Under The Skin of Sodor’s White Elephant - A Railway Series Discussion

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[@joshuaW5621]

This was a fun explanation. It just goes to show how much depth and lore this franchise has. People like Mattel and KZbin may not see the appeal for Thomas, but that doesn’t stop us fans from making great content and theories like this one. The fact we are still talking about it nearly 80 years later is truly remarkable.

[@callanbailey8008]

True mate

[@EdwardsDayOut]

Personally, I like to believe Luke’s theory, and that Henry was rebuilt using some of the same parts. But it’s also funny to imagine they just took off the smokebox door and stuck it on a black 5 and called it a day.

[@maniacmetallix]

Copy and paste the face

[@FunAngelo2005]

@@maniacmetallix more like cut and paste

[@rhyusbrand8311]

@@FunAngelo2005 yes

[@Ross665]

Personally I like to think Henry was rebuilt into something approaching a Black 5 at a quick glance visually, but would still retain small details and quirks relating to his original design shape, therefore keeping him unique.

[@martinhonor6949]

To me the heart and soul of a steam locomotive are in the "engine" bit. By that I mean the cylinders, valve gear and motion, the firebox and boiler are just providing the energy to make them work. Most owners of internal combustion engines would probably agree. The face on the smokebox door being an anthropomorphic projection of the loco's "soul". On the mainland locos regularly had their boilers replaced when shopped for a major overhaul. It being quicker to swap the boiler and its firebox for a spare than do all the necessary maintenance on the old one. Then in due time the old boiler would be overhauled and fitted to another locomotive. To me Henry II is a major rebuild using the original frames, wheels, cylinders and motion. Thus it has the "soul", memory and mental characteristics of the original but new physical ones.

[@karenfan010]

one thing I’ve noticed is that in the tv series when henry returned from crew he looked almost exactly the same besides the firebox shape I think they did this so people would know he’s the exact same engine

[@EthanTheIdioticTankengine]

I mean, yeah thats valid but its cause its just cheaper to have one body shell with a swappable firebox than building a whole new shell

[@theflyingkipper42]

@@EthanTheIdioticTankengine Perhaps during Henry's rebuild, RWS did just that, because it's not necessarily that all the illustrations are accurate.

[@BarcelonaRules]

Nope Henry was boiler is different and firebox is as well. Plus the shape of the running board and how daged Henry look in the accident

[@SodorTrain1225]

The Henry Greenly theory is also a big coincidence, too. After Henry (the engine) found out his REAL designer, he would probbly take on his name. I can just see him chuckling over Greenly's name is similar to the engine's color. This is my new headcanon now.

[@FunAngelo2005]

Nice and fitting headcannon

[@victoriamaynard722]

i like to think that too and pre crewe he was painted in black with red and white lining and the funnel was a shorten one from a retired secr d class and when he was in the works and found his designer, he chose to be painted green to remember him by

[@lukespillman1313]

Sir Topham Hatt: I wanted an Atlantic, and that (censored by the whistle of a passing engine) sent me that!

[@colonelcannonball]

Unironically, this last theory felt like a gigantic punch in the face, but not in a bad way… Because it makes so much sense, and more importantly, it’s so unique that I’m surprised that more people aren’t agreeing with you!

[@theflyingkipper42]

I agree with Luke's theory, maybe they just left a couple of details from Henry 1, such as the face, and the face is that reasonable part of the locomotive that can remember what came before, so Henry remembers the events before the rebuild.

[@TankEngine97]

It's one of the most highly talked about things in the fandom and one that will probably remain unsolved. To me, I've always believed that the 2 Henrys are the same engine. I like to think that the smoke box and boiler were salvaged from the old engine, repaired and became part of the Black 5 engine. It would explain why Henry remembers his events before and after the flying kipper accident. Plus I highly doubt Topham would scrap one of his engines and cover it up by telling a whole new engine to pretend to be it's 'predecessor'. However Luke Ryan's theory does sound like the more logical one and the thief didn't read the entire specifications. Speaking of the thief, I think that's another theory of it's own.

[@N00N01]

Or at all, you would wanna legggggggg it out there asap

[@WildNorWester]

With regards to the extended Atlantic, there's one thing I'd like to point out. The rear driving wheels would poke up into the firebox, which would reduce the interior volume of the firebox. Hence, a smaller fire inside. The firebricks would have to be narrowed to accommodate the wheels.

[@metal_wheels]

I think, if Henry were to be sent to Doncaster to be rebuilt, they would think that Henry's design is mocking the Gresley's A1, considering He was built using stolen plans from N. Gresley, so maybe Hatt thought it would be a better idea to sent Henry to Crewe instead

[@TallboyDave]

Another thing that's interesting is that Topham Hatt was apprenticed at the GWR's works in Swindon, as was Stanier; IIRC, the Reverend wrote it that they were friends, and that Topham covered for Stanier in relation to various events of mischief during their respective apprenticeships. As a result, Stanier owed Hatt a few favours, which Hatt cashed in on to get Henry rebuilt.

[@WildNorWester]

I enjoyed this video. Thank-you for making it. That Greenly theory is quite interesting. It's given me some food for thought.

[@bluespino2024]

In my AU, Henry I was a GNR C1 Atlantic, and was rebuilt by Gresley in 1921 with Gresley conjugated valve gear. The experiment didn’t go as smoothly as expected, and Henry eventually had an accident that resulted in his footplate being torn apart. Afterwards, he was sold to the NWR, and although they succeeded in fixing his valve gear, it came at the cost of “squashing” his firebox. In 1935, after the Kipper accident, Henry was shipped off to Crewe and was rebuilt into Henry II by Stanier, now looking almost like a hybrid of a Jubilee, a Patriot and a Rebuilt Patriot, taking a small leap from Fowler’s design for the unrebuilt Patriot.

[@22Tesla]

I beleive Henry is the same engine, just going through a LONG overhaul, replacing parts when they felt he was well enough to go through to the next step. Kinda like a human going through multiple organ transplants in a row but because Henry is a machine, "recovery" post surgery is something that is given a week or something, mostly owing to my own theory on why the engines are sentient which.... well is a rough theory at best and really needs both time to be worked on and a whole video to explain it.

[@j88productions]

I can just imagine “how do we fix this?” “Uhhhhhhhhhhhh oh look at that it’s a black five with no face.” *Rips Smokebox and slaps it onto the Black five* “Perfect let’s charge them 31459268$dollars”

[@22Tesla]

@@j88productions Yeah, that's the short, funny way of how it was done, mine is a bit different.

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

Whilst my earlier comment is a joke, I do have a head-cannon for our favorite #3, a Henry Greenly design got yoinked by unknown company, who built Henry for the NWR, they named him Henry because they were thought they were funny. Henry was shipped to the NWR, but Sir Topham was displeased to see that Henry was not an A1, but a Greenly design with bigger wheels. Sir Topham had him painted green and sent to work. Welsh coal happens. Now, Henry commits Flying Kipper, and gets rebuilt, Crewe happened to have plans for the newish (came out the year prior) LMS Black 5, so they just build one of those, painted it green because Henry likes green, and baddabing baddaboom, Henry.

[@TrainFanFrancis]

I think that the men at crew (somehow) transferred Henry’s consciousness into a completely different locomotive

[@rutanjelly627]

"You're too expensive, Henry"

[@_cyan4657]

if you'd like to hear more on the Henrys being the same, I got one example: Here in America, Reading had multiple I10 2-8-0s that weren't powerful enough for the war effort and couldn't build new engines, so they took a handful of the into Reading's own shops and rebuilt them into 4-8-4 T1s. There's still 4 other examples around the country still around to see as such, pretty interesting if you'd like to look more into them. The last remaining ones: 2100, 2101, 2102, and 2124, 2100 is being restored in my hometown and 2102 operates in Pennsylvania.

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

Another good example of engines being rebuilt into new ones is the Wabash K-4 and K-5 2-8-2 Mikados, where 5 K-5 classes and 2 K-4 classes were rebuilt into P-1 Class 4-6-4 Hudsons.

[@JoeyMBrooklyn]

I’d say Greenly designed Henry. And after the accident, it was found his smoke box was still in good working order. So while Stanier’s men built a whole new body with some smaller parts, Henry’s smokebox was the only big part that stayed

[@ScrapyardStudios]

The wheels would’ve likely stayed too as his wheels were some 6ft, like the Black 5s

[@waltercampbell4082]

@@ScrapyardStudios I do have something to say I think back then sir topham hatt 1 was in a hurry to find more locomotives for the railway especially for the newly form wildnorwester and he didn't think about what type of Atlantic locomotive that the railway locomotive workshop they had up for sale for him but he had to use what bought and I have to say that there may have been two Henrys in the book series and television series but what matters most both of them may have different builds from first build to newly rebuild and may have the same name but what I'm trying to put out is Henry is still himself no matter what his build and designs are and the magic of the original series is still with us where ever we go or where we live and it's always in a special place in our hearts and we can always watch the original television series and reread the original railway series books and it's ok.

[@RonnieThePRRLocoAKARPTLMR]

Luke Ryan’s theory is perfect for Henry’s history.

[@eggballo4490]

I think Henry is actually an alien.

[@Iced_Cake]

He do be pretty green

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

“This… thing needs repaired” “Well, we’re supposed to scrap this black 5 boiler, and they’re around the same size” *rips off henry’s smokebox door* *slaps it on black 5* “I think we’re done, lads.”

[@ScrapyardStudios]

I SAWED THIS LOCOMOTIVE IN HALF!! And repaired it with only Flex Tape (I’m not funny)

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

@@ScrapyardStudiosyou are funnu

[@jamesbyersmusic]

Henry went though a rebuild/overhaul, but I've never thought that there were two different Henry's.

[@ukaszwalczak1154]

They just took his smokebox door, took it off of the old body, put it onto the new one, bam, Henry is still Henry. Or they took the boiler minus the firebox, used it to build the new body, and bam, Henry.

[@toby070]

I think if I were to make my own Henry MRK1 model, I will make it a personal rule to make the new body on top of a Stanier Black 5 frames/driving wheels. Plus also making the boiler/smokebox diameter the same, and at the same making the firebox 1/2 the size of that of the black five's. In that way the conversion will seem more plausible. I kind of see it that Henry's frames survived the kipper accident, it is just that everything else had to be replaced due to convenience or damage.

[@TheEerieMaster]

I just say they slapped the face/smoke box door onto a black 5 and called it a day🤣

[@historyotaku]

An interesting discussion to say the least. One thing that I do find a bit amusing with the idea of reusing the smoke box door is that it in the context of the real world it wouldn't make much sense. The smoke box of a steam locomotive is actually something that needs to be replaced on a pretty regular basis reusing the door after it had been in a crash doesn't make much sense.

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Very valid point, actually. Especially considering it was a head on collision

[@eliotreader8220]

nice idea on the blue prints being possibly for a narrow gauge steam engine

[@Simerali]

Huh, the Greenly is one I hadn’t ever heard of but its a pretty interesting one tbf, and it does make sense

[@eliotreader8220]

on the subject of the rebuild I think that they might have reused some Henry's smaller parts like wheels and valve gear plus a few other parts that probably wasn't damaged. in the Tv series I feel Henry got a new bigger fire box and they adapted the back of his frames so it could fit

[@Ryder-a-Blaze]

9:08 I hate this

[@paulblichmann2791]

If it was smonk box door, why do diesels have faces.

[@YimYum911]

The greenly theory is the best!

[@randomstufliker2]

Before I get into my idea, in order for it to work, Henry would've had to be a 4-6-0 instead of a pacific. I prefer to think that he was anyway. Not because of the the TV series (entirely), he'd have the same amount of wheels an an Atlantic. Side theory: Henry was delivered to the NWR with his side rods disconnected from his rear wheels, technically making him 4-4-2 Atlantic. With that out of the way, on to my theory. It's basically the second theory just with a few extra details. As I understand it, in the UK, an engine's identity lies within the frames of the engine. So Henry was rebuilt as a Black 5 (or close enough, a Green 5, if you will) keeping his original frames. And that's when you realize that Christopher Awdry describes Henry as "not quite a Black 5"

[@ScrapyardStudios]

2 questions: firstly, why would Henry’s rods be disconnected from his third pair of driving wheels? & secondly, does Chris’ description of Henry come from RBTL?

[@randomstufliker2]

@@ScrapyardStudios For your first question, this would be so his rear driving wheels wouldn’t be powered technically making the trailing wheels, similar to how Edward worked as a “Single” when his side rods were taken off in Edward’s Exploit”. This was so guy that sold Henry to Topham could say “What? You got a 4-4-2.” For your second question, yes, I believe so

[@williampowell3106]

Not quite, Henry would not have to be a 4-6-0 for the rebuild to happen. The Unlucky Tugs says that Henry would have to be an experimental 4-6-0 design in order for the rebuild to happen, but this is not true, Henry could have been a 4-6-2 and rebuilt into a 4-6-0, This actually happened in real life with the GWR "Great Bear" which was 4-6-2 that was rebuilt into a 4-6-0.

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Someone debunking something Tug said for once. Good to know you’re not fickle

[@BIG_RED_PRODUCTIONS_official]

My theory is that everything from Henry was reused for his rebuild but the firebox was scrapped and replaced with a stainer firebox

[@ScrapyardStudios]

It wouldn’t’ve been though. Especially after that big of an accident, it seems impractical to reuse absolutely everything

[@bobbymckechnie7572]

I think that Henry is a mix match of parts from a black 5 8F and a jubilee, I think he is still the same old henry but a different locomotive, same as some of the theories

[@mr.slowking_64]

You fill my brain with knowledge, thank you, Sam, very cool

[@jordaneriksson5417]

He is alive

[@jvbndofvbnebe]

I used to think of henry as a l&yr dreadnought. Because it was a real engine and it had similar problems compared to henry. Whilst i find the theory of a miniature locomotive gone wrong, I think that Henry being a pre-rebuilt dreadnought at least gave him a real basis

[@raymondnash57]

Henry is 2 locomotives confirmed

[@Pinkiepie-2022]

cool and good job you and luke ryan

[@altermike3197]

Henry actually isn't a black 5, he just closely resembles one after his rebuild These types of reconstructions have been done many times before, I recommend Unlucky Tug's video on the "2 Henrys" issue

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Why do you think I put Tug’s video in mine? To be honest, his view on it makes the most sense in regards to the rebuild. He’s a black 5, but one of THE black 5s

[@paulblichmann2791]

New Henry could easily be trained to act as Old Henry. Theory I holds.

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Seems like a lot of effort though

[@ScrapyardStudios]

I mean, as long as he’s shed trained 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@FlyingScotsman-ks8iy]

Great video I like the final theory never heard that one. But where did you find the photo of that greenly engine it looks just like Henry.

[@spring626]

For me, I just have Henry has the c4 Atlantic but with a smaller firebox and rebuilt into a Robinson 8b since they are mostly identical but with a different wheel arrangement and the 8b is longer

[@jerrylousiriban2816]

Oh henry you poor bastard

[@Jtube90]

Wow! Perfect timing for me to find this!

[@ScrapyardStudios]

How come?

[@Jtube90]

My personal AU of this is that they built a slightly modified black 5, removed the originals smokebox door and put it on the black 5. My headcannon is that the faces are attached to the smokebox making a body transplant possible

[@Jtube90]

I found the video 30 seconds after it was released lol

[@paulblichmann2791]

Old Henry would have been fine if allowed to build up PSI to start moving, then he could keep moving quite efficiently. But with Hatt's improvisational style of management, frequent stops and starts were needed, so big coal-wasting firebox was necessary. Old Henry went to a railway with better timetables.

[@Jayhsia1215]

Nice discussion

[@Curlicuecurli]

5:18 based omori music

[@HuminBro]

I personally believe that They made another locomotive, And they removed Henry’s smokebox and Attached it to onto The black 5, As we know that he does have a smokebox door, And they are The same size

[@BalticoYT]

I'm personally not a fan of the Greenly theory. I wouldn't think Greenly's designs would be stored in Doncaster. Doncaster doesn't have a use for them, and I think he'd be storing them in his home, Bassett-Lowke, or, (if it existed at the time) Greenly Engineering Models, his company, which was based in Hounslow. And besides, I'm pretty sure that the rival engineer or thief would take the time during the few weeks laying low to look over the designs and see "15in. Gauge" or how the measurements would be hilariously small for a standard gauge engine and realize that he messed up, and there would be no Henry. I mean, they can't be THAT stupid, now. I like to think that Henry was based on a (fictional) Gresley 4-6-0 design during the same time the A1s were being thought of. Gresley tried the idea of a sloped firebox on a 4-6-0, for smaller express engines, but as the drawings came in, the firebox was deemed far too small for such an engine, as it had to fit between the rear driving wheels. The drawings were shelved, and Gresley focused on the 4-6-2 instead. As for rebuilding, Henry's wheels, outside cylinders, and smokebox were kept, and most everything else was changed.

[@ScrapyardStudios]

They were stored there because they were discussing ideas for a new engine, ether on Gresley or Greenly’s side. After all, A lot of Henry’s designs were based off of Nigel’s

[@bobzillarbt8062]

I wonder why Henry didn’t have a trailing truck under the cab like Gordon and the blueprints any one else wonder that or just me?

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Illustration Inconsistencies

[@krzystf764]

Just realise that bo en my time is playing On the replacement section.

[@cesarwastaken]

There isn’t Two Henrys. Henry was standardized to be a Black 5. The Unlucky Tug made a Video on it, explaining the logic.

[@Gameboy_1992]

Well, if i were to theorise about this '2 Henrys' thing, Is that Henry 1 was repaired, but Sold off to someone else (Unknown), but H1 Only had his Smokebox Salvaged, and put onto H2, Which would not have a Face. H1 would get H2's Smokebox, and gets sold off. Now this could be just a differently worded 'Replacement' theory, But here, instead of Henry 1 getting scrapped, Only his Smokebox gets salvaged and put onto H2, and H1 gets fixed and sold to someone else who dose not know better.

[@brothercomedy1303]

For myself, Henry is the same just with a new boiler and firebox

[@purpleish.v]

I always just though they just made a new engine and put henrys smokebox door on it.

[@raymondnash57]

They used the sme Henry model but changed it in the tv show

[@balancedbreakfastboy6381]

OR they scrapped a black 5 and rebuilt henry

[@russslagel514]

I heard Hatt had a gambling problem.

[@XYZ_is_taken]

i have three different answers that correspond to Unlucky Tugs three timelines. RWS answer: Henry was replaced, the difference in his designs are just too different for me to consider henry 1 and 2 to be the same TVS (model era): Henry had minor differences in shape, meaning it makes sense that it was a rebuild. TVS (CGI): Henry never had an old shape, Henry didn’t have an old shape in either BMM or TAB, so he wasn’t rebuilt, however as unlucky tug said henry probably still had the accident as in Thomas and the royal engine Thomas said “Maybe this is crewe, Where Henry went to be repaired.” meaning he still had the accident, just it was not as severe as it was in the other timelines.

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Bit of an unnecessary comment but cheers anyway

[@allisonkrueger8330]

9:07 lol the text in the bottom right corner 😂😂

[@Dustinthemaroon9Flocomotive]

I thought Henry was a mix between a lner A1 and a C1 Atlantic but the small firebox version and if you didn't know there where two version of the C1 Atlantics the small firebox one's and the big firebox one's the small firebox one's where the first as like Henry was they had steaming issues but after they replace the ones that had small firebox and gave them the big firebox

[@pokemontrainermichael5551]

i saw a vid that they kept the wheels , replaced the rods and stuff , kept the smoke stack and face and put a black 5 boiler on

[@ScrapyardStudios]

It’s called a funnel, buddy

[@pokemontrainermichael5551]

@@ScrapyardStudios ik

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

The simplest answer is just to take Awdry's word as the original author; there were two Henries. Why does 2 remember 1's life? Because. ostensibly, they function as the same engine narratively. Anything beyond that comes down to headcanons and speculation when we try to make sense of something with far more thought than Awdry himself had put into the core concept - which isn't a bad thing, but really there is no grand mystery if you just factor in the original author's words. For example, a similar headcanon you can come up with is that an engine's personality, etc, is effectively a manifestation of many factors including their crew, performance and usage. In that regard Henry II is the same as Henry I for sharing two of those factors, and is simply much happier as a result of improved performance. Being the "same engine" it matters little if there is one or two. You could even support the general idea of this by looking at twin engines like Bill and Ben and Donald and Douglas, who effectively have near-identical personalities. Ultimately the only thing that might humble an engine's personality is experience (as with Diesel). And speaking of Diesel; it would stand to reason that, by the reasoning proposed, nearly every Class 08 has a near-identical personality, if not name. Many would be humbled by their eventual obsolescence but others would remain proud for staying in industrial use to this day.

[@paulblichmann2791]

So Henry I had insufficient firebox...but Henry II had no trailing wheels, limiting the width of the firebox, so in reality it was even smaller.

[@hugothomas1199]

I think Henry is a RH&DR engine ok hear my theory henry was built like after the 20’s late Early 30’s so No.1 and No.2 Green goddess and northern chef so Henry had no steam because he’s upscaled No.1 green goddess so After the flying kipper some parts where reused I’m combining 2 Theory’s into 1 so some parts where reused that’s my take on this

[@Poltard]

So, henry the first and henry the second…. hmmmh…

[@eliotreader8220]

I have worked on steam engines too

[@ketelieappolon3617]

I personally think theroy 2 is the best

[@yotemotivo]

Mayeby he was rebuilt only with smokebox

[@richiem86]

Something I've never noticed dispite having a full set (well full set in the early 1990's) of the railway series books since I was a young boy, is that Henry appears to have gained a trailing axle post kipper calamity.... (pause at 4:05) I know there's far to much opposing this theory, if it wasn't for this outside valve gear I'd be inclined to say that maybe.... maybe, Henrys origin story could in some alternate universe/ if you squint abit (be a tweaked version of the GWRs' solitary Pacific built in 1909 111 'Great Bear' which was in 1924 rebuilt into a 4-6-0 (due to poor steaming and low than anticipated(?) tractive effort)... oh wait... that's a Dalby illustration isn't it... maybe not.... , (oh James I think is an Irish DSER class K2 )

[@ScrapyardStudios]

James looks nothing like 461

[@thatonecaledonian812]

My idea is two bodies one sprit

[@jaanshersaeed4541]

I’m pretty sure when rebuilding Henry they would’ve at least kept the smokebox (where his face is) but still removed certain stuff that got replaced like the boiler firebox tender etc. Here’s another question: How did Sir Topham Hatt come across the thief who sold Henry to him? He was looking for an engine from the GCR, so couldn’t he have gone there and if not, was he assuming someone else had an engine from them to sell? Or was the guy who sold Henry at some place on the GCR?

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Hatt likely took the offer without a second thought because, as mentioned in the video, he was desperate at the time. Also it wasn’t not specifically an engine from the GCR. Again, like I said, Wilbert just writes “an Atlantic”

[@jaanshersaeed4541]

@@ScrapyardStudios Henry’s page on the TTTE Wikia does say Sir Topham Hatt wanted a GCR Robinson Atlantic (a 8B)

[@carbonadox5730]

Were Gresley and Greenley actually friends?

[@therustyfox420]

Would it be dumb if I called Henry's old shape a "white elephant class"? I just had that weird idea

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Kinda

[@therustyfox420]

@@ScrapyardStudios yeah thought so

[@2KXMKR]

I'm sorry, but for me Henry will always be that weird second cousin with the twitchy eye. I have no idea where anyone got the idea that Henry 2 is a Stanier Black 5. Simply comparing the two side-by-side will show that to be nothing but untrue. The two share no similarities whatsoever, other than a new second 'dome' on top of the boiler, which I have no idea what it actually does. The Black 5 does have this 'dome' but it's situated mere inches away from the steam dome, whereas Henry 2's is feet away as his steam dome is incorrectly positioned way too far back. His new smokebox is also far too small to resemble a Black 5, which had a massive smoke box making up about a third of the overall engine. Henry 2 also retains his perfectly straight boiler, same diameter front and back, whereas the Black 5 has a sloped boiler which narrows toward the smokebox. Henry 2 also retains his boxy main frame with sharp right angles toward his buffers and under the cab, which is also exactly the same as his original shape with the exception of modified front windows to allow for his new firebox. Black 5's have curved main frames in the two places where Henry's are angular. Henry 2 does gain some new steam exhausts to each side of his smokebox, but these too are incorrect if he's supposed to be a Black 5 as they are boxed in, as if streamlined, similar to an A1 Pacific. Black 5 has simple pipes. Henry also retains the exact same coupling rod, valve gear and cylinder layout between his two forms, neither of which resemble a Black 5. His wheel arrangement is also exactly the same as before, meaning he most likely retained his original chassis. There's probably more finer details but that'd just be nitpicking. To sum up I think Henry's transformation is a lot simpler than people make out. He's based on a failed experimental design that wasn't fit for purpose. After his rebuild the only thing they did was fit a new firebox to his existing boiler and some extra steam parts to go with it. He retained his overall shape; boiler, wheels, main frame, cylinders, etc. He's quite simply an updated version of his original self. If anything they simply chose to update his flawed design to make him work. He's a Henry class. Utterly unique. One thing that always bothered me was the lack of a bogie under his footplate. Again, another glaring difference between Henry and a Black 5. The Black 5's rear driving wheel sits directly under the firebox. Henry's wheel is far too forward. With that much overhang at the rear he should absolutely have a bogie to support that weight. That could actually explain his strange large tender. Instead of retrofitting a rear bogie, they could have designed his tender to be extra large and heavy to counter the weight. That would explain why Henry has such an unusually large tender. It actually physically supports his rear end. Because they were only interested in making him steam properly, they just ignored the missing bogie and kept his supporting tender. And to hammer in the final nail: Hornby did actually release a Black 5 Henry which pretty much proves that Henry is in no way, shape, or form a Black 5. Product code R9292.

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Sounds a bit redpilled ngl

[@joshuaW5621]

What does it mean by since 1922?

[@ScrapyardStudios]

The year Henry was bought & likely completed

[@danthebluetank6636]

My question is…how did the Welsh Coal exactly work and why Welsh coal specifically? I’m talking from a science point of view. At some point in the RWS, sir Topham bought coal from the mainland but it didn’t work well with the engines at all (Out Of Puff). I did some research about different types of coal, and there’s many types. Depending on the area you live in, the coal from that area would be used, and to burn it properly, depending on the quality so there would be certain designs for a firebox to handle it. Perhaps Henry’s firebox was also built to burn a certain type wether the firebox be small or large. Henry probably needed a cleanish type of coal since his firebox couldn’t handle it and he was stuffed up? I Know there’s a lot of holes in this theory, and does sound far-fetched This wasn’t really worded correctly and that’s because I wanted to get this out as soon as possible

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Welsh coal is high quality

[@danthebluetank6636]

I just hope you understand what I’m trying to say cause my theory (if it’s even a theory, more like a question) sounds stupid lol

[@russellgxy2905]

It's composition is different from normal coal, in fact I think Welsh Coal might actually be anthracite or some form of anthracite while most other coal is bituminous. Welsh Coal gives off a lot heat compared to the same amount of regular coal. This means Henry could make enough steam with his smaller (relatively) firebox on this coal. Inversely, this is why it's a common attage not to use anything other than Welsh Coal on a Great Western engine. Since the GWR had access to so much Welsh Coal, they designed their steam engines around it. But since they're built to use higher quality stuff, they don't steam as well on "normal" coal, and anything poor quality is just asking for a bad time

[@ScrapyardStudios]

I forgot about that fact about GW engines, actually. Thanks for bringing it up

[@paulblichmann2791]

BTU per ton/cubic foot/shovel scoop...or maybe more critically, BTU per hour.

[@geoffreymccullough5670]

Well sir Topham Hatt was an engineer right?

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Yes he was

[@eliotreader8220]

@@ScrapyardStudios I understand he was a time served locomotive engineer having worked at Swindon. I understand that Wilbert was a big GWR fan

[@balancedbreakfastboy6381]

Hatt had a solution kill henry and buy a blac- I MEAN he had an accident... yeah.....

[@paulblichmann2791]

Henry's a joke...so it's actually appropriate his story also makes no sense.

[@balancedbreakfastboy6381]

This is click bait there is no white elephants

[@ScrapyardStudios]

Ya got me 🙌

[@balancedbreakfastboy6381]

@@ScrapyardStudios there’s only white people

[@Altoclarinets]

This is a good video contentwise but please work on your sound mixing and volume leveling, the constant skipping between YELLING IN MY EAR and b a r e l y a u d i b l e makes it almost unwatchable

[@ScrapyardStudios]

My sound mixing is fine. I just have a tendency to talk at a high volume. I do apologise

[@paulblichmann2791]

Not true...very consistent medium-loud voice. Not crispy/peaking either.

[@Altoclarinets]

@@paulblichmann2791 The contributions from the video call have the volume at a much different level than the spoken narration on the rest of the video.

[@ScrapyardStudios]

That’s on their audio, tbf. I will keep that in mind next time