Underhooks vs Overhooks: Which is Better? Wrestling and Grappling for Self Defense

[@hard2hurt]

Question for Viewers: Overhooks or Underhooks?

[@eclipsewrecker]

Probably Underhooks most of the time; Overlooks work great often if you are taller. From an overlook-thrower.

[@BRAINFxck10]

Underhooks for wrestling Overhooks for striking

[@AugustMMA]

Obviously it depends but if i had to say one i'd say underhooks.

[@mtgmac1]

As a 140kg fighter, overhooks always. I usually use them in a sumo clamp and throw.

[@kez_the_reaper2657]

Overhooks mainly because my wrestling sucks so I don't get the underhook often

[@carltonbauheimer]

"I'm real, real fucking lazy." With a grappling background, that sold me more than any of his other credentials. This man knows what he is talking about.

[@hard2hurt]

Unstoppable chain wrestling savages might win titles, but lazy grapplers are the best teachers.

[@isaacm1168]

@@hard2hurt absolutely

[@aaronj428]

Much love my friend 🙏

[@paulpolito2001]

He frames it as laziness, but (imho) it's almost always best to take the path of least resistance in a fight. Train honest, fight dirty.

[@SethKBaldwin]

In jiu-jitsu we don't say lazy, we say "efficient"

[@MartialArtsJourney]

I love the concept that whoever is pressure testing their self defense system ends up mostly using wrestling

[@katokianimation]

Every culture where soliders fought w melee weapons, they had developed wrestling.

[@hard2hurt]

It's the oldest martial art for a reason

[@FlorisGerber]

Even with weaponbased systems, this is true. If I use a longsword against a person who doesn't know any Ringen, I can easily leverage my advantage there into a win, even if he is faster, stronger, larger than me.

[@jomess7879]

@@FlorisGerber George silver said if two people are fencing, it is the better wrestler who wins, if no one knows wrestling the stronger person who wins

[@FlorisGerber]

@@jomess7879 Well, I agree with te first notion and strongly disagree with the second. Weapons level the playing field a lot, and technique has in my opinion a stronger impact than strength. The best fencer I know is nearly 60, and demolishes me (and everyone else) despite being nearly twice as old as most of us. I have also taken deadly hits from women half my weight.

[@SenseiSeth]

Aaron (or Erin or Aron or whatever) should be a main character of the show

[@hard2hurt]

He is a little too nice, laid back, humble... listens to others well, lacks any noticeable flaws and is not very confrontational. It all seems real supporty to me.

[@DoseOfReality308]

@@hard2hurt that’s what’s missing.

[@SenseiSeth]

@@hard2hurt hahahah

[@ausmarkb]

@@hard2hurt 😄😄

[@zacharycovell6308]

Sensei Seth would know it's Aaron if he read the description and followed the links to follow Aaron on social media 👀

[@homelessman3483]

If someone really said "never grapple in self defense" then there is a 100% chance he can't fight

[@hard2hurt]

Agreed.

[@BigHossHackworth]

Never get punched in self defense

[@kcwliew]

Ack - my old kung fu instructor when I was a kid 25 years ago was like that. Man I would take him or any of his prize students down and choke them out in a heartbeat today but I would feel so sad... like a little part of me seeing the horror in the realisation that their entire art is a waste of time.

[@rondog835]

I swear Michael Bisping said that

[@homelessman3483]

@@kcwliew same man I'm not even a blue belt in BJJ but i wrestled for a year in highschool and i would probably destroy my childhood karate sensei just off of my double leg shot 😂

[@BradYaeger]

My last instructor used the term "reference points" instead of "positions" . The thinking was that in a fight there's so much randomness and chaos but eventually your body and limbs are going to end up in one of the reference points of the drills we do and you'll know how to take advantage of it . Versus trying to work towards and force something that maybe you can't get or have time for.

[@yungbleach9963]

I like this thought process

[@Satchamo_Jones]

That's a cool way to think of drilling.

[@BradYaeger]

@@Satchamo_Jones It really helps me and my students understand why we drill and actually concentrate during it . Instead of just going through the motions and thinking about sparring instead .

[@user-qv4fp9vm8u]

That is exactly why the damn drills exist but for some reason people think that because it doesn't look like a fight then it doesn't help you at all

[@BradYaeger]

@@user-qv4fp9vm8u I do a little skit about that in classes where I start talking shit to one of my advance students , they talk back , we push each other, then break out into some super angry hubud . "I'm gonna chop the shit out of you motherfucker !! One of these is going to get through eventually and leave a mark! "

[@perrenchan6600]

Underhook? Overhook? I prefer "Off the Hook". Its where you talk your way out so the bad guy lets you off the hook 😂

[@hard2hurt]

Usually best.

[@johnnylan7474]

But not always possible. Been in many situations where "bad guy" just wantedvto fight or kill. Better to be prepared to go for it if needed. Best is just avoid the whole situation, but that means never leaving your bed. So next best, go out and see what's out there. Hmm, speeding buses, great. Easy to avoid unless i am terribly drunk 🥴. Ok, crowded park, possible dangers in various areas. Lingering crowds thatvare just hanging out. Stay away. Find my own spot. Here on the bench under the light. Good. Hmm, crowd walming this way, keep watch. Scan area, escape route found, switch ends on bench. Eye the crowd to be sure they keep hand in view If hands dip into pockets, stamd and follow escape route. DO NOT run. Walk calmly. If run they move like pack animals, they strike. Walk, convince them they were unnoticed and you won't be notified. Fact of the matter is, if knowledgable, they noticed you and you noticed them, both you and them.know it. They testing you. If caught by bad guys, they talk trash, ignore it or make them laugh yourself. Earn respect but show NO fear. Now comes the lack of respect. If you run, they chase. You are now a perceived threat to them. Feared people call for help fast. Theze bad guys hate police. If caught, fight for life or limb. Their choice, not yours. Your choice to survive or not. And still not 100% certain.

[@perrenchan6600]

@@johnnylan7474 whilst I appreciate the very detailed and informative reply. I was just messing around 😂 I saw an opportunity for a bad pun and went for it

[@johnnylan7474]

@@perrenchan6600 ah ok 👍 no prob man. But in actuality i prefer your way also. Awareness is key whether people wantbto believe it or not. It's justcsometime not always possible. Fact of the matter is, there are very very few self defence teachers out there. What they teach is how to fight back. Defence totally different. Avoidance and evasion best defence. And avoidance doesn't mean staying in bed 😀. That was actually an attempt at humor during a frustrated moment. I used to tell the women in my life if you go.out at night, wear sneaker, not heals. If you going to club carry heals, wear sneakers in street. Gotta be able to run full tilt if needed.

[@ihcterra4625]

Verbal Judo

[@AugustMMA]

Aaron is great we need more videos with him.

[@hard2hurt]

You got it.

[@aaronj428]

Thank you 🙏

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I feel like I learned a lot about grappling in a very short time with this video. Also knife defense. I've been doing both of those things for a while now.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Oh my god! It's that channel, huh, the one with the, you know? That thing!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 😅

[@hard2hurt]

Yeah sometimes hearing somebody else revisit basic stuff is what we need.

[@Cy78392]

I did wrestling for a while, but it never stuck. I always just ended up falling back to judo again. I think people hype wrestling way to much. I think it's good but I've beaten several wrestlers in wrestling utilizing other more traditional martial Arts. I'm very poor and karate and judo has gotten me out of a lot of rough situations.

[@cjclark5228]

In judo over hooks are considered the best position. Often my coaches will recommend giving up a penalty point the opponent has an over hook just to return to a neutral position. Over hook uchimata is just such a powerful and hard throw to defend against

[@matheuspn2722]

Depends on your style, in Judo, its really just preference and height, If you're much taller over hooks, much shorter under. Proof? Just look at Georgian judô vs Japanese judo...

[@cjclark5228]

@@matheuspn2722 Correct. I still think generally taller people with overhooks are far better than short people with underhooks. I know there are exceptions, but generally this is true. My team and many others will take a shido (penalty point) if the opponent gains an overhook we won't take a shido for an underhook. Once again there are exception esspecially if you look at the international level (mongolia I belive). Also does georgia use lots of underhooks? I know they use the georgian grip (duh).

[@botondhetyey159]

Isn't this only really true, if you are the taller/stronger one? I don't know much Judo, but when wrestling up from a position in BJJ, I find that I can work overhooks against smaller guys, and sometimes against guys my size, but bigger dudes seem to have the edge in that case.

[@dragonhandman]

Nice! I was just in one of Aaron's classes yesterday. Awesome dude. Great guy to learn from.

[@hard2hurt]

You're lucky.

[@aaronj428]

We had a great time! Looking forward to the next one!

[@indigoflow19O]

Awesome to see you over at endeavor, I can foresee some badass and very informational videos soon if y’all two are collaborating! Great conversation here.

[@hard2hurt]

It's a great place.

[@superiorhema]

A 1450s German Wrestling master named Ott Jud said the same thing in a recital on Knighthood: "If you want to be skillful in Knight craft Then you must, before all else, learn wrestling. When I say to you honestly, Wrestling is indeed a foundation for all Knightly activity... ...As well fighting with knives: without wrestling Much does evade your grasp... you don’t stand a chance in any combat - Condemned then, if you cannot wrestle."

[@andrewzabinski2205]

It's true. Wrestling can be found in various forms across the globe. On every continent, there is some form of wrestling. MMA has proven it, wrestlers transition to MMA better than boxers.

[@KnightJiuJitsu]

LMFAO at Jannetti saying he’s lazy. But also, this is a great ass video with awesome people having important conversations

[@suprememagnetic4850]

Thanks for this video! I’m teaching my son boxing and wrestling for self defense, I think it’s a great combo to learn with just a few basic submission moves.

[@jpesmar]

And they also complement each other beautifully if he wants to compete. Just look at Roberto Durán's inside game and it's immediately obvious how knowing even a bit of wrestling makes you a much dangerous boxer.

[@dpad2480]

I really like how all the best KZbin self defence guys are forming affiliations and finding each other, people I followed separately now more in each other’s videos. Icy mike, sensei Seth, Ryan Hoover and Eli Knight and Aaron Jannetti now as well. Forming a super team in the future maybe, great to see open minds and collaboration across styles and systems

[@aaronj428]

Thank you! 🙏 Sharing thoughts, having discussions like this, it's how we all grow and elevate together. Blessed to get to connect with incredible people and learn together

[@CombatSelfDefense]

This might be one of my favorite videos now. Super simple concepts here, but very, VERY intelligent analysis over the value of wrestling in self defense. Plus, I really like how you guys explain that there’s no real “better” option, only the one that you, the individual can utilize, but you also need to respect the other options as well.

[@aaronj428]

Love that you found such value in this. Means a lot! 🙏

[@staysafemartialarts]

Loved this video, and glad to see ya had Aaron in it. Underhooks and overhooks both have their pros and cons. It is important to understand AND practice both. Im sure everyone will have their preference, but to at least understand how to utilize and capitalize off each one is crucial both for sport based grappling as well as self defense. Looking forward to future videos with the two of ya

[@aaronj428]

Thank you brother. Looking forward to training together!

[@dmills5755]

I love all of your videos but this is my favorite so far for useful and practical information . It’s broken down and dumbed down well. I don’t think clinching and under and over hooks are covered enough time combat sports or self defense training and it’s so important. Thanks again Mike.

[@hazardouslaugh]

Aaron is a great guest, matches your humor well, good knowledge and presentation

[@WatchMysh]

Just watched it again. This is hands down one of the best videos you ever made - at least as seen from a "fundamental knowledge" perspective regarding under / over hooks in a weapon based context.

[@necromancer0616]

Answer: I guess it would depend on the feel of our opponent once you see how they move and feel how they position their body. I know it sounds like a cheesy answer (Mike), but I feel you should never really have a preference you should just be proficient with both, so that you are never caught on a less practiced hold.

[@TimorousBeast]

As a smaller grappler, I really like the overhook. I feel like the underhook extends me a lot versus a taller, longer opponent. The overhook lets me control their posture better. At the end of the day it's a give and take as stated in the video.

[@painandsorrowcards]

I'm glad i'm one of the two people this video is for.

[@theboynurse]

I need to start finishing videos before I comment. I literally was about to reference Craig Douglas when Aaron brought him up.

[@aaronj428]

Craig is the GOAT brother. Incredible man and mentor. And yes, finishing videos is definitely helpful 🤣

[@Johnny.G.]

Glad to see that someone finally explained chi sau is just a drill That has helps develop applications up close. I used to just sigh when I saw it being mocked. Kudos on the ongoing MA journey 👍

[@TheeGoatPig]

From everything that I have witnessed with over and underhooks, height plays the biggest factor in which you should use. If someone is significantly taller, they are going to be forced to use overhooks simply because getting low enough to get an underhook will break their posture and put them in an awkward and compromised position. There are other factors that I'm sure you are about to talk about (commenting before watching), but that one appears to me to be the factor that biggest impact on the decision.

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

Being big and tall, I tend to use more overhooks as there's typically a notable size difference and it's simply there yet I do often think in terms of going for an underhook as that happen to be how I was taught a few techniques by some of my instructors over the years.

[@SwordTune]

Mike, there's always a third person your videos are for, the ones who just want to watch you be yourself.

[@hard2hurt]

Oooh that is sweet.

[@theresponsiblyviolentcitizen]

8:22 he can control by punching his right hand upward and posting his left hand on your bicep. Again temporary position, but none the less the pummeling blueprint is an endless buffet of violence. Superb video coach 🙌

[@drewe51]

This is really wild. I was thinking overhook in self defense, because you prevent the dude from disengaging and cracking me in the head. I never thought about the weapon thing though.

[@harvestblades]

@7:36 he talks about trying to isolate the hand that can draw the weapon (generally strongside) is why it is so advantageous to either have a weapon on each side, or have a weapon that can be drawn with either hand. I carry an EDC pocket knife, or fixed blade that I use for daily cutting tasks on my strongside, and a horizontally mounted ESEE Izula 2 (starting to use a Bastinelli Spade, & Picauer) that is setup for weakside draw, but can be drawn in a reverse grip strongside as well. I also carry my handgun appendix which while tricky can be drawn with the weakside as well.

[@MJRLHobbyStuff]

My favorite position is overhook with forearm frame on the neck (same side as the trapped arm) My second is one side over one side under 3rd, double under 4th single over driving the opponent down. But after this video I see much more value with the single over . Thank you

[@theunpretentiousvegan8593]

Just watched two grown men hug each other spin each other around in the name of self-defense.

[@aaronj428]

What dreams are made of

[@Raven_Fable]

I love the good humor thrown in here.

[@derekhoyle5371]

This brought back an awkward memory from my first BJJ tournament lol Long story short I wasn’t taught these fundamentals due to poor coaching (always the coaches fault lol) They kept yelling “under hooks, under hooks!” Because I was getting laid on the whole time, and I was trying to make up in my mind what that magical term might mean, so I just layed there like a dumbass 😔 Very good topic guys!

[@michaeldavidek8265]

For self defense, I've usually seen double underhooks and/or the body lock taught as a primary position. Video did a good job of showing how a single unserhook or overhook doesn't give a clear advantage.

[@BushCheney04]

You've been talking about over and underhooks for so long but I never really understood the pros and cons of them and I still kinda don't, cause there's only so much you can fit in 10 minutes, but it is cool to see some options from both of them

[@hard2hurt]

We had much more to say... i will visit it soon.

[@BushCheney04]

I'm looking forward to it. I have mostly a boxing background but only briefly learned how about underhooks, overhooks, and collar ties. I'm sure these videos will give me some ideas to practice for so I can add stand up grappling to my boxing

[@chadzard4]

@@BushCheney04 Watch Roberto Duran. Just remember some refs will allow more of this than others.

[@Jeetacademykl]

Amazing insight here guys! We teach self defence here, in south-east Asia and I am so happy to learn those specific wrestling/clinch fighting detailed inputs, which are not my speciality. Huge huge huge thank you guys! I m gonna add this in my practice ! Overhooks or Underhooks ? We use both, depending on the context. But we ve learn new things today thanks to you! Thank you !

[@sagerbomb48]

The Answer wing chun gives , that I’ve have learned for most if not all these “ situations” is carry 2 knifes. Great video mike 👍

[@hard2hurt]

Uh...

[@sagerbomb48]

@@hard2hurt you have talked a lot about pulling and using knifes . But not welding 2 knifes , let me know when you want to talk practical wing chun.

[@SemperFi_EDC_Guy]

That "Coach" shirt is LEGIT!

[@jckingsley]

For my money, (and this jives with what Aaron is saying at around 2:10) I prefer my dominant hand in an overhook position most of the time and my less dominant hand in an underhook (when in a 50/50 clinch type position). With that setup, my dominant hand has a choice of striking targets and/or a way to adjust their posture/balance/etc. to make those strikes more effective or ram them into things. The underhook is there to immobilize and "be stuck to" whatever their other hand is doing and/or reinforce what strategy I'm trying to make work with my overhook on the other side. If I'm not in a 50/50 clinch type situation and just choosing which one I want as I'm going in, that's going to depend on what my opponent's defense looks like because that changes my striking targets.

[@VTLille]

I like under hooks, but for some reason (probably also because I’m old and lazy) I’m always getting over hooks. Right over hook and left wrist control. From there I like to go for the uchi mata attempt to ankle pick.

[@logandwyer8727]

I think both are excellent. But I feel like underhook’s are “easier to pick up” for someone new. Overlooks are better defensively and are better for throws. But basic underhook stuff is easier for a newer person to pick up in my experience. And as a guy who wrestles people taller then me underhooks have always felt better. But like you said. Everyone needs to learn wrestling for self defense. Period

[@mikearnold3878]

I really like your content! Good job!

[@ives3572]

Really interesting concepts that you both have pointed out here

[@Piergiu74]

This is a superbe content. It is uplifting to watch some minds work together...

[@SleeplessBrazilLimbo]

aaron's laugh should be a national treasure

[@aaronj428]

Why thank you!

[@jckingsley]

Legit question for Mike: At about 5:35, you're going over the idea that it's better to have the underhook when seeking weapon control. But right at 5:39, I would say that goes against some of your previous statements and explorations on that idea, right? MOST of the stuff about keeping the weapon under control seems to be most reliable when preventing the draw. Would you say that is easier with an overhook looking at what Aaron's doing right at that timestamp (5:39)? Or is it still about 50/50 considering that they have to find a way to get under the underhook to get to their belt in the first place? I would think there would be a scramble taking place that might get out of your control in the underhook version of that scenario. The overhook version of that same scenario seems to be as close as you can get to a guarantee that you're going to pin the drawing hand AND keep control around their waist in general once you lock down those overhooks. Thoughts?

[@10countboxing46]

I’ve decided to find a good wrestling club to improve my boxing and now to help me in self defence. I think what a lot of boxers don’t realise is that if you hit somebody bare fisted with the technique we are taught then you will almost definitely break your hand or wrist. Leaving you practically defenceless

[@daxisperry7644]

I have always preferred overhooks. Never knew why. Doing BJJ, constantly told to get underhooks but I still prefer overhooks. Started watching more wrestling stuff and suddenly I'm being validated a little xD and I've never done wrestling before.

[@seansnyder2855]

We need more Mike getting beat up, that was sick.

[@avaandlilah8133]

Great vid

[@janikauhanen5475]

I think that Mike has a legit blackbelt in keyboard-fighting since he knows your next "move" before you even do it 😂😂😂 Great content, always a good morning when the coffeemaker is on and you notice that hard2hurt has uploaded a new video 😊

[@jamiancarreon9896]

Great video guys

[@harvestblades]

I've been binging on Craig Douglas' (Shivworks) videos, & podcasts he has been on as well as when folks like you review his classes, & I really hope I can afford (not justify, but actually afford) to get my wife & I to some of his classes, especially ECQC. We both carry handguns daily, & train BJJ & Muay Thai (some wrestling & Judo are in that too), but I feel his ECQC is essential, & for those with both handgun & grappling training it really ties them together for how things work in the real world for those with only grappling or firearm training it shows how badly you need the other one.

[@aaronj428]

Craig is an incredible instructor and human. I absolutely encourage everyone to take his courses.

[@Cinemavigilante]

How wrestling works against a bigger stronger guy?

[@aaronj428]

It does, like all fighting styles, with lots of practice

[@saure22]

The beard game is strong, got me jealous.

[@aaronj428]

🙏😎

[@samrogers2282]

🔥🔥🔥 great details 💯

[@mraBJJ33]

In jiu-jitsu we love us a good underhook and mostly use over hooks for preventing back takes and off the top of my head for butterfly sweeps by removing the option for a post. So I'd say it's like 80/20 under/over hook in my SPORT

[@MultiTictock]

love the metrolina SO lol trapping!

[@BuildinWings]

7:35 This is the MOST important thing to know about underhook/overhook defenses. Bring your frickin elbows in. This tucked-elbow position is why kung fu hand-trapping is so useful to wrestlers - The upright game is often about establishing inside position.

[@GoodJuju2020]

Underhooks... you get control of the lower body (ie weapons & it gives you more options for throws) & it's really really easy to "Limp Arm" out of a whizzer

[@tzaeru]

Hmm, I kind of feel like underhooks have the very significant advantage in that you can shoot for a leg takedown. Also if you are smaller and weaker than your opponent, pulling them all the way to the ground with an overhook might be tough. Just my initial thoughts without too much thinking on it.

[@isaacm1168]

overhook can lead to a sneaky amount of offense too such as drags ducks and firemans, not to mentions all the throw variations, youre right about the underhooks tho, as the transition to leg attacks is almostg instant

[@GrizzlyHansen]

Underhooks are what I prefer, I am always using them, but I have used overhooks to get some painful elbow stuff.

[@benstark5320]

As a former D-1 college wrestler I really like under hooks especially if I am taller than my opponent. Let me stand the guy up go for the legs or do a throw by to his back. Over hooks are good to prevent attacks.

[@danielpeyser3313]

Interesting material!

[@CH-qw6yy]

Really good video!

[@perryBJJ]

Great video! As mentioned, Underhooks do a better job of opening up offensive GRAPPLING opportunities in a PURE GRAPPLING situation, that is why they tend to be more emphasized in BJJ & Wrestling. But, Overhooks, especially Double Overhooks, on the other hand, tend to do a much better job of shutting down strikes (witness: the later rounds of almost every boxing match ever). Try to strike someone who has Double Overhook on you, it's hard. I'm a little surprised we don't see the Double Overhooks more in MMA. (Maybe we don't because it tends to be more viewed as more defensive and not linked with improving position...?) But I think for PURE "self-defense" Double Overhooks is possibly the "safest" clinch to be in, especially if you're not a highly trained grappler.

[@mattiasfigueroa9438]

Well I usually go for overhooks when I'm wrestling so I can go for the over arm throw, but usually when I'm clinching in Muay Thai I prefer the under hook so that I can get some knees and attempt some arm locks so it makes it easier for me to try to move the person.

[@mich15smith45]

hell yeah more wrestling stuff!!!!!

[@kencoffman7145]

Really liked this one since the only real training was high school wrestling. Wrestling carried over in other training I received on various jobs. Just wanted to ask Mike if he has thoughts on how grapplers use their heads as an added tool. I find that a thick skull can be almost as effective as a knee or elbow for pain compliance.

[@Jeff_123]

3:31 Sheesh I'm lazy too I lie down on my bed all day. So that must mean I can beat even the legendary master ken at fighting right?! Nah I'm kiddin, video is really good though. Really clear on the benefits of both hooks and how you can use them respectively. Thanks so much Mike and Aaron

[@shinobidaimyo5135]

I would recommend Master Kens anti grappling system and always remember re-stomp the Groin.

[@maxreign9071]

This guy is really casually terrifying.

[@hard2hurt]

Yeah his capability for violence and kindness are both off the charts.

[@Jamoni1]

I took a seminar with Aaron, and we all went out to dinner afterward, and it was all these high high level badasses in funny t shirts and cargo shorts... it was the most chill, relaxed, funny, nerdy, dangerous group of people I've ever had burritos with.

[@aaronj428]

This is quite possibly the greatest compliment I've ever had!

[@aaronj428]

@@Jamoni1 That was a great day and a great group!

[@thebobbytytesvarrietyhour4168]

I'm curious. If I buy and ship a medieval book on wrestling with knives, would you open it up on video and try to figure out the techniques?

[@aaronj428]

I have a few of those books. Really cool to see the old ways that types of concepts developed in a time when knives and swords were the prominent weapon.

[@chrisd1]

a fair bit of the WW1 combatives seem to be based around catch-wrestling G de Relwyskow taught the British Army (and his book The Art of Wrestling, is still available), Billy C. Sandow' s Self Defence for the Individual published in 1919 (available on amazon) was based on stuff he taught US troops in the war and A E Marriot's 1918 Hand-to-hand fighting, as system of personal defence for the soldier(available from the Naval and Military Press) all seem to be based on a cut-down and effectively brutal form of , on your feet, catch wrestling. Interestingly, some of those techniques seem to appear or be really similar to some of the medieval wrestling techniques Jessica Finley's book Medieval Wrestling (available on amazon), based on Ott's 15th Century work is good and has some techniques which seem to have carried over, medieval wrestling seems to not have had weight classes etc and while also done in a "sporting" manner, was still a battlefield art.....sorry for rambling, but I think these might be good sources etc for wrestling for self-defence

[@RichardRohlin]

Great video btw. After all of the trash-talk about grappling, it's great to see some content for grabby bois.

[@MrRabiddogg]

the best fighter is the one who understands his strengths and weaknesses and then trains to make them both strengths. We should know how to strike, how to grapple and how to flow from one to the other seamlessly regardless of which one you are more natural at.

[@mellonhead9568]

the thing he does with the overhook shoulder lock in some spaces like JKD and Escrima i hear its called an inside wrap and it transitions to other locks should one fail like a lock flow.... frick i wish i remembered that last time grappling

[@weaponman3872]

I would like to see you guys do batmans fighting style and try to apply it the way he dose , maybe even stealth and all

[@allenbutrum3724]

Awesome thanks for the knowledge!!!

[@knolle9390]

Since I am taller than most opponents I prefer one overhook and grab the neck. For me overhooks are very easy to get and the uchi Mata/whizzer throw is there, and that is the easiest throw as a tall guy.

[@thomaspeterson29]

As a wrestler, over hooks are great for being more defensive and under hooks are better for offense. You should be able to obtain dominance in both positions or you will have an uneven wrestling game.

[@de0509]

Goddamit man i was just gonna troll with the other hand grabbing the knife exactly at that time

[@JCBPARISPARIS]

Thanks it was the question I had just yesterday.

[@hard2hurt]

I was listening.

[@JCBPARISPARIS]

@@hard2hurt AhAh thanks

[@pascal0868]

Do you have or alternatively can you recommend a program that covers this aspect of grappling for self defence?

[@aaronj428]

Our online training program for Knife Control Concepts breaks down a ton of wrestling and grappling drills, and how they apply to knife defense. Craig Douglas and ShivWorks are incredible courses that tie wrestling into weapons based environments. Fit to Fight in Charlotte does a ton of wrestling and grappling in the context of self defense. Raul Martinez and Rogue Methods do a great close contact gun class that ties wrestling and guns.

[@MarcosAG90]

Lol that nerd in the comments was me. Hi Mike!! 😂😂😂 Nice video actually

[@mattstew6078]

Self defense/fighting isn't violence, it's controlling violence. Wrestling is the art controlling a violent person. If you can't figure out why that works together, you can't fight

[@hard2hurt]

i dream of a day when this is universally accepted

[@mattstew6078]

@@hard2hurt we all do

[@REDLINE.FGC1]

just looking at body composition, I think for short people like me and you, underhooks are better. whereas taller heavier people would likely prefer overhooks.

[@charlesrobbins5683]

My opinion is what limits opponent options or at least the options that cause the most damage

[@straightwhitemale.1117]

People with knives usually don't want you to know they have a knife until it's [almost] too late. Good video, but could you make one on controlling the arm that is, you know, armed? Please and thank you.

[@aaronj428]

Our entire Knife Control Concepts program addresses that exact problem in depth.

[@RichardRohlin]

If someone is tall (like I am), you end up getting a LOT of overhooks. You can make it work really well.

[@jmn-5554]

“It depends” right?

[@tatooinefarmboy]

Hmm I need to do more overhook stuff.

[@texasgreentea1]

LOL! The realization that wrestling drills are basically the same as Wing Chun chi sao with just slightly different distance is a thing most MMA bros will be slow to admit.

[@jasonadams6655]

Question for you mike..If we sees the weapon..it is always two on one on the weapon hand right..rather than grappling with underhooks and over hooks

[@notusingmyname4791]

wrestling is still the best martial art for self defense. it shares one thing in common with boxing more so than other martial arts.. and that is, in practice, and in matches, you are going closer to 100% of your strength capacity as the techniques will allow than most other martial arts. what makes it better than boxing is you develop sensitivity and feeling what the other person is doing or how they're posed, more body mechanics to handle a wider range of approaches to a situation, and they practice how to reverse more bad situations that they'll find themselves in.

[@z1z2z3z4z1z2]

we didnt do a lot of wrestling. for us if you grabbing, pushing, you should be causing damage or striking, or setting up for a break. overhooks were used as a setup for a sweep, or set up for an break. but with either you had to be really careful or you would run into elbows, mauy Thai knees. grappling worked good for the guys that trained for security guards, police, where you were looking on restraining. for self defense it was about causing damage then clearing so you could check for other potential attackers.

[@BeReadyFighting]

Bout time Aaron gets a little internet love!

[@aaronj428]

😘😎💜