Remove Random Crits From TF2

[@UncleDane]

First off, I just want to say: THANK YOU for all of the feedback! I hope that whether you agree with me or not, you can understand my viewpoint, or at the very least were entertained. Here's an unused montage and a few extra clips, if you're interested in seeing more undeserved kills or extra clips of the awesome collaborators featured in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJvTaaSDf9JkoLc A good number of people have been asking what I mean when I say "Casual and Competitive Mode should be as similar as possible" (aka Bridge The Gap™). I hope this comparison graph clears things up: i.imgur.com/XISXuun.png Feel free to check out the Twitter thread discussion on the suggestions proposed in this image for more information on the specifics of my reasoning, such as my endorsement of re-adding stopwatch to Casual: twitter.com/danekevincook/status/1021460778103189504 I could have elaborated on this in the video, but I felt like it would have taken me way too far off topic, and decided to cut it short at "this is a subject for another video entirely" - which it is. Maybe you'll see this video someday!

[@tabls5874]

random crits are part of a fair and balanced breakfast

[@Sithari_XAOS]

I think the best option is remove them from Valve Official servers, leave them in MVM, and make it toggle-able on community servers. Other than that, another good video.

[@jimmythornseed8605]

4:36 is naming cp_granary also cp_gravelpit intentional? It's funny if it is or isn't, but I want to know! Also I can't imagine TF2 without the hats, or the crits, yeess, *the crits* -- Beautiful sparks of colored death reign down from the heavens, promising death and lawless disarray, constantly upsetting the order. I get butterflies in my tummy just *thinking* about them.

[@pillgrimm]

Hey, thanks for making the video! It's incredibly well made and educational.

[@Intexterior]

You had a clear point of why you think the random crits should be removed, even though I disagree with the idea. First we need to fix the matchmaking system and leave this for the future. Also great quality video as always.

[@shutupnerd9694]

i like the idea that uncle dane had a folder labeled "random crit deaths" and had it filled to the brim with 500gb of video footage

[@Floodbait_117]

Only 1 file?

[@dinonuggiesguy4847]

Timestamp?

[@mokeymokey9697]

Sasquatch

[@thatoneguy7715]

500Tb*

[@Crazylom]

500 gb, you say?

[@lagartoloco94]

David vs Goliath first recorded case of random crit in history

[@richardsantalone9380]

funny

[@realchezboi]

insouciant

[@janemaria8912]

God is gabe newell because he adds random crits into life

[@alguemdisserock9009]

Seriously,you are a genius

[@janemaria8912]

Wait I just realised that wasn't a random crit because david shot goliath in the eye signifying a headshot so David is the sniper class from team fortress 2

[@yurayt1913]

Fun fact: The mad milk can get random crits for some reason. I've seen it before, and It doesn't do anything, why does this feature exist.

[@highway_roadkill]

the Jarate and Gas Passer can too, for some reason.

[@ovenwater4699]

s h i n y m i l k

[@silly-9951]

The mutated milk makes a big boi bread on the enemies faces when thrown.

[@deadpunisher4584]

This is the only weapon type that deserves random crits

[@courier1337]

Killbinds can also crit yourself.

[@mylo9116]

19:50 "I am very confident 5 years from now, there will be an entire generation of tf2 competitive..." that didnt age so well

[@AndrewChumKaser]

Yeah. Unfortunately Dane overestimated the impact of having a divisive competitive mode would have on the health of the game. Turns out what the game apparently needs is just more hats and wacky shit like the seal thrown in. *Sigh...*

[@gabrielebasa4292]

​@AndrewChumKaser oh, how clueless we were on what was about to happen

[@chocolatemilkman680]

it could've aged well if VALVe comp wasn't actively draining to think about

[@roboticus9518]

I've never played the official competitive mode. What is so bad about it?

[@AndrewChumKaser]

@@roboticus9518 in short; it's hardly any more fun than just playing casual, and because it has long que times (lacking in players) and the game doesn't count if a player leaves, it's agony to even just start playing at all.

[@weebscp0966]

I like the fact that the scout’s voice actor is so involved in youtube that I cant tell if you got him to actually say this.

[@theelusinianmysteries]

096 NO!

[@weebscp0966]

@@theelusinianmysteries AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@Coryn02]

He totally did; the blooper reel for this video includes some of the cut footage of Nathan Vetterlein doing his thing for the episode.

[@orangutanman2470]

he did, check the desc

[@lambdalabs7807]

He did

[@blackspy8331]

"casual and competitive should be as similar as possible" Valve: hmmmmmm... okay *proceeds to add random crits to comp*

[@Victor-056]

That is One way for Dane's plan to back fire. And I feel that is Well deserved. He tried to remove something that was part of the game since day one, and hasn't been complained about unless by bitchy little shits who either can't play worth a damn, or don't Seem to understand that TF2 is _Not Overwatch._ You can't just rush an enemy wielding a Grenade or Rocket Launcher and expect to survive! (That is me talking about how many _none-demoknight players_ have done that when I played Soldier or Bomber-Demo, then have the Gall to Bitch about running into the barrel of a Rocket Launcher or Grenade Launcher and cry about being 'OP as Fack, pls Neerf!' like the Whiny little idiots they are.)

[@magnificentcheeseburger6996]

waIT NOOOOO

[@SisuBjörk]

Random crits are so fucking DUMB!

[@mr.nickname9172]

Lazarus056 you like random critical hits?

[@greenslimeswag]

*plz no*

[@TomgirlTears]

Uncle Dane: Update the game to remove random crits from TF2! TF2: *removes updating the game*

[@8neb504]

hahahaha

[@Coollest1212]

a fair example of how tf2 would be without random crits is a roblox inspired from tf2 is typical colors 2 it has no random crits at all plus has many other features which tf2 lacks and another one being a votekick can only be started by a player with level 50+ so bots on a fresh account wont be able to votekick someone for no reason

[@monke4233]

I play it too, far more balanced

[@therealtony2009]

@@robloxic-p7g the game controls terribly for me

[@Astrosk1er]

@@Coollest1212 I’ve also played that and believe they do have it but it’s much more obvious

[@youngthinker1]

My current favorite TF2 joke, is the heavy taunt "Table Tantrum." Due to the mechanics of most taunts, or oversights by the creators, the taunt is meant to be stationary. However, if you do the taunt on a cart or something else that can move heavy, without breaking the taunt, then you generate a floating table while heavy stares at the now empty space with anticipation for his next meal.

[@lemlem35]

I love how you got the actual scout voice actor for this

[@cfdeers]

You can actually pay most voice actors to read out stuff in a certain voice. You can pay the NBA Jam guy to read the Wikipedia definition of CBT to read it out in the NBA Jam voice.

[@lemlem35]

@@cfdeers holy shit that's hilarious

[@bigladmatt6769]

@@lemlem35 please do that

[@chrisbagley7034]

Welp time to get rick may oh Wait

[@heysianpopnley5198]

@@chrisbagley7034 Don't....

[@Tobiased]

Is this a normal intro for onc- *Oh.*

[@ananonymousspectator5747]

Tobiased With this title, I expected that to happen in the intro.

[@josephpickle6850]

Same.

[@VanHahstuz]

Yeah, I noticed it looked slightly updated. Went "Uh, nice!", then it goes "OH WHAT THE ...Ah, yeah".

[@andrewthejew6007]

ik that crit was coming lol

[@megarayquaza9054]

Late to the Party, but when I first saw this video I just thought "Would it be funny if a Crocket comes along?"

[@conga4277]

“Slow but steady content updates” that aged well.

[@skatepirate97]

wah

[@help9602]

like fine wine

[@kristofingaming9888]

@@help9602 randomly scrolling and found a comment from 30 minutes ago lol

[@fluffgalaxy4884]

Aged like milk

[@dundun26]

@@fluffgalaxy4884 u like milk?

[@Cheese--Man]

"Why dont u play comp!?" Well last time i tried to queue for comp i ended up SLEEPING and when i woke up it was still searching

[@maxydal3512]

"The TF team listens to this community, even if the response is very slow" Understatement of the century.

[@Star-nl5id]

Well, it still applies today. The TF team HAS responded to the bot issue and started dealing with it. It just took months

[@frozenturbo8623]

@@Star-nl5id 2 months later, the updates (Most are minor but if you combine alot of them they can be considered a major update but still I'll just consider no major update for 4 years) actually fixing the bot problem but not the random crit or random bullet spread

[@TheyCallMeIce]

lets not forget about BOTS' 100% CRIT RATE (atleast on melee)

[@windrogue78]

hahaha..... i literally cannot play casual. 3 or more bots per server. I spent a half hour searching.

[@randomdisplayname748]

@@frozenturbo8623 3 months later, we'll wait for em update

[@LazyPurple]

Nice truth bombs Uncle Dane. One of the most common comments I would get on my "TF2 is a Timeless Masterpiece" video is that I """""forgot""""" to talk about random crits. People would even go as far as to say that random crits were a counterpoint to my arguments about what makes TF2 great. I didn't talk about random crits in that video because I literally don't even see them as part of the game at this point. Honestly, random crits feel as incidental and out of place as any gameplay bug would. I can't wait to wake up to some patch notes reading "fixed a bug where you would randomly do 300% base damage with no falloff." TF2 combat is so brilliantly constructed... please Valve let it stand on its own merit Oh and also, the pokemon battles were an absolute pleasure! Great idea for illustrating that concept

[@anonymouscrab2013]

I actually thought of you (with your "how it feels" intro's) when that popped up.

[@portablerefrigerator4902]

Hie

[@mr.present6591]

Let's bring #norandomcrits alive

[@some_goomba]

It always feels good to get RC's on servers... But I agree 100%, they gotta go.

[@Optive]

and your video will still be relevant when they're removed from the game

[@creativecreepyturtle1562]

Imagine when you load your gun, you just see a glowing bullet

[@tonyalcaponey]

Give this man a medal

[@creativecreepyturtle1562]

@@tonyalcaponey It was 5am lol

[@Justalilsilly]

@@creativecreepyturtle1562 how most funny comments are made.

[@shybandit521]

@@Jack3G That was actually tested recently by some guy. If you could see when your next shot will be a random crit, how do people play? It didn't change much, farming crits usually meant not pushing the objective.

[@pantlooner9601]

I think shounic showed that off in a vid

[@purplehaze2358]

"I can confidently attribute the increasingly slow but steady content updates and balance changes to the continued success of TF2." "The TF-team listens to this community even if their response is very slow, things do happen when we ask for it." That aged well.

[@waitingfortheequinnox]

We’re getting a 64-bit upgrade and our .exe file no longer says hl2.exe; these are good times

[@aloedg3191]

Yea ​@@waitingfortheequinnox

[@aloedg3191]

@@literallywhons4s racism is wrong

[@izzy-wt9sr]

Well, the bots are gone now at least.

[@owl1095]

Dane: *does strategic math with healing items and damage calculations and stuff* 75% of the TF community: *just shoot til he's dead*

[@neeevirus]

@@Charlie-id4tvI didnt know players eat pipes

[@juicenozzle2575]

@@neeevirus most people don't until you meet a competent demo

[@plbster]

@@neeevirus Yeah we eat pills

[@theblandcharlie822]

Booger Bread Did someone say BOOGER BREAD?

[@ted5729]

YOU DONT NEED SHOT UNTIL HE'S DİE JUST GET A RANDOM CRİT

[@severafan9262]

"The TF community listens" 1 year later: "We heard that you guys hate random chances in TF2, so we increased the unusual unbox rate to 100%!"

[@Dushess]

BUT, all of those hats is untradable.

[@lookdontlook8829]

Dushess the first unusual you unboxed is tradeable

[@Dushess]

@@lookdontlook8829 that meant to be fix for free unusuals sellers.

[@venomouszebr9755]

How to roast a random crit denial

[@soares5792]

Best waifu

[@FloodlightGamingReal]

Fun fact: there is an achievement called "Crockets are such BS" and to get it, you have to get 2 random crit rockets in a row. I'm not joking, I got it accidentally in a x100 server

[@sirsnausages2164]

I got it yesterday. It's relatively easy to get if you play soldier a lot.

[@chocolatemilkman680]

@@sirsnausages2164 *for 10 seconds

[@Otakumanu]

I'ts very old too, pretty sure I got it during the WAR update.

[@Celticway1]

Same

[@susamogus8331]

Oh wait what I always thought that was live a crocket

[@Bears-Are_Swell]

15:32, the scotsman’s skull cutter is entirely viable just because of random crits, the weapon IS random crits.

[@diegoalangomezchavez8128]

But if you think about it it’s demos best sword bc lf its damage bonus

[@Bears-Are_Swell]

@@diegoalangomezchavez8128 that speed penalty tho, it just can’t compete with the swords that provide insane buffs

[@TheCapper-fz4ec]

​@@Bears-Are_Swell I see it more as a normal demo weapon because of the longer reach and not having benefits with charge

[@artifactU]

@@TheCapper-fz4ec you know what other demoman melees have longer range & no benefits with charge? the eyelander & half zatoichi. also theres a loading screen tip that reads: "As a Demoman, the Scotsman's Skullcutter will reduce your speed. Consider pairing it with the Chargin' Targe, Splendid Screen, or Tide Turner in order to offset the speed reduction." on top of that it also deploys & holsters slower. i think the speed reduction while charging is unintended

[@fumothfan9]

​@@diegoalangomezchavez8128and worst as its the slowest forcing you to use a shield and give up any SBLs in the process On degroot though it is the meta / final save / push on either side

[@maxallen121]

Dude Nathan Vetterlein is just such a great guy. Hes done scout's voice for so many people's work and its just so nice to see how he interacts with the community.

[@LeviForWaifu]

He has nothing else going for him He's tried sketch comedy youtube channels for like 7 years and not really gotten anything

[@gominho9424]

@@LeviForWaifu He should try to voice act more characters. I love his voice.

[@LeviForWaifu]

@@gominho9424 I have never gotten an explanation as to how he got started at valve. He did tf 2 then one voice in L4D2.

[@eeveeboi7174]

the part were it mentions the sillyness of public mathes makes me remember this time i used heavys shotgun taunt were he says "you are dead" (this was durring setup) and a enemy soldier said "yes sir" and suicided, i laughed so hard

[@owenlarsen2346]

i like this. this is good. this is what casual is there for.

[@significantpepper5274]

I feel like games shouldn't be purely casual or purely competitive. Games should allow you to play for fun or to play to win.

[@werewolftapus7630]

Did he ragdoll or explode

[@memelurd7341]

AH YES CASUAL *MATHES*

[@jaydeekayex]

"the devs are working" *>1000 days later...*

[@tylerlackey1175]

Zzzz.... whu.. huh..? I-is that an update?? Finally after all this time! >localization files

[@alvisyahrin2276]

Hey, they need ideas ok

[@teddlo9669]

@@alvisyahrin2276 look, they've had lots of time to think. Comming up with an idea probably won't take more than a month, but talking to their commuinity and letting is know they haven't given up on this game does NOT take over 3 years!

[@alvisyahrin2276]

@@teddlo9669 if only the community can be the maker of the update... Just think about it

[@n0kla]

@@alvisyahrin2276 **looks at workshop** they have plenty of em

[@wolfnx336]

Being a medic main I 100% agree, random crits are just a pain when you take a calculated risk that one shots you just *because*

[@krakenofthesea106]

Only crap players like them, when they get better they usually change their opinion of them. Unless they like the most dead joke in the game. "HahA RanDoM cRiT FuNnY"

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

I remember that time I played medic on frontier, with 40 seconds left on the timer, and was at 95 percent uber, and then i prepared to make a push to save the game, and a soldier gets a crocket and i die That was the time I switched to uncletopia.

[@nigeladams8321]

I'm kind of conflicted honestly, because it sucks getting killed by a Crockett as a medic, but man casual TF2 players don't know how to protect medic and the random crit comes in clutch sometimes

[@JIKwood]

Random crits also make it so you gain less uber out of that poor spy in your melee range with your Uber saw.

[@fumothfan9]

Random crit heals are a thing though and work based on health and time since taken damage

[@tsukinesis9797]

love that scout actually voiced himself.

[@Undercoversteve96]

That and when I saw idubbz was sooo good

[@thisismuezza4377]

Seriously??!!!

[@101Volts]

@@thisismuezza4377 Yeah, that's the actual voice actor for scout. He's the only one of the voice actors who kept active with the community, if I remember right.

[@Kill0trocity]

@@101VoltsYes and he is a heavy main too

[@skorupigo5544]

@@101Volts sandwich saga

[@monkegaming6416]

Poor uncle dane, he has to make a dispenser for no reason every episode.

[@devilsMasquerade]

It's the scouts. They just NEED a dispenser here.

[@JeSuisMrCraft]

Dispencer is love, dispencer is life

[@moranoaldre]

@@JeSuisMrCraft medic is love, medic is DEAD

[@jakman8515]

and he can't even build anything else as shown in the latest video "How to deal with every class as engineer"

[@theycallmetheslime]

@@moranoaldre NOT THE MEDIC!

[@shocksword6847]

7:36 "And I kid you not, the soldier took a swan dive out of the window. He took a swan dive. He's swan soldier. The funniest shit I've ever seen."

[@triangulum8869]

Sean Kang God fucking damnit

[@RF-Ataraxia]

oh my god

[@michaelboydston313]

Soldier's reaction to Rick Mays death

[@charliearnold3487]

Looks like something straight out of a gmod

[@Capin_KO]

😂😂😂😂

[@jimraynor3132]

Something that really sold me on getting rid of random crits is when they don’t exists I almost completely forget about them but when they do they mostly just frustrate me.

[@ME0WMERE]

Totally. Sometimes I play on dane's server - when I go back to casual, I will eventually die in one hit to some gibus engineer running at me with a wrench and go 'oh yeah, that is a game mechanic'

[@AnimatronIsHere]

random critical hits are fair and balanced. but only when i get them.

[@damnitspowo3234]

@Raphael Murch I only get crits when i rocket jump and it's sad.

[@mf6610]

Literally what everyone feels

[@damnitspowo3234]

@Raphael Murch it's not the point

[@damnitspowo3234]

@Raphael Murch The point went right over your head.

[@tehlishen2524]

yes

[@geraldysjunk]

I love how Pyro has random crits. "Yeah, that fire was extra hot!"

[@Koopkiris]

"I forgot to put my flame retardant skin on my back! I sure hope nobody has a special back.. fire..." I'm sorry

[@tankhead2645]

Makes less sense than how soldier magically has realistically damaging rockets

[@king-xz2ls]

@@Vomer0 like how lethal gas is just spicy air?

[@king-xz2ls]

He just turned up the heat gauge but because it’s pyro it’s random and he does it on accident he doesn’t wanna hurt anybody

[@ThereTerente]

no you fool he just got premium propain

[@boodle399]

Tbh the only thing I like about crits is how melee weapons have a alternate animation for getting a crit. That's it, a minor detail is the best part about crits

[@LordVader1094]

Also the fact that it's the entire reason melee is worth using

[@andrew_h6]

@@LordVader1094 Running at people with a melee like your hand is taped to the keyboard shouldn’t be rewarded in the first place. Melee should always be last resort or utility. If you die because your melee didn’t do enough damage, then you should’ve done more damage with your gun before pulling out your knife.

[@paodeskate822]

And the cool effects in weapons and projectiles affected by crits

[@anafu-sankanashi8933]

@@andrew_h6 my favorite example of this is the backscratcher. pyro is already a combo heavy class so maybe a stronger melee to pair with a flare combo or just flamethrower+ shotgun is really good, plus it makes pyro more lone wolf like but i only see peoploe use it to one shot soldiers since its basically extra damage crits.

[@gustthestupidnoob2393]

@@andrew_h6 sad demo knight noises

[@mistabean9272]

"i'm sure that in five years there will be a legion of people who cite competitive mode as a reason they started playing" ...that one didn't age very well

[@acoolgoose1782]

Can we talk how a pan can get crits ? Imagine it on real life: you cookin some food and then your food instantaly get fried because you got a crit

[@flying_gorilla8069]

I don’t think it’s really the pan. It’s the character swinging and hitting you hard as you can.

[@tinynugget6848]

what if everything had random crits? You typing something and get a random crit now you need a new keyboard

[@smickothesmickest]

Oh man, that pan was extra hard

[@PeanutButterParker]

wait, that doesn’t happen?

[@augustogcasper3311]

A new meaning of fast food

[@SmileytheSmile]

Valve employee after watching this video: "Oh, I get what you're saying. We should add a new mechanic to TF2, random defence, that would absorb a hit in its entirety at random, depending on how much damage a person dealt recently! These mechanics will cancel each-other out!"

[@_narrows]

I'm glad too see someone else has thought of this atrocity of an idea.

[@HyahMaster]

Smiley the Smile yo why is that so real.

[@dy4914]

So true

[@Generalek333]

*sweats in Warhammer 40.000*

[@Bogan360dude]

Genius

[@chocolatemilkman680]

"If you hate random crits so much why dont you go play competitive mode?" me living in 2021 where comp servers no longer exist:

[@immortalsun]

They don’t?

[@chocolatemilkman680]

@@immortalsun well I've been queued for one for literal days but haven't found one so yes they do not exist

[@Otakumanu]

Community servers like Uncle Dane's still have comp rulesets, or so I've heard. I don't play comp myself.

[@ShockInazuma]

@@unityofvitality-5875 they didn't say it was REMOVED, rather not many are PLAYING competitive

[@gogeode]

it usually only takes me like 20 minutes to be able to get into a competitive match when I want to play one

[@coffeeubertime7116]

5 years later I can confirm no one joined tf2 for the competitive scene

[@anyoneatall3488]

Does this game still even have a competitve scene

[@scrittle]

There are unofficial tournaments here and there.

[@MatthewRoux-nw9ve]

Agreed

[@melon2electricboogaloo940]

“The tf2 dev team is slowly trying to bridge the gap between casual and competitive” Yes very slowly

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Yeah, which is also why the game is slowly dying as more and more players look elsewhere for their TF2 experience.

[@JustinWHY-zz7gz]

Or, none at all

[@seamusmckeon9109]

I really hope the one TF2 dev is working on a competitive oriented balance overhaul

[@RealVibesONG]

Uncle Dane’s tactic: Do the math watch your enemy’s movement attack at the right time My tactic: Pew pew until body hits ground

[@ThadiusHaner]

Braystad You mean how to play Heavy

[@itsgudstuf6485]

@So same.

[@the_Red_Star]

Surely you at least look at damage numbers when you fight...?

[@joshuanorton8084]

My tactic: Try to play good and if playing good fails, run straight into the enemy team and dying.

[@ShadeShaadent]

Shoot gun swing thing die lots, that’s my tactic

[@MelRosewood]

The flare gun gets random crits. The weapon that is supposed to reward you with precise projectile shooting with crits, gets random crits.

[@ayakaasama]

High chance of completely missing the crit

[@TheyCallMeIce]

Yeah, I just LOVE how SOME weapons with a guaranteed crit mechanic HAVE random crits, and some dont. take the frontier justice, diamondback, neon annihilator, etc. vs the flair gun and kgb. also tell me why the huntsman gets random crits. The huntsman, a sniper weapon with a broken head hitbox, can get random crits.

[@bando4772]

@@TheyCallMeIce the huntsman doesn't get random crits

[@user-bo6vy5eg8g]

@@TheyCallMeIce the broken head hitbox is the random crit

[@michaeli7976]

let's not forget that THE BACKBURNER HAS RANDOM CRITS. "incredible game design, very balanced, 10/10." -5 backburner pyros after leaving no trace of my body while I'm playing spy. true story.

[@ITYW]

I’ve heard both sides and the only solution is to remove them from casual and add them to competitive. Seems the most fair

[@maozedong69420]

Based

[@LamerGuy]

This is the only correct answer

[@unaffectedbycardeffects9152]

✅️

[@fumothfan9]

Hard agree tbh Competitive players whine the most but proceeded to also ban like 90% of taunts and weapons not stock or default taunts. Meanwhile Pubs would benefit from more forced team based coop. Also add random bullet spread to comp and remove from pubs

[@ivrydice0954]

uncle dane: Remove random crits smash: *Adds random crits

[@blu9000]

Lol that is so true the difference everyone in the smash community hates it

[@Mr_Fancypants]

Didn't mr game and watch have random crits in brawl?

[@blu9000]

Everyone's favorite neighbourhood nazi yeah but hero is even worse

[@crishon2121]

James Bridge I like it. He’s a fun character.

[@ChaosBW]

@@crishon2121 he's fun because he's overpowered and you're bad Is what a noob might say Having played hero a lot I can say, in my opinion, he's a mid tier character I can't even get over 2 mil points as him Got over 5 mil as DDD

[@roberteckert7891]

My two cents: It's fun to randomize WHAT you fight, not HOW you fight

[@snekkie117]

no

[@bread6435]

@@snekkie117 yeah

[@significantpepper5274]

Basicay Fall Guys

[@notloopers1110]

I love absolute chaos and randomizers and stuff, but randomly just killing your opponent by luck is only fun when the opponent knows that the weapon your using is all about gambling for destruction

[@significantpepper5274]

@huong ma Random crits are unreactable RNG.

[@andersonle68]

That one engie swinging his wrench around and gets a random crit...

[@Rat_Fบcker]

When you are a spy sap his turet and shoot him with revolver to distract him You believe you got him for sure you only need one more shot from your revolver And then he just crit you with wrench You fail your only job of destroying sentry and your team lose a round coz they can't get pass the sentry

[@Glsmakgn]

@@Rat_Fบcker Pain...oh my god the pain...And then they say "cry" or lenny binds... it happened today too. im salty rn

[@Rat_Fบcker]

@@Glsmakgn i just have aimbot hacker and a kill bind script that just said player name and ZA WARUDO every time they got kill Wtf is wrong with comunity

[@kreng872]

@@Rat_Fบcker epic jojo referass

[@Sean-yj4wq]

When youre a noob spy backstabbing a sniper, except he has the Razorback. After the sniper notices, he pulls out his kukri and well... you know what happens next

[@lemono5954]

I like how the dispenser in the intro lives because buildings don’t take crit damage random or not

[@Jo-ew7lw]

i remember when I was first playing, i was playing melee heavy, and I kept on getting random crits, but I thought since heavy is a very strong, muscular, sexy god, I thought he had some passive buff that instantly kills when he punches someone.

[@MugzyPalana]

shmless noice

[@brandongreen4439]

@Infinite Stratos While I like that idea, I like the fact that, Scout excluded, everyone's Melee is the kinda the universal constant of every kit. Classes may change but scout excluded the Melee is a reliable(?) tool for a set amount of damage that can be modified to help your playstyle more if you want.

[@AllSonial]

Same. My brain went: "Russisn boi strong, He punch hard, one punch kill."

[@cinex20]

When I was starting to play TF2, I got crit sawed by a Medic, which made me believe, that Medic's Bonesaw is insanely good. Spoiler alert: *it wasn't :(*

[@EarthyTKarma]

@@AllSonial One Punch Heavy

[@titansmashproductions5001]

Uncle dane when he plays: Calculating damage of his opponent and himself. Me when i play: FUCKIN SHOOT IT TILL IT STOPS MOVING

[@ksmith4388]

Most people just shoot and dodge in fps games. He is over analyzing it intentionally to make his argument.

[@adityamaram6293]

@@ksmith4388 Sure, most people don’t care about damage numbers, but higher level players that take the time to practice the skill are still affected. It still ties in with his point that there isn’t a point in developing these skills since random cries invalidate that skill. Plus, you probably do a lower level of this analysis, by subconsciously taking note of what weapons the opponent is and playing around that. For example, you might take note of a sniper using jarate and bushwacka and take more care in keeping some distance between yourself and the sniper.

[@pinoarias8601]

@@adityamaram6293 it doesn't invalidate the skill, crits just make it so sometimes their math isn't 100% on point, this is a casual FPS, not chess.

[@adityamaram6293]

@@pinoarias8601 even then, it still makes the skill useless in certain encounters where a person gets a crit. It’s still better to have no situations where the skill can’t be applied rather than some situations.

[@afungai1649]

If you actually play the way Dane says he does, then you’re going to lose literally every single 1v1 fight in the game. TF2 is a stupid funny little game with silly hats for everyone to wear, this shit is not rocket science. The game was built to be casual and that’s what it will always be.

[@ImpTheSimp]

Valve: no more random crits. Pricelist.tf : Strange professional killstreak pan is now worth 0.33 ref.

[@Ph0n3numb3r]

You know how the economy works right? I know this is a joke, but people buy a strange pan, because it is multi class, not because of "100% random crit rate" it would not change anything

[@LD-sx9pr]

Phone have you forgotten memes? Literally one meme made duped shovels inflate in price

[@start3079]

@@Ph0n3numb3r pan has 100% crits bro

[@start3079]

@@LD-sx9pr are u blind pan has 100% crits its now 50% off buy now omg amazing

[@Ph0n3numb3r]

@@LD-sx9pr thats because a lot of degenerates decided to artificially inflate the price. Also SUPPLY AND DEMAND... there probably isnt many duped shovels, so when 200+ people started trying to get one, it obviously made an effect on the market.

[@GWROliver]

22:49 "The TF team listens to this community." That aged like milk.

[@xflasz]

Unfortunately..

[@etrangray-mane8610]

*Mad* milk? I'll see myself out.

[@ohmeohmicah]

@@etrangray-mane8610 Well, it definitely made us mad, I'll say that much

[@harrison1860]

when i first started the game i thought the ubersaw gave crits when you hit someone from behind because i got a random crit and i tried to do that for so long

[@goon5665]

New medic weapon idea

[@johnmusgrave7990]

😳

[@definitelyamagikarp4380]

Holiday Punch is that you?

[@bumblebot2458]

*Meet the Spy.*

[@Sandthesand]

@@bumblebot2458 intruder alert! Red spy in the base!

[@huehue6346]

"There's literally no single weapon that changes significally the gameplay without random crits" Pan: *cries in crit language*

[@co5micwaffle742]

*Cries in every single all-class stock reskin*

[@solisruben296]

Holiday punch: *Cries in needing a medic to be useful*

[@vesperiandrip3604]

@@solisruben296 acualy nope the holiday still can do its work all you need is to hit their back and knowing how tf2 see's where is a persons back... you wont see a change

[@solisruben296]

@@vesperiandrip3604 I did not know that thank you! But really though how do you expect a big loud Russian man to sneak behind enemy lines

[@iamacatperson7226]

Uber saw: Am I a joke to you?

[@49mozzer]

"melee is a last resort or a utility" demoknight TF2

[@zachsz9320]

Most demoknight's swords don't have random crits that's why he didn't talk about them

[@kronkrian100]

That is the purpose of melee. The fact that demoman can create a sub-class that can make melee work full time thanks to his weapons is completely different thing and has nothing to do with the topic.

[@blu4390]

@@zachsz9320 he was joking

[@pizzweak580]

@Magnus Farseer Pyro's these days don't know how to airblast

[@pizzweak580]

@Magnus Farseer Implying they even can

[@SasooXD]

exactly five years have passed and the competitive mode is as dead as it could be!

[@maozedong69420]

Not big suprise!

[@chickensofdeath490]

10:58 this is actually TRUE, my dad played tf2 for the first time tonight and got a random crit and got a double kill, I told him he got a random crit and he was like, oh, cool. He had no clue what had happened

[@casiooooooo]

Your dad still play tf2?

[@knox9739]

That wholesome

[@whenthemewhen2755]

Gamer dad

[@Blumoon09]

@@whenthemewhen2755 my dad would play legend of zelda botw

[@chickensofdeath490]

@@casiooooooo Sadly he doesnt play TF2 much anymore, his PC is REALLY bad and can barely run it but he's thinking about getting a new PC soon.

[@dukeofasg3280]

I feel like something such as a two-week experiment period where Valve turned off Random Crits and Random Bloom on their servers would really help people get a sense of how much impact Crits have on their games.

[@PassTheSnails]

And then polls after every match asking how the experience was

[@mman6564]

I feel like 1 week would be more sensible, but yeah, 100%

[@tylerlackey1175]

Too reasonable, buff uber charge instead

[@GLA55MA5TER]

probably wouldn't be a good idea since i imagine most players would spend that whole 2 weeks whining about their guilty pleasure being taken away. You would probably have to make the time without random crits even longer, or just remove them and not say if they'll come back or not since players would just avoid playing the game until the crits come back. The way you would rip the band-aid off at this point is to just make players deal with it, because that's the only way they'd probably start enjoying it.

[@dinonuggiesguy4847]

Whats random bloom?

[@nepu-chan7167]

"The TF Team listens to this community." Ah yes. All ONE of them.

[@TheGhostThatWas]

They did just nerf an entire subclass in mannpower just out of spite for Solarlight lol

[@Nova2127U]

@@TheGhostThatWas Not a lot of the fanbase for TF2 plays Mannpower anyway so it's not like it's a huge problem for everybody else.

[@five_bits9377]

Yeah valve only have 12 people on the tfteam 😭

[@imjasonyo1418]

@@five_bits9377 too generous i give it 1 or 2 tops

[@c_ornato]

@@five_bits9377 that's actually not true, there's only one guy in the TFteam

[@massimo8408]

Oh man, that video was 5 years ago, and hearing dane saying "And I am very confident that five years from now, there will be an entire generation of TF2 players who will cite competitive mode, as a reason why they started to play the game in the first place" gives me some sadness as we still don't have major updates

[@shenglongli8387]

random crits break stalemates Ubercharge : the day where I lost my identity

[@nikolasmtr]

especially the kritzkrieg lol

[@king-xz2ls]

@@nikolasmtr it never had one

[@sud1881]

@@king-xz2ls what

[@king-xz2ls]

@@sud1881 noone uses it lol

[@ragnareikrem3197]

@@king-xz2ls the kritzkrieg has a pretty powerful uber. Confirmed critical hits last i checked. Pretty cool. And people use it alot.

[@tin8205]

all his points are soooo valid and he a right but getting a lucky kill with the holy mackerel feels sooo good..... but he is still right bud

[@gguccigggg1032]

PAN

[@megoob456]

Funny noise go bonk

[@DeerPrinceJane]

That was the first point....

[@atm2959]

Random crits should stay with melee Since only one person that gets critted rather than a crocket killing 4 people

[@DankDimensionMemes]

@@atm2959 no. Random crits must go.

[@breadsticks161]

I love how Dane got chili to actually voice the scout for this video

[@nikolasmtr]

yeah

[@king-xz2ls]

@@nikolasmtr yeah

[@bizanagi5378]

@@king-xz2ls yeah

[@king-xz2ls]

@@bizanagi5378 yeah

[@0amburgh063]

yeah

[@alex.g7317]

That’s really good scout text-to-speech! It’s almost like you got the real voice actor to voice the scout picture!

[@isthatawormwildbowreferenc4562]

Literally insane! I never knew AI was this advanced already for text-to-speech. Sounds exactly like ChiliofDestiny!

[@dimsthedimwit600]

Dude's so good at sentence mixing I thought he asked the real guy to do it

[@Star-nl5id]

Maybe this is a joke that im missing, but he did get the actual voice actor lol. He credits him in the description.

[@pannnella]

@@Star-nl5id there was no joke. we actually didn’t know this, thank you!

[@SalesmanWave]

​@@Star-nl5id Bravo Vince!

[@gLiTcHminusone]

Why i enjoy random crits: - feels cool - getting random crit can be funny at times - helps finish contracts - helps me kill my friends Why i don't enjoy random crits: - bullshit

[@Dr_Minty]

Somes up random crits perfectly

[@dragonslayr6493]

Diego of course a gibus pfp gets it wrong. *sums

[@esans5407]

@@dragonslayr6493 of course a dead meme pfp gets it wrong, it would be a comma instead of a period, it would be "Diego, of course a gibis pfp gets it wrong, sums*"

[@dragonslayr6493]

E SANS, of course a dummy tried to correct me and gets it wrong in his explanation of why I am wrong. “@Dragonslayr,”

[@esans5407]

@@dragonslayr6493 i was mainly joking with you, lol

[@averagewallgaming8425]

If you watch normally, it's a brilliant video that presents fair and reasonable arguments as to why random crits do not belong in TF2. If you watch it without sound, it's basically 25 minutes of Uncle Dane getting and dying to random crits

[@petkofuchalski9809]

well, that's the point of the video. to show why random crits must not be part of the game, or atleast his opinion on the subject.

[@georginho36]

Average wall Gaming genius

[@Manardo18]

Yeah random crits need to go.

[@ilmaresciallobadoglio7107]

Uncle Dane is very good at DYING.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

And occasional pictures of scout

[@grimreefer9324]

The argument that giving new players random crits makes them want to play more feels odd to me, considering I didn’t even know random crits were a thing when I was new to the game. All I knew was a big man with a pan just came around the corner and one-shot me, I didn’t know the hows or whys of it.

[@flamingcat1101]

I think it should be that if you haven't dealt a certain amount of damage or gotten 1 kill in a time span then you're first shot to hit an enemy. Depending on the class. Will be guaranteed to do more damage. So instead of being random. It's a way to balance the game by letting medics do more damage with syringe gun in their first magazine

[@nathankassai9766]

Firestorm 1101 I feel like that could be an abused system. One team could just huddle in a corner, not shoot at all, and build up that chance to get critz, only to absolutely waste the enemy team with a cluster fuck of random crit bullets and bombs.

[@ju7904]

That reminds of one of my first games on lakeside. There was some guy named, ‘pan’, who went like 50:2. I didn’t understand, all I thought was, “Loud noise man kill me.”

[@significantpepper5274]

@@flamingcat1101 I think what they should do is remove random crits and better the coaching system. This way, new players will become good instead of waiting for their rocket to crit.

[@flamingcat1101]

@@significantpepper5274 I mean random crit is given to players who are doing well tho. And I don't know what the coaching system has to do with it. I never even got to get help when I started

[@natecase-loll5516]

Very informative, I wish more people debated things this way instead of immediately being upset that someone disagrees

[@mayoplayingwumbologistmd4389]

In academic circles it can be more common, but for ages people don't like to have comprehensive and thoughtful conversations about topics they disagree on, a shame really.

[@lipnoodle117]

"I'm very confident that in 5 years from now, there will be an entire generation of TF2 players that will cite competitive mode as a reason why they started playing the game in the first place" There's nothing I can type that adequately explains how hard I laughed at this line.

[@ВалерийКришталь-д3п]

Actually the reason i came back to play TF2 is casual mode at its modern state (i played from 2011 to 2012(13) maybe and came back last year). Because its's C A S U A L where i can relax and not care about those mmr points. I stopped playing other games with comp mode because how stressful it is. Jerking to those miserably numbers or winrate (like what other point to play something competitively). Competitive mode is a reason not to get new players for long. It's quiet diffucult to get good at a game with somewhat moderate to high average skill per player.

[@OGSumo]

@@ВалерийКришталь-д3п If anything, that means people would be put off because of casual. In casual, you can get fucking stomped on by players with >1k hours in every single pub lobby (happens a lot, but not every time, still random). As a new player, that just isnt fun. At least if I’m new and I play a few ranked games, I’m playing with other babies. You won’t be totally shit on and unable to even learn the game in that case.

[@ВалерийКришталь-д3п]

@@OGSumo Well yeah. Commonly competitive mode create 3 separate zones: 1) noobs 2) sorta decent + very good gamers 3) fucking hell where both previous zones combined. So it kinda the same but people now sweating for those miserable mmr points or elo ratings + there would be far less friendlies, troldiers, demopans and all other good fun stuff that others games just dont have and will never have so plain those communities are

[@ВалерийКришталь-д3п]

@@OGSumo and smurfs of course. so basicly its kinda the same but actually even worse

[@ImmaBitKiller]

I 100% downloaded tf2 because of competitive.

[@fe6796]

Lets wait for the day of the edit of the description that says "This video is now outdated"

[@mundodo6054]

No

[@DankDimensionMemes]

@Dam Sen you mean 13 years

[@ashtongiertz8728]

Because Valve changed their minds about bridging the gap between casual and competitive and removed the matchmaking system in favor of bringing back quickplay.

[@l0gan359]

But have you ever tried market gardening with the quick fix and ubersaw?

[@mscup8814]

The Market Danke

[@YuriYoshiosan]

Ever but.... Ends up dying

[@falsemimicry]

Medic gardening

[@jackmoseley4959]

It’s raining men, hallelujah.

[@JustinWHY-zz7gz]

No

[@theefonzoman]

Dane: gives several valid arguments on why random crits are not good Scout: you don't like freedom you don't like fun

[@jag-stang29]

omg fredy fonzoman im ur biggest fan

[@theefonzoman]

@@jag-stang29 it's efonzo man

[@jag-stang29]

@@theefonzoman freddy fazbwear

[@byrguy1295]

lol ya the engi with frontier justice crying about random crits, funny shet.. Don't kill me plz I'm busy critting fools over here!

[@bubbykins4864]

Portrait of R.E.D. Scout isn't ad hominem attacking correctly. You're supposed to base the fallacy off of what the _target_ has done, not off of what _oneself_ has done!

[@crawket5711]

dane looks like a middle aged dad who has cook outs on weekends but can't cook also good video

[@PoisonGames]

pyro. Not his real face but ok

[@PoisonGames]

That was idubbbz not dane

[@zosuke6917]

The last clip

[@davidtobis3614]

LOL

[@slimeprivilege]

geeze dude watch the whole video before commenting

[@Toofty]

Live footage of me at 10:07

[@derpforger1305]

basicly

[@Pawlakov1]

toftee is a verly good granad man

[@averygoodnamehere1685]

demoman main incoming

[@Kindrick]

That's pretty much 60-70% of what I do on CP_Orange.

[@bassbusterx]

How to detonate nitroglicerine bombs as bomber

[@StickMaster500]

This video is fair and balanced

[@maude7420]

Please stop

[@HoshiNoKaabii]

Pootis.

[@arielmz4956]

StickMaster500 Stop, you're scarying the children

[@cool_sword]

Caleb Begly the other side is so dumb that it would be unfair to take it seriously.

[@aplsyder]

I. See. You. EVERYWHERE. You are annoying as fuck.

[@interrobang5785]

Honestly, the thing that convinced me fully that random crits were a clearly bad thing was playing on Uncletopia severs. I don’t know if this was your intention, but the lack of crits i actually noticeably nice after playing on them, and going back to casual for a while made me start to really hate them.

[@Hugo-yz1vb]

Uncle Dane is an ambassador of true fairness, sadly he's overshadowed by The Ambassador

[@TheRealGemKeeper]

Hopefully Valve nerfs the Ambassador again.

[@alt1763]

@@TheRealGemKeeper why? it works fine now

[@bennyrichardson1775]

sadly Valve nerfs are overshadowed by the Ambassador

[@lul8899]

The "Crit When Headshot" is a great mechanic tho.

[@axis1677]

​@@lul8899 Sadly, its overshadowed by The Ambassador.

[@mirrorianofficial7697]

“And the robots dont feel frustrated or upset when you hit them with a crocket” Ya because they’re *d e d*

[@mirrorianofficial7697]

“gets cock”

[@jericb]

yeah I get cock too

[@potatorat2508]

Natcho I hate it when the giant robot enemy soldier gets a cock

[@scooble_]

Natcho funi cock word haha

[@_knighted]

Whoa you got idubbbz and the actual voice of scout to help out? Nice

[@ccaagg]

Pretty sure edups is his friend.

[@aw7245]

ccaagg Uncle Dane made the keemstar song from content cop.

[@ccaagg]

+A W Yep, I'm aware.

[@boberttheguy9372]

I think the voice actor for scout actually made a video in defense of random crits and he's using quotes from that, but I'm too lazy to fact check

[@johnathandoe6892]

Which video was that?

[@adampeirce5764]

22:48 “the tfteam listens to this community“ this whole video has aged in a sad/funny way.

[@thechugg4372]

"The tf teams listen to the community" Uncle Dane in denial for 10 long years.

[@Manimal_Official]

I agree with this statement to an extent, but I also remember in like 2012-2014 where Star_ would complain about really specific shit, and like one or two patches later that thing would be fixed/ removed

[@bobbyferg9173]

@@Manimal_Official That sounds like a myth nowadays.

[@thebowler5506]

WHAT YEAR IS IT?

[@mertoj1536]

Me : heck yeah a random crit I love them!! Me dies to a random crit : *breaks keyboard*

[@huh-wuh]

Johnny Gargano No, because it'll still shit on the value of skill in this game. It's still a way of getting extra damage for a shitty reason that makes the entire fight pointless.

[@tammushican4823]

* heck *

[@its_cookie_man]

Keyboard: My time has come...

[@karinaflores2044]

Killing someone with a random crit:yes Getting killed with a random crit: what a fucking ni-

[@cbhv4321]

@@huh-wuh it's called a joke

[@sinningmantis]

14:57 just noticed the demo is sticky spamming with the sticky jumper

[@gentleseal1778]

Dyo hahahahaha lol

[@boomeronet7888]

It will work eventually

[@onyxlore5277]

Psychological warfare

[@slinky1277]

👽

[@minimalgrammar1276]

AHAHAHAHHAH They should make it so it deals knockback to enemies.

[@ukstationaudits8679]

"Random Crits break stalemates!" Medic with full uber: Bruh

[@joebobsonofbillyjoebob9618]

Im pretty sure that when halloween isn’t around merasmus just randomly decides to crit boost someone and ruin the victim’s day

[@goose1357]

Not gonna lie I would watch 20 min. of ragdoll theater

[@feralhawg867]

Yeah me too it needs to become like it's own series or something honestly lol

[@darkgachamaker573]

Me as well

[@frut_jooos]

Soundsmith makes those

[@BUMBUM292]

Petition to make Uncle Dane continue ragdoll theater

[@chinois11]

damn, i'm the 404th upvote on this comment, now Uncle Dane will never find this :(

[@beeninja2539]

GWL292 yeas

[@kannatheweeb8836]

xD

[@peppermint4717]

Most Certainly.,.... TOAST!

[@rocketlaunchergunboatsdude1713]

GWL292 Signed.

[@zacharylunsford2]

Chapters: 0:00 Intro 2:42 Chapter #1 4:30 Chapter #2 6:41 Chapter #3 8:06 Chapter #4 15:30 Chapter #5 16:33 Chapter #6 18:41 Chapter #7 20:24 Chapter #8 20:59 Chapter #9 21:25 Chapter #10 22:08 Outro

[@whuttr4865]

The only weapons that NEEDS random crits is the Holiday Punch

[@owenlarsen2346]

yes

[@N3XT_UP_3LI]

weapon*

[@N3XT_UP_3LI]

:)

[@tabbitabbithatabster]

Eli Snider theres 2 gloves and each mouse button counts at one hand, therefore you got 2 weapons, hence, the only WEAPONS

[@evee_evvillamar4477]

F I S H

[@lsdcyclops7316]

*THIS HELPS CREATE THOSE RARE HIGH MOMENTS*

[@ExoticChad]

*rare*

[@agustinmendoza7968]

*laughs in melee*

[@ExoticChad]

@@agustinmendoza7968 lmao

[@Sky_Explorer]

More like panic attacks.

[@thetiktaalik775]

Where dmt floods your brain and you start to break down.

[@Jessie_Helms]

Fun fact: Because the Dalohkohs Bar gives you 350 HP, you can survive a random crit from a pipe. It’s the only way possible to, straight out of spawn (no Uber charge time, no collecting heads, for example) to survive that I know of.

[@enzoaugusto1577]

Fists of steel too

[@Jessie_Helms]

@@enzoaugusto1577 I don’t think so, because FOS give you melee vulnerability

[@btcbuster5556]

@@Jessie_Helms you said a pipe

[@Jessie_Helms]

@@btcbuster5556 no idea what I was on when I said that reply XD

[@twin_towers_destroyer]

@@Jessie_Helms crack cocaine?

[@matthewred]

22:50 Ooooh that aged horribly

[@Hewerine]

bruhuuhhhh

[@busdriver2574]

My biggest issue I have with random crits comes from the fact that I constantly play medic, which is to say, I only see the downsides of random crits. There is no random crit system for the medi-gun. This makes sense because either way (causing the person to randomly get health rapidly or randomly rapid charging Uber) it would be pretty over powered. The trouble is that with how little I actually use a weapon when compared to other classes I almost never benefit from this system and due to the low health of medics, I almost always die in one shot to them. I cannot list the amount of times that I have been *this* close to killing a soldier with my Ubersaw and then he gets a random crit on his shovel and instantly kills me. It is demoralizing to say the least. It was actually the reason I took a long break from Medic, I couldnt take that level of disappointment. I can recall a specific moment when I said 'To hell with Medic, Ill play Heavy': There was a sniper who was dead focused on looking down his sight so I came up behind him, hit him once with the Ubersaw, and then he instantly unscoped, turned around, and body-shot me once with his rifle. He had ten health points left. Point is, if a system in a class-based shooter can cause people to want to abandon a certain class, it needs serious revision.

[@craigkuhlman6869]

Well, I mean the Ubersaw is known for getting crits often, but that's probably a combination of Melee having higher crit rates in general as well as (I think) uber-gain and healing-done being a factor to a Medic's crit chance.

[@secretgarbage6581]

Dont know what you're trying to say with the sniper part because the sniper rifle cant randomly crit

[@miloswanson6873]

F word fifty times

[@josephg1125]

If you went for the ubersaw crit you have no room to complain about the soldier getting a shovel crit lol

[@PapiRigatoni]

I love how the Pokémon bit works on multiple layers. Least of which is the fact Random Crits are also a long debated and questioned mechanic in the Pokémon games, either saving your ass when you didn’t deserve it or ruining your entire game plan when your lead Pokémon gets one shot by someone in the elite four.

[@da703]

I wasn’t aware those games even crits

[@manologamerss5801]

@@da703 What? They're an RPG of course they have crits, it's a unique feature if an RPG doesn't have them.

[@da703]

Nah I know, but Pokémon specifically I has no idea

[@PapiRigatoni]

@@manologamerss5801 competitive Pokémon has no room for crits

[@alejandropetit6573]

@@PapiRigatoni The only argument for them in competitive pokemon is that they help stop cismic power and defense boosting sweepers overall

[@islandcreepergameztf2andot771]

In my opinion. Let's just get rid of all the weapons and call it hat fortress. If your hat has a higher value on Trade.tf of backpack.tf the opposite opponent dies on contact.

[@legendaryfish6259]

Sounds like a plan

[@utthamprakash4976]

IslandCreeperGamez TF2 And Other. Shhhh don't give valve ideas

[@miqeriunofficial2946]

Yes

[@lukekyle8559]

Valve "ez money"

[@islandcreepergameztf2andot771]

Luke Kyle imagine the costs for unusual hats lmao

[@channelnamehere8924]

"The TF2 team listens to their community" .... That one didn't age quite so well

[@michaelbesser5348]

I also wanted to add a different point that I don't see people talk about much: random crits punish some classes compared to others for unfair reasons. And no, I don't mean how good the player is or how much damage they're doing, I mean how much a player can take advantage of the crit and how much the player loses when they die to a random crit versus how much they gain from dealing out a crit. Medics, Engineers, Snipers, and Spies really don't like random crits. A good 95% of the time, a Medic will be healing with the Medigun, so they'll die to them way more often than they'll ever kill with them, but not only that. Let's compare what happens when a Medic dies to a random crit to what happens when they kill with a random crit. When a Medic dies to a random crit, they lose their entire Ubercharge. That's a BIG deal. What do they get in exchange? Either 0% with most weapons or 25% with the Ubersaw. That's not a good exchange. Engineer is similarly in a bad state from crits. If they kill you with a crit, they kill you and, if they're using the Widowmaker, they might get a little bit of metal. If they die, that opens up the possibility of an enemy push taking out your buildings. The Engineer loses a lot more resources than he gains because death is so punishing for Medic and Engineer. Sniper and Spy lose out for a different reason: lack of opportunity to use random crits. The Sniper Rifle and the Knife, the main weapons for the Sniper and the Spy respectively, are incapable of ever getting a random crit. Their more rarely used weapons (either SMG or melee for Sniper and the revolver of your choice besides the Ambassador or the Diamondback, which can't random crit) are just that: rarely used. Think of what happens when a Spy uses the Ambassador or Diamondback: regardless of how much damage they did, they will NEVER get a random crit, meaning that random crits only screw them over by existing.

[@mr.cleansofficialyoutubech2761]

HiddenPower Yes

[@DeisFortuna]

Sniper melee? Rarely used? Tell that to the fucking Uromancers, Master of Jarate. It doesn't matter where you are, these guys will somehow land a piss jar on you and then Melee you with the bushwacka. (Or the stock if you're me. I have a strange kukri. Named "Australian Butter Knife". Jarate is more defensive this way, but still. PISS. CRITS.)

[@uncertaintytoworldpeace3650]

All good spy primaries have random crits

[@ashtongiertz8728]

I see no problem with the 2 classes with the ability to oneshot any class in the game not being able to use random crits. Also, Medic and engineer lose more from dying than other classes regardless of random crits.

[@DeisFortuna]

@@ashtongiertz8728 engineer can simultaneously lose the most and the least from dying. In a coordinated team if the engineer dies to something, and other members of their team are able to defend the sentry nest for the engineer until the engie can respawn and get back to the nest, then the engineer loses next to nothing from dying. I will agree with you that medic is the most fucked by dying, even with the ability to pick up mediguns from dead medics, perhaps especially because of the ability to pick up the weapons of your fallen foes. Say you die with most of your Uber charged, and the enemy medic gets Uber and their team successfully pushes your team back during their Uber either while you're dead or getting back to the front (likely because the teleporter exit was destroyed in the push), then provided they push further than your medigun before the Uber ends, then the enemy medic can just grab your medigun off the ground (if it hasn't despawned yet) and then use YOUR hard earned ubercharge for an extended Uber push. Oh, and in casual, engineer also loses less from dying because of the ever Memetic "why the fuck is there an entire team of engies defending" or the ultimate 2fort classic "why the fuck is the entire enemy team set up as a sentry nest in our Intel room?"

[@mediumsizedmammal]

When I tried playing tf2 for the first time everyone I played with always had really nice australiums and other cool things like killstreaks and I didnt realise these were only cosmetic at the time. I didnt know about random crits and how they worked but I thought people had weapons that did 3x damage because they paid for it and not that I was getting hit by random crits. I even tried looking at clips of tf2 and because good snipers sometimes do not look like they are clicking on the head I thought that their australium rifle just did 3x the damage which made me not play the game for a bit more then a year until one of my friends showed my how wrong I was. Random crits do sometimes help new players who somewhat know the ropes and that what just happened was RNG but in my case I almost quit because I though that tf2 was p2w.

[@agzzradface3113]

mate. just google it!

[@billwinskingwijaya177]

wow just wow...

[@theflyinglemon9195]

Thats sad but understandable

[@sammy6805]

Not to be that guy but.. you're just an idiot... Like really..

[@billwinskingwijaya177]

@@sammy6805 we cant blame them tf2 little bit complex

[@Zipped44]

I was rewatching this and thought "can we get a sequel to Ragdoll Theater?"

[@sud1881]

Yes

[@king-xz2ls]

Ok so this demo-

[@filizcivan2485]

0:16 look at the pure shock on the soldiers face he is saying "WAIT WHAT I DID THAT?!"

[@hlibushok]

The "break stalemates" argument is even worse, and actually goes against random crits. On attack/defend game modes "stalemate" is really just defenders' victory. So if the stalemate is broken by a random crit, it will most likely go in favor of the attacking team, giving unfair disadvantage to the defense.

[@pepekovallin]

True, but considering how CRIT chance works this system actually makes stalemates even more stale, since CRIT chance goes up the more damage you do, that means that if a defending team keep a consistent damage against the attackers they have a higher chance to random CRIT people, which means that it's even less likely that the attack team will find a way to win. Because of that even if they somehow manage to make a good strategy to turn the tides in their favor they can easily be shot down by a random CRIT

[@Number39SJS]

Tbf, the argument can go both ways. It breaks the stalemate of just defending and winning, so in a sense, they’re right. Just not in the way they want it

[@ME0WMERE]

@@pepekovallin why are you capitalising 'crit'?

[@pepekovallin]

@@ME0WMERE my autocorrect does that

[@fumothfan9]

5CP and CTF though

[@AEther0238]

The game devs of Hearthstone argue that rng is good, because it forces you to think on your feet and switch out your tactics. It stops the game from getting stale and repetitive. Where Rogue always beats Warrior, Warrior always beats Mage, etc. That sorta thing is fine and dandy for a strategy game like HS. It's shitty for an fps like TF2. Especially because random crits in TF2 don't cause you to go from "I should do this" to "Nevermind, I should do this". Instead they cause you to go from "I should do this" to "Oh, look, now I'm dead."

[@connorthompson66]

They had us in the first half not gonna lie.

[@Invisifly2]

Playing Yogg Saron after getting spanked the whole game and having it pyroclasm the other guy twice. *S T R A T E G I C*

[@marthedge]

That's just the TF2 way of getting Exodia'd

[@noelleholiday61]

To quote work-avoiding combination of red and blue, " 'Wow, I'm so good at this game and now I'm dead' but what about when your not good 'Wow, I'm dead'"

[@OSDisco]

@@noelleholiday61 I had to stare at the first bit of your comment for a full 20 seconds to understand it. Commas are useful man

[@Moth-man]

Man, remember when random crits were the biggest problem most people had with the game? man we had our priorities mixed up

[@Solaric_]

Why do I hear boss music- *mvm music starts playing*

[@TheRodoeht]

"Send Valve an email" about random crits he said. It will make a difference he said ...

[@thewindwakinghero7423]

It's back to being a major problem

[@H.O.Scalemodeler4501]

@@thewindwakinghero7423 Especially since bots haven’t been a problem since the last two updates.