Understand Warhammer 40k with these books

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ABORDER PRINCE

ABORDER PRINCE

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Had a lot of requests recently asking which books to read so these are my top ones to understand Warhammer 40k. Also These links lead to them on Amazon and try out audible its the cheapest way to get the audios. Ebay is a good place or second hand book shops for some of the older suggestions. Cheers.
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@ABorderPrince
@ABorderPrince Жыл бұрын
Missed a bunch out but I recommend these as a starter
@johnmcmanus7809
@johnmcmanus7809 Жыл бұрын
Have you read Konrad, Shadowbreed and warblade by David Ferring old school Warhammer from 1990. influenced highly by the witcher books like most of the Warhammer setting.
@ethanr7378
@ethanr7378 Жыл бұрын
Are you going to do a part 2 video with more book recommendations?
@BloodyShirtMusic
@BloodyShirtMusic Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah dude. I'm going to check these out. Also couldn't help but laugh at " my kid is asleep" then you proceed to cackle like a demon. Love it. Thanks dude
@SillyLegz
@SillyLegz Жыл бұрын
Oooh thank you ABD!
@stoneage3429
@stoneage3429 Жыл бұрын
I have loads of old stuff in e books. Contact me if your interested
@dcbluenose1873
@dcbluenose1873 Жыл бұрын
As an old, old, 40k guy I really appreciate the respect and love you show to the classic lore tomes. Your narration of The Eye of Terror is a must listen for those getting into the scene. Yeah, it's old, but classics like that really helped establish "grimdark". Also, can't recommend the Fabulous Bill novels enough.
@bruni5289
@bruni5289 Жыл бұрын
If we're gonna go Oldhammer I'd love to see someone do a narration of Inquisitor
@Misstucci
@Misstucci Жыл бұрын
Eye of Terror is just too good.
@dcbluenose1873
@dcbluenose1873 Жыл бұрын
@@bruni5289 Me too!!!
@bruni5289
@bruni5289 Жыл бұрын
@@dcbluenose1873 "who knows Ian, maybe this is my next movie"
@joshsickels
@joshsickels Жыл бұрын
@@bruni5289 Couple things, Warhammer is set in the far, far, future. If you go around carelessly miss appropriating with "Oldhammer" jokes it will scare anything born after 1999 away from easing into the grimdark. Lets face it, they need al the grimdark they can get, and we need a steady supply of fodder. What would be great is to get some female participants interested. That be a hard sell for sure. Maybe if Warhammer was to identify as Shoppinghammer, (a sexist would say) it would get us there. Plus we would get bonus points for accepting Warhammer's right to identify however he/she wants. Shopinghammer would be the door. Before you know it, you both will be calling it Sexhammer and everyone should be ok with that, even the table top.
@AuramiteEX
@AuramiteEX Жыл бұрын
I've read about 75% of the books mentioned and I agree. I would also add the Dark Imperium trilogy to the must-read list
@DamplyDoo
@DamplyDoo Жыл бұрын
It might be underrated, but "path of the warrior" gave me great insight into the Eldar mindset, their society, their military. I always enjoyed reading it...
@kimmogensen4888
@kimmogensen4888 Жыл бұрын
Yes it makes more sense when you get the reason for the way craft world Eldar are organized with only one path for each Eldar, really interesting, like humans and even more not at their peak of civilization but backwards grime dark, like everyone except maybe the Tau with their marvelous A.I technology, which like the warp only brings the grater good in Warhammer lore 😯
@itsaBoomer
@itsaBoomer 10 ай бұрын
Path of the Outcast is great too
@firedragon10
@firedragon10 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind a video on your recommendation for Warhammer Fantasy to read since Warhammer: Old World is slowly being revive.
@watleythewizard2381
@watleythewizard2381 Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear more Old World lore
@parkermaisterra8532
@parkermaisterra8532 Жыл бұрын
13:20 So fun fact but in Graham McNeills other work Forges of Mars the events of this novel are mentioned. Spoilers: Turns out there was an Imperial Guard who survived but because of how badly things went the siege was covered up/classified and the Guardsman was discharged and became super bitter.
@matthewdavies986
@matthewdavies986 Жыл бұрын
I used to read loads as a kid, but in my mid teens I basically stopped, the book that got me back into reading was Double Eagle by Dan Abnett, which then led to me reading Gaunt's Ghosts. I can't recommend those books enough
@sanchez444
@sanchez444 Жыл бұрын
Great recommendation on the gaunts ghost series, have a lot of non Warhammer buds from the army who absolutely love that series and nothing else. Seems to click with them.
@Paddy3115
@Paddy3115 Жыл бұрын
Yes, fantasy books please, especially Dwarfs!
@saint_beefus1322
@saint_beefus1322 Жыл бұрын
Yes absolutely do the fantasy books, the old world is still my favourite fantasy world when it comes to aesthetics, the way it blends the gritty and familiar human factions and contrasts them with all the weird and out there races is something I still haven't seen in other media yet.
@Sara3346
@Sara3346 Жыл бұрын
The humans can get pretty weird too! Have you ever seen a grail relique or an amber wizard or a hag witch possessed by the widow?
@Anj28t
@Anj28t 4 ай бұрын
Super old video and super late comment but I second the idea of a Fantasy video! Just started reading Grudgebearer as a loyal Dawi player, and would love your opinion on where to go from there
@anthonywilkes8630
@anthonywilkes8630 Жыл бұрын
Re-reading Storm of Iron myself at the mo, and loving it just as much as I did the 1st time! Love the list ABP 👍
@Shagrat65
@Shagrat65 Жыл бұрын
ABP - I've always veered to the fantasy side of Warhammer but your videos over the years - which are of the most sublime and often hilarious quality (your review of the Vulkan Primarch book had me in stitches laughing) have me merrily digesting the books. Cheers fella for the work you do - its true brilliance.
@joshwongwai3532
@joshwongwai3532 Жыл бұрын
I've read about half of those you've listed and can also vouch that they are wonderful reads.
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 Жыл бұрын
I go back to hearing about the Rogue Traders game…man , I’m that old!
@ImperatorSomnium
@ImperatorSomnium Жыл бұрын
Fantasy would be interesting, I'm not thrilled with the Age of Sigmar setting and I understand from people that are more experienced in the Warhammer universe - Fantasy was better.... Also, what is your opinion on the "Infinite and The Divine" ? One of the top pieces of lore + best random story imo .... Cheers!
@langshanhexachord8749
@langshanhexachord8749 Жыл бұрын
Mr Macniel's Ventris stuff was what got me into reading 40k! I was afraid it was nostalgic bias that made me believe he was one of the best, I'm glad to have it confirmed that he's actually one of the best.
@mossberg882
@mossberg882 Жыл бұрын
ABP, you're absolutely brilliant to watch n follow your channel. You add so much richness n knowledge n perspective to the 40k community. Especially with your knowledge of the "older" lore n books where things were more colorful n a delicious primordial soup of theories n intrigue. You know, before things started becoming more sterile n clean cookie cut ha! Great recommendations, I saw some older works that I started reading from my dad's collection when I first was getting into it as a teen n even some that I forgot n remember them being so good! (Like the Soul Drinkers series) Long winded, keep doin what your doin. You're great, I love your witt n maniacal twists of humor and imagination you bring to the table. Cheers 🍻
@alexjenkins8231
@alexjenkins8231 Жыл бұрын
this is great.. thanks for the recommendations. I will definitely be added these to the list.. I only just started getting into the books a few months ago.. very cool stuff. I love watching all your lore and story narrations. if I could recommend The Infinite and the Divine, kinda funny witty bromance Necron story.
@houseadams4841
@houseadams4841 Жыл бұрын
I just started the Uriel Ventris series… Inhave gotten through books 1-3 so far….. I was the same way at first…. “Eh…Just boring ass Ultra Marines..” But it’s actually a very good series so far and Uriel isn’t your basic assumption of an UM. Book 3 is a trip…
@dfly27485
@dfly27485 Жыл бұрын
Love you, Miss you ABP,… My son was also just born too, so hearing your voice and content in between the chaos and craziness knowing you’re going through the same thing bring a sense of normalcy. Hope to hear more soon. Thanks
@socalastarte6727
@socalastarte6727 Жыл бұрын
Damn hit the nail on the head. I'm 40 books into the Heresy and I was just discussing yesterday how boring the perpetuals are. Everytime they appear, I can't get through that part of the book quick enough. I'd heard sooooo much praise about Legion, but it was awful. One of the slowest and toughest to get through for me. The HH series as a whole is fantastic, but as you said, a few clunkers here and there.
@Tehquall
@Tehquall Жыл бұрын
Love the storm of iron recommendation, it was the first book I read back in the day and my copy is very battered. Would love to hear more of your recommendations/reviews!
@attemptedunkindness3632
@attemptedunkindness3632 Жыл бұрын
Perturabo would be ashamed if the book wasn't very battered.
@MrJoshuiashoemaker
@MrJoshuiashoemaker Жыл бұрын
Apocalypse was a great book to read. Really made me enjoy the Word Bearers and the approach to combat and such.
@shitsandgiggles9996
@shitsandgiggles9996 Жыл бұрын
I got daemon world awhile back due to you teasing an audiobook for it. Love it because it's an old school sword and sorcery story set in what you'd expect to be a sci-fi setting. Plus I prefer the small scale stories in 40k. The large scale stuff tends to be underwhelming or even shit.
@bruni5289
@bruni5289 Жыл бұрын
>understanding how Choas works The Inquisition would like to know your location
@Mr.Glitch
@Mr.Glitch Жыл бұрын
Some cracking choices there! I forget that Realm of Chaos stuff isn't much in the lore anymore. I started talking about it in a vid I tried making earlier and ended up deleting loads of it. 😂 Gaunt really shaped my teen years, he was someone to look up to. Absolute hero.
@jamesharrison142
@jamesharrison142 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, loved the suggestions. You've got a subscription! Interested to see if you do the fantasy equivalent you mentioned
@johnsarmiento4980
@johnsarmiento4980 Жыл бұрын
30:20 the rant on the scale between the tau and empire is the most hilarious thing I’ve heard
@shitsandgiggles9996
@shitsandgiggles9996 Жыл бұрын
Reading path of the dark eldar right now, great stuff. Something I personally enjoy about the books is that it reminds me of how a really good evil TTRPG campaign should work.
@lgjm5562
@lgjm5562 10 ай бұрын
Liked that you care about the meaning of "decimated". Oh and the excellent review of the books too.
@Greycatuk
@Greycatuk Жыл бұрын
Great video, thankyou! No excuses needed either - if folk don’t like your opinions, then tough, cos it’s your channel! Love your enthusiasm too. So many of the books are excellent, and I’ve a few of these old editions too 😊
@ABorderPrince
@ABorderPrince Жыл бұрын
Cheers
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 Жыл бұрын
Thank you , Prince of the Border . 🐺
@fraserwatson1723
@fraserwatson1723 3 ай бұрын
lets go! Dark Eldar trilogy is criminally underrated! glad to see it get some love!
@OptimusJedi
@OptimusJedi Жыл бұрын
The Last Church is cringe! Hahahaha! Yes! Amazing. I like some of the Heresy stuff too but yeah it really gets too high on it’s own farts. Great takes, great suggestions. I dig the off the cuff format too.
@eichler721
@eichler721 Жыл бұрын
Great list and Chris Wraight, Dan Abnett, and Graham McNeil are my favorite authors. Guy Haley had some phenomenal ones as well.
@christopherwinsor2069
@christopherwinsor2069 Жыл бұрын
Yes please for the old world books
@tonybanks544
@tonybanks544 Жыл бұрын
Yes please Tales of the Old war great collection of stories
@steevee4610
@steevee4610 Жыл бұрын
Ollanius and John are great, Malcador has to be there. But they didn't need to create a cabal of perpetuals beyond them
@shitsandgiggles9996
@shitsandgiggles9996 Жыл бұрын
Yes Please cover old hammer.
@bak9451
@bak9451 Жыл бұрын
Thanks man 👌
@mimamo9214
@mimamo9214 Жыл бұрын
And btw: Get yourself hired by GW! We need someone who narrates all the old stuff! For us busy people audio books are the only way to enjoy a book in theses days...
@MrPlainsflyer
@MrPlainsflyer Жыл бұрын
Yeah Id love to hear your list of Fantasy just to see what was good. I read the Felix and Gotten series (mostly) but what else is good?
@JRMshadow260a
@JRMshadow260a Жыл бұрын
Yes, do the fantasy but make sure you really mention that it's the fantasy... I get them mixed up but I'm still new to War Hammer, only 3yrs into the lore.. Plus I only play the PC games and read the books when I have time...
@MrJoshuiashoemaker
@MrJoshuiashoemaker Жыл бұрын
For me the Tau were introduced as the "good guys" and That was all it took to gain the resentment for the 40K fan base. I remember vividly when the salesman for Gameworkshop visited our local game store(heros & dragons at the time) and pitched the new faction.
@ehtrid7038
@ehtrid7038 Жыл бұрын
I didnt read 2 of them ,thx! It will last until The End and .. And yea mate do Old World books too pls and keep the great work
@houseadams4841
@houseadams4841 Жыл бұрын
I read reviews on Audible…. And for the most part the GW WH books get solid ratings/reviews…. But I read some reviews to try and get a better understanding of the book.. One review will give it 1-star and say it’s horrible and boring… the next gives it 4/5 - stars and says it’s great… So hard to get a solid understanding of how the book is… I know we all like different things.. but ithe reviews are just so all over.. And Audible gets weird if you start returning books “too often..” I’ve returned a handful and now I can’t return any… pisses me off. Anyway…. A video series like this would really help!!!
@TheXandeyn
@TheXandeyn Жыл бұрын
Give it a few months. They put a limit on how many books you can return on a quarterly or half year basis
@Dogboon-
@Dogboon- 10 ай бұрын
You missed 'Inquisitor' by Ian Watson and a nighthunter book where the chaos space marine winds up on a hive world
@Wimpiethe3
@Wimpiethe3 Жыл бұрын
Im not into warhammer fantasy sadly. But I will probably give it a listen to get a bit of a primer.
@goldenxan2567
@goldenxan2567 Жыл бұрын
A Warhammer Fantasy book list sounds good also!
@mimamo9214
@mimamo9214 Жыл бұрын
Always love your Warhammer 40k content! Warhammer Fantasy however, is not really my thing...
@Leman.Russ.6thLegion
@Leman.Russ.6thLegion 27 күн бұрын
Emperor's Gift for Inquisition purge mentality.
@Dogue83
@Dogue83 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought about covering battletech?
@ImperatorSomnium
@ImperatorSomnium Жыл бұрын
no
@mr.spuddling4187
@mr.spuddling4187 Жыл бұрын
Oi is the KZbin store the only way to obtain your mugs or is there more direct way (idk if they get some of your earnings or what not)
@christopherwinsor2069
@christopherwinsor2069 Жыл бұрын
Would you consider doing the ciaphas Caine books?
@HeckledMind
@HeckledMind Жыл бұрын
I stayed to the end! Yea wfb books. gotrex and felix books are just a given. Dead man's party cracked me up. Weekend at Bernie's in Marienburg! Konrad was my first wfb series and it was really good starting point. Needed one more book. My seconed was Drachenfels i feel like it get too much praise. I bought the audio book to give it anouther go. Blood on the Reik. slaves to darkness. Darkblade. The Marienburg Series. Brunner. Knights of brettonia. All great series. But Gilead, i read the whole series. Miserable elf is miserable. Give it a pass.
@ABorderPrince
@ABorderPrince Жыл бұрын
Darkblade is king
@aleksandarilic9806
@aleksandarilic9806 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm quite new to this, maybe 2 years into listening to your narration, {can't thank you enough for that}, but got a question, shoukd i read the books here in this order or i can read whichever order?
@ABorderPrince
@ABorderPrince Жыл бұрын
Whatever order is fine
@TheMaxim10083
@TheMaxim10083 Жыл бұрын
The irst trilogy of the Gotrek, the Von Carstein trilogy, Empire trilogy, the Nagash trilogy and the Sundering trilogy should cover the old world
@PodreyJenkin138
@PodreyJenkin138 Жыл бұрын
Also the sigmar trilogy
@PodreyJenkin138
@PodreyJenkin138 Жыл бұрын
Like when he was alive and until the tribes
@mariuszsz5986
@mariuszsz5986 Жыл бұрын
Best wishes for your family and you 😌
@kimmogensen4888
@kimmogensen4888 Жыл бұрын
The Emperor as a God is a powerful tool and weapon in Warhammer 40.000 which is totally different from the 30.000 crusade, and Horus heresy at the end of the crusade. It is both making people more vulnerable to Chaos, but the strongest in belief of the Emperor as a God can be the strongest weapons in the battle against Chaos, and empower the Emperor and he can also use them for the fight against Chaos by empowering them it seems. And if you as a human in 40.000 don’t believe you probably have a bad time with the Adeptus Arbites = Judge Dredd like police. And if you’re heresy is as deep rooted as ABORDER PRINCE ☸️ the Inquisition might notice your activity 🫵
@jabels4479
@jabels4479 Жыл бұрын
So I never heard of half of these older books. But how many have been retconned? Are they still canon in general?
@goldenxan2567
@goldenxan2567 Жыл бұрын
I've been looking for good and deep insights on 40K books, but everywhere I looked had the few same names repeated on their lists, and most of them were just not that good in my opinion. Yours was the only list I've found that had varied titles, with good reasons for each. I have read some of them already and was not super inspired by them, but I still got to hear of some titles I had not heard of before, so thank you for making this. EDIT: The first novel I've read from Dan was following the release sequence, so Gaunt's Ghosts, and I did NOT like it. It was the first 40K book I didn't like. There are many reasons for that, including that it doesn't feel 40K to me (Gaunt is not a real commissar in my eyes), but I eventually read Eisenhorn, and then I started liking him as a writer. Still am not a fan of Gaunt's Ghosts.
@kimmogensen4888
@kimmogensen4888 Жыл бұрын
Space Hulk by Gav Thorpe. Yarrick: The Omnibus. Valdor: Birth of the Imperium by Chris Wraight. The Master of Mankind by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. Slaves to Darkness by John French. And then = Pawns of Chaos by Brian Stableford is one ABP has on the channel 10 hours I think, don’t know if you like it but it’s a different story from the rest, it’s canon but from a different angle. Tzeentch - The Changer of the Ways. Is as sneaky as the Emperor of mankind which the book of the Emperors name explains.
@goldenxan2567
@goldenxan2567 Жыл бұрын
@@kimmogensen4888 Thank you for the recommendations! I already have Pawns of Chaos with me, I'll be reading it in time for sure. I hoped to read Yarrick eventually, but had not heard of those others. And Gav Thorpe is one of my favorites. Thank you again!
@totallylegit4092
@totallylegit4092 Жыл бұрын
I have to disagree. Even though the Emperium today is vastly different than it was during the Heresy, it still is part of it. From the nature of chaos, to the nature of the Primarchs to nature of, all have their origins there. With the return of the primarchs, the fact that the emperor didnt want to be a god is quite relevant, as his sons will have to cope with the new reality. Furthermore some chapters also dont believe him to be a god. As much as you say they are separate, they are not. It’s all interconnected and it just helps with fleshing out the universe, being able to see the evolution of it. But this is just my opinion.
@GabrielWilliamsOfficial
@GabrielWilliamsOfficial Жыл бұрын
This guy gets 40k
@angelofthelight6650
@angelofthelight6650 Жыл бұрын
Is there a book that is nothing but short stories that are pieced together that evolve around the Imperial Guard but we'll factions example is there like a book that has one story that's about the catagen jungle Fighters, then the next story would cover Death Korps of Krieg, then move on to Tallarn Desert Raiders, Mordian Iron Guard Also this regiment confuses me as they're also known as the acid dogs. Then the Valhallan Ice Warriors & so on? As some of these regimens are almost obscure but they're also some of the most well-known if that even makes any sense.
@attemptedunkindness3632
@attemptedunkindness3632 Жыл бұрын
A hot take: Warhammer's Constant Drachenfels novel from 1989 depicts the present Emperor of Mankind who is all a self-insert for Rick Priestley, beloved by all.
@jeffhreid
@jeffhreid Жыл бұрын
Free wheeling ranting is the best
@Hartmansgrad
@Hartmansgrad Жыл бұрын
I remember reading Old Warhammer Fantasy novels when I was far too young for them...I wonder if any of them stand up beyond my rose tinted glasses
@timsearle5837
@timsearle5837 Жыл бұрын
probably. I am rereading all the 40k stuff now, 20 years on, and its better than most of the drivel that u get released today.
@eddie7893
@eddie7893 Жыл бұрын
Cool
@lfx2mlfx2m8
@lfx2mlfx2m8 Жыл бұрын
can you make an introduction to warhammer from scratch?
@timsearle5837
@timsearle5837 Жыл бұрын
hard to do, so big... Id go for his list of lore videos, starting with the Emperor and then the Astartes and guards, followed by any other imperium lore, and follow on with the types of aliens, then go into campaign stories... its all here for you, you have hours of listening to do.
@benren7305
@benren7305 Жыл бұрын
Graham McNeil is League of legends main lore writer right now I think.
@garrettandtammylauman3213
@garrettandtammylauman3213 Жыл бұрын
With that Gilgamesh comment you just got ten times more love and respect from me, not that you know me or care but just thought I'd say lol
@bruni5289
@bruni5289 Жыл бұрын
30K is good but it's not for newbs, you gotta know what's up first to know how it got to where it is
@area609joe7
@area609joe7 Жыл бұрын
Best books have Captain Erasmus Tycho.
@cameronmorton6756
@cameronmorton6756 Жыл бұрын
Some great reads in that list ABP. Some read, some not. Getting back into BL books after long,long absence. Have an awful lo of catching up o do. Great channel, will recommend to any like minded lunatics who cross my path 💀☠👼
@bebbenbaby5361
@bebbenbaby5361 Ай бұрын
No offense, I disagree. I just got into the warhammer universe in the last year and I've read most of the books you mentioned. I tried to get into warhammer for years and had a lot of trouble. Warhammer lore, for some reason, has a huge difficulty starting point. Most of the books just assume you have a lot of starting knowledge. The Caine series really helped teach me a lot.
@torlekjpec5708
@torlekjpec5708 Жыл бұрын
Interested in a book that goes into lizardmen lore in fantasy.
@jadenprice1463
@jadenprice1463 Жыл бұрын
my annoyance with tau is simple. They have quite a few books. BUT ME ORKSIES OINLY GOTZ DA WUN BUK!!
@jeffhreid
@jeffhreid Жыл бұрын
ABP , your boy is gonna have an awesome bedtime story experience no doubt. Nobody tells a tale with as much panache as you
@carllonsdale4815
@carllonsdale4815 Жыл бұрын
you should do WHF stuff
@TheFrankencrx
@TheFrankencrx Жыл бұрын
Not a single Ciaphas Cain novel.. interesting.
@phantomjoker5
@phantomjoker5 Жыл бұрын
book gang
@thehobbypony4265
@thehobbypony4265 Жыл бұрын
There is very few Old World Lore on youtube. If you were to do some I would watch and follow. Just don't let your 40k stuff slide. I might suggest making a separate channel for the Old World/Fantasy stuff. Thanks for all the 40k vids you have made.
@SomthingNew0
@SomthingNew0 Жыл бұрын
Diamond boner when ABP says he's ranting. Once again: when "I'm just ranting now" t shirt?
@olivernaumann3966
@olivernaumann3966 Жыл бұрын
Listen's to intro, *braces self for RANT*
@jamescarter8693
@jamescarter8693 Жыл бұрын
We listen for your opinion in your voice and to question Crystal smoking cigarettes or not we're not sure
@seffthechef4236bo
@seffthechef4236bo Жыл бұрын
Comment for algorithm
@BM-is5ei
@BM-is5ei Жыл бұрын
Major Rawne is cool? Lol
@benren7305
@benren7305 Жыл бұрын
Do not like the soul drinkers.
@theodoremccarthy4438
@theodoremccarthy4438 Жыл бұрын
The Emperor not wanting to be a god, while inevitably becoming one, is a critique of atheism not of religion. It’s infuriating how few people understand that.
@patchez058
@patchez058 Жыл бұрын
Do tell? How so?
@PodreyJenkin138
@PodreyJenkin138 Жыл бұрын
I think it's both, the emperor was correct about religion being a shackle but 40k and the church shows how strong faith can be, without the religious fervour of the imperium humanity wouldn't have survived without Big E and the Primarchs, the imperial truth is great when you have a golden avatar fighting and directing us all but once he goes you need something to hold people together Ironically the worship of the emperor saved his creations and his charges
@theodoremccarthy4438
@theodoremccarthy4438 Жыл бұрын
@@patchez058 in the context of the setting the implications of the outcome of the Emperor’s position are that strictly secular societies are: 1. Based on a false ideology (i.e. the Imperial Truth) 2. Maintainable only through brutality and mass murder (i.e. the purge of Monarchia) 3. Sought not only in defiance of abstract evils (the Chaos “Gods”) but also in defiance of human nature (which fuel said “Gods”) Keep in mind that both the authors and audience of the HH novels knew the Emperor would fail in his goal. It’s telling that the authors set him up to fail for being a secularist who lied to his followers rather than for actively trying to set himself up as a god. If he had been portrayed as failing due to deliberately setting up a religious system then the underlying critique of the novels would have been aimed at religion. Instead the authors are implicitly telling us, “lying to your followers and enforcing secularism doesn’t work”.
@theodoremccarthy4438
@theodoremccarthy4438 Жыл бұрын
@@PodreyJenkin138 yes, but you have to remember that it was the lie of the imperial truth which doomed the Imperium to suffer the Horus Heresy, as it left the Emperor’s sons and followers unprepared and unprotected in the face of Chaos. Religion in the setting can be and has been abused, but it is also canon in the setting that real faith is the only defense against spiritual evil. The lesson there isn’t the religion is a shackle, but rather that like the Imperium itself it is a necessity which powerful men sometimes abuse for their own ends.
@PodreyJenkin138
@PodreyJenkin138 Жыл бұрын
@@theodoremccarthy4438 eh, unbelief in 40k has it's own virtue, the Great crusade ran into numerous warp and chaos effected humans and xenos and didn't suffer immediate corruption, mostly due to not having a faith based mindset to twist, their lack of emotionalism shielded them 40k shows over and over that religious thinking is often the reason why humans can be twisted to chaos so suddenly, take logar for example, if he wasn't so desperate for a godhead to worship he wouldn't have been so misled by chaos, he said himself "These gods actually answer me and want me to worship them" if he was atheistic and loyal like the rest he wouldn't have drank the Kool aid which happens over and over again for many imperial citizens for 10k years The emperor was right primitive religion is a shackle for the mind if it's false, only when 40k reveals that belief has merit due to the warp does the imperial cult and chaos find value Are you religious irl by chance?
@GangusBong1
@GangusBong1 Жыл бұрын
No we all want to be sargent mkoll
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