Un-cards should be LEGAL in Commander

With the recent B&R announcement, Twitter has been talking about Rule 0 again, which opened up discussion about Un-cards in general.
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[@dragonrealms4269]

Basically how to introduce a million corner cases and rule nightmare situations, as well as give players random benefit from the most basic things that don't have anything to do with magic. Hell no.

[@DarkDiamondInc]

Fun hater

[@dragonrealms4269]

@@DarkDiamondInc yes I hate ALL THE FUN, wizards should actually ban every card that is not in the top CEDH lists, that's how much I hate fun

[@remogaming791]

i think a couple of them could be fun, but all of them would be a nightmare

[@bananaheals]

No. Except the cheese stands alone. If someone ever tries to play barren glory against me, im scooping. Play the proper version of the card.

[@ThePencilWizard]

To note, they only made silver bordered cards legal for exactly one month when Unstable came out. On attractions though, I don’t see them being slow since it’s only one roll for a handful of simple effects.

[@daveclarke1990]

Like 70% of my problems with mtg stem from people taking commander too seriously. If the unsets were legal in commander by default I imagine this would do a whole bunch to help that.

[@craigstege6376]

A curated list of un-cards would be pretty good. I liked the Owl Knight that actually cared about the time of day for example. And there were a few others that were pretty dope. It could be done, a few cards were pretty tame.

[@Code_Negative]

Since commander is a casual format the Rules Committee ban list is more a guideline that most people that know it exists normally happen to follow. It you wanna play un-cards or proxy's then play them and bring swaps if people say no, same with some banned cards. Even playgroups/card shops have house bans or unbans.

[@RoachDoggggJR]

I think silver border cards fundamentally have to stay at a rule zero situation. If you pod is cool with these cards just have a conversation about it, why do these things need to become legal in broader play? If I go to my LGS and people are casting spells that have them take off their shoes and dance on the table I'm not playing commander anymore

[@27777BigRedBarn]

I have a zombie deck with Bad Ass as the commander and it’s looking to cast Over My Dead Bodies after sacing a ton of zombies or to hit Summon the Pack and bust open something good. All three of these are illegal but I just pull them out and discuss them with the pod before playing. It’s one of my favorite decks. It’s silly.

[@pickledblowfish6178]

No. Next question.

[@williamsimkulet7832]

Functional Un-Cards are fine, but frankly the distinction between The Cheese Stands Alone & Barren Glory is more than mere function; it's flavor. Silver bordered, and frankly licensed "universe beyond", cards should be in two distinct alternate formats.

[@7fatrats]

There are some un-cards id love unbanned. There are some i would hate unbanned and would be incredibly angry if i ever had to deal with them (im looking at the entire gotcha mechanic)

[@thembosupremepizza1827]

my deck NEEDS a blacker lotus, proxying a hundred so i can play, i love ripping cards

[@ashemabahumat4173]

Just get rid of Rule 0 and unlock the _un un un_

[@mitrimind1027]

I think a lot of the ones that aren't too meta (interactions with things outside the game) should be allowed since stickers are allowed.

[@sammin101]

I’ll be honest the split monster uncards are simpler than mutate. There absolutely are uncards which can be made legal and nobody would complain.

[@lichdust]

many un-cards have physical/dexterity cards that should definitely not be included, as a handicapped person i'd prefer not to have to arm wrestle or even touch other people, or knowing that people would accommodate me I'd much prefer to not have to ask for accommodation and to avoid awkwardness

[@zeskorion]

if you bring an un-card deck to your pod, they'll let you play it more often than not. Then again... I don't bring cards that make the opponent do stupid stuff.

[@joeywarren60]

Not *all* of them. But there are a bunch that do work in terms of base game rules.

[@DD-to5ig]

Cheatyface is a great way to punish players for not paying attention to the board state.

[@crovax1375]

I think that Urza's Contact Lenses should remain banned, and Organ Harvest might be too much, but most other unset cards could be allowed in EDH.

[@thousand1183]

*clicks video* "Un-cards are cringe and should stay banned keep coping" *leaves without watching video*

[@MisterWebb]

So Demo sets the agenda these days, eh? I’d be against this except I’ve always wanted to topdeck a Gleemax.

[@KeloseDEC]

Hard reject. I would not play against anyone using these cards.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

Yeah, they should un ban the majority of un cards. Be ancorn or silver border. If people dont like them, just rule 0 and ban It for your group hehe Just not any dexterity one. Those belong to the exile zone.

[@bryangelnett6237]

I like the wonky and dexterous cards thier just fun I think commander should not be to serious. I think we should ban doc and smothering tithe. I’ve never really had a problem with rystic personaly it’s a lot worst at drawing cards than more sinergetic cards most of the time. Like tribute to the world tree. I think nevropotence and bolas citedel are way worse. Gaea’s cradle should not be band tho. I have one and it’s really good but it’s in green witch already has a ton of mana

[@nightmagnus7595]

Krarks other thumb should be legal

[@Grube97]

100% agree with this. There’s a number of cards between Unglued, Unhinged, and Unstable that if printed today are perfectly legal. Replace “gold” with “all colors” in Sword of D&D and it’s a fair card

[@laerite]

Unbanning them all probably wouldn't massively hurt the format - how many people actually own collections of unsets? and how many would jump to fill their decks with them? I think most players wouldn't do it in their standard decks simply based on vibes yknow? That said, if theyre planning a talored unbanning list I would prefer that, I just hope it doesn't become one of those forgotten promises (not that they made a real commitment that it'd be done), that they never actually get around too. Booster tutor is the perfect commander card IMO, whether you use a real booster or even a curated selection of cards like a cube packet.

[@jadegrace1312]

i think they should just keep it to cards that could be legal in tournament constructed formats. Like Uktabi Kong. Hell, you could even have Earl of Squirrels.

[@byronsmothers8064]

Ive deemed acorn stamp and silver border as Un-legal, and believe that some of them have the potential to play nice with commander decks. Just ask your playgroup if they want to build som unlegal decks and try something wacky!

[@sylta09]

mr. bad takes only.

[@Blairrows]

In my ideal world, every Magic the Gathering card ever printed is unbanned in Commander (except for hateful cards like Invoke Prejudice and ante cards), then all the crazy powerful stuff like the Power Nine, Thassa's Oracle, Dockside Extortionist, Rhystic Study, Tolarian Academy, etc., are put on a "Golden List" and all the un-cards are put on a "Silver List", and you can put one card from each of these lists in your casual commander deck. You've got your chance for glory with your Golden Bullet, and your chance for silliness with your Silver Bullet. 90%+ of players are already running a Power Nine level card in their deck with Sol Ring anyways, so it's not that people have a problem with powerful cards, the problem is when your opponent's entire "casual" deck is bursting at the seams with Magic's worst offenders, and I think people feel the same way about un-cards, too; it's one thing to see a Flavor Judge suddenly pop up in the middle of an otherwise black-border game, it's a whole other ordeal to go up against an "un-deck". IMO, dexterity cards are fine. I've played with Chaos Orb, that one in particular has story potential all over it. Yes, it's unfair to people with mobility issues, but it's not like commander players are pressed for good removal options nowadays.

[@jaceg810]

banning the unfinity un-cards that where printed as legal in commander could be a thing, I personally like attractions, but think stickers are not great. When it comes to unbanning all uncards, I do like contraptions a lot, however the sheer amount of rules pain is unexplainable. A lot of un-cards are designed for draft, and if silly shit like 'statebased actions don't apply to you" is actually legal, then the rules need some extra support. Also, CEDH will be in shambles Apart from CEDH, there are a lot of un cards that fall in either of these two catagories: - Totally, and I mean totally broken in their respective architypes or in context, imagine multiple infinite mana cost artifacts in yuriko or a deck that can cheat out artifacts. Alternatively, creatures that cheat themselves into play at no cost. - Some really are not supported by the rules, at all, there for example is a ninja that can be on the battlefield and in your hand at the same time. In addition, it can force a lot of mechanics about how people need to speak, act etc. No idea for stickers, but this is the general vibe of attactions when you just run a single "open an attraction" card that can theoretically do it multiple times: At the start of the game, you announce that you have an attraction deck, and that it will probably not come up, if they are new, most attractions have effects that are about as powerful as drawing a card, and trigger about half or one third of the time. If I draw my attraction card, its Lifetime passholder, so it will make at least one attraction and maybe more later on. When I have one or more attractions, I roll a dice at the beginning of each of my turns, I really hate the timing, as it is just after the draw step, not in the upkeep that is made for these kind of things. Thus I often forget. If I do not, the attractions each trigger of a number, I optimized them to all trigger on the same number, since one attraction cares about the amount of attractions that triggered that turn, however you can probably make it more consistent by getting more number coverage. When you roll a success, you often draw a card, make a token of a kind, that kind of thing. Even with 4 out, the most bothersome thing is that it is an artifact token deck, so 4 unique cards with 2 unique tokens really clutter the board when there are already 4 different stacks of artifact tokens and a mix of artifacts and creatures.

[@robertomacetti7069]

Yes, the new best winota card Rules lawyer lmao

[@jaceg810]

@@robertomacetti7069 Honestly, If rules lawyer and Extremely hidden ninja and suspicious chair (I hope I got the names right) become legal, I might just accept all the whack that un-sets being legal entails. Even though I have seen things, infinite life drain combo's in draft, for example

[@Infamouscritter]

God no

[@SoftwareNeos]

Un cards are illegal in commander? Im a new player. I dodnt know that

[@zandaman802]

Yea silver boarder cards and ones with acorns at the bottoms are illegal for any form of play. Otherwise the unfinity set has some legal cards.

[@robertomacetti7069]

Please i have a grand calcutron deck ready since ages ago

[@MageSkeleton]

it's weird how WotC will consider one card illegal and another legal when sometimes they do print a card that for all intensive purposes would be completely playable and "legal" as it maybe operates or interacts in a way many other legal cards do but is illegal because someone at WotC said it's illegal. Take the recent My Little Pony secret lair for example, Rainbow Dash is completely playable. The only reason your "not allowed to play it" normally is because someone at WotC said it's illegal when there's nothing on the card asking you to do anything dumb. in fact, there are many legal cards that can be compared to Rainbow Dash.

[@BAAWAKnight]

"For all intents and purposes"

[@therealtwoshots4847]

Commander isn't a casual format tho....

[@zandaman802]

Yea it is? The fact that people say their decks power level is just proof that it is.

[@yoyoguy1st]

It’s absolutely a casual format.

[@BAAWAKnight]

1,000,000% no. Just no. They are un-fun, and I even refuse to play against anyone with the so-called "legal" un-cards in a deck.

[@joelrandall2348]

It seems like you're the un-fun one.

[@Lorry_Draws]

Whats so 'unfun' about Saw in Half, or Krark's Other Thumb? Unsure why you blanket dislike all un-cards

[@BAAWAKnight]

@@Lorry_Draws If you want to think that destroying the game is fun: fine. You'd be a person I'd never play against, as our ideas of fun just don't match up.

[@Lorry_Draws]

@@BAAWAKnight you didn't answer my question

[@jmantehguy]

⁠@@Lorry_DrawsI’ll answer your question. He’s a magic “purist.” It’s that simple. Cards like Saw in Half, Exchange of Words, and Strength Testing Hammer could all have been made as perfectly legit cards. He just hates them because they’re goofy. I once beat an atraxa player by swapping atraxas text onto my 30/30 grismold with Exchange of Words. They were salty and said “that card shouldn’t be legal,” but I guarantee you that if Exchange of Words was called “Jaces Mind Swap,” and came out in a different set, then they would never say anything about the legality of it. Tl;dr: there’s literally nothing wrong with some of the cards game-wise, but some people hate them because the flavor of the cards is a little goofy.