Soap Making 101 - Mean people suck!

Soap Making 101 - Mean people suck!
Today's video is a little long but I feel like I couldn't cut any more out. I really wanted to give some encouragement to those who are just getting started or just keep running into that same stuck up Karen! And to the "Karens"?... FU!
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Soap Making 101 - Mean people suck!

[@mindlifeheart2906]

You're my favorite uncle now. Thank you for this Life Advice. ❤

[@earlenematthews8920]

I totally understand. I had worked am finally got a recipe that I loved. Had a friend who also made soap and they wanted my recipe. I gave it to them. After a long time I moved and stop making soap for awhile. When I went back to marking soap I could not find my recipe. So I remember giving it to this person and asked if they could send me a copy of it. They told me know! And to work at making one like it. I was shocked I gave them the recipe and they are still using it and selling the soap. . Mean is not the only word I could use for some people.

[@annreinbeau]

You are on target 🎯 Some of the officious 'experts' are really just experienced groupies who have read and memorized but not actually had years of experience. Then there's the ones who are obnoxiously proprietary.... But that's a while 'nother rant 😉 Oh, and for the record, yes you can make shave soap via cold process 🤣

[@denizreigngaming4138]

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks..

[@tiffanybaskerville3846]

Well said Uncle Jon

[@waynegross2113]

I've found most people who jump down other people's throats are WRONG! These people in general aren't very knowledgeable. They just like to be heard. I don't do forums or groups, in general they suck! I do my own formulating. I have many friends on KZbin, if I were ever to need help (doubtful) I can ask them. I live your channel, because your funny and honest, lol! Jill Gross

[@johnrobinson4259]

In a soap making subreddit people were so defensive and rude about soap and the way they felt was the best way to make it. For many people its for personal use and a hobby, so to each their own!! Great video Uncle Jon! 'Dont be a Jerk!' should be a life motto for some people!

[@TanglewoodSoapCompany]

I try to stay away from those places! LOL!

[@torchape]

Great video! I will never be embarrassed or intimidated by others for my ignorance. Ignorance is not knowing ... not stupidity. I learn from everybody. After 42 years blowing glass, I can still learn from an apprentice. He/she may have stumbled on a technique I haven't seen or tried myself. Any skilled endeavor will have the same dynamic. I make soap for my own use and for gifts. I was running out so I made a batch about 7 weeks ago. It didn't act like I thought it should two days after cutting ... it was a bit crumbly. So instead of assuming it was bad, I let it cure and now it's one of the most effective batches I've ever made. I will definitely use the same recipe again, but next time I will use a mixer and pay more attention to the water discounting. Thanks, Jon!!

[@GS-uc6dy]

Hilarious and so true!!! Tell them what’s up Uncle John. There’s too many mean and cranky people out there that feel so miserable about themselves that it only makes them feel better to push other people down. Imagine if everyone was nice to everyone …this world would be a better place.

[@DavidBeyes]

Finally a soap maker with a good personality. I like the way you present yourself and the way you make soap. You're a good teacher.

[@jasonstouder]

When people jump at newbs like that, i always read it as a sense of powerlessness in life (think- the teacher in Pink Floyds The Wall). It's common in fishing forums, too.

[@susannminall7456]

Love your straightforward approach to addressing mean people. Listen to what your mama taught you, "If you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all."

[@joanneminasi4198]

I had a similar experience when I tried to answer a newbie’s question about castor oil. I was the lone voice saying you actually CAN use more than 5% in your cp soap. I even went so far as to explain how to mitigate the stickiness. My formula uses 15% and works well every time. It took me a few years to get it just right with that high of a percentage and I was willing to share my experience. I got blasted by a couple know-it-alls for days. That was the first social media group I left. I have since left them all because, quite honestly, I don’t have time for people like that. I just feel bad for the newbies left behind with them. Thanks for another great video!

[@vixenligon1167]

OMG I has seen so many know-it-alls who liked the blast people for their castor oil percentage rate. It is completely nuts. It isnt their soap, I don't understand why they are so opinionated about it.

[@sherylcascadden4988]

When I use it, I use 10-12%. I think there's a saying " you do you."

[@CabbagePatchSoap]

The first question I ever asked in a soap making group was answered, but the person answering me made sure to add in an argumentative/aggressive/unnecessary comment. I just told them thank you and never posted again, no time for that drama in my life. It makes me sad though because there's so much we can learn from each other, but I wonder how many other people gave up because they felt attacked by the group they look up to.

[@maryroseshearer9715]

Love your down to earth videos Uncle Jon! IJS (“it’s just soap”, and shaving cream LOL!) -Momo☺️Meh!

[@zdavis06]

I’m glad I came across your videos!

[@MJ-cc4uf]

I find that some soapers have an inflated sense of self importance.

[@shannonoakley-moore2292]

You are so right, Uncle Jon!! Again!! :)

[@dwade1367]

People that make hurtful comments have problems of insecurity. Love homemade soap. I make my own, and the more rustic the better. They jealous, that's all. Love your podcasts ❤️

[@Chrisjuchniewicz]

Jon, you are one of the main inspirations for me getting into this craft. I know have a business based around soaps, lotions, and creams. Thank you for your honesty, rationality, and the information you spread.

[@sudsnsatin]

EXACTLY! It drives me crazy when I see this type of behavior in groups. Im like this poor person just asked a question or for help and now everyone wants to jump down their throat or just talk about how they do things assuming it can't possibly be done any other way, and sometimes they DON'T even answer the actual question. That's not helpful. Just shut up if you're not going to actually answer the question. We don't need to know all about how educated you think you are because you've been making soap for however long. There's usually more ways than one to skin a cat anyhow. Sheesh.

[@loladennler571]

OMG! You just elevated my adoration of you to the moon!

[@pattiemoseley8752]

That was absolutely spot on. Thank you for the laugh 😆

[@Cpnpd922]

Always good times with Uncle Jon. I fell out laughing at the thumbnail. Thank You Sir.

[@cynthialoera3094]

Thnx!!! Well said!!

[@TheLeathersmithShop]

See the same thing in my leather crafting groups, like every day. Lots of older crafters stuck in their ways, lots of new crafters who probably shouldn't be giving advice on most of the topics, and then the trolls. You see a lot of potentially awesome ideas just get abandoned because these mean or condescending people just crap all over peoples' ideas.

[@trtarts4814]

Ive been making soap for 6 years but could never bring myself to do videos. partly for this reason.

[@christineboschen2532]

Good clean advice. Thank you for your generous big heart!

[@TheSoapChef]

I consistently gravitate towards like minded people who are honest, real and state their mind with no apologies. I’ve read, seen and watched more and more nastiness in abundance on the internet, particularly in the soaping community. Thank you for doing this video, it needed to be said.

[@1673erica]

I saw her question.. I do make all organic soap with Additives in question I also add a Preservative To support those additives.. I also make tallow soap That my grandmother taught me how to make when I was a child.. and I make it like you're describing in your shave soap.. Like you I do not Use "the soap guide book"... I do things Willie Neely and see what works.. Because if you don't.. how are we gonna learn.. I was making really pretty soap and that was sitting on my shelf when I started making simple soaps those were selling like crazy with the same fragrances Or essential oils.. For the longest time I thought that my that my bars didn't didn't smell good.. I had a customer tell me about 2 weeks ago that my new bars are more appealing than the older ones... I have been making cold process soap is soap for 6 years.. Love your channel keep up the honest work..

[@sacrednorthsoapco.1084]

Well said!

[@celesteelijah2515]

👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽Thanks Jon!!

[@Jan-23]

Thank you for this !🥰 From now on when I encounter Toxic Mehs.... I am going to copy and paste this video to them and say, "Uncle Jon says take a step back!'

[@EricWaterTruck]

I’m probably never going to make a soap but KZbin brought me to your channel because I’ll watch anything. There was a cricket chirping moment in an old video of yours with a nugget of knowledge about pure coconut oil soap is the only one to lather in sea water. I found that interesting and I’ll pass it on to some sailing and seafaring channels I watch. In my head that could be really useful information for them. Have a nice day

[@jamiebroadhurst5277]

Thanks!! Well said. Perfect timing for me as I just experienced a nasty comment yesterday. People.

[@katjasiltanen4705]

Hi Jon, I have a solution to the jar problem. Here in Finland, a deposit is paid for the bottles, which is returned when you return the bottle. Pay a regular deposit to your customers for the jars so they return the used jars and you don’t have to order them in stock.

[@unclejonssoap]

The only issue with that is cleaning and sterilizing over I have them back. Ion many cases o can't even resell certain containers. I am can, however refill bottles for customers with no issues and give them a nice discount.

[@americanmade1701]

Your right.. its your soap, do what you want, in the end guess what???..ITS STILL SOAP!!!

[@libertymicrofarm6032]

I had a similar experience in a soaping fb group. I’m brand new to soaping and had posted about making a pine tar soap (as my first soap) I was fully aware of it being a difficult soap. But I like to challenge myself. The first person to comment tried to make me feel like a new soaper was incapable of making something so difficult and had no business even trying. Thankfully I’m not a person that gets crushed by comments like that. I did respond and called them on it. Respectfully of course 🙄 And then went about the task of actually making the soap. It wasn’t pretty. But i did it and it was soap. And I learned some things. I also made a post in that same group with pictures of the soap, my recipe, my process, and what I learned from it all. That person never commented. But I did get plenty of encouragement, critique, and constructive criticism from other members.

[@kberken]

Yikes, Uncle Jon, that opening really woke me up! But I agree, ugh, why are people mean? Well, it's not about you, but it's hard not to feel that it really is. People who act mean are hurting and acting out. They cross boundaries and especially feel free on social media where they can hide behind anonymity. I appreciate your attitude and understanding. Thanks for being a grown-up!

[@unclejonssoap]

Lol.. sorry. It was a bit dramatic🤣

[@justme2059]

Yes! Thank you 😊 I had this happen 5 years ago when I was in my “research” phase. I’m very thick skinned so I let it bounce off, hopefully this individual just realized “Susan’s” had issues with wedges that day and went ahead.

[@pacificsoapworksclosed.clo2593]

This is great advise.. I remember when I first started soaping I had some questions I ran into some mean people.. and actually YOU John helped me the most! You answered my questions and were so very kind.. these “Susan’s”;are in every type of group. I am Vegan and when I first transitioned from meat and dairy to all plant based, I joined a few FB groups to learn because this way of eating was completely new to me.. I learned a lot.. one day I had made the best vegan sandwich it looked picture perfect, it tasted amazing.. I posted a pic of it on this one Vegan FB page and OMG! The vipers were let loose on me. I was told my sandwich looked like vomit, the most disgusting thing they ever saw.. why? Because I used bread that I didn’t make myself and I used a vegan cheese that I didn’t make myself.. WTH!! It was all vegan but these “Susan’s” came straight from hell.. I thought I was doing vegan wrong… I wasn’t, they were just assholes… I left all the vegan pages and figured it out myself.. now if I didn’t have skin as tough as armor, I may have crawled in a hole and cried my eyes out and gave up on being vegan, I didn’t.. I said screw you bitches and moved on.. I like to think that Karma will work things out with those “keyboard bullies” They are out there in every platform.. I say if you don’t have thick skin, don’t ask questions and never post unless your ready for the asshole hammer to drop on you. Anyway, thanks for this video, I know it will help viewers.. Also thank you for your help when I started soaping, like I said above, you were so kind to me and helped with my questions,,, thank you! AND thanks for changing the Karen to Susan.. it’s much better fitting..,

[@daveoflogheadaxemods5387]

Thanks for the straight ups, Jon.

[@rhs2881]

You're solid, kind and dependable Uncle Jon! The kind of person people can trust with their lives.❤👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@NelsonInteriorSoapery]

Love your videos. To funny. I started my you tube a few months back as I was sick of the Tracey’s (I call them that as that’s one step on a Karen) a little kindness goes a long way. Big hi to you from Melbourne Australia

[@unclejonssoap]

Drop a link to your channel!

[@NelsonInteriorSoapery]

@@unclejonssoap awe thank you . kzbin.info thank you 🙏

[@thdoggo1]

I know exactly what you are talking about. I saw a lady tell a beginner who was experimenting the other day she would sue her if she sold her flowers in soap because she has an allergy to mold and they mold. Not enough to just tell her they mold, she took it so personally. I am also allergic to mold and laughed. While that would’ve been fine for her to let her know, her and the entire comments section then took it upon themselves to bully her out of the group. It is people like that who make hobbies so toxic and it’s actually why I don’t even offer my help to most people anymore, if I do, I do so privately so they don’t feel judged by THOSE kinds of people asking questions. Of course I don’t know everything about everything, but I can answer a lot of beginner type questions. There’s so many of them who want to say something nasty so bad it’s like a compulsion and they need one person to make it seem okay and to validate them all continuing to do it. I so appreciate the many KZbin makers who I’ve learned many skills from, like yourself, who don’t bring that kind of energy into the room. I think what it’s really about is they are afraid of the competition because they have no real faith in their skills, what they sell or anything that sets them apart in the market, so they have to tear others who might down before they even start. There are some really nasty, nasty people who hide under the guise of proper procedures and education.

[@debbiesaulnier3101]

Well said!!

[@cedarwings60]

Thanks for this Uncle Jon! I ended up leaving every FB soaping group because of assholes. I'm much happier now LOL

[@tangwanjosrphbanyong6465]

Thanks for this wonderful expirience what i have gathered from watching soaping videos is that there is something to benefit from each video.thanks

[@naturalifesoap]

You are so right! Thanks so much for saying this out loud. Lead with kindness.💕

[@millone3393]

At last..."Don't be an asshole." Couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for the insight and inspiring words.

[@TheElementSoap]

Excellent advice & thank you for sharing your experience!

[@SylviaHonigmann-bn9qc]

Your so Right!!! I am with you so much!!!!❤❤❤

[@SpearsM2]

Absolutely like your approach to things in life! Best of everything your way!

[@brandybradford1519]

I have a couple of soap groups I am in and there is a couple of "those" types I want to tell so bad, but I just Bless Their Hearts, if you know what I mean 😁

[@susiebilk9905]

Thank you for letting up on the Karen!

[@unclejonssoap]

🤣 I feel the same way about toilets being called "the John"

[@Southphxgal2023]

Right On! Thank you for that.

[@SkyWatchTimeLapse]

I just found your channel today and just made my first soap this last week. I love your attitude, humor and style. I have learned so much watching several of your videos today...

[@lindachandler2293]

Thank you.

[@sailor3397]

That "MEH" button came along when they were still called emoticons which predate emojis.

[@danamummert1044]

Just spit my coffee all over !!! I love your videos! So informative and down to earth. Not to mention fun.

[@UnaSCACraftyWoman]

I love your videos. You are an inspiration to me both in how you address issues and your information on communication. You help me to remember to calm down and think clearly in all things. Thank you.

[@elizabethwagner4568]

I love the way you express yourself!! Straight and to the point. Truth. I just took a soapmaking class a couple of days ago. Still a little leary about the lye,on how to do the formulation,you know,lye times ounces and such. But doing my research. Thanks for being you!!

[@k3lzzm.502]

Absolutely 💯

[@jhonartcis8296]

@5:40 mark, was that what i think it is? or was it just smoke? or maybe I'm just seeing thisngs

[@JandWSoaps]

I feel like I remember seeing you say something positive in the comments on a post in FB. Thanks for being kind.

[@unclejonssoap]

I do try

[@-GamerPaigey]

Hi uncle John, is there anyway I can get in touch with you? Thank you

[@unclejonssoap]

[e-mail]

[@joanbelmont5450]

And I love that Hyacinth Bucket clip!!! I love that woman!!! She’s my favorite actress and comedian ever!! As a matter of fact I sent her a postcard a few weeks ago. She lives in the UK

[@levanasoaps6142]

Some people just cannot handle being wrong. Or the idea that maybe they don't know everything. Also, when you are stepping outside the norm to present a new idea, there will always be people who reject it. Just blow them off. Sadly, some people are narcissists, straight up. They feel no empathy. Don't care if they hurt others, never did, never will. So you just have to cut them off and move on.

[@mysticmaidensoaps2960]

I keep swearing I’m going to figure a way to not do dual lye for shave soap 😂 I’ve made some amazing shave soaps but phew that stearic acid made me squish it into a mould and it got HOT. I’ll definitely let ya know if it happens just so you can pffft those people too with me 🤣

[@robertahubert9155]

Thanks John for sharing your experiences. Love your attitude ❤️

[@hbrunet72]

Yet another excellent video! I actually think I know the Facebook thread you are talking about with the organic material. I had questions about that kind of thing as well, but chose to keep quiet in that thread. I learned a lesson that day ... if I have questions I will talk to someone I know (or at least someone who's opinion I value from Facebook or KZbin) and ask them. For the record, if I had questions, you would be one of those that I would ask. Thank you for being both knowledgeable and kind.

[@ajaykuthial1068]

Hi Jon's, I am struggling to sought out soap sweating. Please guide me how to get rid of it.

[@unclejonssoap]

It could be for a few different reasons. Some just sweat while curing. But some will also sweat when the weather changes due to the natural glycerine content.

[@rhonduh]

Thank you🙏 sooo much for making this video. p.s. I've learned alot from you about the differences between making hot process and cold process soap recipes.

[@flyfishing1776]

Spot on👍👍👍

[@jhazzazi9575]

Thanks uncle John I am new to soaping myself. I was asking about using oatmeal. I Got a lot of good info. Then one women proceeded to tell me that I need to get off of the thread because I did not have enough experience to be on there. And I responded I am pretty sure this thread is for beginner soap making... was really surprised cause I got a message for the admin to please don’t leave this lady is no longer welcome on our page!!!!!! Was surprised by support of the rest of the threaders!!!! Needless to say I am still a member of that group.....

[@unclejonssoap]

Yep . There's at least one in every crowd.

[@kayla-rae4770]

Could you do a video on organic additives in soap?

[@cupcakecanopy]

Ahh this answers my last question. Thank you ❤ (haters gonna hate... These people are outright looking for someone to vent their 💩 on. Great vid)

[@sterlingknight8087]

Tell 'em, Jon.

[@debbenjo5875]

Jon, YOU are not a Karen for sure!

[@noeditbookreviews]

I have a question I'm hoping you could help me with. I want to make the pink fight club soap. I do cold process mold pour. I was wondering is mica an effective way to color a whole batch? I've only ever used it for topical aesthic.

[@unclejonssoap]

Honestly, I'm not sure mica would do it. A soap dye would be better suited for that.

[@noeditbookreviews]

@@unclejonssoap hey, thanks. I appreciate your response. I tired a batch today and the color faded drastically after setting a number of hours.

[@dearbrave4183]

Hahaha the thumbnail😂😂. Why are people mean?😭 Especially to beginners because they are still insecure and sensitive.

[@johnonethree]

In writing, tone is easily misunderstood.

[@unclejonssoap]

Yep! But sometimes people are just rude and they THINK it's just being misunderstood. My mother in law was that way in person..lol. She would make a rather nasty (snobbish) comment and couldn't understand when people would get ticked out walk away.

[@hyugakeishing6759]

I started making soap just last October and you have been my go to for almost everything I need. I follow your videos religiously. Thank you.

[@TAG_AXLE]

AMEN BOTHER JOHN!!!

[@moonshadowessentialssoapsn5287]

I don’t make actually shaving soap but I shave with my cold process soap. So do a lot of my customers and my daughter does n my sons do also. It’s my regular recipe. I never really thought about it cause it’s just what I’ve done for 6 years. I only do cold process soap. I don’t market it for shaving but it’s all we use n most of my customers as well. But some people also think that u must take ur temperatures of ur lye n ur oils and they have to be within so many degrees of each other. And that’s when what u just said come into play. U see someone doing a heat transfer method and they have a stroke . And they obviously don’t know and they obviously are only repeating what they have heard other soap makers say. If they did there research they would know about the heat transfer method and ur temperatures are not important because u can’t get a bigger temperature difference then doing the heat transfer method. Ur pouring hot fresh lye over unmelted solid oils and butters. But these ppl w have a stroke. And they all repeat the same thing “ ur going to have lye heavy soap and ur temperatures need to be within 15 degrees of each other!” No they don’t. Some ppl will go crazy seeing someone make soap if it’s u see 80° F. N that’s ridiculous cause I master batch my oils n butters, I freeze the water and when I’m getting ready to make soap I grab a bucket full of my oils n butters I hit it w the mixer and I put the lye over my ice dissolve it and pour my lye in. Some people don’t know that u can do a 50% water discount as long as u have equal parts of water n lye or a few ounces more of the water then the lye. I’m a researcher. I did research for almost a year before I made one batch of soap. Ppl need to relax. It’s soap , it’s not that deep! It’s only soap and if ur taking it to that level then either u need some help or u have to find another hobby. I would think that if u wanna grow what u do learning how others do things is to ur benefit. Cause it can inspire u to come up with something fantastic! And maybe there is an easier way of doing something. Maybe u can learn something from someone who has experience or maybe a more experienced person who’s set in there ways might learn something fantastic from the new generation of soap maker’s. I think criticism is a good thing. I would rather someone say to me “ that works like shit” as opposed to them lying and me selling it and now the public thinks ur products are shit lol. But u can give criticism without being a hurtful moron. N u know ppl are going to talk bad about u from the moment ur born till u die. U can’t beat up the world ! Don’t try. As long as u like urself and what u do then fuckem to be totally blunt! What other ppl think about u is none of ur business! And it doesn’t matter what ppl call u , it only matters what u answer to. U can’t let other people upset u. It’s not worth it. But if u wanna get a great response from soap maker’s go on private Facebook pages of KZbinrs. Cause if u pull that shit they will block that person. Ppl share there soap’s and designs and ideas and give advice to each other all the time. Jenn from BeScented is a great Facebook page. And Jerika from Quench. They don’t allow that nasty stuff to go on. And ppl share and give each other ideas and encourage each other. I was going to go on Keeley’s Facebook page. She owns Soy n Shea. These ladies are really helpful it’s a great community on their. I love it. That was so kind of u to stick up for ppl who are being bullied. Very cool!

[@bigcmoore]

Something else to think about when thinking about the subject at hand. Generally speaking "smart people" know it is pointless to argue with not so smart people because no matter what they will not change their mind on anything even if proven wrong. I think the lack of not being challenged much and (in their eyes) never being proven wrong when challenged adds to the way some people act.

[@Somerandomguy2998]

Just hit them with a "No, you"

[@jgassa]

OR….”You’re soap is too pretty to use!”

[@cupcakecanopy]

😂😂 love that into ❤

[@chloemartel9927]

Hilarious intro.

[@magnoliagrovehomestead]

New subscriber, and aspiring soap maker. While I’d love to be successful at making and selling soap, I’ve always got a few side hustles going, I’m just hoping to keep all of my friends and family clean. I have a few dairy goats, and have made a few batches of the ugliest goat milk soaps you’ll ever see. Somehow stumbled across your channel today, and enjoyed watching several of your videos. Btw, your yelling at the beginning of the video scared the bejeezus out of my dogs. The cats still hiding somewhere 😆 Anyways, you probably won’t see this, but wanted to say I really enjoy your videos. I love your no nonsense, direct and to the point style. I can’t really take much of the super sweet soapers. The overly bubbly (pun intended) people kinda grate on my nerves. Keep doin what you’re doin! ~Jenn

[@flint857]

Huh. Didn't know people said you can only do hot processed shave soap. Shhhhhhh don't tell all my satisfied customers that what they bought wasn't soap forum approved shave soap.apearently I haven't been making it wrong.... lol people and there hang ups...

[@kiki1965]

Truth!!!

[@mysticmaidensoaps2960]

Also I tell people only rules in soap making is you need oils, lye, no less than a 1:1 ratio for the lye solution (for body soaps and without citric etc) other than that....experiment!

[@joanbelmont5450]

In what group did it happened? Want to make sure I’m not a member!

[@unclejonssoap]

Can't remember off the top. But unfortunately, it seems to be a running pattern in many groups.

[@joanbelmont5450]

@@unclejonssoap Unfortunately! 😣

[@sulochanadavis6018]

Bless you for this video, i face mean people most every day . I sale candles

[@deannatroy8113]

I watched some of your videos the other day (and other peoples). I decided to make soap from ash. It was runny, so I cooked it all together on a gas stove to try to thicken it. Then I left to pick up something from the cook pen. Got held up a bit. When I came home, the stove, 2 pots, and the bench was on fire. 1 meter high fire. Didn't have a fire blanket, but managed to put it out with foil and a shovel. Lucky it was thought of! Nearly burned the house down. Don't think I will ever try soap making again lol.

[@tonybirdwell1371]

👍

[@k3lzzm.502]

😆 🤣 😂 😹 lol haha 🤣