Plan Z - The Good The Bad And The Ugly- Time To Regroup The Only Question Is How

We've worked through all the obvious bugs on our long term Slant Six Mopar project. We've got the fuel distribution issues knocked, the ignition sorted and now our off idle stumble and bog is gone. The car functions perfectly, and because of this, the deficiencies in it's basic combination have become clearly defined.
It's all got to come apart. The question now, is what form will it take when we put it back together again.
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[@Solamint1]

Build a basic square tube chassis like the SEGA cars use, put the Plan Z body on it, continue with the project. A lot of work, but a great content producer. Slag Hammer is a hot rod, keep Plan Z a 60's era race car. Its one of the pillars of this channel.

[@travislostaglia8861]

Put the stick back in it. In your first video of this car from 4 years ago you said it didn’t run hard until the manual transmission was in it. Don’t worry about other people driving it

[@molinelligarage1004]

Yes !!!! I was thinking the same thing

[@v6ileib]

Plan Z has sentimental value for your viewers. The unorthodox combination of ultra lightweight swiss cheese body, 225 slant and the weak 7.5" rear that stood out form other project cars on youtube at the time. It was and is an underdog but it has the cool factor. It is impressive how much content you have made just on that car. Your leaning towards the "Mule" is very understandable. Go on, try new things! If you enjoy it, then i'm sure that viewers will too. Engine wise maybe don't go to turbo LS land, this has been covered in youtube for far too many times. But a working slant six draw-through turbo setup like you tinkered with couple of years ago- why the hell not? It won't be ultimate horsepower monster but it can be damn cheap to build with all the turbo cars going to junkyard these days.

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

Well said. Some of the comments overlook that he said everything would move over to the Charger and the same tests would continue. It doesn't mean anything to me, because I'm only interested in cause and effect, and not the car. For someone starting out, it's a good lesson that beyond a given point you will have to make hard choices that you won't like . Maybe I've become too optimistic?

[@jamescameron6819]

I'd second the pissing around with the slant

[@stuartburgess2409]

& it's such good fun on a budget which is right where your ethos delivers!🎉

[@richwood8650]

Uncle Tony, I know you are very capable of making the decisions to come. PLEASE, if you're going to change cams, go with a higher operating rpm than 6000. Shoot for at least 7500 rpm. Then with the lower gears and new cam, you will be under carburated. Perfect opportunity to get some much needed data! Lol c'mon man.

[@clutchkicker392ison5]

Blow through?

[@jamesmartin-lb6br]

Turbo and intercool that slant!

[@zachhaag7854]

That would be defeating the purpose of what he's doin

[@Hipsters_N_Hippies]

Agreed, I’m tired of seeing turbo 6cyl going against lower powered v8’s. That story is getting a bit played out.

[@mikpiece469]

Then he would have to digitise it - not going to happen (unfortunately)

[@Hipsters_N_Hippies]

You guys are completely missing one of the points talked about in this video. Rear section 7:51. Front section 8:31

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

James, he went into that about power adders and why he won't go that way, even though he does have lots of experience with them. I'm sorry I can't remember which video he discussed it, but it was basically wanting to remain Old School in what he does now. But definitely.... Twin turbos!! (And a broom to sweep reciprocating components off the track)😉👍

[@timmcooper294]

Yes and Yes !! Don't give up on the slant. Watching the Australian video on dyno tuning the mildly built slant with side draft Webers really impressed me. 280+ HP @ 6,000 290+ Lb-ft @ 4,000 with a really broad range, super impressive considering the less than great exhaust setup and mild (but well done) cylinder head. That engine was dialled in, and I suspect a single four barrel setup could equal or better those #'s on that same basic engine, especially with proper headers + exhaust.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Sounds like a decent power curve ,as we all know the HP/tq being equal at 5252(usually) , so it sounds like it's holding 280-290 from like 4-6k

[@zelenskysboot361]

That was an impressive video.

[@timmcooper294]

@@zelenskysboot361 Yes, those guys pulled together a sweet running combination, and that stresses a point.....Combination ! I think Plan Z is struggling due to a mis-matched combo, and agree with Uncle Tony about the camshaft being potentially the issue. I became friends with a Bonneville racer back in the '80s, and watched him develop the Hudson 308 flathead six thru much trial and error. He managed to pull over 1HP / C.I. out of that flathead naturally aspirated on a 7.5:1 compression ratio (higher ratios killed breathing /HP, a flathead problem !! ) Real hot rodding can be challenging / disappointing at times, but tenacity, with a bit of luck, pays off !

[@firstielasty1162]

If they aren't equal, the curve is wrong. There is no way around it, torque (in ft-lbs) just IS equal to hp at 5252 rpm. Not usually, always.

[@MidnightOilsRestoration]

Happy Father's Day brother. I think that dart is perfect for what you are doing, I know it's flaky inside..I've seen many that way. My advice is to build a back half to make it a solid structure. The outer part looks good and it's not twisting or that back glass would never survive. Do it the same way you did drilling the holes. A little at a time. It'll come together faster than you think. I thought the pass you made looked great by the way. If it gets up faster it'll run out fine, who wants to do faster than 100 in the 1/8th anyways...🤐😅🤫 You get what I mean. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. 😊

[@lostwill86]

I personally don't want to see Plan Z go anywhere, it's it own thing. And what really drew alot of us into the channel

[@tonenuff]

I love the process, and idea, of Plan Z. Taking us down the track today was awesome, and I could “feel” where it lagged at the line & top end. As you said, mid-range was solid though. Loved hearing about changing the rear, changing the planetary, and getting a new cam. All of this speaks directly to why I dig what you do; build everything, race anything…as for folding this into the mule, the concept is cool, but I have a concern - your ADD. You have focused on this and it’s awesome, you start folding in small blocks, big blocks, etc and the Slant is going to end up on a stand and go nowhere (slant Miata) You’ll get distracted… I really want to see the full fruition of this idea, and how much power you can really get out of a slant 6, because I love those engines! So, if you fold it into the mule, please stay focused on the Plan Z/slant 6 idea until it run it’s course. That’s my $.02 👍🏼

[@AtomicFacePunch]

I love the idea of Plan Z. That said, it's not worth back halfing that car just for what you're doing with it. I hate to see it go, but the mule car sounds like an overall superior educational implement. I, for one, respect what you have done with the slant, but support you putting your time and money where it will be the most fun! Otherwise it's just another job you hate...

[@truthboomertruthbomber5125]

It would be interesting to put the 6 on an engine dyno. Not a chassis dyno. Play with the timing, see what the AFR looks like , etc.

[@fastinradfordable]

Its been done. Because of the wide manifold you end up with diff fuel ratio on each cylinder. Aka rich on center Lean on outside

[@nickstephens2913]

@@fastinradfordable it's that way on a v8 probly not quite as bad of a spread tho

[@EitriBrokkr]

​@@fastinradfordabledid you watch the video where he explains all of that, and what he did to solve that? Just asking.

[@stephenmoulton9284]

@@fastinradfordable ford fuel injection ok jeep > use their distributor and computer too ,have to admit that's a combination with enggeennerding all through it . each cylinder is tuned by spark plug resistance, beet that ! then turbo it, cause the valves are stinking small, , ok sodium filled stems if you need too . then water injection cause 1003 times expansion from L to G then may bee you'll have some pressure on the piston(300psi) past 30 degrees of top dead center......dubt it though...hey make it a steam engine ! long strokes work well there. 😅

[@legros731]

​@@stephenmoulton9284 lol moron shut your mouth you make no sense and clearly know nothing about engine lol

[@allhailinternalcombustion]

Being an American I've never seen the slant 6 as more of anything than a dependable engine that would go 200,000 plus miles with regular maintenance. If you're going to move on past the Dart body and focus on the mule then give Plan Z away. Ask your viewers who would be interested in the car, they have to be able to come pick it up, and put their name up on a board. Then have Uncle Cathy throw a dart at the board to determine the winner. Might be interesting for you to see what someone else might do with the car.

[@viktorhardindyrvold4234]

Part of the fun thing to me with Plan Z, was seeing what the slant could do in a thoroughly lightened A body. Switching to a B body with enough beef to support a rowdy big block, would IMO hurt the impression of the slant

[@Broken_Yugo]

I think you're right about moving to the mule. Hardcore race cars are fun to look at and play with but you can't do much with them off a race track.

[@Tumbleweed_Tx]

it doesn't matter what you do to a Slant 6, it's only going to make power up to 5500 rpm's

[@georgemoore6974]

I think you should go with the mule for a few reasons. One, safety first, you don't want something to break going down the track and injure you. Two, it would be cool to see what a full body car would run with different combinations from a slanted 6 to a big block. Three, gives you more time to make combo changes instead of chasing cancer on a car.

[@JSki-kb8vf]

Do a leak down test...get a disc brake rotor/ball joint checker and dial the cam while it's still in the engine to make sure it's actually what it's supposed to be...and something in me wants to block off the hood scoop...might be leaning it out...only way I know to get a good read on the plugs is to shut off the ignition at the finish line and throw it into neutral...

[@Daniel-fd3wp]

I like how you start off with Good News and Bad News. It definitely brings up great Content on your Channel. Let’s break it down and Listen to Uncle Tony. 👍

[@thomashodges6104]

The motor sounds great.

[@4-gear]

And yes it is worth it to put it back together. You have a great platform. Any weaknes you find in the chassis can be repaired. Fabbing up some frame rails is fairly easy for guys like us. Make it close to stock. You don't need a pro stock chassis. There is a lot of potential in many areas for this car. The slant 6 plan is awesome. Stick with it.

[@randymack2222]

Without extreme modification the "Hillside Hemi" is severely handicapped! The main reason is that the intake and exhaust are both on the same side of the head. It will never flow well! It has been great fun watching it develop... But there's a time when you have to decide if you are wasting time and resources on something with diminished returns, resources that could be better applied elsewhere. There are some very fast slants racing, they also have some very deep pockets! Continuing to run this in your "Mule" platform sounds like a good direction for the future. Not to mention saving another vehicle footprint of shop space!

[@adeeponionbrah]

No self delusion here. Good man. Moving forward after learning.

[@brettmcintyre4956]

With limited time and resources, I think it is always a good idea to pick your battles. My opinion is Plan Z ran its race and you need to focus on what appeals to you. Yes, your viewers have become attached to the projects and will have sadness seeing that one put on the shelf, however the best way forward is not always a straight line. My vote is to keep your sanity and not do drudgery type work to keep the idea alive. Just table it for another time and get going on what interests you (in the end this channel needs you to be engaged and inspired to have the heart and soul it has). I personally am anxiously waiting on your MPG build but the mule sounds like it could host that as well. Can you get 30-35 MPG out of a classic? Keep the fire stoked and the coffee hot! Go UTG team, we am here supporting you!

[@Lecherous_Rex]

I look forward to a test mule, but I suggest you give the Plan Z shell to someone who can reconstruct whats left for posterity. Between the history and the weight reduction done, it'd be nice to know it came back better than ever.

[@ManuelPerez-ip4bb]

Maybe Kiwi sounds like the master for the job.

[@fastinradfordable]

You hear him say it’s modified beyond what should come back to the street. You are gaslighting him

[@lilmike2710]

I would be proud to make regular passes at my local 8th mile track. I'd bring it for every test and tune night and grudge races against other 4 and 6 cyl cars in it's class. So what if it has car cancer.... If that's the case, run that sob until it's wheels literally fall off.

[@lilmike2710]

​@@fastinradfordable 🤔 I think you might be confused as to what gaslighting means.

[@jeffmello4887]

Silly question however are you sure you're getting full travel on your throttle linkage?

[@Hipsters_N_Hippies]

The Belvedere mule is what happens when... project X, meets plan Z (and helps teach us Y) the car kind of meets in the middle anyway.😉🙃

[@FrankF-vp4pt]

I think the mule car makes good sense Uncle Tony. Multi purpose with many options.

[@henryoddsball2164]

I see old school front engine dragsters for sale occasionally for not a ton of $$. I think that would be a cool slant platform.

[@stuartburgess2409]

Always loved the underdog planZ & it's been a very enjoyable series, but only serious mods are going to make it go faster with the non cross flow head although nitrous wold be an absolute blast along with a small to mid sized turbo or supercharger to liven it up in the 8th. I'm happy just to enjoy the route you take & always look forward to your videos, Stu in the UK 🇬🇧

[@jimbosc]

Plan Z was built to a pretty small set of parameters - low HP, drag strip only use, and it has the current issues Tony listed off. I loved the slant 6 Miata content, the engine build for Plan Z, and the Plan Z related videos...... at this point I am fine moving on past Plan Z. I would rather UTG play around with a Mule and why not throw some Nitrous at it - or a turbo engine - or what UTG cooks up. The progression would be interesting - Slant 6, 318...then a big block. With whatever cheap "power adders" make sense - keeping with the theme of this channel. Trips to Mexico can be as much fun as the drag strip test runs.

[@66gsstage23]

Good plan especially given that the Dart is full of cancer. Being able to run around "Mexico" will help dial it in a lot faster with a minimum of aggravation.

[@kramnull8962]

That was still a very respectable run for no better gear that she's got. She sounds like she could still pull hard with the steeper gearing...

[@Jim-ic2of]

Swapping cams makes sense at this point . Figure out what that glass ceiling is doing there . I know you're a pro and I've watched your videes about distributors but still uncertain about ignition timing advance . It seems stock advance machinations aren't able to advance far enough for high revs . Especially for a long stroke application 😊😮😢. Thanks for getting Plan Z out to the track . Reaction time philosophy would make a great tutorial someday . ✌️

[@MichaelWilliams-kq1lv]

Im okay with Z Mule plan. Do whatever you think makes the best content. You've done great so far. Thanks

[@_CAT-lg4sr]

Tony, It's not breathing. Rework the head (port & polish maybe w/ 340cid exhaust valves) & flow-bench it to verify. Mill it 0.120" or so, so you can run high octane 104 av-gas (provided you can get some). Verify clearances of valves - to - piston w/ old school clay method prior to milling. Go to dual exhaust with an "X" pipe cross-over as close to the headers as you can get, so you get better scavenging and increased flow. (Check out the set-ups that "Clifford Performance" 6=8 offers and maybe copy that?) That's what I used for my build w/ their intake and a Holley 4bbl. Works REALLY well. It's possible that the locked static timing isn't working as planned? Possible mechanical advance and re-work the advance curve with the various springs available to fine tune the advance. You can do that on the bench with a "variac" transformer to vary the RPM's controlling a series motor to spin the distributor at various RPM's. Degree wheel, timing light, some HV & a tach. That way you can plot/graph the advance to see what works best for your set-up. All can be done on the cheap & totally "old-school".

[@randallblack9519]

Rolling dyno and mexico is hot. Brings back my 60's youth.

[@jaredjohnston8061]

As a fellow mopar man I’m sad about plan z but stoked for the Mule to happen!! No LS crap though Tony! lol Great knowledge and content as usual! Keep it up! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@legros731]

Why do you fear getting your feeling hurt when a ls make good power with nothing special and just work with fi no crap carburetor that he clearly got no clue how to setup correctly

[@nathanhine286]

In Australia, we had An E38 265ci slant six for touring cars. Adv. Duration @ 0.050" Lobe C/Line Valve Lift Basic RPM Valve Inlet .Adv Duration 273° @ .050 .218° Lobe Centre line.108° Valve lift .481 th 750 - 5100 Good idle Hyd Exhaust Adv Duration .270° @ .050 .216° LOBE CENTRE line .111° Valve lift .476 th Hyd

[@AtZero138]

You Do, We Watch.. live it.. Keep on wrenching folk's

[@richdiscoveries]

That Slant six sounds like a sewing machine, and I love it

[@jamessouthworth1699]

I know this is months after the fact but I saw something today that made me think of Plan Z. I saw a Clifford intake manifold that has provisions for your heater hoses to connect to it and preheat the manifold. I'm not sure if that's something that would help your project or not but Plan Z came to mind when I saw it.

[@fredmacdonald9339]

rust never sleeps

[@dwbeatty6252]

I look forward to the mule with all of the things you are planning for it yet I hate to see plan z body get abandoned I just really love that old car and would like to see it used for something good even if only a stock slant 6 and street driven if I had it I think I would do just that with it

[@DeliriumElectric]

yes I agree

[@TinManKustoms]

I still would like to see plan z make it to the magical number. Bit maybe that's where putting it aside or bringing in a high-school crew could essentially make that possible

[@lb9gta307]

I'd like to see Plan Z get a 3.9 Magnum for a laugh. Weight off the nose and probably similar power... I think it could be interesting with minimal cost.

[@rockymeyers4030]

2.2 turbo with a dakota 5 speed? Perfect for what's left of plan Z

[@mattivancic3402]

I would go back to the manual trans one last time and wing it hard keep it out of the bad bottom end. then do the mule car and old yeller plan z

[@Ed-G]

I really like your thoughts on bringing the two projects together. I know it's very hard to abandon a project, but incorporating the two makes the most "cents".

[@vincerencher9128]

Like the red white and blue car on the other channel, there comes a point where it becomes too structurally unsound and maybe even unsafe. maybe better to go a different direction.

[@bbb462cid]

The dollars don't add up to common sense with this one Tony. A hobbyist at home would be better off starting over with a car that is worth it.

[@Clappedoutgarbage]

Looked pretty fast to me uncle tony! I'm used to heavy ass old trucks that are 4x4 so I couldn't complain... as for keeping or not keeping the car alive.... you don't find old cars in the best shape anymore I say keep it going!

[@mikasantos3774]

I remember back in the day and old man and his 13sec duster he said that he ran 513 gear ratio never said anything else about his set up but it moved for a 6cyl

[@stevejarred6484]

Tony - Put a 100 shot on Plan Z & send 'er out in a blaze of glory! We'll all salute you!

[@NonTypicalRacing]

I think I got it figured out Tony, sounds like you dropped a couple cylinders! That'll make it suck at the front end and the big end.

[@loafbred]

This was all about "what can be done cheaply with a slant 6", and it hasn't failed, but it's going to need more work. The weak rear half of the car could probably be made stiff enough, without adding too much weight. Kiwi could help there. Using nitrous sounds like a headache because of the intake manifold. Who knows what effect spraying more stuff in there will do to distribution. A turbo with a good intercooler sounds good to me.

[@user-jf9kz7od7m]

Slag Hammer would be perfect for this! Easy to work on, it already exists, stable solid platform, should be able to reliably repeat run after run!

[@lorriegriffith4979]

I think you have the right idea, ditch the “A” body & bring out the test mule that can be Street-able! Marty G

[@drmopar6122]

Jeep Dana 30 or 35 rear axle with 4.88 or lower gears (5.13 or 5.38 if they’re available) and a power glide adapted in with 1.81 low gear and an 8 inch converter. Power glide is lighter and takes very little power to run, and the Dana 30 or 35 has the same attributes.

[@elmerfudpucker3204]

I know the slants can run, there are a bunch of them out there doing it. I agree, gears and a cam change is the most obvious right now. It fell on it's face on top in the run you posted, and I am sure you have enough compression to move up on the cam. Pretty sure you have the most of what it is, at this point.

[@pkuudsk9927]

I have to agree with Craig Davis put a used "pro mod " chassis under Planz and hang the panels on it. Them use it as the test mule. Lots of old tube chassis to be found cheap that would work for what your doing, then everything is based on changes to the drive train not the chassis so much. Put the weakest motor in and see what changing tires shocks rims gears as a progressive learning exercise goes.. Then NOS BIG MOTOR.

[@Jaybird66sweptline]

The Mule is a fantastic idea. Excited to see what you all come up with.

[@watzonda2b]

Gosh, I REALLY like Plan Z in it's present form. To me Slant 6 equals A body. I think it's the platform (A body) that most people will hop up a slant 6 in. You are a Pro UT! Your television style magazine is superb, always looking forward to the next installment. I, personally, would like to see Plan Z continue like it is.......but ya gotta do what you think is best, respect you for that!

[@davidboyden9099]

Learning curves never stop. I doubt Smoky Yunik stopped learning. Keep at it

[@beddytektu8349]

UTG Plan Z is perfect, as it was designed from the start just get the most from the least.

[@brokentoolgarage]

Good stuff. As I recall that is the whiplash cam - the smallest Hughes cam. That probably peaks out around 4500rpm. The reworked 2bbl carb from Mission Impossible would probably match better. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

[@noemdfan1]

You have the master (David Vizard) as a consultant. Have him spec the camshaft (before you swap the rear axle, but after you swap to the wide ratio gear set in the 904-Torqueflite)! I’ll bet you’ll be surprised….

[@gtv6fan]

Please don't give up on this car. Gear it, find a cam it it can't do any more after that then Ok but not yet. I think it is great content.

[@seabulls69]

I hear you on the "magical" slant 6. They were a rock of reliability in the 60s. The current plan Z body is toast. One of the first thoughts I had for the engine and tranny was something light and nimble. Like a Miata. I must have missed what happened to that project.

[@race8427]

Torque Storm and NOS the motor before removing cam. The mix going through those small valves and ports may just need a push. Building big power with an RPM limited motor may just need a lil helper.

[@redchris97]

I gotta say uncle T, I agree with you that nitrous is probably the best/cheapest bang for the buck for making power with a slant 6, but i remember a few years back that video you made about understanding the slant 6, and the best in my opinion is probably a turbo considering what you mentioned about the slant 6 being velocity challenged, a turbo will take care of all that, although to be completely honest, building a turbo system for a slant 6 does not look fun considering the intake and exhaust are on the same side

[@garryhatchett775]

Re-purpose slag hammer. Return the suspension to original a-body set up. Of course that may not be possible since it was fused withe truck chassis.

[@ianmorley4345]

That's the coolest view from the time slip booth ever!

[@MikeLawson-cj4kt]

I have to second swapping out the rear end. My Slant Six Mirada has an 8.25" rear axle and it's staying put. All three of my 318 Miradas have 7.25 axles and the '82, which is getting the '83 318 in it, is getting an '00 8.25 put under it. The 318 will shred a 7.25 when I'm done with it so, "out with the old, and in with the new."

[@outlawbillionairez9780]

I think you taught a different lesson that's great for beginners. You found the limitation of cost vs benefit in a project. I hope The Youth are paying attention.

[@jlletaw1954]

I agree with everything you said & that Charger looks good too 👍

[@raiderjohnthemadbomber8666]

When you first said that it fell off at both ends, my first thought was to get more aggressive with the carb and check out the cam. But you're a better tuner than I could dream about.

[@HeadFlowInc]

Wait to change the gearing of the transmission, swap in the 8 3/4” with a set of 4.88’s

[@boilerroomed3682]

I like the "economist" arguments that ended up with "Sunk Costs" and "ROI" as to the plan Z. Tony's a regular Mises Institute type thinker!! 💸💰

[@trojan440]

You are probably right, if you do manage to get it down the track,will it hold together,not much car left to take a hit. Like the mule theory,coronets are nice cars,be good to see that happen. Enjoy your channel, keep it coming. 👍

[@michaelgiglio1571]

Hey Tony, if you want to make a mule 6 cl get up, Take the rainbow manafold of and use tripple S,U,s or webbers, and go with a 4 speed manual. Mike.

[@dannybradley271]

Pull the plug on "Z". The idea is great but the foundation will always be suspect. The "mule" sounds more fun.

[@doctorromex7804]

That thing is driving thru the converter. you can hear it. lt needs less slip but more torque multiplication factor.

[@Tommy_Mac]

I would suggest doing what you suggest your viewers do-change one thing at a time. Skip the 83/4 for now. Put the lower gears in the trans to get better acceleration out of the hole. Then try retarding the cam a bit to see if it wakes it up, up top. You may want to try twin carbs to improve flow distribution...

[@tomstrum6259]

I had seen a few /6's run surprisingly Good......The featured "Ruster" /6 car is very Similar in weight & with the 4 barrel Carb & Automatic really Scoots !!

[@johnelliott7375]

What ever your heart and mind brings to real life.I hope you have a great afternoon, a good evening and a great upcoming week. God bless you and your family. Was enjoyable video as always and I will be looking forward to seeing what you are going to come up with. Hopefully we see you soon.

[@robflammia4716]

Put a turbo on the slant. I always wanted to do that. Boost it till it lifts the head .

[@danielkoch6815]

Tony - Totally on board with your plan. However, please consider this...how about trying to come up with a shorter set of tires and swap the cam before you take it apart? I'd really love to see the maximum potential of this set-up before you Dr. Frankenstein it into something else.

[@edpetrikk2027]

O.K. Never give up ( Dan and Dani can help you with that one )…Rust never sleeps…Good luck finding a cam that ..pulls ..both at the bottom end ..and.. the top end …Good luck swapping all kinds of engines into ..one..car ..and..Happy Fathers Day ..Pops 😎🚗

[@gregleenyit]

Lemme tell ya what I learned. I learned you're good at making cars go slow. remember thou it's not how slow you go...It's how you go slow. 😂

[@michaelwiddifield920]

I could be wrong but it sounds like you might have enough lift but not enough duration in your camp😊

[@roymceachin7409]

It’s a waste of time really. Always going to take a nap while it goes down the track. But I give you kudos for having daily content Tony .

[@kart70]

It sounds like, to me, Plan Z is similar to the Liberty Chevelle. Both cars are iconic cars of their respective channels, and yet, both may be too far gone to not face retirement.

[@clembob8004]

This is a tough call. The B-body seems too heavy to really work with a slant six. Small or big block, yes, it's a great mule platform, but not slant six. On the other hand, I guess it would be interesting to see just how much you can get out of a slant six in a B-body. Personally, I think another A-Body would be a better mule platform, but you got what you got, and the Belvedere is there. Here's another insane thought: find a 2wd D100 pickup frame and build a slant six dune buggy/drag machine. Super light, no worries about rust, etc, and a ton of fun. The object here would be getting the absolute lightest weight thing on 4 wheels to run with slant 6 power.

[@tdkrei]

I agree with you Tony on building a mule however I also think you have run the gamimit with Plan Z body and frame. I don't think the body is worth and investment or effort. Everything else about the car is.

[@scottbrown7415]

Find a steel crank 440 from a old dodge motor home. Do a budget build and then try some off the shelf performance heads and short vs long headers.

[@user-ys4vn6ec4s]

You need airflow to make power, my guess the head needs professional porting and oversize valves. The cam has to match the head. Compression needs to be, at least 10 to 1.

[@michaelschablon6148]

Drop the Z. Launch the Mule. Just promise you do a nitrous or forced induction slant. I have a 68 Valiant here in Australia and I'm looking for idea's.

[@edwardnulton7228]

I watch your channel faithfully but I’m not a big commenter. I think that you’re right about just adding the Plan Z concept to the mule car because like you said the car isn’t safe for speeds much over 90 mph and you have to trailer it to the track every time you want to try something with it because it’s not road worthy as where the mule car will give us the results that we all want to see from a slant 6 but you can just take a quick drive to Mexico and try out whatever it is you’re working on. Plus you’ll be able to spray it and we all know nitrous makes everything more fun until it isn’t fun lol. I’m for the mule car and stopping the work on the Plan Z car. You asked for us to comment so I did this time lol

[@UnfinishedProjectDartSport]

I don’t think I like where this conversation is headed. Like it or not Plan Z!! Is an icon. Not to be discarded because it needs a “little work”.

[@paulbrinker482]

I know this channel is about low dollar builds but I feel like some Dyno time might be needed to help tune the slant. Cam swaps, valve springs and carb tuning could get sorted much quicker.

[@NoralBlundell]

👍 Garage 54rocks . I thought I was a bit off centre watching them, I feel better now.🤔

[@TheMoparsrule]

I would love to see a stock 440 build starting just with nitrous and on from there built your way.