Don't Lift Your Arms In The Backswing

Don't Lift Your Arms In The Backswing. In this video TJ and Riley take a deep dive into how to properly load the arms in the backswing without lifting them. Understanding how to use your spiral lines in your body is essential in creating a great takeaway.
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[@elitegolfschools]

Maybe one of our most important concepts to date… the arms hit LEVEL!! Ask questions, we’ll answer 🙏

[@Thejoseylife]

You’ve changed my entire concept of and approach to the swing - thank you!

[@ljfoster55]

My froggin head just exploded! I have worked so hard trying to get rid of my excesses side bend in forward swing this will fix it! No reason to crunch right side through impact- force is going forward not down… correct? Thanks for great content

[@GreenBottles808]

🤯🤯🤯

[@claysmith7796]

@@ljfoster55you will have side bend, I guess for you, you just won’t have to force it

[@ConnorMay317]

working on this thought…how do I get the path less left lol

[@vegardkarlsen9609]

Scary! Whenever we think we have acquired some understanding of what is (only!?) the golfswing, you surprise us past belief. Incredible to get this stuff for free here on KZbin, also past belief. Thank You so much! 👋👋👋

[@elitegolfschools]

Means a lot man, thank you 🙏

[@LeeOnTheTee]

Guys! I absolutely love this channel and the level of detail you go into in your videos. What I would like to put out there as a bigger/stiffer (ex sports and now age against me) player is, whilst it’s great and important that you demonstrate how these feels are mapped with an elite golfer, it does sometimes make it hard to relate when these moves seemingly come easy to a lighter, more agile player. It would be great to see the journey of someone of a more ‘average’ level of golf go through these sequences and then demonstrate tangible results. Not a hater and love the content. Just think it would appeal to the masses if we feel we can also do these rapid changes without being a D1 golfer 😊

[@elitegolfschools]

Love the idea and I think you’re really going to like what we have in store. Building out a model that will help a vast array of players ❤❤❤

[@SuperMarioc12]

How far away is the model from done? When do u plan on releasing it and how?

[@TheGHINger]

This just unlocked an entirely new understanding of the swing for me. Have always wondered why folks look so good swinging a baseball bat or an axe and look silly with a club. This is why. Truly elite content. My son is 4 months old but you had better believe I’ve saved this video for him! Thanks as always, gents.

[@elitegolfschools]

Let’s go!! Love to hear it

[@stevecampbell5928]

I came across this video because of the title and was blown away with this information. I have always heard to raise your arms in the backswing for the 25 years I have been playing bad golf. The next day I stepped out into the field beside my house to try this swing technique out. I could only use a Gap & PW because of the length of the field. After working slowly with this swing technique to begin with, I hit the 1st ball with about 60% effort 100 Yds straight to my target. As I worked up to 80% & 100% swings, I was blown away at how effortless this swing was and how much more accurate the ball flight was. So the next day I had to get to the driving range and see how this worked with full swings for all of my clubs. I spent 2 hours on the driving range and I found out that this swing technique works great with all of my clubs. I was striking the balls with less effort and getting 10 - 20 yards more distance with each club. And most all of the shots were landing so close to my target. My driver shots were 20 yards longer and much more straighter. I couldn't believe the results I was getting. I will be heading to the course in a few days to try this out. I am a mid handi-capper with a driver swing speed around 95, so I'm always trying to improve my game. This swing technique could really be what I needed!

[@TAPnRACK_SEZ]

Don’t think so much. Swing the club around your body. The arms go up naturally. Stop thinking.

[@elitegolfschools]

How do you make improvement in patterns by not thinking? 🤔

[@TAPnRACK_SEZ]

@@elitegolfschools repetitive motion

[@elitegolfschools]

@@TAPnRACK_SEZ what if your repetitive motion doesn’t allow for good/adequate shots to be hit?

[@TAPnRACK_SEZ]

@@elitegolfschools agree 100. Don’t just make some nonsense swing with no idea of how the golf swing works. But when it’s fluid , and provides some consistent results…swing swing swing

[@elitegolfschools]

@@TAPnRACK_SEZ 💯💯💯

[@mitchgrossbach1432]

Another great vid. Question....the drop sounds like it occurs as the backswing is over (is that technically P5?)...are you dropping and then staying level until AFTER the hit before you extend back up? I presume if you try to push up after dropping while hitting or as hitting then unless you time it perfectly you wind up either topping or just having a form of early extension resulting in a fat/chunk before the ball, depending on when you're extending? Meaning, it seems as if you're getting to the top of the backswing, dropping and as you say swinging like an Axe hit into a tree but remaining in that position until you're through the ball where the body can then extend up. Is this correct?

[@elitegolfschools]

@@mitchgrossbach1432 extension happens because of rotation through the spiral. That rotation will tow the player to finish and extend them if driven effectively

[@rossmasters3281]

Thoughts on someone trying this with a longer wingspan than height? Always been told my swing has to be more verticle because of this. I'm also 5 foot 6 lol

[@elitegolfschools]

@@rossmasters3281 all about the right recipe for all folks! ❤️❤️❤️

[@robertlozano6546]

Could you feel like your throwing a club backward and/or forward ? Great information.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@robertlozano6546 can definitely sense that! Would love players to feel that they’re hitting the ball like they would swing an ax 🙏

[@jonq8714]

This is a radical change of intent for me... but it makes total sense. I struggle with the flipping and verticality... this is wild.

[@elitegolfschools]

Right on man! Keep us posted if you implement these ideas! ❤️

[@mikecollins9321]

way too much detail,video could have benn two minutes

[@elitegolfschools]

@@mikecollins9321 deep dive in this vid for sure! If you have q’s definitely ask, would love to answer 🙏🙏

[@eketelon]

Guys, I will admit, this was a little difficult to follow at first but when he motioned to swing the club back towards the camera!!! LIGHT BULB MOMENT! Thanks a mil!!

[@elitegolfschools]

Let’s go!

[@genemckeel1432]

Thanks for making golf instruction so god damned confusing.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@genemckeel1432 a simple map is usually the best! Sounds like you’ve got one 👍 hit them well Gene! ❤️❤️

[@grahamtelfer1036]

Note your humble opinion. However, I disagree. Jack Nicklaus, Lee Trevino and countless other major champions swung their arms upwards. Look at the best LPGA players, most of them swing the club up and let gravity drop the club into the slot. They hit the ball further than 99% of amateur male golfers.

[@elitegolfschools]

No one is doubting that the arms do swing upwards, what we are doubting is the intent to swing them upwards 🙏 lots of ways to do it though!

[@jaywatson9493]

I think this guy just scimmed through the video. Horizontal forces send club up, just like sending my kid up in a swing set. Very well explained. Bravo!

[@elitegolfschools]

@@jaywatson9493 thanks so much man! Send those forces in the right direction 🙏❤️

[@gregbrightman6587]

Riley....would you sugggest flatter lies to use on irons ??

[@elitegolfschools]

Absolutely!! Most of our players have clubs that are flat relative to what manufacturers’ neutral is

[@ohKujo]

god I wish I could see you one time. I'm a scratch golfer with probably one of the worst swings you have seen. been trying to catch my dream for a while and I'm just not consistent enough because of my bad mechanics. don't really have any teachers around here unless they give you a quick fix and I'm smart enough I can quick fix my own swing. sadly though you can't go shoot -7, E and expect to qualify.

[@elitegolfschools]

Dude, love your type of player. Quirks in the swing are a must. Everyone has them and they make them who they are. We’d love to work with you as well, if you’re ever in town or if you’re down for a virtual session let us know and we can get cracking!

[@golfweed9947]

Just FYI, your videos , apparently, aren't tagged as "Golf Swing" for KZbin. When I open KZbin there are selections at the top: Music, Comedy, Golf Swing, etc... If Yoone of your videos is displayed when I open KZbin, it disappears if I click "Golf Swing". Click "Golf Swing" and Elite Golf School videos are never displayed. Just a heads-up, maybe there's something you can do to change this. Your probably missing a lot of views. Good luck, and keep the Elite instruction coming. Thanks

[@elitegolfschools]

Great advice! Very much appreciate this!!!

[@musestarlight1]

Wtf is he talking about geometry?

[@elitegolfschools]

Where the blue is moving is space 🙏

[@robertlozano6546]

If you focus on the horizontal force in back swing. When do you feel the top of swing to start transition? Thx

[@elitegolfschools]

@@robertlozano6546 as the club head rises above the hands totally fine to start to drop and move into transition at that point 🙏

[@robertlozano6546]

@@elitegolfschools ... and "chill" at the top. Thank you.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@robertlozano6546 yeah baby!

[@laogx4026]

You guys are incredible. Wow… I’m working on some more rotational or horizontal force swings but I’m a jumper for sure, how do you hit draws with this pattern? Would be a great video explaining only your system and cuts or draws and not comparing to vertical extension patterns because it starts to muddy the water for us youtubers i think lol but anyway thank you guys so so much! You are absolutely the best!

[@slytown]

As a junior I was always told to lift the arms above the plane in order to generate a 2-plane swing. My ball striking got so much better when I just focused on letting the arms ride the turn.

[@elitegolfschools]

That is the truth! Somehow, someday the player must feel the interaction between the body and the arms 🙏

[@imaxfli]

Gotta make these 5 minutes, not14. Easy to do.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@imaxfli we are actually going to do both! Definitely want to help people based on different learning preferences 🙏🙏

[@desano1975]

Lie down and take a nap. Your lucky you got this much gold for free. God you make the internets bad son.

[@nemosdaddy6917]

So how does compressing the ball come into play then?🏌️🤔

[@elitegolfschools]

No glancing blows, only direct hits. You don’t need to hit down to compress it 🙏

[@bradtolson8780]

that's a lot to think of during a golf swing

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes! Definitely training mode but want this to translate to the sensory over the course of time ❤️❤️

[@marvinbluedorn3321]

As an engineer, this is the swing content I'm looking for! Understandable for me. I struggle with vertical elevation a lot as a new golfer, and I have actually hit a few balls by lowering my hips and rotating through properly completely by accident. And when I did, I felt exactly what you described in this video. Glad to have learned that I was on the correct path. Now I have something to aim for.

[@김재호-n8o]

Now I understand, not to lift up but swing back image. But I have a detailed question. Can u give a optimal hand level of active swing back in clock system? More and more active back swing like to the 10 o’clock hand level will give me more power but it will ruin my consistency. I guess active back swing thought to 8 o’clock level is fine. What is your best suggestion. Thank you.😂(I asked u this with hand level because it is easiest way to describe active swing back level. I do swing with your chest engine system😅)

[@elitegolfschools]

It will definitely depend on the amount of energy… take a look at energy of a wedge compared to driver. They look fairly different from one another 👍

[@김재호-n8o]

@@elitegolfschools thank you so much

[@김재호-n8o]

I saw your video again, maybe 9 o’clock for wedges and irons, for the driver more is allowed!

[@elitegolfschools]

@@김재호-n8o great map!

[@s3gts]

Swing Level, Sit Down. ❤

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes sir!

[@franksampson477]

Sorry about nitpicking, but actually, swings have a circular motion so to accelerate them you don't push horizontally, you push down. To get them started, you pull them back and then release.

[@elitegolfschools]

Yep, that’s some cool force stuff for sure

[@Tall-Cool-Drink]

Good instruction, but too much discussion back and forth. More discussion means more confusion.

[@elitegolfschools]

We try to have a mix of shorter and longer form discussions on here. Trying to provide the right mix for various learning styles 🙏 hope you hit them well!

[@ljfoster55]

Amount of discussion was needed to change golfers perspectives on swing… not hating on anyone but it was a great conversation !

[@elitegolfschools]

@@ljfoster55 thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed!

[@nikekido23]

So is the backswing vertical force and the downswing is my abduction

[@elitegolfschools]

Yep ❤

[@YoshNathavutS]

love all your videos , i try to find how you control your impact with the wrist . please do one video with this. I watched TJ hold bowed wrist from the start of downswing until impact. Is this correct? do you release to cup after impact , at impact in the neutral? or bowed still? thanks so much for your lessons

[@elitegolfschools]

I think watching our waggle video and our hand action video will help a bunch 🙏

[@KellyGerling]

It would be helpful to see each of you, swinging the way you’re instructing us viewers to swing from a down-the-line view and a face-on view in real speed and in slow motion. We would see more of the swing you’re demonstrating and talking about and so it would be easier to emulate it through mirroring.

[@elitegolfschools]

Thanks for the input 👍

[@KellyGerling]

You are most welcome.

[@scottschenk1759]

I don’t know if it’s because I’m a new dad of 2 girls, but this might be the best analogy and conceptual explanation of swing forces I’ve ever heard. Love the content fellas, thank you!

[@elitegolfschools]

Thanks so much man!! Means a lot

[@mariners_platter]

How similar is tee ball to hitting a driver with a very tall tee? If 3-year old kids can play tee ball, I think of golf as, we are much taller, and now the tee is much shorter.

[@bricewomack4797]

This really made me see the swing in completely different way. Totally cleaned up my inside take away. And simplified my thoughts. I had one question. It seems like now when things are good, it’s great. But every once in a while I’ll get shanks. With these concepts what do I need to focus on more to not shank it?

[@elitegolfschools]

Take a look at our create space video! This will clean up those excessive heel shots 😉

[@SL0409]

For the life if me i cant get anywhere near this backswing position 😭 At the top of my backswing my hands are lower than my pecs

[@dwintablet]

Another elite video. It took me so long to understand to transition. I used to pull down my arm and swung down. It’s a level hit after you drop, level and horizontal turn

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes! 💡

[@jaywatson9493]

This taught me as well. I think a lot of frustration golfers have trying to figure the Elite swing maps are loading heavy in backswing. I found if I loaded heavy it was automatically gonna be a pull down on downswing. Where is that early load suppose to go at the top? It has to be no load backswing then load on downswing. I went from a 5-7 handicap to whipping some serious ass.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@jaywatson9493 keep on whooping that 🍑 dawg!!

[@dogloverjb6873]

ah...but the rotational swing is sooo hard on the body. So many elite players getting injured with this. As a senior, I would end up with too many injuries. I'll take the arm swing anyday.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@dogloverjb6873 ahhh but you be wrong 😉

[@weldon9254]

I started lifting my arms and it changed everything I was overturning and getting so tense in the backswing I had no feel coming down.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@weldon9254 definitely interesting to hear how each individual needs to map out their swing to hit them well! Keep on flushing!! ❤️

[@m3toz4]

My thinking is using the body to swing the whole arms and club thru the ball to the target and it will automatically made you get lower and shift left to swing the arms and club because the arms are heavy and you will need to lower and pushing up to deliver them without thinking

[@elitegolfschools]

Fantastic!!

[@themanchannel6074]

Elite golf school. Full of gimmicks and one liners. Feel like you’re swinging a sledge hammer and then adjust to the ground? Have fun with the chunks.

[@elitegolfschools]

Swing it any way you would like! And I hope you hit them great!! ❤️🙏

[@chuckross8839]

Elite golf , (Shoes) I think is a big subject to play better golf over the whole swinging of the body through the feet. I personally think golf shoes have way too much foam " cushion " in there shoes and way to much structure and not enough mobility . Almost like wearing a cast on your feet. What is your take ? Do you have any suggestions top 5 you prefer ? Or do you feel the complete opposite ? I lean toward bit of more minimalists for the best golf shoes . Cheers

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes, they do play a role for sure. To what extent I’m not too certain. And we definitely love our G/Fore’s and also would recommend TrueLinks 👍

[@dominicverschuure9437]

Complicated but Very interesting concept. Came across this after a poor round after backswing rotation issues. Tried this backwards force motion at home and seemed to unlock the beast with my foam balls. By arms & body moving more in the upward pressure, my body is struggling to move without tension in muscle & hips. Moving level force back & forward, I feel lot more loose on backswing & quicker speed on the downswing.

[@elitegolfschools]

Love that! Super exciting gains!! All about those maps in our minds 🗺️

[@holtzeee7364]

Mind blown! Here is a question. If one map is swing down and body moves opposite direction to counter it (down) when you think of forward swing does body move back / away from target? Just curious all the feels … thanks!

[@elitegolfschools]

In some regards yes, and you’ll see that from larger energy swings (driver). We discuss this in our driver video discussing the three main forces in the golf swing as well as our driver vs wedge swing video 🙏❤️

[@joeola72]

You are so awesome 🤜🤛 But one question, and it's more of a general question. How do you create speed and a free float during the swing? I feel so much tension in my body during the swing and therefore start to work with the whole body (read hips)

[@joe59golfer]

Justin Thomas is a vertical player?? Interesting.

[@elitegolfschools]

Yep!

[@dsc-nr5zy]

But what about the vertical drop and horizontal tug?

[@Golfiseasy]

My last comment may have sounded like I don't agree with the way you are saying to swing, but I actually agree with you here. I have been working on this same thing in my own swing. I just hear some of these comments made in videos sometimes, and the way it is said just isn't actually right, but you are right. If you are swinging down, you have to be careful not to hit the ground in the down swing.

[@elitegolfschools]

Loads of ways to move. We human, can do it any way you like… and let’s not forget the definition of a good golf swing; simply the command of the ball 👍

[@dhirendrakumarlimbu4976]

good for beginners like me! but not long tearm solution

[@cdunne1620]

.. looking at John Rahm from this perspective he is obviously a horizontal force player, it’s so obvious now, great insights, it’s just math haha, thanks

[@elitegolfschools]

Math baby 🤓

[@Zach_Routhier]

"Okay.... Map" "Map" Haha you guys are awesome

[@Golfiseasy]

Actually, I push kids in swings all the time. You do start out pushing forward like you said, but if they want to go higher, you are actually pulling them down. The swing swings up towards your head. You grab it and pull down, and that makes the swing go higher.

[@elitegolfschools]

Exactly!!!!!!!

[@staceylarese7145]

Great video… question… we’ve learned in this video the swing is not vertical… but is it truly horizontal? Is it not a combination of both ( normal / perpendicular ) to the plane your spine sets in the drop?

[@elitegolfschools]

The hit will be perpendicular to the spine for hitters. The more a player drops the more this happens in the swing

[@jbw749]

What a great explanation of the cause and effect of both patterns.

[@elitegolfschools]

Fantastic! Glad you enjoyed! 🙏🙏🙏

[@3putt548]

Fascinating. This is one of those videos I’ll need to save and watch a few times to really understand completely. Understanding and executing are two different things. It will take some practice and I like the slow motion training. Does your ball position change at all? I’m thinking not but think I should ask anyhow.

[@elitegolfschools]

Right on! And ball position change throughout the bag or our preference in ball position?

[@rayrapp8929]

A really interesting take on the so-called squat move advocated by many top golf coaches. However, your student is clearly a very accomplished golfer who was able to understand the concept and moreover, put it into practice remarkably quickly. How would a 10-18 handicapper fare I wonder?

[@elitegolfschools]

The “student” here… one of the reasons I am so accomplished is because I’ve been working on these concepts with Coach Riley for over a decade. The concepts apply, whether you are a beginner, intermediate, or advanced 🙏

[@mmatzee]

How Hard is the System to learn without in Person lessons? I guess Video Feedback is pretty hard cause of feel and real differences?

[@elitegolfschools]

You’d be surprised, it’s actually quite effective virtually!

[@steveperry1344]

after having my morning coffee and waking up a bit this is actually a simple concept, again thnx i got it.

[@elitegolfschools]

Fantastic! ☕️

[@nemosdaddy6917]

Same Here😂

[@elitegolfschools]

@@nemosdaddy6917 ☕️ ‼️

[@tomn5188]

When showing how to apply lateral force in the backswing you advise TJ to rotate and then move the COM (or head of the axe) laterally but in the forward swing your focus appears to be on an initial level movement of the arms (rather than the COM/axe head) and letting the body respond/support the motion. In the event that I have this right - should we focus on applying force to the COM in the forward swing as well. Seems to me that this would help the club whip through impact. ?????

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes great question! And most definitely we need to apply force in the COM of the club through the strike. Just be mindful of directionality of force when doing so ❤

[@RajKumar-zm4ll]

I understand the bqckswing but confused about the threw swing cq you explqins in lay mans terms

[@elitegolfschools]

Arms across chest. Not down 🙏

[@kyleamick4559]

Just went to the range today.. this is my swing!!! Thank you for this!! I was wondering how to get a better takeaway and rotation with what was already working well… send the club drop push trail hand pull lead hand 💥 best instruction for golf!! No more guessing!

[@elitegolfschools]

Love it! Keep us posted and keep hitting it well!! ❤️❤️

[@thomblinn4731]

He REALLY wanted...(yikes!) Please pardon my typos!

[@elitegolfschools]

lol all good man! Happens to me all the time!

[@michaelrowe6220]

Jesus. Could you make a game people are trying to play for fun…anymore complicated?!? I’m a 2 handicap, and have never in my 40 years of playing had such a cryptic conversation about “NOT doing something, by doing something”…or vice versa. Who knows. Rename your channel “How We Make Golf (which is already hard) Even Harder. And Less Fun”.

[@elitegolfschools]

Michael, if you don’t like our channel, totally cool, go watch someone else’s videos 🙏 Congrats on getting to a 2! Keep hitting them well ❤️

[@pancakelord21]

Been working with an instructor on this type of swing, but ive been having some problems with getting flippy and standing up like you talked about early on. This I think will really help me get things in the right direction more often with a lot less thinking about it over the ball. Some practice swings indicated as much. I will have to give this a shot at my range session today. Really like the forward swing thought

[@elitegolfschools]

Fantastic! Let us know how the session goes!! 🙏❤️

[@Bluedolphin53]

When you talk about shoulder flexion causing the arms to rise, does the scapula rise as well? Or does the scapula stay down in a neutral position and just the arms go up?

[@elitegolfschools]

Elevation and depression of the scap does happen to some degree but definitely prefer most players not actively perform that act 🙏

[@CharlesAlfonso-k8j]

not trying to argue...trying to learn...at the 7:48 mark as I watched in slo-mo, the player is clearly raising his arms. for me, the wrist hinge up camouflages this action a bit. and then at 11:27 mark you state the arms drop/go down..implies they went 'up' before. help! just a bit confused

[@elitegolfschools]

Great question and appreciate the approach to the question 🙏 we’re speaking more to the intention of force here. Yes the arms do go up however if that is the intention we usually see players hip and spine extend, over flex the shoulders, and excessively and actively scap elevate and retract

[@jbplunkett1]

Intention, says it all. Saved my game, thank you.

[@DirkDiggler-mb2kg]

Stop trying to be so scientific and speak in layman’s terms.. “vector” and all this crap.. Speak understandable words

[@elitegolfschools]

Brother, if you don’t like the video, watch someone else homie. Hope you hit em well ❤️🙏🙏

[@steveperry1344]

i was able to try it just doing some chipping and so far it seems quite valid. i'm now thinking of the golf action as a bit more linear and not up and down so much. like you say the swing arc and rotation kinda happen anyway. thnx for the help.

[@elitegolfschools]

Fantastic! Keep us posted on you progress please!

[@gighilton]

Good video, but questions for sure. In all swings from DL, You see arms rise above the shaft plan line if marked on video... So from that angle with 2 D camera you see a lift, or rise of the arms to the top. Would you agree? If so, then they must lower back to the shaft plane prior to impact for solid contact. It appears that you suggest to lower the body, thus the sternum, and NOT lower the arms, then the concept is to direct lateral force forward... I get that, but lowering the body is an alternate way of lowering the arms or getting the arms on the shaft plane, and to measure body lowering seems problematic. Any thoughts on this?

[@elitegolfschools]

Yep! Love those thoughts! And truly, there is going to be some amount of extension in the shoulders through the hit. It’s more the intention we are speaking to here as well as the limits to extension in the shoulders. Key is not throwing extension in shoukd re immediately in transitionary phase

[@walterclinton3813]

When this video first came out up until now I totally didn't get it. For some reason it's now a light bulb moment. Question, does this concept of force direction apply to the Driver swing?

[@walterclinton3813]

Never mind I just read thru the comments and found your answer. Crazy this is free! Really appreciate the time and effort you put into this

[@johnrodgers6049]

Arms player vs body. Arms tend to have more wrist rotation, body is more stable face (Bubba v Koepka). Btw body has more side bend. Arms less stress on the back.

[@elitegolfschools]

The stats are saying the opposite of that statement. Heavy arm players tend to balance their system with hip extension and L spine bend whereas droppers of the pelvis will experience bend higher in the spine. All within thresholds but side bend (under certain thresholds) has not shown to produce injury to players… TPI and others have done numerous studies on this. Got to gravitate to what the results are showing… 🤷‍♂️

[@cdunne1620]

This might solve most early extension problems I’d imagine🤔

[@elitegolfschools]

Fantastic!!

[@ronaldlong8213]

So on the down swing, do you feel swinging the mass around the corner, or down the line??

[@elitegolfschools]

@@ronaldlong8213 totally depends on the player 🙏🙏

[@Golfiseasy]

I do not agree with if you swing down, you have to raise up, or you hit the ground before the ball. That simply is not true. It you squat down while you swing down, then yall, you will have to raise up. But if you had room for the club in the beginning and you do not squat or unhinge you club on the way down, then you will not need to raise up to miss the ground. The club doesn't grow longer because you are swinging down.

[@elitegolfschools]

Okay, then you’ll need to stay tall in your swing if you’re extending the shoulders in the forward swing. We are simply saying it prevents dropping 👍

[@mattgordon3437]

So interesting. I love your swing analogy and your explanation of force direction. One of my favorite books of all time is 7 Habits of Highly Effective People and your reference to proper maps reminds me of Franklin Covey explaining how important it is to know where you’re headed and to have proper maps of how to get there because otherwise you can spend years just aimlessly whacking your way through the jungle without ever achieving your destination. I’m learning so much from you. Great explanations and demonstrations. And you’re obviously having fun. Way to go guys! Keep up the great work! 😊

[@elitegolfschools]

Thanks so much dude!! Appreciate the support

[@psyWAR1988]

This is awesome. I have been doing some of this naturally following your other tips, but a few questions I have is a) how much (if at all) do we want to feel like we are holding onto the face or delaying the release (maybe I mean keep stable) b) are we also swinging the center of mass the same going forward as we do the level hit, similar to how we were throwing it towards the camera in the backswing?

[@elitegolfschools]

For many it feels almost the opposite of “holding the face.” But it really does depend on the pattern in particular

[@無慈悲なコブラ]

This video helps me best ever

[@elitegolfschools]

Fantastic!! Keep us posted on your results!

[@danielmajor1015]

This is the map that i needed. Can now see why I’ve been flashing the face for a couple decades. My future back thanks you.

[@elitegolfschools]

Right on!!! So pumped for you! Keep us posted on your progress please!!!!

[@thegamingrelish9272]

Could we get a video with high handicappers having a lesson with this as the focus?

[@elitegolfschools]

Great idea!

[@thegamingrelish9272]

@@elitegolfschools I think it could really help with people like myself who struggle with early release/extension because they are throwing the club down

[@alanstolarczyk5442]

Ok,that blows my mind. Too many variables?

[@elitegolfschools]

Looking to illuminate them

[@MrMILLERW6]

AWESOME VIDEO!! Things are starting click.😊

[@elitegolfschools]

Let’s go! That’s awesome news!!

[@12piecebucket]

Niceun….when you drop how do you control depth and low point? Who would you say to watch to see it who’s the best at it?

[@elitegolfschools]

The “hitting” sensation level and across the body is how we control low point 👍

[@m3toz4]

❤ hi Coach this is coming up and clearly explain my thinking about force direction, a lot of coaches try to pull up the grip to hit the ball and it will need to time how much to go down and how much and when to go up. That will be too hard under pressure . This is gold ❤

[@elitegolfschools]

🙏 yes! Thank you!

[@Beakarge]

Guys luv your content and the way you explain things, but this was one of my favourite "shorts" , now a bit confused??? kzbin.infon6Thsb9oPtI

[@elitegolfschools]

So we’re explaining shoulder flexion, which is explained in both and even though Riley states lift in this short, you can still direct energy in the ways expressed in the long video here 🙏

[@Beakarge]

Got it, thanks for the reply@@elitegolfschools

[@elitegolfschools]

@@Beakarge of course and great question

[@hodiedung]

Real good stuff here! The only swing video I need to save.

[@elitegolfschools]

@@hodiedung right on!!! ❤️❤️

[@jayschwarz4365]

My tendency, as an older golfer is to turn through the ball with shoulders that are too flat. Your video on hub path was really helpful. But, I'm not sure how that feel meshes with this one. I would love more content aimed at applying these concepts to those of us that have body styles completely opposite to TJ!

[@elitegolfschools]

Yes, great idea 👍

[@markjoyce6772]

When you are in posture makesure your bellybutton is pointing at the ball . Focus on this and try a few swings.

[@wowbsd]

Another question… Same goes for the driver right?

[@elitegolfschools]

Yessir! Absolutely!! 💯

[@keithbroadbent8511]

The 3 step video says 2 lift your arms?

[@elitegolfschools]

@@keithbroadbent8511 shoulder flexion is what we are referring to and it’s simply about thresholds. TJ is still lifting his arms here, it’s just simply about the direction of force in the handle 👍

[@t-moneyflotown8433]

Good stuff guys!!! Where are y’all located?

[@elitegolfschools]

Thanks so much! We’re in CO, AZ, and NC 🙏

[@Bradman2623]

Another fantastic video ! Your explanation with this topic and all your videos gives us beginners and seasoned golfers great insight .. Riley , you posted a short video on the topic of squeeze cut shots . Would you recommend that movement for high handicappers like myself , or follow more of the sequencing video and incorporate this force direction motion ? So much amazing content but all can be confusing when learning the swing ! Thanks again for your generosity with your EliteGoldSchool videos !

[@elitegolfschools]

The squeeze cut feel can be helpful for a player who gets stuck and hits block draws. All depends on your pattern

[@Bradman2623]

Thanks

[@hs291267]

wow, another extremely important part to know and to try to "feel"! just great...

[@elitegolfschools]

Swing it any ole way you want brother!

[@TheGoodGadfly]

So the arms lift but you don’t lift them?

[@elitegolfschools]

Exactly 😉

[@ffkirch]

Interested to know why he’s not making the hip on the hoola hoop move to start the backswing, as demonstrated in a previous video? Thanks

[@elitegolfschools]

Hula hoop is simply lateral movement. Still love seeing that action as a preference. We are simply discussing force direction in the arms in this particular video.

[@ffkirch]

@@elitegolfschools Which move is preferred for lateral in the backswing, the pelvis move or rib sway?

[@elitegolfschools]

@@ffkirch can do it either way. The hey is shifting pressure laterally before the club begins to travel. Also, ideally, both actions happen early 🙏

[@steveperry1344]

the concept is interesting, not sure i got all of it, will watch again, thnx.

[@elitegolfschools]

Different maps for sure

[@555Trout]

I think we need better terms for "forward, backward, up, down" The reference point should be internal not external imo. For example, "forward" intention from the top is clearly not reasonable, as the club will be moving away, or backwards relative to target for some of the "forward" swing. I think we need better terminology. Possibly the virtual "spine" as the reference point? "Down" would then be parralelish to the virtual spine, and "forward" would be perpindicularish to spine. I just think we need better terms for better conceptualization /mental models.

[@elitegolfschools]

There will always be better and better ways of explaining things. As a general rule, the “hit” happening level to the ground and to the target is a pretty beneficial one for most 👍

[@CShy85]

Wtf trout

[@555Trout]

@@CShy85 Your life will go better if you get some social skill counseling.

[@warrenp8877]

Under playing pressure l couldnt get the club back far enough to add trail side throw. I just went back to my spinout low pull hook. I'm a believer but need a drill to identify when l block the back swing. Next I'll try to focus on the bounce back when the club reaches maximum height to see if that works under game pressure. If there is another drill to achieve that position I'm all ears.

[@paulwhite6367]

💡💡💡💡💡

[@elitegolfschools]

⭐️

[@thomblinn4731]

Hogan said (1940) he wanted he wanted to get the' driver parallel to the ground sooner' for a gradual incline followed by a levelish through swing before rising into the finish. I love how you qualified this point with the ax analogy. His more levelish bswing path evinced a more SUSTAINED horizontal vector --compared with your modeling--which ultimately matched up (through transition) with his LOW inside right ankle (per eversion) which is arguably THE cornerstone of his singular (ELITE) motion. It's unfortunate that GOATA so glibly pontificates as to optimal (ELITE) employment of anatomy...per their fetish of a HIGH INSIDE ANKLE. In general, the multiplanar spring matrices in the foot are recipients of forces that devolve upon the foot(from above) in such a way that the outer part is tasked with a stabilizing agency and is the lowest part of the foot. The inner, higher part which is the MOBILIZING element will 'fall' into place as it is pressed into service. My tiresome sermon ties into your theme of 'direction of force' which inextricably is linked to structure. Thanks for providing a forum for eccentrics like myself to chime in! I'm titilated to take in such depth of content. GODDABLESS!

[@stevenfowler2671]

Lights are coming on all over the hacking golf world 😳

[@elitegolfschools]

💡‘a everywhere!

[@mattgordon3437]

True that!

[@elitegolfschools]

@@mattgordon3437❤❤