Underhand golf swing- compression and tension

[@garre71]

But I have no clue how to do the backswing. I get what you want with that bottle you lifted but I need to see it with two hands and then how to come down to that below the elbow position in full speed..do you drop it there or do you do that splay thing out to get there?

[@GeofClark]

Phenomenal Thank you for your time and efforts. It is all very much appreciated.

[@DennyForrest-pk4kh]

I actually changed my chipping and pitching to having the low clubhead. No more fat shots. I used to pick it up like you said and go ‘down’. Please post the cone video again because that shape now make total sense. Thanks FD!

[@RMPGolf]

Impressive collection of videos! Quickie Q about this video. When clubhead working up from below pitch point wouldn't tension be on bottom of shaft and compression on top. Thanks Frozen, later. RR.

[@garre71]

Keep the videos coming. I am getting closer

[@JerryCappuccino]

Great info! Thanks for the videos.

[@andygaspare6207]

I feel like my eyes like to see overhand. How does all this work differently if your swing is more like Rory’s. I’m a good player +3 but can get really lost some days just cuz I don’t know where to look

[@frozendivots1564]

@@andygaspare6207 its all in spatial processing, relative to frame. The more ‘overhand’ you go the more you need to see the angled frame. If you are a righty do you see the left eye higher than right eye frame? Because if you do, you will move to that frame, rather than horizontal. The result is staying in spine tilt without thinking about it. If you ‘see’ and react to that visual, all the spine tilts will happen. When we stand up and look at something, it goes to the middle of our frame. Now look at it from a golf stance to the side in an angled frame. That ‘picture’ is tilted and your movements to it will also be ‘angled’ Diagonal vs Horizontal Underhand is more horizontal, overhand is more diagonal, in golf.

[@andygaspare6207]

@@frozendivots1564 I guess I’m confused what you mean by frame

[@frozendivots1564]

@@andygaspare6207 the visual framing you see and move to. Angled framing is diagonal, your eyes aren’t horizontal in that frame.

[@garre71]

I tried chipping like that now. Works really well

[@frozendivots1564]

@@garre71 it does. I call it playing leap frog. Meaning the clubhead leaps up and comes down after the ball. Unlike trying to always go down at the ball. Just get used to 20-30 yard shots then go a little harder, etc. You’ll be surprised how that clubhead reacts and how far you can hit it. For example, in a half 7 iron shot, going up to waist height, I’ll hit it maybe 150-160. But in that swing the clubhead travels further than a normal ‘clubhead down’ path. It’s going up and around and has a few feet more of travel, even though my hands only go to waist height. Now add the speed from above the waist INTO that and that’s when you get that 7iron to 200+. Why? Because you are also adding more feet of travel to the whole motion.

[@frozendivots1564]

@@mmjjg-g3g for the most part. The trick is to think of it as a blended motion. There may be 2-3 ‘positions’ but it’s too fast to think of them. I splay into it, but think of it as one motion.

[@frozendivots1564]

@@mmjjg-g3g either way. For me the splay fires the clubhead and I feel like I get on top of the shaft and compress. It doesn’t feel like the clubhead goes ‘away’, it feels like I get onto the club. But that’s the advantage of the clubhead working UP from under the elbow. You can ‘lean’ on it. It’s coming back up to the pitch joint, so compress it down.

[@garre71]

​@@frozendivots1564The half shots is really good. But from there to full swing i do not now what to do..😂 The hole backswing really..

[@frozendivots1564]

@@garre71 send me a video if you can

[@NathanMiller-p3o]

Hey Frozen Divots do you by chance give lessons

[@frozendivots1564]

@@NathanMiller-p3o you can send me a video at [e-mail] I dont charge but will let you know what I see and what to do

[@cdunne1620]

A crow bar is a typical lever. The lever’s fulcrum is the corner of the crow bar. The handle is the long end, the head the short end. The ground being fixed allows us to lever against it and gain the mechanical advantage by pulling on the long end of the crow bar. Now I have noticed that a golf club is like a crow bar in that there is a heavy end and a light end which positions the fulcrum nearer to the head. The linear momentum of the whole system will be maintained according to conservation of momentum (Newtons Laws) so will require external force to change it (us exerting force on the grip) The linear momentum of the club plays the part of the fixed ground because when you pull on the handle the heavy end (head) will experience a torque around the fulcrum which is the compression being spoken about in the video ( in my opinion). If there was no linear momentum then there would be nothing to lever against (no ground) and no levering effect. The linear momentum is the stage (pre-condition) upon which the leverage (torque) puts on a show (compression), sorry 😳 Mr FrozenDivots (I don’t know your name) presumably has figured out an action that allows us to take full advantage of this crow bar levering effect in mid air. I have done this on a more basic level where I drop the club down linearly towards the ball and then pull hard and upwards on the handle coming in to impact. I get a ball contact where I can actually hear the ball spinning, like a hissing sound. The nearest analogy I can come up with is a crow bar. I wonder am I close to the KZbinr’s concept, probably not. Words are not good for this. A picture is worth a thousand words 😢

[@frozendivots1564]

@@cdunne1620 the human body is a lever system with floating, not fixed, fulcrums. In earlier videos I used a rope as an example because that’s a continuous lever, as in a moving fulcrum. In other words, what proceeds becomes the fulcrum. People get stuck thinking of class levers as used in tools, etc, but the human body is a continuous lever, with non-fixed fulcrums. Not all fulcrums are fixed. So to take advantage of the arm, which is where we are at so far, you need to build in torque cancelations and open the pitch lever when the clubhead gets below it. Now you can compress, drag, turn, etc. You have a humerus that transfers force, and moves into a torque cancelling position and becomes the fulcrum for what’s ahead of it. We are a compression and tension network and the club is no different. So we want that clubhead going UP so we have more to work with. Now you can recruit mass and bend that club in half, or try to.

[@cdunne1620]

A rope is only a continuous lever in combination with a pulley which acts as a fulcrum. In the golf swing can you identify the rope and the pulleys?

[@frozendivots1564]

@@cdunne1620 it’s a continuous lever if you use it in any way. Output becomes input.

[@cugreg31]

Can't unsee 5:24 and 5:35.