Unc & Ocho will NEVER agree on the Randy Moss vs. Jerry Rice GOAT WR argument | Nightcap

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Randy Moss' recent comments stating he's the greatest wide receiver of all-time over San Francisco 49ers legend Jerry Rice. Unc is firmly in Rice's corner, but Ocho is ready to die on the hill that nobody in history compares to Moss or Terrell Owens.
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[@isaacchavez6297]

In 2002, Moss (age 25) and TO (Age 29) had 1300 & some yards, Jerry Rice had 1200 yards (at Age 40, post ACL tear!)

[@TJAvant95]

You’re still missing the point…you’re helping chads argument

[@n.c.g731]

@@TJAvant95no it doesn’t 💀💀

[@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88]

Lets take a look at context. Go by team record and QB and leading receivers 2002 Vikings: (6-10) Daunte Culpepper QB - 3853yds 18td, 23int - 75.3 QB rating Randy Moss WR (25) - 106rec 1347yds 7td D'Wayne Bates WR - 50rec 689yds 4td Jim Kleinsasser TE - 37rec 393yds 1td 2002 49'ers: (10-6) Jeff Garcia QB - 3344yds 21tds, 10int - 85.6 QB rating - Pro Bowler Terrell Owens WR (29) - 100rec 1300yds 13tds Taj Streets WR - 72rec 756yds 5tds JJ Stokes WR - 32rec 332yds 1td 2002 Raiders: (11-5) Rich Gannon QB - 4,689yds 26tds 10int - 97.3 QB rating - Pro Bowler, All-Pro, MVP Jerry Rice WR (40) - 92rec 1211yds 7tds Charlie Garner RB - 91rec 941yds 4tds Tim Brown WR - 81rec 930yds 2tds Jerry Porter WR - 51rec 688yds 9tds Doug Jolley TE - 32rec 409yds 2tds Kind of easy to put numbers up when you have a great supporting cast around you. Jerry's tenacity and work ethic is what made him the best, but also playing with the best helps with that as well. Btw, Rich Gannon was already a 2x Pro Bowl QB and a 1st team All-Pro the year before Jerry joined the Raiders.

[@BillGobbinhoffer18]

@@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88so your argument is that rice achieved great numbers bc he played in great teams? What’s the excuse for when moss played on the patriots with Brady at qb? I mean, he had a great season but his numbers didn’t suddenly significantly improve that year, did they? (I’m just asking I didn’t look up the numbers yet)

[@jtremaine23]

​@@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 You left this out of the context though...Rice was still 40 so whatever he could give you is a plus. You put any of those other guys at 40 with Gannon and they still don't have his numbers...especially after the ACL tear. Second, Rice even put up incredible numbers with his backup QBs. If you took his stats from the backups and we won't count Young when he was Montana's backup, he had 24 games with Grbac (9), Kemp (6), Bono (6), Moroski (2) and Cavanugh (1). In exactly a year and a half's worth of games, Rice caught 134 passes for 2,177 yards and 23 TDs, and ran for one score as well. That's an average season of 89 catches, 1451 receiving yards and 16 touchdowns, or roughly the career best season for nearly every WR who has ever played the game. He made Grbac look pretty good that KC paid him to be their starting QB. Third, Moss played on a 16-0 team with Brady but look at his postseason stats that year compared with Rice's 1st playoff game with Gannon. -Moss 4 Playoff Games w/ Brady (age 30) 25 Targets 12 Recs 142 Yards 1 TD -Rice 1st Playoff Game w/ Gannon (age 39) 11 Targets 9 Recs 183 Yards 1 TD Lastly, in 2004, Daunte Culpepper led the league in passing at 4,717 (110.9 QBR) but Moss only had 767 receiving yards. Nate Burleson had more yards. What happened?

[@rodericktfavors]

When somebody says “Forget the numbers” you know it’s coming from emotion lol

[@damoreahmitchell6863]

Lol facts

[@runningwithcat6195]

Forget the numbers, Javale McGee is one of the greatest big man of all time. He's the most athletic guy at his height the league has ever seen! - Ocho probably

[@will-zj5gq]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@runningwithcat6195you are being disingenuous. if ocho said albert wilson was the goat your comment would make sense. randy and TO are top 3 receivers ever while javale mcgee isn’t even top 10 in his own era or in any season.

[@aaronlandfair7911]

@@will-zj5gq naw he had it right, nobody even knows who that is but everyone knows javelle Magee

[@Wizznilliam]

There are some incredible talents who weren't able to rack up numbers for various reasons. People like Grant Hill, Barry Sanders, Bo Jackson, etc... So he isn't all the way wrong. Injuries, terrible teams, terrible draft organizations among other things also contribute to great players numbers and championships. Overall I agree with Unc, but Ocho ain't 100% wrong. There are lots of GREAT raw talent individuals that ended up in not so great situations. I probably would say Jerry Rice is the best too. Not to take anything away from him but it definitely doesn't hurt to play with Joe Montana and in that system and for that organization all of those years. But yes, he still deserves all the accolades that he gets because those numbers are ridiculous even given those great circumstances.

[@marlonnicholson8410]

I think what Chad was really trying to explain was that the things Moss did to beat you was scary and was something nobody else could do or seen with his height and speed. But at the end of the day Jerry Rice was the WR that could do it all and had longevity that is rarely ever seen and still played at a high level throughout his entire career and has the post season success and numbers to back it up which Moss and TO can't say.

[@shadow_td]

Yep. That's all,I've heard of jerry rice i think what's most impressive is he's the tom brady of Wr's finding so much success being 40 when most are done by 35-37

[@DaDonBitterVonWan]

True! I look at it like this…..they both are immortalized one as the most expensive and rarest trading card and the other is a verb forever to be referenced whenever one makes a catch over another 🤷🏾‍♂️ 😅

[@jtremaine23]

You nailed it! They just couldn't explain it well in the video lol.

[@dominiquewilson]

It’s not about the longevity. Jerry had 22 touchdowns in a 12 game season. Jerry Rice was basically Antonio Brown x20. He could do everything at an elite level

[@marlonnicholson8410]

@dominiquewilson "Longevity" meaning he played a lot longer than those other WRs

[@mrmelvin3576]

Jerry had 22tds in 12 games back in 1987 during the strike year... Imagine the full season, man come on, Jerry is the GOAT

[@jtremaine23]

Yep...he was on pace for around 30 that year. He also had 1 rushing TD to make it 23 total.

[@SlaughterhouseSlaughterer]

Randy being double and triple teamed & still getting 23 TDS in 16 games is much more impressive. That was Jerry’s third season not the goat jerry people clamor about now.. and he used stickum game in and out after all the drops his rookie season. Not to mention how many touchdowns moss would’ve had if silly bobbles rules & instant replay weren’t enforced the way they were in 2007. how many touchdowns could be taken from jerry with the same rules today. Jerry rice played in a run dominated league where the west coast offense was jumping into the scene - “mossed” is famous based on the fact that defenses knew he was gonna get the ball… an were helpless in stopping him.

[@manuelshaul9244]

It's moss. You just thinking stats. Jerry just had a better career. But moss was way better than him

[@jtremaine23]

​@@manuelshaul9244 You may be just thinking athletic ability but not including work ethic, route running, blocking, rushing, clutch-ness, taking short catches to the house, going over the middle, etc. Rice was better than Moss at those. Moss was taller, faster & could jump higher. But ironically, Rice had more 50+ yard receiving TDs.

[@jtremaine23]

@@SlaughterhouseSlaughterer Jerry Rice was being doubled and tripled too as there wasn't a clear #2 receiver then. John Taylor was a rookie and it was Dwight Clark's last year. Neither guy had over 300 receiving. Also, I hate to break it to you but he didn't wear gloves when he had those 22 TDs (23 total) in 12 games and he had one of his best all around seasons the year before. You have to include both the good and bad with or without instant replay...how many TDs were not counted back then when there wasn't instant replay that should have counted?!? The West Coast offense was about efficiency with shorter passes and making something out of them which Rice was better at and why they came up with YAC. And ironically, he had more 50+ receiving TDs than Moss. Taylor also played in that same offense but here is the numbers comparison with Rice for the 9 years they played together (1987-1995). John Taylor: 347 rec, 5,598 yards, 43 rec TDs Jerry Rice: 807 rec, 12,626 yards, 128 rec TDs (7 rushing TDs, for good measure) As far as being "Mossed", when people used to shoot a basketball or something in the trash, they would say "Kobe" but everybody knows that he's not better than Jordan.

[@redherring4119]

As much as many have tried to make this a debate over the last 20 years, this has never been a debate in my mind. As Unc says, it is not remotely close. EVEN on a talent basis. Jerry ran the entire route tree to perfection.

[@execdecision2647]

Ocho isn’t even trying to make an argument. The only thing you can do is throw rocks at Jerry, saying he had the better coaches and Quarterbacks over his career. And that’s not even a debate. And then say Moss had the number 1 offense of all time, twice, on different teams. That’s insane value. But honestly, Jerry grinded so hard, it’s hard to not put him up there.

[@Wedonewit2020bball]

I don’t think you understand how much defenses triple teamed moss. He never got the same opportunity jerry got ..

[@BigFoolin8004]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@nathannewman6555]

@@Wedonewit2020bball Triple teamed is the most over-rated term in football. Nobody, not even Moss, got triple teamed. What happens is when the ball goes up in the air there are a few defenders close enough to enter the picture and they get counted has trying to cover the receiver, but they actually had a different assignment. Let me ask you this. What coverage scheme do teams run triple teams in? What would you call that?

[@joeknapp9162]

Jerry Rice is closer to Wes Welker than Randy Moss athletically.

[@paradisearcher9334]

I swear the amount of hurdles people do to not make jerry rice GOAT Wide receiver is amazing

[@paradisearcher9334]

@@tommygunn2782 Where? Cause I damn sure never see it. Its always been TO or Moss

[@Visual_Ghoul]

Stickum

[@lucrative6477]

He’s the goat. If we are talking about most physically gifted, then I’m taking megatron 100% of the time. Size speed and grit, a lot with a silent but deadly attitude. Loved megatron as a player.

[@MyKeeP81]

have you seen the gloves they wear today? thats cheating lol@@Visual_Ghoul

[@jimmy15fication]

@@tommygunn2782and those people are wrong. Look up them gloves and adhesives he played football with. Don't glorifify cheating /helpful advantageous tactics . TO and Randy are 1 and 2. Pure skill. Not adhesives helping them.

[@Nvs76]

The Rice disrespect is crazy!!! Rice was like a dream moving up the field, the catches, my god

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum

[@jetleeroy33]

The number one trait that Rice had over every other WR was his work ethic. Nobody could outwork him! Steve Young told a story about how he was cleaning out his locker at 49ers HQ a few days after the '94 Super Bowl season. He said he remembered seeing Rice outside on the practice field running routes and catching passes from one of the trainers. Young said they just won the SB but Rice was acting like the season was still in progress. I watched all three WRs play from beginning to end and never saw Rice have alligator arms, dog it on his routes, or take plays off. Nobody can say that about Moss or Owens. Hell, Moss took off entire seasons (ask any Raiders fan)! He even did it in the SB! Owens repeatedly led the league in dropped passes. He also would have alligator arms and take plays off (just not as much as Moss). I remember seeing Owens drop multiple passes that should have been TDs! I haven't even mentioned the fact that both Moss and Owens were dumped by multiple teams because they had become locker room cancers. If Johnson wants to ignore stats, then fine...I just gave multiple reasons why Rice was still the GOAT! 🐐

[@jtremaine23]

Mann...I wish Sharpe would have brought up what you did. Well, maybe he did on some of it....I haven't finished the video yet lol.

[@dappergents3743]

He played in a passing offense with two hall of fame Quarter Backs throwing him the Ball Give Randy Moss Two Hall of Fame quarter Backs in the west coast offense and his numbers would be insane Numbers don't always tell the truth Example Emmitt Smith vs Barry Sanders I'm a cowboys fan but nobody thinks Smith better than Sanders

[@lagoings56]

​@dappergents3743 yeah but he still had a 1000 yard season & took a bum like Rich Gannon to the Superbowl @ 40 years old.

[@dappergents3743]

THE Playmaker was better than Them All Of them as a WR Michael Irvine was that dude Why you think they call him the play maker He ran every route and would Dominate On the field

[@xaviervega468]

@@dappergents3743 Cowboy homers are funny.

[@JStantonX]

Jerry Rice, at 40, had over 1K, during a time where illegal contact wasn’t a flag. His game wasn’t based on athleticism, and that aided him in having that longevity to put those numbers up at an advanced age. Moss was a shell of himself once the athleticism was gone.

[@Jrock420blam]

to be fair if they were forcing 150 passes to Moss like they were Rice he'd have had 1k yards when he was a shell of himself too.

[@mg19cal]

​@@Jrock420blamI love Randy but I'm not "forcing" 150 throws to him when he, as Shannon reiterated, took plays off

[@125nomore]

​@Jrock420blam Jerry one year had 63 catches and over 20 tds. Gtfo here lmao.

[@JStantonX]

@@125nomore in 12 games, no less.

[@Jrock420blam]

​@@mg19cal That's what you need for 1k yards, gotta force those throw. Jerry was barely at a 60% catch rate by then after this year he was at 50%

[@jaayeee24]

Chad loss this argument so badly, all he could do was curse. 😆

[@shoey7100]

And tear up, as well. 🤣

[@cyberft]

“I’ve seen it” Ocho better go watch some Jerry Rice then.

[@jamalmartin1005]

Ocho was just glazing all his contemporaries, kinda obvious.

[@xaviervega468]

Because he had no argument. It was all emotional nonsense.

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum

[@Strogo36]

Ocho said “Forget the numbers!” 😂😂

[@sheLuvsManny]

He’s right that’s like putting emmit smith who played on the best team of its era vs Barry sanders where team didn’t play much into his stats and a shorter career. No doubt Barry was the best by skill

[@jasonhuynh8561]

You're telling me Jerry Rice isn't skilled? Jerry Rice was a different breed and it is not even close, he is the Goat WR@@sheLuvsManny

[@peerlessbeard8914]

Fun fact Joe Montana never threw for 4000 yards in a season and Young only did twice so Unc was right they weren’t throwing as much

[@jtremaine23]

And most people don't know that about Montana. Regular QBs now are throwing over 4,000 because they throw so much.

[@Hypee559]

Doesn’t mean they weren’t throwing the ball more than other teams.

[@jtremaine23]

@@Hypee559 That's true but still not like they are today but players still can't pass Rice's total catches, yards & TDs. Also, no one was throwing more than the Dolphins back then with Marino. But even with that, Mark Clayton's nor Mark Duper's stats hold up to Rice's.

[@Hypee559]

⁠@@jtremaine23Rice did play with HOF qbs for most of his career and did admit to using stickum for an unspecified amount of time. Not denying he’s great but I would personally pick moss. Best deep threat the game’s ever seen.

[@jtremaine23]

​@@Hypee559 Yes but that's why people are saying that Montana never threw for over 4,000 yards but Rice STILL got his numbers. Even rookie Cam Newton did that. I can name quite a few above average QBs that have done that. Montana had his most passing yards, highest completion %, most TDs, longest passing TD, highest QBR and won his only 2 MVPs with Rice (not before or after). Steve Young was horrible in Tampa Bay and throwing more INTs than TDs but that changed when he came to SF to play with Rice. He made him better. Also, John Taylor played with these same 2 QBs for 9 years but look at his numbers compared to #80 who was doubled/tripled more. John Taylor: 347 rec, 5,598 yards, 43 rec TDs Jerry Rice: 807 rec, 12,626 yards, 128 rec TDs (7 rushing TDs, for good measure) Interestingly, Rice has more 50+ receiving TDs than Moss who was faster. Rice had true "game" speed---same speed from start to finish and he was great with YAC. I think people focus on the deep threat of Moss and forget everything else like----route running, rushing, blocking, going over the middle, breaking tackles, work ethic, IQ, clutch-ness, durability, playoff performer, etc. As far as stickum, I would have agreed with you but the problem is this....with NO gloves, Rice had one of his best all around seasons in his 2nd year and 22 TDs (23 total) in 12 games in his 3rd year (better than Moss's 23 TDs in 16 games). I say he should have kept the gloves off lol. He finished 2nd in MVP voting to Elway who threw less TDs (19) than Rice even caught.

[@DreHayn]

So for Ocho to say “what Jerry did will never be reached” sounds like something a GOAT will do

[@micahmadyun6]

I think he’s more so saying talent wise and just the simplest version of a receiver at it’s core moss and TO are the best what I get. But ocho believes that Jerry is the GOAT he just thinks those two are what every talent and skill wise should try to be or would want to be. Jerry’s longevity and work ethic made him better which makes him the goat, but not necessarily what his talent was as a receiver if that makes sense

[@mr.kinsey6249]

No point guard will ever have as many steals or assists as John Stockton but people aren't calling him the GOAT pg of all time.

[@MikeBNumba6]

​​@@mr.kinsey6249thank you. He's not even top 4 to most people. A better example is Emmitt freaking Smith. He has three superbowls, a superbowl mvp and has the most rushing yds and tds of all time And everyone has Barry Sanders over him. In fact Emmitt Smith isn't even top 5 to most people. Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, LaDainian Tomlinson, and Jim Brown.

[@ChooseFreshAtSubway]

@@micahmadyun6Ocho doesn’t understand talent vs physical attributes.

[@Crafty-Cam1992]

​@@micahmadyun6tyreek is already better than moss and to. They ain't jerry

[@RonnieJamesOsbourne]

Ocho doing his best Skip Bayless impression today 😂

[@frozennorth3426]

hey! you take that back! 😂

[@frozennorth3426]

@@tommygunn2782 he’s also not a yelling clown-ass fool like Skip

[@wilvictor]

​@@frozennorth3426😂😂😂😂😂

[@ghostx4747]

​@@tommygunn2782But Ocho is as delusional as Skip, SAS & Nick.

[@frozennorth3426]

@@ghostx4747 what? how? I know he occasionally says some funny sht that trips people out because they’re not tuned to dry humor or the fool character (like when he said he worried that his hotel would charge extra if he turned the heat on, which broke half the audiences brains in bewilderment lol) …but I doubt you’re talking about stuff like that. I’m curious though, since I haven’t seen a ton of him: delusional how?

[@cookespencer]

Jerry is like Brady...Longevity, hardwork, rings, and numbers. Moss and TO are like Marino and Rodgers...athletic freaks with pure God given talent (Calvin Johnson is another name that comes to mind for me as well). All of them are you could consider to be at the top of their positions historically but Jerry and Brady take the GOAT debate due to their resume.

[@IWannaUnaliveMyself]

At what point has Aaron Rodgers been considered an athletic freak? You should’ve went with Michael Vick or Cam Newton if you’re using that analogy

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.

[@thegorn68]

What Jerry Rice may have lacked in sheer athletic freakness that Moss had, he made up for in an incredible work ethic in the off season and during practice. Jerry just outworked most receivers that were more gifted athletically.

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Moss had a great work ethic, players quit and left when training in the offseason with him. Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum

[@trovelemmanuel5627]

Moss himself said he played when wanted to

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

@@trovelemmanuel5627 Sid Hartman a sports columnist for the Minneapolis Star & Tribune once asked Moss: "Does Cris Carter get you pumped up to play games?" Moss answered: "No, I play when I wanna play...nobody gets Randy Moss pumped up but Randy Moss". The media chose to take it out context to write a story and unfortunately here you are regurgitating it…

[@trovelemmanuel5627]

@@user-wj9bz8xi9u still true though. Tell me that doesn't show 🤔next argument plz

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

@@trovelemmanuel5627 It's not true, its a quote taken out of context. Moss was one of the hardest working NFL wide receivers of all time. He trained very hard, even harder than Rice.

[@huh3719]

Moss and TO were more physically gifted and great at making contested throw, but the fact that rice was way lest naturally gifted and still out produced them speaks for themselves, he would just be open damn near every other play, didn’t really need contested catches. Not even saying longevity. Rice has had better single seasons, just the fact that he put up an 1800 yard season (something neither of the other two ever did) back in the 90s speaks for itself. However I see what Ochos saying too because I think Moss was a better receiver just due to his speed, size, strength hands etc, he just didn’t try as hard as rice did

[@1922terrence]

Hello!!!! ‼️‼️

[@bobzab1957]

knowing how to run the perfect route can make the slowest receiver wide open. IM 40 and i can still trick the younger dudes with some routes even tho i lost 30 steps lol

[@lucrative6477]

Excuse me? There is a reason they called randy noodle arms and would talk about him being afraid to go over the middle. Rice caught everything, point blank period. Would he win in a race? Not a 40 yard dash, but he would in a marathon. Rice is the goat. Undebatable. His hands were LEVELS above moss and t.o.

[@therealtruth2119]

Rice played on superior teams both offensively and defensively Superior coaches Superior quarterbacks not his fault but I understand what ocho's trying to say but if you're going to deal with the numbers alone there's no comparison to Jerry Rice. But I do understand what Ocho is trying to say

[@IntusMortuum]

People forget how physically dominate Jerry was in his prime as well... he just didn't get the same attention on live TV as the other 2 because his prime was well before modern cameras and broadcasts. Jerry was a dominant player who consistently could not be covered

[@guycharles8061]

Randy Moss is the most gifted WR of all time. Jerry Rice is THE GREATEST RECEIVER OF ALL TIME. Playing a long career is also an incredible accomplishment

[@TJAvant95]

Randy , TO, Calvin, …top 3

[@terrancerobinson20]

​@@TJAvant95T.O., Moss, Megatron are top 4 not top 3. Because #1 is Jerry Rice the 🐐.

[@manuelshaul9244]

I can see that that make sense

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum

[@user-kf4ub6zy2s]

He played. A long career at a high level until 42 13/20 years he was a pro bowler and a 10x all pro

[@213rmateo]

"TO!, I mean Ocho!" 😂😂 Freudian Slip

[@jtremaine23]

Without mentioning numbers... Moss: Taller, faster, could jump higher, great hands, great deep threat Rice: Unmatched work ethic, great hands, better route runner, better blocker, true game speed (same speed from start to finish), clutch, better rusher, better at scoring on shorter catches, not afraid to go over middle

[@montel0220]

Sound like 1 was gifted and the other put the work in

[@kgriff5537]

Spot on. I couldn't have said it any better. It seems like good things happen for the team when Rice was targeted. People underestimated how good his hands were and the precision of his routes.

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.

[@jtremaine23]

@@user-wj9bz8xi9u The only thing is...in his 2nd and 3rd year with no gloves, he had... 86 receptions, 1570 yards (18.3 ypc), 15 TDs (16 total) 65 receptions, 1,078 yards (16.6 ypc), 22 TDs (23 total)....in 12 games (he finished 2nd in MVP voting to Elway and actually had more reception TDs than Elway had passing TDs). He should have kept the gloves off lol.

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

@@jtremaine23 Stickum is cheating

[@BigBoss69420]

Given Jerry Rice is considered one of the greatest football players to ever play the game, I think the answer is pretty obvious.

[@reggiejones907]

I have Jerry as the second greatest player ever behind LT.

[@darenholloway6013]

​@reggiejones907 I have both in my top 2, LT and Jerry. You can flip either way and I'm good.

[@frozennorth3426]

@@reggiejones907 every time LT is mentioned, somewhere out there, a chill runs through an offenseman’s body

[@reggiejones907]

@@frozennorth3426 fo sho!😂😂😂

[@MikeRob2]

what is crazy is that Rice is less gifted but still the best football player of all three

[@geronimogerardot]

Jerry was just less flashy as an individual. I remember people not liking him or Barry Sanders because they weren’t overly braggadocios. That’s why they were my favorites growing up

[@HardCold-Alquan]

Don't forget about the great - OJ Simpson!

[@nbagoats4819]

Barry is in my top 20 Backs ever. He wasn't fast, just illusive and quick.

[@rashaadwhitfield4626]

​@@nbagoats4819he's my number one he took a lot of negative yards but wow he was shifty

[@MK-zz5qe]

Its like tim duncan. He not flashy so he never gets brought up as much. I know he gets respects but not like how he deserves it.

[@javonpeeler2336]

@@nbagoats4819top 20? Bro if he not too 5 what you got going on?

[@Dawgs1011]

When Shannon starts talking about the numbers, it's not small numbers either, it's miles apart. Only way you go against Rice is due emotion or to have a different take than what's fact, that's it.

[@jacobsaucier5346]

“What you mean it ain’t close?” “NO” killed me 🤣

[@Noeasywayoutfitness]

“I was the ball boy for the 49ers!!” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jameskim1505]

Shieet that wins it ain't it 😂😂😂

[@allenrice1573]

"Ocho, You's a lie!!!" (Shannon voice)

[@Legend-tq4pn]

There’s big difference between God given size, talent/athleticism and pure work ethic. Jerry had legendary work ethic. He was constantly trying to improve all year around, every season. And of course a tremendous competitor.

[@MomentumMarketingTips]

Exactly, but Jerry was not more talented than Moss or TO. He just had the best work ethic

[@kcnotjojo99]

That analogy comparison is like LeBron VS MJ

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Moss had legendary work ethic

[@memesenpai6321]

Jerry won championships, produced every year, and set records that will never be broken

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum

[@StuntmanBeatz313]

The argument is always.. Physical Ability vs Physical Production..

[@clintonfaucette7991]

Rice put up a lot of those numbers where the defensive players could jam the wr down the field.The conversation is who the best WR ever to play after Rice.

[@markislivingdeliberately]

Like bird said in the 3 point competition during all star game: “which one of you is getting second place?”

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.

[@mapquestboy]

Jerry is the greatest and it’s not particularly close, 11 straight seasons of 1k yards with 2 different quarterbacks, had the greatest season a wide receiver has ever had in 1987. If you didn’t watch Rice when he was playing, you missed out.

[@cooperfrederic3]

Lol you had prolly two of the greatest qb

[@PoooooopEater]

You guys even listening to Ocho? Numbers aren’t all in a sport. Sport is entertainment, art, and athleticism.

[@Michael-kh1bq]

People lose me when not close look at qb #1 but it is very close tbh. Rice is not head and shoulders above Moss, To, Megatron

[@DeAndra750]

Ocho in order to prove your point you need statistics,data and not word of mouth. Maybe you liked ( moss & t.o.)their style of running and their brashness but numbers don't lie. Period.

[@DeAndra750]

​@@cooperfrederic3and the QBs had great receivers.

[@ShawnMo50]

Moss and TO have an argument because they were transcendent talents but people sleep on how great Rice was

[@joselynthebay4152]

Shannon’s face when he said “HOW!!” 😂 for real speak Shannon!

[@zikkywomak8736]

😂😂

[@BABA-is8kv]

Jerry Rice has more 1000 yard seasons than all the WR's TE's combined in the entire franchise history of the Cleveland Browns.

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.

[@ra2186]

I'm an old head and I've watched all of them play. Rice was like watching a train on schedule. You know it's gonna arrive and you know it's gonna get to the destination. I think he's the greatest NFL player ever. That said, I know exactly what Ocho is talking about. Watching Randy and T.O. play, especially Randy, was different different. Randy was pure speed and domination like never before seen. He was a fucking Lamborghini on a field full of Fords. I get where Ocho is coming from.

[@markislivingdeliberately]

Ocho is basically trying to say they’re the best athletes he’s ever seen. But being a WR isn’t only athleticism. Otherwise put Usain Bolt in, right? But you gotta run routes, catch the ball, and have mental toughness too.

[@markanthony3259]

Well said sir...but I must say I'm Team Ocho on this one

[@21kpetts]

No greater duo please keep it going fellas this is GOLD

[@Racerx215]

I love this two when they have conversations

[@The_Enter_uno]

Rice averaged 1200 yards for 18 years. Modern receivers are retiring after 10-12. Not doing another 6 years at 1200 and 10tds. Jerry was an alien and played in a less pass friendly league with way more violent defenses

[@Jrock420blam]

it really doesnt matter if the league is pass happy, it only matters if your team is. 49ers were very pass happy, they were targeting Rice more then than modern teams target their WR1. teams spread the ball around much more than they used too

[@kenyatatribble342]

​@Jrock420blam one could say they wouldn't have to spread it around as much if one particular receiver was always open. Just food for thought. But I get what you are saying.

[@Jrock420blam]

@kenyatatribble342 not in todays NFL, defenses aren't so simple. Guys like LT, Ray Lewis, Troy, Reed changed how defenses play, it's about film study and being smart more than brute force now. Exclusively relying on one target isn't quite as easy as it used to be. This was an era where 50% of a QBs targets could be to 1 guy, do that today and you're gonna throw 6 picks a game. I hate GOAT debates cause of era and style of play etc changes but I'd pick Jerry if I had too I'm just talking about the reality of the sport

[@kenyatatribble342]

@@Jrock420blam I believe there are limitations to what you can do defensively. I agree that defense has changed. It had to because no one runs the I anymore or lines up under center. Offenses are designed now to spread the field and stretch the defense. However the same coverages are still being played. Cover 1,2 or 3 etc. Defenses have gotten more sophisticated in how they try to disguise what they are doing. With that said there are still ways to create one v one match ups on the outside by placing 3 or 4 receivers to one side of the formation and 1 opposite for example. Today you have teams throwing the ball 50-60 times a game almost like a game time skeleton drill. Lol. I believe Jerry would be just as successful if not more through his work ethic if he were to play in today's game! Hard to compare eras! I agree with you.

[@markislivingdeliberately]

@@Jrock420blamMontana averaged 28 attempts per game. People routinely average 40 a game now. And if you watched Montana he’d throw to his wr’s, te’s, rb’s all the time. They were not just targeting rice. You’re thinking of moss 😂😂

[@rwalt81]

TO will never say he is greater than Jerry, he has nothing but love and respect for Jerry and growing as a receiver up under Jerry.

[@user-er1gl4gy2j]

just because someone says they’re better doesn’t mean they don’t “love” or “respect” that person

[@MK-zz5qe]

Nah, TO got disrespectful with Jerry towards the end of the 49er days.

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.

[@renardfrancois2478]

You guys are awesome. Keep it up.

[@jonathandutra4831]

Jerry rice didn't party in the off-season, Dude was training 2 days after a superbowl win said Steve Young.

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.

[@jonathandutra4831]

@@user-wj9bz8xi9u Jerry rice didn't even wear gloves sometimes. Moss was a quitter

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

@@jonathandutra4831 No need for gloves when you wear stickum. Also nice parrotting of a false media narrative. Moss got to the second most touchdowns of all time because he ALWAYS QUIT!

[@jonathandutra4831]

@user-wj9bz8xi9u 2nd most behind Jerry Rice who did it for 20+ yrs. Stickum really ? Haha These WR nowadays wear gloves that make you spiderman and still won't ever catch rice. Good try though budz !

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

@@jonathandutra4831 bro stickum makes your fingers even stick together haha

[@blueflameSM]

Jerry may not be the most athletic, but his game is impeccable. He has the talent, skill and the numbers. For someone who didn’t have the best 40 time, he was always open, great hands. You’ll never find another Jerry Rice. You can find an athletic freak at WR like TO/Moss, it’s about work ethic if they can get there.

[@runningwithcat6195]

Exactly. It shouldn't matter how "skilled" or "athletic" someone is. In the end, it's about the production (numbers), because it is the most direct correlation to winning. It's like saying Kyrie Irving is greater than Magic Johnson because Kyrie is the most skilled ball handler in the history of the NBA. No, nobody cares how great Ky's ball handling is, if he can't even take his team to the playoffs alongside a generational talent like Luka Doncic. Like Unc said, it ain't even close. Find me ONE GM who'd rather have TO/Moss over Jerry Rice.

[@Wedonewit2020bball]

Noooooo you will never find another randy moss. He was literally catching the ball over 3 people . They literally changed defenses for moss . He couldn’t even get the opportunities anymore

[@markislivingdeliberately]

AB was as close to Jerry as we’ve seen and still wasn’t close! And you don’t need a good 40 time. As Jerry would say “I run a 4.2 40 when I’m being chased!”

[@SmileyBoi21]

Moss is the ultimate Deep Threat and contested catcher but I gotta roll with Rice he was a jack of all trades and damn near a master at all. You can just use Rice in almost everything and that is why I consider him the best WR.

[@brentwoods1401]

Your statement is why Jerry is the GOAT

[@Crafty-Cam1992]

Lance Alworth m was just as good

[@Handslikechess]

Way with words👍

[@markislivingdeliberately]

You don’t gotta be a a great contested catcher when your routes leave you wide ass open 😂😂

[@user-wj9bz8xi9u]

Jerry Rice admitted to cheating using Stickum. Moss is the GOAT.

[@pjsnickers76]

It’s like the scene in the Big Bang Theory in a full comic store. 😂 Amy: “OK, so who’s the best superhero?“ Stuart: “Psssssst! You can’t ask a question like that in here… What are you trying to do? Start a rumble??”

[@jacobcoughlin1822]

lol every time Ocho apologizes for swearing makes me laugh😂😂😂

[@RusselOrhii]

I think what ocho is trying to say is that they’re more physically talented. But that doesn’t mean you’re the best. Jerry rice wasn’t the biggest, fastest, or strongest, but he managed to get open play after play, game after game, and year after year. He’s in the convo for greatest football player regardless of position so putting anyone above him in the WR position is crazy

[@chocolategems6199]

Facts!

[@mantrell502]

And he played against deion, and you could jam the wr all the way down the field

[@bumpin0]

There is a difference between Greatest, best and most skilled/talented. If your ask a NFL fan who's the best wide receiver you have seen play there will be many answers including Jerry, Moss, TO, Calvin Johnson. But Jerry rice is the greatest and its not close. As for best or most talented I think Moss was. It's no different than saying Aaron Rodgers or Mahomes are the two most talented QBs ever but everyone still recognizes Tom Brady as the goat.

[@luissolares7007]

Exactly and he did it when it counted. It is like quarterbacks, Dan Marino was the most talented and best thrower of bal line Montana said, but you cannot put him over Montana and Brady when these guys may not have been as flashy but did it when it counted . Marino has 0 rings. Moss and Owen’s have 0 rings and because of their attitudes that is why I would never put them ahead as rice.

[@drasturrup13]

@@bumpin0 I agree with you. Semantics is the root of many debates. In my opinion the term ' Greatest ' is also too subjective. Rather than greatest I prefer to use most accomplished, but regardless what term is used there can be different interpretations or values given to any said skill.

[@edwardfisher9930]

Jerry put up numbers in an era where the running game was king.. plus he put up numbers in a offense where he had to share the ball... 22 tds in 87' in only 12 games... 1848 yards in 1995 at the age of 32.. in 2002 at the age 40 he had 1200 plus yards and was a pro bowler... moss was out the league by 33... Jerry was first team all pro at 33...

[@Wizznilliam]

The running back wasn't king for San Francisco though. That's part of the reason that they were so great for so long and helped change the game. They were a great passing team in a running back era.

[@codyb.3015]

Niners main rusher at that time being Roger Craig? There's a reason they had a HoF wr and two HoF qbs in the 80s and no HoF RB. They relied on the pass game HEAVILY

[@edwardfisher9930]

@@codyb.3015 from 85-90... Craig was number 2 in total yards behind Eric Dickerson.. the only reason why Roger Craig isn't in the HOF.. is the fumble in the 90 NFC championship game..

[@Gardenstategreat1225]

you dont understand how that offense worked. The west coast offense was considred a extension of the run game. Very similar to how most offenses run today. They believed in getting the ball into their playmakers hands quickly. It was all ball control. They didnt need a rb to just take handoffs. he also had to catch texas routes and swing passes. Thats why craig lead in total yds for years and was beat out only by E.D. Their avg/yds per catch was around 11 with their avg depth of target around 6. Also i went back and checked, They were top 10 in rushing every year but 3. Also a stat that stood out heavily was they were top 3 in avg yds per rush att. Because of how the west coast offense is set up, its very similar to modern spread concepts. It stretches the field horizontally meaning gaps would open up. Also they didnt have a HOF rb mainly because they used to HB's and a FB in the run game heavily. Its a massive misconeption that they didnt run. THey didnt have a bell cow like everyone else so it gets forgotten that they were devasting in the run game. Thats why PA worked so well for them. @@codyb.3015

[@Gardenstategreat1225]

No it wasnt but they still were top ten every year but 3 in total rushing and top 3 every year but 1 in avg/yd per carry during montanas years. They had three backs they used heavily along with screens and short routes. Their offense treated screens and short passes as if they were long distance handoffs. Fun fact, they never led the league in passing. But they had a top 10 offense every year. They were as well balanced as any team has ever been. They werent passing more also. What boosts their number heavily is rice's ability to run after the catch . Absurd numbers for the whole squad actually@@Wizznilliam

[@BryceLemon]

These are guys that are dominant on two different sides of the brain, and therefore have two different perspectives. Ocho values the creativity/artistry of the game (right side). Shannon is valued the numbers/logic if the game (left side). Both have valid opinions in my conclusion, it’s just about preference.

[@ranmandubthree]

No, one's simply wrong. Ocho is speaking from pride, not logic. There's no way T.O. or Moss are even in the conversation. Megatron is the closest thing we've seen to Jerry and has an argument because of early retirement, but the other two are laughable.

[@CasGibson]

Rice has a record for having RECORDS!!

[@williamonchari5592]

Shannon calling him TO is killing me 🤣🤣🤣

[@jackstar6018]

Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!😂

[@jnwofor1795]

Y’all passion is must see TV!! You guys are pure and real in the most loving respectful fun competitive way. Thanks for the weekly night caps

[@hezzi3283]

I agree numbers don't tell the whole story about the greatness of a player

[@courtneycarter5339]

Facts bc emmit Smith number was better than Barry sanders and we all know that not true

[@trendsetter9597]

Shannon says u cant ignore the numbers but does this when comparing himself & Tony Gonzalez

[@truthiscensored]

Rice had 23 TDs in 12 game season (Strike Year)...22 Receiving TDs, 1 Rushing TD...in a run first Era

[@rayj1013]

Against lb's at cb

[@cyberft]

⁠@@rayj1013this the dumbest ish I’ve heard today.

[@reef9273]

​@@rayj1013you smoking crack the 90s is by far the best era of dbs dbs can't even cover now ...

[@reef9273]

​@@rayj1013stop being slow

[@Mdh-tm9eb]

​@@reef9273he ray j can't help it

[@matthewgandy9774]

CHAD " HERE WE GO AGAIN WIT THESE GODDAM NUMBERS " HAD ME CRACKIN UP 😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@GavinEstes16]

It’s definitely a numbers game when someone has WAY BETTER STATS but if they were a lot closer statistically then you can make the argument but hands down JERRY RICE WILL BE THE BEST WR EVER IN THE NFL

[@user-qh7uw6ef4h]

Unc, tell him about your brother. Sterling for them 7 years was RIGHT UP THERE.

[@hadlee189]

I just feel so blessed to have witnessed the greatness Joe Montanna/Steve Young to Jerry Rice, playing for my hometown. Jerry is the Goat hands down.

[@shadow_td]

Hearing about them makes me wish you could watxh there games montana sounds like a beast of QB And the team around him

[@christophermartinez8012]

It’s simple: 1: Jerry Rice 2: T.O 3 Randy Moss

[@FascinatingMaterial]

Megatron......begs to differ

[@trainkobe2424]

Dumb moss 2nd

[@trainkobe2424]

Moss got the TD record 🤣🤣 if he had Brady for just 3 years s*** wouldn’t be close

[@trainkobe2424]

They had better QB den moss

[@kevp6488]

This is a perfect example of a Facts vs Feelings argument. Ocho played the fool on this one.

[@Bino751boutit]

Good work yall

[@blackcat513358]

I watched them all. Jerry was as unique as Moss or any other wr that has ever played, just in a different and sustainable way. Always open, always caught it, never caught.

[@danielsimmons145]

It hit different wen Chad take Dem shades off he finna bug df up.. stay with me now baby 😮😅😂😂

[@deon3133]

Wearing stick em he better caught everything

[@blackcat513358]

@deon3133 He didn't wear stick'um Lol It would have messed up his uniform.

[@deon3133]

@@blackcat513358 he admitted to it and apologized for it lol.

[@blackcat513358]

@deon3133 Haha! Well I'm gonna give him a pass because he should've been in a rocking chair for years by then. It sounds vaguely familiar now that you mention it.

[@Peez1515]

Jerry also had a season where he caught 22tds on 65 catches

[@darrellmcnair9858]

In 12 games.

[@StullaKingKuul]

Is this a real stat

[@mrmelvin3576]

​@StullaKingKuul Yes, it's real.. It was in the strike year of 1987, he did it and they only played 12 games

[@markislivingdeliberately]

@@StullaKingKuulthis quote settles the debate 😂😂. “Is that real?” Is what we all say when looking at Jerry’s numbers.

[@jamesmiley5727]

Ocho got you Unc with that Lebron question! 😂😂😅

[@Illmattic87]

Ocho you making do much sense. The west coast offense foundation was based on 65% passing 35% running. God bless Bill Walsh

[@DavidLee-cw6ci]

The metric Randy wins in is FEAR. Defenders and coordinators were terrified because there was no answer to a guy that can outrun you and outjump you. If he decides to turn up, there ain't nothing you can do.

[@Wizznilliam]

Right. Raw talent and speed is where he wins for sure. The major difference is how those talents were used to achieve results. That introduces a lot of other people and variables that Moss had no control over. That's the main reason that the numbers don't tell everything.

[@joesmith-vd4hu]

Exactly...he was a basketball player playing football with trackstar speed...

[@robertrichard-du4pv]

"If he decides to turn up" That's what separates GOATs from greats.

[@xaviervega468]

@@Wizznilliam Moss had Brady for two playoff runs and his playoff numbers were still garbage.

[@losdog911]

Rice had 1200 yards at 40 years old. What are we talking about here? Jerry had 22 touchdowns in 12 games. LMAO!

[@jesseGfragrance]

Randy moss might be the greatest gifted Great talent at the WR position , of all time , but the fact that Jerry played at the age of 40 and still had 1000+ yards in the year 2002! That’s valid , and after we saw what it took Tom to achieve what he did , I now believe Jerry Rice is the Goat , that’s crazy! And to do it in 2002! Which is a valid year , and competition at that time was 💯 in competitiveness, Jerry Rice is the Goat

[@markislivingdeliberately]

All his years were valid. Remember in 1988 you could launch at a helmet and knock people the fuck out. You could grab and hold the entire field not just in 5 yards. And to top it qb’s didn’t throw 50 times a game and go for it on 4th all the time. They threw it like 25 times on a good day and just played field position. Jerry goated

[@Thedesertguy75]

There are fun conversations, I learn a lot.

[@MichaelSmith-gg2du]

In 2006 if Al Davis traded for TO instead of Randy Moss, the Raiders probably been playoff contenders. TO was a damn workhorse besides the drama that surrounded him

[@RaiderGannon12]

I'm A Raiders Fan, it would not have made a difference that season, they had a horrible offense coordinator, Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter as QB'S

[@JamesWilliams-pc9xs]

Facts. TO played hard every down. With a broken leg. Moss said he plays hard when he wants too. I love Moss but his diva attitude ain’t it

[@MichaelSmith-gg2du]

@@RaiderGannon12 Yeah I'm a Raiders fan too, and you’re right, cause I totally forgot about Aaron Brooks as our quarterback. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Bigchief869]

Jerry Rice is the greatest WR of all time..hands down

[@davidpeters3857]

Hands down 👀 😂😂

[@anthoblalay6172]

Unc was so overwhelmed he called that boy skipp😭😂

[@jantzenhardnett1014]

Chad talking about the Style they played

[@demondwilliams8542]

Moss didn't even block or run the whole route tree. 😂😂

[@6oweLA]

That’s a lie 🤣🤣🤣 He was a crazy route runner if you really payed attention Hitch’s , Gos , fades , post , slants , come backs , wide out screens , jet sweeps , Stop going with the narrative the media paints all the time

[@bobzab1957]

@@6oweLA Nope moss was to tall to be " a crazy route runner" his body wouldnt allow him to run insane routes...( yes he could run those routes but not as nice as a shorter receiver)

[@islandrepublic9166]

@@bobzab1957then you did not watch him play.

[@bobzab1957]

@@islandrepublic9166 and u must have never played football if u think moss was running crisp routes lol . He was feared because of his speed and size holding his arm up letting the qb know hes always open deep. Go back and watch some of him routes lol The wide shuffle those tall WRs do cracks me up. But a casual like yourself loves it i guess.

[@bobzab1957]

"MOSS HIM"

[@Marcuschanged]

Jerry Rice put up those numbers in a running league and a more physical league. Jerry Rice had some of the best hands ever. Jerry Rice did it against the best CB's ever. Jerry Rice was way way way better route runner than Moss and TO combine. Jerry Rice was better than Moss and TO in every category as a wr besides physical gifts. Physical gifts of TO and Moss is the only thing that makes it a conversation.

[@Steadyworking864]

Bruh why the heck I’ve never subscribed. Smh they definitely got my sub now!!

[@mefadon459]

There’s 4 positions closed for argument Qb= Tom Brady Wr= Jerry Rice CB= Deion Sanders LB= Lawerence Taylor

[@avoidmike9435]

Knew it was about to go down when ocho took his shades off to start the show😭😭

[@babiboy181]

PUT YOUR GLASSES BACK ON - Skip 😂😂😂

[@frozennorth3426]

@@babiboy181 There are few people who grate on me more than Skip, but that was So funny. Not even that he was trying to be funny or good at humor when he said it, but just the whole situation, and him stepping outside the product for a moment and commenting on the visual language, like he could fix what he’d said by fixing what it had done to the glasses 🤣 He was a douche, but he was a spectacular douche. Still, I watch a lot more Shay now that it doesn’t come with Bayless. What a turd.

[@wheelchairmanjon]

I think he is more talented physically than Jerry was but overall rice was better because he had determination dedication and discipline I remember a old NFL films segment with him running up a mountain

[@WopJr]

and better QB’s

[@stuntfx2000]

@@WopJrhe had Rich Gannon later in his career and was averaging 80 something catches a year and over 1000 yards.

[@bobzab1957]

cant cover a perfect route runner

[@WopJr]

@@stuntfx2000 who did he have for most of his career

[@truthiscensored]

@@WopJr Moss had Brady for 3 years and still couldn't produce like Rice...Even if you bring up the 23 TDs, Rice had 22 TD in 12 Games (Strike year)...Moss need 16 games...Rice also had a Rushing TD that year, which means he scored 23 TDs in 12 games

[@user-so1hj2fd5w]

Randy was primarily a deep threat. T. O. Was primarily a YAC receiver. Rice did both.

[@russell9411]

T.O did both

[@Norton51]

Jerry was the best because he was a beast and he was the best and precise route runner who ever played. Missed just 17 games in 20 seasons, 14 for an acl in 97. 23 TDs in 12 games. I could go on with it.

[@Mr-ILAMOJ]

Most folks judged their great by athleticism and not just overall greatness. Jerry Rice was THE SYSTEM.

[@markislivingdeliberately]

I wouldn’t say he was the system since the system won 2 super bowls without him. But agreed. Ocho is trying to say they were better athletes. Freak athletes. Jerry was a human being. But he PERFECTED the craft of WR. Like cam newton vs Peyton manning. No question who was more “gifted” and athletic. But not even close who the better qb was. NFL isn’t only about being freak athletes. Skill and mental toughness matter. Jerry never was in trouble and never got kicked off of teams whereas TO and Moss’ careers were tarnished because their mental game was weak af. Like today, metcalf has some TO in him in sheer athleticism. But he’s weak minded. Won’t ever be a great even though he has the talent to be great.

[@TheDemian28]

Both have a valid point, but I understand Ocho sometimes the stats can be subjective because there are external factors for example for the WR is the QB with who play, the game system, offensive coordinator, so if you you isolate the external factor and just based in the pure WR skills Ocho is totally right in his point

[@freesoulbrandon]

I wanna agree with Ocho so bad, I grew up on him, TO & Moss but Jerry was different & his resume’ is undeniable

[@coolnesss16]

Its really not a debate Rice was great in every single area a WR can be. Great route runner, hands, speed, Yards after catch. Balled out in the Superbowl. An MVP in one. Had a year with 1800 yrds in 16 games had a year with 22 TDs in 12 games (70% of Montanas TDs that year) Was getting over 1000 yrs recieving at 39 and 40. Caught a TD pass on the 02 Bucs at 40. Arguably the greatest football player ever.

[@bottomlineoutdoors6187]

If numbers don't matter, you could say Dan Marino is the Best QB to ever play😂😂😂

[@mahlonthomas1775]

So true

[@Saviiq]

Heck me top 5 ever talent

[@mahlonthomas1775]

@@Saviiq He threw the prettiest ball ever

[@KingStreetBrody]

I mean some people say he was the most talented

[@elijahbarefield5597]

​@@mahlonthomas1775 Dan is my favorite quarterback as a Dolphins fan. But the prettiest ball award goes to Warren Moon. Prettiest spiral I ever saw.

[@Tjwick]

i love these twoo

[@dalton4134]

It’s always an argument when discussing the best on stats vs actual best. For example. Stats and career wise devonta smith is the best reciever in college football history. Doesn’t necessarily make him the best to actually play

[@im_nickjames_b1047]

I wish I could have called in on this show. Moss broke Jerry's single season touchdown record (23) and it took him all 16 games to do it. Jerry had 22 in a 12 game strike shortened season.

[@csmoke2k7]

Moss would have got it in 12 games but Patriots played up north in snow games.

[@j.r.fromthabay3944]

Moss barely got it!! He got it with under 2 minutes left in the last quarter of the last game of the season with Tom Brady in his prime and a potent offense that went undefeated (16-0) that season but he still barely got it!! Jerry did it in a strike shortened year with ease!! That alone is proof that Moss is no where near Jerry status!

[@IvoryRoach]

@@csmoke2k7fuck no

[@playlistiphone8743]

@@csmoke2k7 Moss played most of his career inside a dome and came nowhere close. Your weather argument is weak considering how many records Tom Brady broke since passing is harder than catching.

[@plutotech]

@@csmoke2k7 cap. that 2007 year was the greatest offensive of all time. they did it up north.

[@rrmond]

Moss didn't come to play everyday. TO was a tortured soul who let his emotions and past traumas effect his career. Rice was the complete opposite of those two AND STILL ahead of them statistically.

[@reasedogable]

None of what you said is about skillset

[@jessebailey5962]

​@@reasedogableyou have the bigger faster guy. I'll take the winner that does everything every week. You want an athlete that is jacked and fast. I want a football player that puts it all together.

[@rrmond]

@@reasedogable Jerry's skill set was his ability to be better and out work those who were bigger stronger and faster than him. What good is a skill set if you don't properly apply it.

[@reasedogable]

@@rrmond ok but what does past traumas and emotions have to do with anything,or who you feel came to play everyday,just say who’s the best on the field between the lines when they are playing their best

[@reasedogable]

@@rrmond and please I love Jerry but you can’t say TO and Randy didn’t train just as hard

[@ikinsey95]

Feelings aren't facts!! I love it Unc. Ocho has to get out of his feelings and look objectively at the numbers. He has an emotional attachment to his peers. He can't say Rice's accomplishments don't matter.

[@VL1728]

Randy Moss had that WOW factor. But the numbers speak for themselves. Jerry did things nobody else will come close to doing

[@robgotti4157]

Talent don’t beat hard work and Jerry rice always worked hard on the field

[@cyberft]

I can’t believe this Jerry Rice disrespect. I grew up in the Bay Area and Jerry Rice was everything. He played in a non passing era yet his records stand til this day. Dude was always open. Always made the big catch. Was always a threat to score. Was never scared to get hit, etc.

[@Mr.Oct___]

Mouthful.

[@QuestionEverything562]

Also, Rice had to play on that muddy goulash of a field known as Candlestick Park. Whereas Moss had a dome to cover his head from the conditions for most of his best years. Rice >>>>> Moss

[@cyberft]

@@Mr.Oct___ because he is the 🐐 receiver, and was considered the goat football player until these modern era WRs started disrespecting.

[@Wizznilliam]

Jerry Rice deserves all his accolades for sure. But he was definitely on a passing team even if it wasn't a passing era. It definitely didn't hurt for him to play with those QBs, in that system, for that organization, in that era. He was fearless and great but that is a lot of pluses in categories that many great raw talent players have no control over.

[@cyberft]

@@Wizznilliam you’re just making stuff up. Teams today are passing about 50% more than they did during Rice’s era. And the 49ers were never even in the top 5 in passing attempts and were rarely in the top 10 during Rice’s time. Nice try though.

[@mustysmells817]

The amount of downplay and disrespect to Jerry is unreal because people only see numbers and pretend he's nothing but stats. You can literally take away the stats and it's STILL in Jerry's favor. Even the eye test and skillset Jerry is still a better receiver. The only thing Moss has over Jerry is running deep and jump balls, and mfs pretend like Jerry was a bum at it. (Jerry still has the most 50+ TD record) Jerry is: Better with hands (reliably) Better playbook compatibility (Jerry can fit into any and every system in football without drop in production) Better route runner Better at reading defenses Better agility Better balance Better blocker (Jerry is literally the greatest blocking receiver ever) Better at short passes Better at screens Better at YAC Better ball security Better at taking hard hits Better longevity Better at playing across the middle Better in the clutch Better at handling pressure (playoffs) Better at handling superior competition (Jerry can route up Primetime, that's all you need to know) Better conditioning Better work ethic (NO ONE works harder than Jerry rice.) And last of all, Jerry will never give up during a game. There have and will be Receivers in the past and future that will be better than Jerry in some categories, but never will there be a receiver that surpasses Jerry in ALL categories. And that's not even including his ridiculous stats.

[@TheTyJenks]

I think what Ocho is trying to say is numbers can be circumstantial. Athletes are all playing the same game but when it's a TEAM game your numbers can be significantly impacted by your teammates. This especially applies when you try to apply different players from different eras. Gotta think outside the numbers.

[@PapaYogito]

This is simple. Ocho is more in love with the idea of what Moss said because they align more together with their SuperBowl achievements. There's no way Ocho really believes what he is saying.

[@LuckyShowTime]

Jerry did all that in a running back’s league w/o blazing speed. He did all that with pure footwork and hands. I hated the Popeye’s commercial with a PASSION!!! But to do all that running a 4.71 is WILD!!!

[@teamsilva7563]

The part that’s unarguable about Jerry as the GOAT. Not only does he blow everyone else out when look at the numbers but he won all those championships as well with two different QB’s. And still was elite with the raiders! I mean cmon. To me Jerry as the GOAT receiver is set in stone. Go ahead and argue other positions but that one is locked up.

[@snowhawk04]

Jerry Rice is the GOAT. People talk about Moss putting up his hand calling for the ball. Jerry did that too. Moss had all of the potential in the world to be the greatest, but he didn't have the heart. Best play? Jerry. Best game? Jerry. Best season? Jerry. Best playoffs? Jerry. Most accolades? Jerry. Contributed more to winning? Jerry. Better in the clutch? Jerry. Illegal contact was completely different before Moss hit his peak.

[@teslam3m592]

Jerry played during a different era. DB's had their hands on you all the way down the field and it was legal. Can you imagine if Jerry played in today's pass happy rules?