll need at least a 6' ladder to reach the top to hose the dust off the solar panels periodically. And 8' ladder would be better. Or one of those ladder options that mounts to the rear door. Other owners have told me that you can run the rooftop AC up to 4 hours off the batteries before having to crank up the underhood generator BTW.

[@Ultramobility]

great great ownership experience here folks. nicely shared and thanks for that phthisics! true about just turning around on the bed to face the other way.

[@knowthyself7500]

phthisics thank you for your comments which along with the review have seriously swayed me toward this coach. You answered my concerns about the doors staying closed plus others. I’ll be traveling solo and, like you, appreciate the shorter length. This coach, with the options, gives me all the features that were lacking in the Hymer that I just couldn’t settle for. I’m new to the RV world and don’t understand what you were alluding to regarding extra storage space and doors. Would you be willing to share any additional info about your your likes and dislikes? I’m especially curious about the comfort of the bed; did you get a mattress topper; if so where and how do you stow it? Thank you again for taking the time to comment, they are extremely helpful. I found a new 2018 one two hours from me and I’m seriously considering going to see it tomorrow.

[@phthisics]

@@knowthyself7500 Glad to help. Our VW Eurovan Camper poptop that we had to 20 years was 17 ft. long--9" shorter than the Axion--and had no overhead cabinets due to the poptop but it has a lot of storage behind the back seat--space needed for the bathroom in the Axion. But we wanted the bathroom and the short length. Our add-on hitch mounted platform (Walmart, $60) folds out of the way when not in use (or can be removed) and holds 2 27 gallon storage tubs like you can buy at any harware store, secured with multiple bungee cords. That makes up for the storage our Axion's bathroom reduces. The Axion doesn't have a rear hatch. Instead it has 2 doors that swing out (and use a special hinge to fold all the way back around the van's body). Many hitch-mounted storage platforms are too high and don't let you open those doors, which is unacceptable. But my measuring paid off, and the Axions's door clear the platform when it's empty. The platform measures 5 ft. x about 2 ft. Folded, it only add a few inches to the van's length. Very handy I think. As for the bed, yet we got a mattress topper, and it's a pain to figure out where to put it when you're not sleeping on it! We got it from an online store called Mattress Insider in Colorado. They offer many different sizes to fit the odd sizes many RVs use, and also use the densest memory foam available, with a sturdy cover. Ours cost $139 as I recdall. I believe ours measures 47 or 48" x 73 or 74". It fits snugly and won't roll around. When we're traveling I fold it in half and place it under the lounge's foam bottom part. Fits perfectly. then when we're parked and not sleeping but using the van, I shlepp it onto that folding platform, folded a second time. That way I can open one of the back doors, flip the double-folded topper over, and then open the second door. This is in good weather of course. In less good weather, the Axion has a big awning, and I plant to put the topper on the two plastic bins that travel on the plaform, with a tarp over it if need be. One warning is that because the foam is so high quality it's also heavier than a 2" topper you'd get at Costco. And no you don't need a thicker topper--thatls the beauty of using highest quality foam. Our bviggest gripe is that the frawer hardware isn't great, unlike the cabinet doors and latches which are fine. I could imagine upgrading the drawers but more likely we'll just handle them gingerly. Everything else that others complain about is pretty much a requirement given the van's short legnth. We all want Dr. Who's Tardis--bigger on the indise than on the outside. But that's not how physics works. Every RV is a compromise between what it's like moving and what it's like sitting still---the Axion leans toward the moving part, I'd argue that in motion it's the best RV in America. Drives, handles and parks like a car, only with a humongous windshield--great view--and you're as high off the ground as in some semis, which it great while driving, though it also means you have to clibmi up into the cab. Unfolding the bed platform is slightly finicky, though you could add a pull strap if that's a problem. And the electronics/battery/Alde furnace all require a lot of study before you get the hang of them, but it pays off. Our Eurovan had a Suburban furnace that worked but was noisy and used a lot of propane. The Alde is tate of the art, can run silently, and work of pure electricity, pure propane or a combio,. The fridge is all electric so it you have a shoreline you'll only use propane for the stove (or no propane if you make do with the microwave). It handles pretty well, given its height. Others in the Facebook Axion forum have installed aftermarket Sumo springs that give it more resistance to sway. I haven't decided it we need that. One nice touch is that while it defaults to the headlights always being on, that's undesireable if you're using the underhood generator at night in a campgrou8nd. Fortunately there's a setting that leaves the lights ott unless you choose to turn them on. So overall, component choice seems top notch--pretty high end actually--which the cabinetry has some unfortunate cost savings. But because we coulodn't park any other RV in our condo complex and wanted an RV rtather than a nother van camper, the Axion was our only choice. We couldn't park its brother the Banff here, so even that was out. All this is about adults using it, and since it only has 2 seatbelts and one bed, that's what it is. A family with kids can't buy a Carado. I mention this because the bug screens built into the side windows could be damaged easily by careless kids. Not a problem for you or us, though. I recommend the Skeeter Beater magntized bug screens for the side and rear doors BTW.

[@freebirds6047]

Appreciate your owner feedback. My husband's main concern with all Dodge camper vans is the driver seat/steering wheel comfort. He's also 6'1"+ and needs legroom and wants tilting steering. How is the drive comfort for you?

[@phthisics]

@@freebirds6047 I'm long-waisted--in fact I can wear my 5'6" wife's pants--so what works for me may differ from what works for your hubby unless he's also long-waisted. Our other vehicle is a Mazda 3 that we love, which has a tilt-telescoping steering wheel, so I know what that's like, and I'd love to have a tilt steering when in the Promaster. So I see it as a definite deficit. The result for me , being more like someone 6'2 or 3" from the waist up, is that it's like driving a bus, with you pulling part of the steering wheel towrad or away from you rather than the way most of us drive sedans. On the other hand, the only alternative van to the Promasterr (at this length) is the Ford Transit, a RWD vehicle with drive hump to the rear wheels necessitating a higher floor. I can stand up straight inside the Axion , even with shoes on, except for a bit that's about half a foot in diameter under the rooftop AC, and a rail I have to duck under to enter the batchroom (in which I can also stand upright). If I had to choose between being able to stand inside it and having a tilting steering wheel I'd take the former. To some extent it's about managing your own expectations. This isn't a sports car, and having a bus-like driver-vehicie interface isn't bad considering what it is . Honestly I'm far more annoyed by the mechanism both seats use to adjust the angle of the back. Try it and you'll see.

[@cattsmahal1005]

Neil you mentioned the bathroom door. I’m not a fan either. If they extend the closet, that would resolve the issue. Plus if they reposition bar in the closet like a traditional closet, you can fit/hang more clothes. Another thing, they really should install better knobs/locking so the doors don’t fly open while driving. Also, I’d rather have the fridge door open the other way where I would have easier access while in the kitchen. However, being single, this has to be my favorite RV. Subtract the TV. Thank you!

[@348rari2]

I own a 2018 Carado Banff which is the 20ft version with more seating... I absolutely love it! It maybe 3 ft longer, but its easy to drive and park that I drive it every weekend anywhere... home depot, grocery, to friends houses etc... Yes some of the cabinetry quality could have been better but at the price its something I can overlook (compared to spending 30k+ more). The twin bed/lounge area is amazing and I have easily fit 8 adults in it comfortably at a football tailgate. The Axion at 17ft is great but add 3 more feet and 3-4 more seating capability + twice the storage, the Banff blows it away...

[@phthisics]

It's 21" longer than the Axion. The Banff is fine but the galley in the Axion has a better layout, and while the Axion can park anywhere, with a Banff in a city you'll be looking for double parallel parking spaces sometimes, and some campgrounds have campsites with an 18 ft. limit. Also, the lounge in the Baff is at the other end of van from the cabin, so you can't entertain using the swiveling seats in the cabin. The Axion can entertain 5 people easily and 6 if they're friendly--even 7 if you add a footstool in front of the fridge. The Banff is limited to four people usually, though I can imagine friendly smaller people beiing able to squeeze 6 in there. How many have you fitted in it? Also, we have a folding cargo platform mounted to the receiver hitch that increased our storage capacility by two 27 gallon storage boxes. The reat doors still open without the boxes on the platform. Lastly, we couldn't have bought a Banff because we couldn't park it in our condo complex. The Axion was literally our only choice if we wanted a true RV. Also, doesn't the Banff use a Suburban furnace? Our Eurovan Camper had one and it worked but was noisy. The Axion's Alde is silent.

[@Ultramobility]

love that you owners are sharing your ownership experiences! thank you so much. I know I find them valuable and educational!

[@mrslcom]

Funny that the Axion and the Banff are the same price.

[@phthisics]

@@mrslcom The small size of the Axion necessitated a pricey Alde water heater/furnace, so that's part of it.

[@bahud29]

I'm really enjoying my fully loaded 2017 Axion. I'm a solo full-timer traveling with my small dog. I'm able to boondock for 4 days by watching my freshwater use and bringing along an extra 8 to 9 liters of filtered water. Really enjoyed your review. Thanks for sharing!

[@Ultramobility]

Barry - please let us know more about what you love and maybe wish you could change about your Axion! We love to hear from owners!

[@bahud29]

@@Ultramobility I really love the electrical system. The underhood generator,(GU), 400w lithium power, and solar allow me to be off the grid for days. The Alde 3010 system is amazing as well. I'm just blown away at how they maximized every little square inch in this camper van! Not having a spare tire is a bit worrisome, but having tire sealant and a compressor will generally do the trick. Carado does have an included 2-year roadside assistance for the rare instance of a blowout. Also, the drawer latches are terrible, but I installed some childproof devices that keep them secure. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Axion. It was awesome that I was able to negotiate a purchase price under 65K as well.

[@benvernick]

Barry Hudson that’s a steal at that price point especially with the EcoTrek. I’m a single traveler and am seriously considering this van. Glad to hear you can get it for that price.

[@H.pylori]

Under $65,000 with solar and lithium? Great deal. At that price you are close to the high-end Land Rover and JEEP JL. Now I know a starting point for negotiating with the dealer. On the other hand...did not realize that there was no spare tire. I would have to add this.

[@spg9392]

4 Days only? If you have solar and the generator, whats the limit?

[@nightknight2820]

Neil, this. Is the first time i watch a video for u,i watch rv videos for 8 years, i watched hundreds or maybe thousands of videos. Neil, ur video is the BEST, u explained everything in a simple easy way with numbers and a good usage for camera, i liked and subscribe. Ahmed

[@Ultramobility]

Thank you Ahmed! Welcome aboard!

[@jeffwalther]

My neighbor got one of these and his has a pop-up roof with a queen size bed. Makes all the difference.

[@Judy-cm6kp]

A great option for a single person. Singles are a significant market in the class B van arena.

[@Ultramobility]

yep I agree. there are lots of different kinds of buyers. we're not all the same!

[@phthisics]

@@Ultramobility Another significant market is folks moving up from a camper van to a true RV. Compared to our old VW Eurovan Camper, the Axion is big and spacious.

[@NewAgeDIY]

Single today but in a month or so, LOL

[@oxi9846]

I agree. Thanks so much for this review. This is going to be my RV!

[@mishu3271]

Another comprehensive review Neil 👍👍. I’m not sure how to quantify this but after buying many houses and cars in my lifetime I have an instant eye for quality. I stepped into an Axion, spent 15 seconds and stepped out. For someone like me the fit and finish quality just did not exist. However, I think Hymer is realizing a potential market with buyers who expect base level lithium technology and some component pieces to be top drawer like the Alde system. You are providing a very important consumer service - thx!

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks mishu and thank you for sharing your experience with the Axion as well. it's important for potential buyers to read it. i'm trying really hard to do unbiased yet balanced reviews. I hope this one hits the mark!

[@jeanjoo1920]

Mishu, I felt the same way about the quality of this van. Love the layout, but there were many issues in the ones we walked through. (Same went for the Banff.)

[@gregmoore8098]

Hi Neil, Regarding the combo waste tank I would not worry. I had a 1985 pilgrim camper that had a combined tank. I never had an issue. There were no smells in the sinks, or shower pan because each have the "U" Joints under each to block out smells (just like you have in your home). The only difference, back then, is that you would have to give your sewer hose a better cleaning because you did not have your cleaner grey water to clean out your sewer hose (remember the golden rule: "open black tank first, close, then open grey tank to rinse"). However in the Carado Axion they are using a "mercado sewer pump" so the problem is eliminated.

[@Ultramobility]

yep I agree on the macerator. less of a problem then if it had a gravity dump.

[@ronaldk3904]

Thanks for your review Neil. This is a unit I've been investigating. Gotta love the length of this unit, and it's a pretty good layout. Some cons that would steer me away are: A) The tank capacities. The toilet in the Axion is a macerator toilet. The toilet manufacturer says there are 2 flush settings, 1 qt, or 2 qt. That's not good for boondocking. I read thru the entire owners manual on the Carrado website, and they recommend pouring a pail of water down the bathroom sink to flush the tank and hose when dumping. B) The lack of positive catches on all cupboards and drawers. The one owner review I saw on here, they had to secure drawers with bungees while traveling to keep em closed. C) No door screen option. D) Priced too high. RT Simplicity SRT, although 2 feet longer, is a better bargain, despite it's cons, which is another story.

[@Ultramobility]

thanks for sharing all that research. agree that the SRT is a great value for the money esp considering its 6 year warranty.

[@phthisics]

For door screens we got Skeeter Beater no-see-um screens that attach with magnets, on both the sliding door and the rear entry. Works fine. All the cupboards have positive latching. It's only the drawers that are a problem, and Carado is willing to install maganetic latches under warranty. The short length is the feature that requires the combined black/gray tank. You can't have both. Boondocking is possible with this, though of course the tank capacities are limited. See the Facebook Axion site--some owners there have boondocked with their Axions.

[@johnpuccetti9383]

Your reviews are always fun to watch. I am striving to be happy with continual tweaking on my RV. When I get it all perfect I can sell it.

[@Ultramobility]

lol - why would you want to do that?? thanks as always for watching and commenting john!

[@LAF943]

Rec Van in Fremont has the same model (with rear wet bath as an option). It’s the Thor Rize, 17 ft 9 in on a Promaster 1500 chassis also. About the same price.

[@FrayAdjacentTX]

As a single guy, the Axion would be on my short list due to size and the lower price... although it will be a few more years before I could consider buying one. Thanks for posting the review, it's one of the things I love about KZbin!

[@ruffamaryders]

I think i found a new fav RV!

[@michaelsmith9308]

They are nice, especially if you can get a loaded one for $60,000 ! My neighbor didi! Said that was a good price for him:)

[@jackiehorn3724]

I have sold my travato due to some issues I was having with it. Trying to decide what to get. I can take the money I recieved from selling the Travato, pay cash for one of these, and owe no money. I also drove one, and found it easy to drive, and love that the price I am looking at includes the lithium, volt start, solar, and television with dvd. I am not much of a television person, but since the one I put a hold deposit on has one, I will take it...lol...I am actually planning on full timeing in this, and will be fifty percent in rv parks, 50% boon docking, sometimes driveways of friends and families while visiting them. I am single, and used to tiny spaces and van campers. The small holding tanks do not bother me, as I will be around places to empty tanks frequently, and actually 80% of the time will have access to other showers via gym and a few other places. It is basic, but seems to have everything I need, and you can be sure I will personalize it. Afterall--I am a girlie girl...lol...Some friends of mine have the Axion, very satisfied with theirs.

[@mattpollack5823]

Hi Jackie 👋

[@mattpollack5823]

Jackie How are you doing today, i hope this year brings happiness and prosperity, joy to all Americans & Europeans all over the world 🌍

[@marilynstarck6310]

I love this tiny rig!!! Great review! Appreciate your opinions!

[@michaelsmith9308]

I hope an rv manufacturer starts to use this size rv in the future, what a dream driver here:)

[@JuniorYTrinidad]

looking forward to the 360 tour of this small class B. It looks like a great option for those with a tighter budget. For anyone out there with an oculus go or gear vr , viewing standing or in a swivel chair is the best way imo to watch the 360. It creates a level of immersion that's unmatched.

[@Ultramobility]

really appreciate the shout out for the 360 degree videos! I love them too. they are so helpful. trying a little something different this week. i'm keeping in my audio instead of background music. curious if you all will like that and find it helpful or not.

[@AGirlHerDogAndRV]

Hi there! Just came across your review of this van (I’ve never heard of before-thank you for doing reviews on these lesser known names). I’m in a class c or b+ currently, and wanting to downsize. I do a lot of boon docking so I’m leaning towards the plus 3 system that the Travato offers. Keep your reviews coming! You have a nice online presence. Bravo!

[@colormedubious4747]

I saw one of these "in the wild" recently, while driving from Lubbock to Austin. It was magical! Now I just need to encounter a late model Wonder and an Arctic Fox on the road and my "I Spy" scorecard will be complete.

[@marcusanthony179]

I've seen an Arctic Fox here in southern New Mexico. We get lots of RV'ers coming through. Haven't seen the Axion come though, so I might have to be the first.

[@marybachmann]

Same 17' length and same floor plan as my '94 E250 Coachmen Traveler. We sleep with our heads at the other end, so hubby's feet can hang over and one can get to the potty without crawling over the other.

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks for sharing your ownership experience! i totally blanked on simply switching around so your head is pointing the other direction!

[@marybachmann]

@@Ultramobility lol I understand!

[@H.pylori]

My conclusion: BUY! But this applies only to the budget minded solo or couple that wants to get into RVing for the price of a luxury car and who can eschew the bells and whistles of the higher priced models. So glad that you caught them on the mirror, which could be a problem when bouncing down a forest road. I am sure that because of you they are going to make the changes to secure the mirror with clips. I was a little disappointed that you did not look inside the cabinets to do your usual check to see if they used nails vs screws, but maybe you covered that elsewhere. The size(claustrophobia) is not a problem since the purpose of this van is to travel and sleep, with daytime spent exploring, hiking, tailgating, etc. Besides, at home, when not working, I spend most of my day in a 10 X10 man cave. Just imagine having this compact vehicle as a fishing or hunting cabin. I notice that the Carado has the same engine as my JEEP, the PENTASTAR, used across the FCA truck/JEEP inventory, so it should be reliable. The only bone to pick with you is the pricing. If I could find a new CARADO for under $65,000, I would be first in line at the dealership. I have looked at several adds and the imaginary "base" model is difficult to find. They come with unwanted TVs, lithium, and solar factory installed. And even if there is one for $65,000 the buyer should not forget to figure in taxes and registration. Sorry to be so long-winded, but I love your reviews, and you have now found and "consider" the CARADO as a reasonable RV for the "rest of us." Thumbs up! Already subscribed! Will soon be a new Patreon supporter.

[@Ultramobility]

I love longer comments where folks share their thoughts! I too wish the price would be lower. I'm seeing lots of full loaded ones for around $80k but in my mind the big appeal of this rig is that it's affordable so it should be more around $60k as you say.

[@kendclife7913]

@@Ultramobility When I was in the market looking to buy my Axion, I could not find a single base model, although I did not want to base model --- I was thinking I did not want lithium at the time, but all the models were fully loaded and I bought a 2018 for $74k out the door, fully loaded.

[@phthisics]

It also applies to condo/city dwellers like my wife & me. There is literally not one other RV made in North America that we could park by our condo. Also, the "budget" part isn't exactly the case--our Alde furnace is state of the art, along with the underhood generator and solar panel system and EcoTrek lithium battery system. The cabinetry is more budget-minded but the components aren't--one reason it isn't any cheaper than it is. And I really like the Promaster instead of a Transit (no Sprint is short enough, so that doesn't matter). The Promaster's front wheel drive means I can stand up straight inside (I'm 6'1"). Transit's rear wheel drive makes the floor too high.

[@phthisics]

@Robin Loucks They use screws. Little screws, but screws.

[@phthisics]

@@kendclife7913 We bought a 2017 full loaded , new, this summer for $70K.

[@Armenian]

Nice setup. I like the simplicity. Less=more. Thank you for the video.

[@Ultramobility]

it's a great little setup. love the length. 17 feet!

[@Armenian]

Ultramobility only 9 inches longer then an Airstream Basecamp Alone!

[@camcaro5873]

Love how the layout feels open, considering the size and still have a bathroom and other stuff.

[@Ultramobility]

thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@subversivevegan]

Another great review! We have a home-built RAM 1500 and absolutely love the size. It's my ever-day driver. Turns on a dime and gives you change. PS: There are a lot of bells and whistles on this van (yay), but it doesn't exploit one of the best things about the RAM -- the width!. You can fit a near-queen in a RAM (sideways, across the back, giving you a big bed *and* a garage). The Corado is great for a single person but the sleeping situation is not ideal.

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks for sharing your ownership experience Kathy! where can we see pixs of your rig?

[@benvernick]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU 🙏. I’ve been nagging you forever to do a review of this van and it did not disappoint, great job! As usual I thought it was a unbiased and honest review. I’ve still got this van on my shortlist, the upgrade to the EcoTrek is awesome for a van this size. Sunshine State RV also offers this with Volt Start, not sure if that is a dealer only option? Volt Start would be nice if you have a pet. I’ll be traveling solo so for me probably wouldn’t need it. I think the positive latches are easily fixed, but if it’s made from stick frame and staples, which I suspect it is, that maybe a deal breaker. I think the Aktiv 1.0 might be the better choice, but will have to test drive them both to see if there is a huge difference in maneuvering. The Ascent would be my first choice but it’s unlikely I’ll be able to afford it. Thanks again for this review! It’s a nasty snow ❄️ day in Philadelphia so this was a pleasant surprise.

[@Ultramobility]

Ben, I know that you've been waiting FOREVER for this review. Thank you for your patience. I'm glad you've found it useful. I like many things about the Axion especially it's layout. I wish Roadtrek offered this layout with their 6 year warranty!

[@phthisics]

Pretty sure VoltStart is a dealer only option. Not listed in the Axion literature. I don't think the Axion cabinetry uses staples. It seems pretty sturdy, really--just needs magnetic latches. The cabinets all have positive locking latches and work fine. As for difference in manuvering, we experience this both ways because we have a Walmart hitch mounted folding platform, with which the Axion is 20 ft. long., and with it folded up. 18 ft. long. In my experience it makes a big difference in finding places to park and then parking in them. When platform is deployed we have to find two adjacent spaces in most shopping center parking lots, for example.

[@pamelafeenstra1257]

@@phthisics Thanks for the helpful response. The cabinets & volt start(for pets) were my two questions. I was also wondering if the cabinets were made of marine grade wood to handle the abuse from moisture & rough roads? Thank you also to Ultramobility! I am thoroughly enjoying the content as I search for my first RV. Thank you for all of your hard work!

[@annag2456]

This is almost perfect as an older single lady wanting a short RV van as a full timer. Have a 32’ that was a nightmare to drive and park, except front in parking. I think I can live without a mirror.

[@mattpollack5823]

Hi Anna 👋

[@mattpollack5823]

Anna How are you doing today, i hope this year brings happiness and prosperity, joy to all Americans & Europeans all over the world 🌍

[@princessruffledscout]

Thank you for your reviews. I am shopping for a van so I am watching all your reviews. I saw the dealer review on this van , I really like it. So immediately went to your channel and looked for the review

[@Ultramobility]

great hope it was helpful!

[@mattpollack5823]

Hi Martha 👋

[@mattpollack5823]

Martha How are you doing today, i hope this year brings happiness and prosperity, joy to all Americans & Europeans all over the world 🌍

[@mrf604]

Great video. You talk about how awkward it would be for 2 people in the bed. "You'd have to climb over the other person's head to get to the bathroom". Why not sleep with your heads towards the cab end? Problem solved.

[@Ultramobility]

duh - you're right of course!

[@phthisics]

That is in fact how my spouse & I sleep in our Axion, with me on the outside. Her crawling over my legs to get to the bathroom hasn't bothered me.

[@kerridillon3120]

Thank you Neil for all these wonderful, carefully thought out videos ..very informative & fair. BTW - I'm gonna faint if you ever show up to film in a Hawaiian shirt or anything that isn't black! 😎 Keep up the fantastic job!

[@Ultramobility]

I may surprise you one day! lol - thanks for watching.

[@amyschaefer1140]

I love this one! For a single person it's perfect.

[@mariomorinmba]

Excellent Review Neil. Thank you.

[@Ultramobility]

thank you for watching mario!

[@notanomad9320]

The front layout is excellent just like the Winnebago 59K and Carado Banff. Wonder why they didn't use a pocket door for the bath.

[@Ultramobility]

cost i'd imagine. that shower door is about as cheap as you can go.

[@anthonycbrown1952]

What a difference a few years make. When Hymer spoke of entering the US market, the words often spoken were PREMIUM. Hymer has done a 180 degree turn and introduced models that have undercut the more mainstream offerings from Winnebago and others in price. I am curious to see how much of a demand exists for this type of product. More and more people have embraced the idea of selling their brick and mortar home and live full-time in a van. This would be one of the cheapest ways to do so in a new van. More options are always a good thing.

[@Ultramobility]

yeah I tend to agree with you on the options. if they could get the price down (dealer prices are still too high on the Axion) and continue to focus on improving quality they could have a big hit on their hands.

[@phthisics]

Of the handful of van suitable for RV-ification, the Promaster stands out, to me, as being by far the best overall, regardless of price. And the Axion's electronic/HVAC options are all top grade as are as I can call, starting with the Alde water heater/furnace. Where Hymer economized, I think, was in the cabinetry fit/finish/latching (though only the drawers have a latching problem--the cabinets are fine). So it's not really a budget van with low end components.

[@rachelmisc]

Definitely agree w/“consider”. Pretty nice rig except for no gear/garage space. No toys? 😞 Maybe a Tulle on the roof or roof rack.

[@scottb6020]

Good review Neil, thank you always for your informative, non-sponsored reviews..! The coach would be a little too small for for us for travel with (2) adults and all their gear. I like the 19' 7" length camper vans for added comfortability and space.

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks scott!

[@victorsantana162]

Most Class B RV's are now equipped with solar panels, lithium batteries, induction tops without the need for propane. I love the interior layout of this Axion and the engine is just perfect but not the propane gas dependency.

[@Ultramobility]

maybe in your future??

[@suzettecalleja3122]

Just came from a RV dealer, they had a 2017 with 2,600 miles on it , came with solar. They were asking 74,000. You are saying 64,000 for a 2019. Oh, I live in Washington state. Any comments or advice would be appreciated. We are going to have 2 RV shows soon, one in Tacoma, Jan, and one in Seattle, Feb. Thank You. Also Thank you So much for your site.

[@finback2005]

can you do a videos regarding the reliability and maintenance cost of the popular vans. Thanks.

[@Ultramobility]

popular request. i'll have to see if I can make the time.

[@dougmanck4149]

Great review Neil. Not saying I'm a fan of a combo waste tank but it seems it would give you more usable total capacity since you aren't limited by the situation where one tank fills before the other so you need to dump. One other fact you might want to include in your reviews is whether or not the van includes a spare tire. Thanks.

[@Ultramobility]

good point about the spare tire. and a good point about the combined tank. my only question is how to best clean out the hose after you dump but I suppose its a macerator so I may not matter as much.

[@phthisics]

No spare--just a compressor with a green goo option. You could add one in back though. Promaster vans have a spare under the body in back but Carado needed the space for a water tank.

[@heatherlucero2530]

I really like this coach! I am truly thinking of starting to save for this one. A huge selling point for me is the wheel base and upgrades

[@Ultramobility]

glad you like it and thanks for watching!

[@mattpollack5823]

Hi Heather 👋

[@mattpollack5823]

Heather How are you doing today, i hope this year brings happiness and prosperity, joy to all Americans & Europeans all over the world 🌍

[@paulwicklund1052]

I think it would be cheaper to buy the cargo van and build your own camper. That's what camper van Kevin did and he spent less than $30,000.

[@phthisics]

Depends on what you think your time is worth, doesn't it? Add that in, and the fact that you have to keep reinventing wheels the manufacturers have figured out, and you've got a better comparison.

[@inmydarkesthour2278]

Yea but did it have a bathroom?? All these camper van conversions have not toilet or shower! Hell no...

[@marcusanthony179]

The more research I did on building my own, or hiring someone to, the more I realized why people are always selling their own DIY Camper Vans: Things like unfixable rattles, insurance issues, rust, mold, close calls with electrocution, fire/explosions, and strange illnesses cause them to bail. I accept the fact that there are quality issues with the large companies in the pursuit of profit. But at least they're proven safe, because their bottom lines depend on it.

[@tinyb69]

I don't see a privacy issue with the bathroom, if this is supposed to be built for 1 person. Unless water leaks out of that gap, and into the living space. Then that would be a problem. Still, not something that would suit my needs because of my height. At 63, I've already shrunk about 2 inches. Maybe if I wait another 10-15 years, I'll be able to squeeze into that bed comfortably.

[@Ultramobility]

lol - well let's hope you don't shrink that much! great point about privacy in this bathroom.

[@phthisics]

It has a full shower curtan separate from the accordion door. I'm 6'1" and change and can stand up inside the Axion except for a little place under the rooftop AC. I bet someone 2" taller than me sleeping alone could fit fine in the bed diagonally (applying Pythagoras' Theorem for the first time since high school).

[@eureka345]

Love this coach a lot. Having a hard time getting over how mismatched the floor and cabinetry is. I don't mind either one individually - but together, they clash with two different "wood grain" styles. I wish the cabinets were a solid colour. It is on my personal shortlist though - it packs a lot in and has some very smart layout choices (the fridge being one of my favs especially because it's still easily accessible even if the bed is pulled out).

[@Ultramobility]

you could always repaint the cabinets or replace the flooring lol!

[@eureka345]

@@Ultramobility This is true. It's not a dealbreaker - just a head scratcher.

[@phthisics]

True, the wood grain cabinets and the floor are different, though I was more bothered by the cabinetry all being so dark. Rule of thumb is the smaller the room the lighter the walls and furniture should be. I'd have preferred everything to be something like a light tan color. But we don't prefer that enough to do anything about it.

[@cattsmahal1005]

I’m more concerned about them not having a locking mechanism.

[@alliejr]

Great, informative review including size comparison details! I'm a novice at this, so please indulge my naiive questions. With the optional electrical upgrade and VoltStart generator, why not an electric refrigerator and/or induction cooker to remove the need for propane? I love the size, but the rear bathroom layout removes the under-bed "garage" one would get in something like the Activ layout, especially since the Promaster platform is ideal for (and known for) its ability to sleep "across" the van.

[@Ultramobility]

the stock refrigerator is an electric compressor driven refrigerator. not sure why they don't offer an induction cooktop but you could easily buy one of those.

[@mrslcom]

Propane is still needed for hot water and cabin heating.

[@punktexas]

I'd like to see a ProMaster with a layout like the Winnebago Revel.

[@phthisics]

The Alde heater can run on electricity or propane or a combo. The fridge is electric. The stove is gas, but the Axion includes a microwave as well. I like being able to use either gas or electricity for the furnace, myself. The short length of the Axion mandates a lot of compromises. We wanted a bathroom, and the very back is the best place for it. The lounge in front lets you use the cabin seats swiveled around as part of the lounge area. The Activ layout requires a van 2 feet longer---and its greater length would have ruled it out for us, actually.

[@VocalVirgo]

The ProMaster does *not* have tilt wheel, only telescoping. Just a friendly correction :-).

[@Ultramobility]

Right you are! Thanks for pointing that out.

[@shrikeofterven6006]

Anybody know what happens to ground clearance with propane tank and other objects below?

[@JorgeRamirez-gt1lw]

Really enjoy your detailed views on this review. Can you make a video about the pros and cons on DIY cargo van conversion into RV and the pitfalls to look out for?

[@Ultramobility]

sure! I definitely have some thoughts on it.

[@solodad]

Hi Neil, as usual very informative, but price wise I, personnally prefer the Aktiv 1.0, and it's an easy camper to drive and park as the Carado, but the Alde system is a plus. Aktiv 1.0 has the Truma Combi that is a super system too. The choice is a matter of what we want to do with a class B camper. See you next time.

[@Ultramobility]

yeah as I mention in my review of the Aktiv is strikes a near perfect balance in terms of price, quality, layout and size.

[@howesyourmac]

This does look good for a solo traveler, which is what I will be. After looking at all the websites and reviews though, I keep coming back to the Aktiv 1.0. Now I just have to actually go look at one! What dealers would you recommend in the SF Bay Area or Sacramento?

[@jeanjoo1920]

John Howes La Mesa in West Sac has them as does See Grins in Gilroy.

[@phthisics]

The Axion is 17'9" long. The Aktiv is around 20 ft. long. If you think they're comparable you're kidding yourself. Our Axion has a hitch-mounted folding platform, which when deployed makes it about the same length as the Aktiv, and I've driven and parked it with the plaform folded up and deployed, and the difference in parking is night and day. Especially parallel parking spaces, for which the average length is 20 ft. Try putting a vehicle 20 ft. long into a 20 ft. space unless you have a forklift pick it up and put it there. Maybe the difference is whether you live in a densely urban area, as I do, or out in the suburbs or the country. For getting around in urban areas and using the van as a 2nd vehicle and not just for camping, the Axion is unmatched. OTOH if you don't need the shorter length, of course you should get a longer van without the compromises required by the Axion's length.

[@belyndacramer3868]

This is an awesome RV, where would I go to purchase one of these? Please and thank you.

[@BobHorvath]

I wonder how hard it would be to make it four season. The size is great! Great review.

[@Ultramobility]

the hardest part would be rerouting the water lines to the inside.

[@kendclife7913]

FYI, there's a Carado Axion owners group on Facebook with more info from owners and those considering it.

[@kendclife7913]

This is the link: m.facebook.com/groups/215749975884812?ref=bookmarks

[@rvboondocker2559]

Thanks for the review. I think that $80,000 for this is a pretty fair price and probably even a good deal. One would have to go with the lithium package. I can understand combining the black and gray tanks and as long as you can flush them, it is a non-issue. For someone who is even considering it, I would probably bump up your suggestion to “short list“ in this particular case. Nonetheless, I am way too tall for this type of vehicle so I am sticking with my 19 1/2 foot airstream shortly. Unfortunately, I consider their response to you less then responsible. Too bad they skirt the issue.

[@Ultramobility]

I always give the manufacturer the opportunity to respond. some take the time and really talk to me (for hours) and others can't bother.

[@phthisics]

Speaking as an owner with an Axion with all the options, I think they're all mandatory except for the TV. As for height, I'm 6'1" and change and fit fine. OTOH I have a friend who's 6'8" who simply doesn't fit.

[@sheilaserra6069]

Hello Mr. Neil can you please give a review for 2019 Carado Banff. Thank you 😊

[@ArvinAsh]

Neil - you the man! Great review. One question- how do you think this corado compares to the Tofino for overall value?

[@Ultramobility]

I think the two are very different. this Axion is more of a "true" RV with a bathroom and room to stand up. The Tofino is more of a traditional "camper van". What baffles me is that the height of the Tofino is not that much less than this Axion because of the Roof rack so I'm not sure what you're getting by not going full height on the roof. Neither is going to fit in your garage. the warranty on the Tofino is much better at 5 years. I haven't seen the build quality in person to determine how it compares but my gut says that the Tofino will have much higher build quality.

[@ArvinAsh]

@@Ultramobility Totally agree with you. The Tofino would have been much more desirable, if PW put the money into a full bathroom instead of the folding tent contraption on the roof, and put it on a high roof version of the Promaster. If they then set the price at $70-80K -- they would sell like hotcakes, because their quality is unquestionably the highest.

[@GalletasLife]

Great review! I've been looking at this one but also waiting for the Pleasure Way Tofino to be released. I've been leaning towards Tofino because of great quality..but what the Carado offers at a lower price is a easier to move around in coach with bathroom and bigger lounge area..In Canada there are some great clearance prices on Axions that have not moved..but since I don't like maintenance issues on new vans..I may choose the Tofino..great for boon docking with a solar shower and portopotti.

[@Ultramobility]

yeah the Tofino and the Axion are almost two different vans. the Axion is more of a true RV in the sense that it has a proper bathroom and you can stand up in it. The Tofino is more of an old-school VW camper van. both are great but for different uses and needs.

[@calendarwhiteknight2938]

It will be interesting to see Neil's comparison between the Tofino and Axiion, but ultimately, these vehicles are fundamentally different. The Axion, with standing height space, toilet (plus tanks), and plethora of storage cabinets, is a true RV, with limited passenger carrying capability, and the clearance height inconveniences that all high roof vehicles face. The Tofino with its belted seats and rear cargo area, can replace the family SUV/minivan but with the added benefits of sleeping accommodations and kitchenette. Though similar in size, I think the vehicles attract different audiences.

[@phthisics]

@@calendarwhiteknight2938 Absolutely. We had a VW Eurovan Camper as our 2nd vehicle for 20 years, and its specs are remarkably similar to those of the Tofino (taking into account how much passenger vehicles have changed in the last 20 years). Now we have an Axion, giving up the ability to seat 6 passengers with seat belts for the ability to get up and go to the bathroom at 3am while camping without leaving the vehicle. That said, as long as the inability to safely transport more than 2 people isn't a deal breaker, the Axion can serve as a second vehicle--far more than any other RV out there. Can't park it in a parking garage (99% of the time), but it can park in a normal urban parallel parking space, gets good enough gas mileage to be used as a daily driver if need be, can be used to shlepp stuff from Home Depot etc. We miss our Eurovan for what it could do that the Axion can't, but we're happy with our choice--and wouldn't have gotten the Tofino instead even if it were out there when we got our Axion. However, if you absolutely must have more seltbelted positions, the Axion is out.

[@mont5584]

Can you get them down on the asking price, if so, how much?

[@scottsmith5174]

I’d love to see you review the Gulf Stream BT Cruiser 5210. Similar floor plan.

[@Ultramobility]

Noted!

[@John101B]

Thank you for the review, great as always. I have a problem with the combined grey & black water tank though. Can't imagine how messy that would be, and there's no easy way to wash down the mess with "pure" grey water at the end of a dump, if you know what I mean. Or am I overlooking something?

[@Ultramobility]

you're not. a combined tank can be problematic for the reasons you state. the biggest concern is flushing or cleaning it after you dump. I suppose you could just fill it back up with clean water and dump again but that seems like a waste of time and water.

[@freebirds6047]

@@Ultramobility What about replacing toilet with Nature's Head composting (easy to dump with back door access) so gray can be just for gray!

[@phthisics]

Remember this is a macerating toilet so it's not just a gravity dump. And flushing the system with water poured down the toilet is exactly what we do. The simple truth is that building a full RV under 18 ft. long is impossible without a bunch of compromises. Sure, separate black and gray water tanks are great. But there is no RV with this that's this short. If you really want the short length, a combo tank is part of the price. Along with not having a spare tire under the van. And not having more than 2 seatbelted positions. On the other hand, 20 ft. long Class Bs with all those good things are 2 ft. longer than our Axion, which means that in our particular circumstance we coldn't have bought it, due to parking limitations in the condo we live in. Also if you want to be able to park easily...and to have an RV that's doesn't look like an RV. You pays your money and you makes your choices.

[@evamaria644]

@@phthisics I don't see anything wrong with having a gallon of water on hand to pour into the tank once you've flushed it takes the same about of steps if you had the gray and black flush.

[@rexhargrove5172]

Thank you so much for this wonderful review of this coach. It looks perfect for my wife and I … except the length of the bed. Ugh, I’m tall but would love to know if other taller folks (I’m 6’4”) have managed this issue with mods. Thank you again for this, as well as all your other, excellent review(s).

[@tcurrence]

Thank you so much for your great videos. I actually like this coach. What would you recommend for a person that would like these options but also like to have an additional 2 to 3 passengers?

[@Ultramobility]

maybe the simplicity srt with the rear sofa bed option or the zion? thanks for watching troy!

[@phthisics]

There's no practical way around it. This and its brother the Banff will only travel with 2 people in seat belts, and the Facebook forums have had discussions about adding seatbelts but nothing that looks safe. The only real solution is either a longer RV or a same-size van camper without a bathroom. You could get a Sportsmobile for example or there's a Pleasureway with a poptop and no bathroom but belted seats for 2 or 3 more people, and the same length as the Axion.

[@jeffg7220]

Another great review Neil. Seems to me the front passenger seat can become a good place to relax in this van....when swiveled around it faces the tv and the entire interior. But, does it have any recline adjustments? It might be nice to see you check out the comfort, the adjustability, and the overall usability of the swiveled passenger seat in all your future reviews, but for now please comment on this one. Also, you showed the sofa dimensions as 24”x72”. If used as a bed without using the width extension board, 24” seems extremely narrow, but I’m wondering if that 24” width is with or without the back cushion in place. You demonstrated yourself laying on your back, straight as a board, and I noticed the rear cushion was in place... but no one typically sleeps in that position for an entire night. Rolling onto your side during the night , which is a common and natural movement during sleep, might actually risk rolling right off the edge, so that’s why I’m wondering if that 24” width you showed is with or without the removal of the sofa’s rear cushion. If it is with the cushion in place, then I’d ask what is the width with the cushion removed? Also, seeing the bathroom mirror poorly installed with only strips of tape certainly raises doubts and concerns about the overall quality of construction of the entire van, even though they responded to you that they’re going to add some clips in the future. In addition, can anyone explain why Ram would exclude tilt steering in any modern vehicle in this century? Seems like all their other Promaster models suffer similarly. Go figure. So, there’s a single U.S. dealer (I believe in Florida perhaps) claiming that they exclusively install Voltstart on this model. I don’t understand why it’s only that dealer. And lastly, the exclusion of any type of screens for the doors is ridiculous. I realize that the objective is to just stay with essentials, but that certainly seems like one to me, and it’s not even an option. Fortunately, there are sometimes third-party aftermarket solutions. Overall, I love the efficient floorplan of this van. But, the great concept of this van seems possibly overshadowed by too many quality shortcuts and cutbacks. It’s a shame to see the Hymer group shoot themselves in the foot like that, when the “idea” is so great, only to be sabotaged by poor execution. Anyway, look forward to hearing your answers to those questions, and thanks again!

[@Ultramobility]

yes the seats are 4 way adjustable. the 24" width is without the back cushion. thanks for watching!

[@Kath50]

Neil thank you for another great review! For a single traveler this seems like a great option. My questions are: is the TV on an articulating arm or is it locked into that unfortunate position and does the shower / bathroom sink fixture have a shut off switch to conserve water while showering? Love the lithium upgrade for a reasonable price considering what others are asking. Thank you again for all of the info you provide!

[@Ultramobility]

the tv is on an articulating arm. the bathroom does not have a watermiser recirculating feature like the Galleria. I don't believe the shower head has an on/off switch.

[@divya2677]

YOUR DOING GREAT👍✊

[@Ultramobility]

thank you so much Divya for the encouragement!

[@johnmca5643]

I saw the Dodge was built in Canada. Where is it converted to a sleeper van?

[@christophermack6422]

Hi Neil, I've been watching you for a while, but this is my first comment. First, I think the layout of this van is near perfect for a solo traveler. I, like you, am a quality person. I think the lack of positive locking cabinets etc. would eventually require fixing and upgrading. I'm not sure if you noticed this or not, but what is the locking situation on the fridge. I also like the way it is placed, but having the fridge door facing forward without a very good locking system is a recipe for the great apple roll. I also had a question about the bed length. You said the bed was 72" and you are 5'10". Seeing you laying on the couch/bed with shoes on seems to show more than 2" of extra length. I am wondering if you measured the bed or got that measurement from literature. Thanks, Chris

[@Ultramobility]

I didn't measure the bed. using the measurements from their site.

[@phthisics]

I own one and I'm 6'1" and change. I can sleep on the bed OK. I could use longer, but it's acceptable as it. My wife sleeps near the wall and I sleep near the stove so I can hang over if necessary. Carado is as we speak installing magnetic latches on the drawers at their expense. We'll see if that works. Otherwise it's back to bungees. The fridge has a locking latch--no p;roblem there.

[@dankociela8943]

There is a spring loaded pin on the refrigerator door that engages when you close the door. I have about 10k miles on mine, with a couple of panic stops, no issues with the fridge door.

[@stanw909]

Every RV/Marine refrigerator has locking devices.

[@punktexas]

Simple mistakes like the cabinets clashing with the floor and no positive latching for some of the cabinets makes we think there must be other blunders in this model. Really, how much more would it cost to make all the cabinet positive locking? How much more would it cost to have the floor covering in a tile or pebble pattern? Scratching my head>>>.

[@Ultramobility]

no much but the accountants track every dime spent. multiple that dime for each positive latch times the number of units sold times the number of years and it all adds up I suppose.

[@punktexas]

@@Ultramobility People only buy one unit so that argument is invalid. The total cost of a handful of positive locking latches and a floor covering with a complementary pattern is miniscule. It's just a drop in a drop of the $80k bucket. Thanks for the reply. BTW I do love your videos.

[@Ultramobility]

punktexas - well the point i'm trying to make is that some manufacturers are penny wise and pound foolish. they don't pass the cost onto the buyer. they want to keep the price as low as possible. to install some positive locking latches is more than just the cost of the latches themselves - they have to also install a piece on the cabinet to receive the positive latch and that takes additional time and training for someone. I know it sounds strange but I've heard manufacturers tell me this. when you add it all up it may come out to a hundred bucks per unit in additional parts and labor and when they add that up over thousands of units the accounts see hundreds of thousands of dollars saved by not doing it. like I said short sighted but it happens all the time. happens less on higher priced rigs though.

[@phthisics]

@@Ultramobility What's ironic is that they've had to add a latch to the side of the drawers, which doesn't work, and now they're having to replace those with magnetic latches for customers who complain, and pretty much all the Axion/Banff owners on the Facebook forum complain about this. So I'm guessing the ultimate cost will be a lot more than if they'd installed positive latches in the first place. Another applicable saying is "Stepping over dollars to pick up dimes."

[@cathystewart2268]

I like small, but I’m leaning toward the Pleasure-Way Tofino. I like the inside tanks. Hope you can get a full review out soon. Have you thought of reviewing a really small RV like the Recon Envy?

[@phthisics]

The Tofino and Envy are camper vans, while the Axion is an RV. So they're not directly comparable. If you don't want a full bathroom, you don't want the Axion--it gives up a lot of storage for that feature.

[@Ultramobility]

i'll try to review the Recon Envy and definitely will review the Tofino when it is available!

[@mattpollack5823]

Hi Cathy 👋

[@mattpollack5823]

Cathy How are you doing today, i hope this year brings happiness and prosperity, joy to all Americans & Europeans all over the world 🌍

[@stanw909]

Do you think the panel behind the driver's seat could be cut down to allow feet to dangle off end of bed and reclining of driver's seat to accommodate taller people ?

[@Ultramobility]

probably not. maybe? i'm not sure what's under the sofa.

[@phthisics]

The water tank is in the panel behind the driver's seat, so that's probably not doable. Though I'm 6'1" and I fit OK. For the bed we always sleep with our heads toward the nose of the van, and the outer half of the bed is over the aisle in back, leaving room to dangle or to put some kind of ottoman there.

[@phthisics]

@@Ultramobility The Alde water heater/furnace and other electronics and plumbing are under the sofa--no space for storage, unlike the Banff. But I think he was asking about what's between the driver's seat and the sofa, which is the water tank.

[@stanw909]

@@divyasangal1438 Is it possible , he's just busy ? He sure does put out a lot of videos and presumably , has a life as well .

[@DeborahLong7777]

Nice and simple, 17 ft. You can add screens etc. Solar too. This is a horrible price OMG.

[@gordsturm9731]

If they would use a Composting toilet, then just fresh and grey water set up. Hymer should have this also as an option in their Hymer Aktiv model instead of the cassette toilet they offer now......

[@Ultramobility]

you mean this layout? well carado is also owned by hymer so...

[@gordsturm9731]

@@Ultramobility Yes both models. no black tanks. Carado Axion and Hymer Aktiv. That would mean just fresh water and grey tanks only. I know I would rather have a composting toilet than a cassette toilet they use in the Aktiv, Hymer should have as an option on that model. This would on the Axion eliminate the grey/black tank to just grey water tank. I am debating on the Aktiv 1.0 and Carado Axion.

[@From_the_mil]

Anyone install passenger seat belts ?

[@felonybebopclub2182]

corrado banff looks great review please,,!,,love your channel

[@fredricunderhill204]

Nice review!! Nice follow up from the manufacturer!! How much does this unit cost?

[@Ultramobility]

they seem to be priced higher than they should be due to demand at the moment with dealer listed prices hovering in the mid to high $70k range. they should be below $70k in my book.

[@PeaceYea]

Where can I find a dealer that sells the Axion with Pop Up Top? I can't seem to find any place that sells it.

[@kawaiiduck5924]

Wow u work hard!

[@kawaiiduck5924]

Could you do a Sportsmobile?

[@Ultramobility]

many thanks Tom. I do have to work hard for the channel. I want to be the premiere destination for all things class b and b+! I'll see if I can arrange something with Sportsmobile. they're local to me.

[@kawaiiduck5924]

One thing is the crashworthyness of vans, especially for passengers. I hear churches have moved away from vans into buses because of several high profile incidents of horrendous accidents involving vans.

[@Lex-Rex]

I like the Tofino due to it being 4 season and the 5 year warranty. I like the layout of this better than the Tofino. Not sure yet. I will have to see them in person.

[@thomasfranta7028]

Really like to see the Coachman CrossFit vs the Winnebago Paseo Thanks Neil

[@Ultramobility]

yep - will do that once i release the crossfit review which is next week!

[@thomasfranta7028]

Great Thanks Neil

[@liortepper3619]

Thank you so much for the video

[@bruceh3786]

This is a very interesting RV and you did a great job in showing the features! I do not know much about the Pro Master chassis. Are they front wheel drive with an automatic transmission? Also, how many speeds for the transmission and what is the expected fuel mileage and does it use regular octane (87) fuel? It is amazing how many features it has for such a small size. My biggest concern is the small tank sizes and combining the gray and black in one tank. I really like how non descript it looks from the outside to non RV folks. It looks to be a great choice for exploring urban areas. Thanks.

[@Ultramobility]

it is front wheel drive. 6 speed transmission. maybe 15-18mpg? uses regular fuel no premium.

[@bruceh3786]

Thanks!

[@bruceh3786]

Do you have a video that compares and contrasts the three chassis - Mercedes Sprinter, Ford Transit and the Dodge Ram Pro Master? I think that makes for an interesting video topic. Thanks.

[@Ultramobility]

i don't bruce but that's been a popular request.

[@cattsmahal1005]

Neil update/ I just found out Carado went out of business last March 2019. What does that mean on the warranty?

[@agv3581]

oh nooooo

[@NewAgeDIY]

The LIP upgrade path is a must have option. But a $5k it’s a bit on the high end. More details please!

[@Yeshuamysavior1]

Is there no awning? Outdoor shower would be great!

[@brandonthomas7292]

Excellent review thank you!

[@SuperQdaddy]

This is a good choice for the money considering a new van will run you 30 to 40k anyway..and with all the work done here you couldn't do a custom van build like this without spending 20k plus...so here it is...I've seen them for as low as 50k $ for slightly used..most people dont keep these for more than a couple years so I'm sure there out there

[@cattsmahal1005]

SuperQdaddy -I feel the same way.

[@tonynes3577]

I just noticed that Pleasureway makes the TOFINO which is the same short van as the AXION. Could you do a comparison between the two vans one day? I noticed there is not much info online about the TOFINO (I can't find any) but you did do a short review on it.. Thanks Neil!

[@Ultramobility]

yep will definitely do that. really a different kind of rv though. i wouldn't put it in the same class as the Axion as it doesn't have a full height roof and there's no bathroom.

[@SuperQdaddy]

Isnt there a curtain to close off the cab area ??..do you have to make your own ?..not a big issue..also cabinet s draws..should lock or have magnets..otherwise looks like a good road trip van..without being overkill *

[@oneeyedjack2254]

The rear bath is a real deal breaker. While I like thr shorter length, I still prefer the Simplicity SRT with fixed bed layout, as these are really only intended to be used by no more than 2 people , but are quite popular with solo travellers.

[@Ultramobility]

yes the axion is designed and ideal for a single person and not a couple.

[@Lexus958]

Hello Neil, curious what your impressions are of the Dodge engine and its reliability?

[@mebhi2]

I’ve been looking at the Phoenix Cruiser 2100. I notice you don’t have a review for any of their models, why? Could you please do a review for me????

[@Ultramobility]

hi cathy - they are a class c and I haven't yet branched out to Class C reviews yet … but I will eventually! want to get down class b and b+ completely first.

[@mebhi2]

Ultramobility I thought the 2100 was a b plus? Sorry.

[@richkucharski8824]

Another great review. Thanks

[@Ultramobility]

thanks rich!

[@jeffliu7640]

Great review Neil! Roadtrek has the 6 year warranty for more peace of mind but I really like the open floor plan of the Axion. At a similar price point, how would you compare the fit/finish and quality to the simplicity SRT?

[@Ultramobility]

Ummm, i'd have to say it is lower for sure Jeff. overall fit and finish is not up to the roadtrek standard. cabinets especially feel flimsy. that bathroom door is a great example. on the simplicity srt it is a solid wooden door.

[@MeAndMyRoyalEnfield]

What would be the cheapest camping van now?

[@thejimfury9863]

How bout a Hymer Sunray review. Thanks The Jim Fury

[@mont5584]

What the average $ campers like Carado and the Pleasure Way Tofila (sp) will dropped to make a sale? I like them but I'm in the mid 50s on how much I can afford.

[@ruthvancise4895]

can yu profile the carado axion studio?

[@tonynes3577]

Great Review! I am impressed with AXION's features. BUT, I'm not so sure about the interior layout...Kinda cheap looking? I guess I'm picky. (I went to see it in Gilroy, CA.). Maybe I could ask a van conversion company to put a partition at the bathroom. Or ask them to re-do part of the interior?! As a single person and my first van, I might just get it!

[@Ultramobility]

yes the interior can have a lower quality feel to it unfortunately.

[@-whackd]

Would love an electric motor and expansion of the lithium battery.

[@Ultramobility]

me too!

[@neonrainbow9033]

is this wired for solar? by that i mean can i buy it without solar and buy solar panels later? also to bad they didn't put in a murphy bed instead, Also a cassette toilet would have been better.

[@freebirds6047]

Q - couldn't tell if there was storage above cab seats? Also, two could fit 'snugly' if you reversed head positions to front so inside sleeper could slide down out to bath versus climbing over head ;- } Would love this if only had tilt steering wheel as my husband needs for comfort (6'1"). Can this be added/adapted?

[@Ultramobility]

yep there is a storage overhead above the cabinet and you're right you can just switch positions and have your head up near the cab.

[@phthisics]

I'm 6'1" and am OK with the Promaster ergonomics. I'd love tilt steering but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. You just drive it like a bus rather than a car--look at how bus drivers interact with their steering wheel and you'll see what I mean.