Understanding How the 5 7x28mm Cartridge Functions and The Brass Coating Elite Ammunition

5.7x28mm Brass Coating Elite Ammunition
Finally once and for all. The 5.7x28mm brass needs the coating to function and NO it doesn't have a damn thing to do about feeding from the P90 magazine.
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[@BuffRANGE]

Even some of the newer guys sometimes think the coating isn't needed, and I can't get them past the fact they are doing more work to remove the coating then to wash it.

[@terrykissner8426]

I have been reloading all kinds of high power shells for 55 year and this is the most informative info I have ever watched Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

[@EliteAmmunition]

10.30.23 Update to this video, We will be selling soon the coating premixed in spray can form!

[@Kont3xt]

Love this! I learn more about all things 5.7 × 28 than I do from all other gun channels combined. Very much appreciate the education!

[@realworldpewpew]

Thank you Jay. Very good information . Can't wait for the T6B to come back online.

[@groovy3870]

Got my 5.7.. I wish I had studied the reloading before I bought it. Didn't know it was the most complicated ammo to ever reload.

[@EliteAmmunition]

Not really just a couple of things to worry about. Please see this video where I address it directly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoiwnqGdmMp3n7ssi=I2g-rmDt9vVLSjpy

[@6NBERLS]

Most excellent. I learned a lot.

[@djryan8944]

Good tips. Thanks!

[@thekraken1173]

I knew it. 5.7x28 works like a pseudo API Blowback. No resource lists P90 and Five Seven as API Blowback guns but they kinda are. They are similar to Oerlikon guns indeed. Great video 👍🏻. I have a question though. If someone made a fluted chamber gun in 5.7 like an MP5, would it work without the coating?

[@EliteAmmunition]

No sure, it would be pretty costly and why since the brass comes coated . It would be an engineering exercise.

[@4g63a1]

Im going down a rabbit hole now on 5.7 reloading.

[@EliteAmmunition]

Make sure to watch this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoiwnqGdmMp3n7ssi=BuYvpfbE2ASgmyPe

[@frankbrowning328]

Great information!!! Nice presentation explaining how it works and how to stay safe. Now it's easy to understand why we haven't seen a bunch of bolt action guns in 5.7. I've never had any interest in a 5.7 pistol of semiauto rifle, but I was interested in a bolt action rifle strictly for handloading. Not anymore. This is a specialty cartridge that requires far more prep and considerations than anything else I reload for. In the end for me it simply isn't worth the trouble.

[@EliteAmmunition]

That's why Savage never brought their bolt action to market. They had to flute the chamber and that increased manufacturing costs to more then they wanted. The head Engineer on the project owns the one R&D Savage rifle. He asked Savage to sell it tohi and they did. The off the shelf action that could work really well is the Ruger 10/22. Many folks forget they made a beefed up 10/22 action in 44mag for hunting. So the 10/22 platform would be a great jumping off point for a semi rifle besides the carbine they make based on their pistol.

[@frankbrowning328]

​@@EliteAmmunition2:28 I remember the 44 mag autos. They were actually the 1st and not the 10/22. They tried later to reintroduce another design in 44 mag many years later but it wasn't around very long. Same with the 10/22 22 mag. I wish they still made the original 44mag auto. The old used ones are very expensive today

[@IbanezGuitarz87]

Great video Jay! Thank you! Looking forward to buying your brass and coating.

[@ShastaBean]

thanks for explaining at 14:08. I was just pondering this 2 days ago about whether someone would come out with a bolt-action and perhaps longer barrel for a varmint-sniper build.

[@Napoleon-Smoot]

Excellent knowledge and engineering.

[@shooteveryday1841]

Awesome- I feel like the market would love a bolt 5.7

[@whiskysaint956]

Always great videos, but this has been the best yet. Excellent explanation, can’t thank you enough for getting this info out.

[@EliteAmmunition]

Amazes me folks like these long drawn out boring videos. Due to demand I will be making some armor shooting vids soon.

[@matthewtmarfield7861]

Greetings! My reloading spans about forty five years, and I thought that I had the "coating issue" handled... Hmmm. I have about fifty once-fired cases that I un-coated for "midrange" cast bullet loads; it looks like I'll be OK with these under-maximum loads, but should endeavor to protect the coating on brass for hotter jacketed reloads. For the handloader, it's a shame about the shoulder blowing forward as a necessary part of the pressure cycle, as this overworks the brass. However, it sounds like if handloaders stay away from maximum loads, five to six reloads can be expected. Thank You for your insights!

[@EliteAmmunition]

We will have our coating out soon. It will be in pre-mixed Aerosol spray can dispenser

[@Porschedoctor1]

Great informative video. I’m one of those longtime reloaders, but am open learning new ideas. Thanks.

[@petrkarv]

Great video. Super informative. Even for the people that will never reload. Always good to know how your firearm/tool works and why. Thanks.

[@tbell1962]

Thank you for the excellent video.

[@melissasmess2773]

Thank you for the detailed explanation Jay! I definitely learned some things about the cartridge. Is the new S&W M&P 57 safer with its rotating bolt locked breech operation? Thanking you in advance for your reply!

[@EliteAmmunition]

Not sure, still waiting on my S&W, I refused to over pay even at the distributor level for one. My concern with the S&W is the rotating barrel. The metallurgy has to be spot on with the lugs. Combine that with all the cost cutting in manufacturing lately that has me concerned.

[@VegasMikeP229]

Great video!! I didn't realize the left-over coating in the chamber needs BrakeKleen to remove so that will happen later today. Thanks for that. I polished the feed ramp and chamber on my Sig P229 Legion with 3,000 grit wet/dry. Will that do the job on my 57?? Cut a slot in a wooden dowel, slide in the w/d, then use an electric drill to get the spinning?? Again, thanks for the excellent explanations!!

[@EliteAmmunition]

Car Clean to remove and fun fact if you call FN support they tell you to do that now after for about 10years telling people NOT to listen to me and do that. I use mothers and homemade polishing rods. I have never found anything I like off the shelf so like many of the other things I need for the FsN I made them myself.

[@VegasMikeP229]

@@EliteAmmunition To use Mothers means the chamber is pretty smooth to begin with. Cleaned it with BrakeKleen and then did the 3,000 grit on a wooden dowel for maybe ten seconds. Wow, is that thing smooth!! Slid the wooden shaft of a q-tip on the chamber walls and felt *no* resistance. Smooooth! Read the chamber with a digital micrometer and before I started, as far as the mike would reach (maybe 1/2") it read 0.03325". Got done with my little polishing and it read the same. Thanks for the help!!

[@ShastaBean]

you mention using the carb-cleaner "after you shoot"...is there any sort of ballpark round-count that a person should get rid of the lacquer in the chamber? Thanks!

[@EliteAmmunition]

No round count. I say this because depending on how cured the coating is sometimes it comes off very easily and if it's older ammo hardly at all. Just make a habit of a quick carb cleaner soaked Q-tip swab wiping. Once you perform a full cleaning keeping the chamber clean is easy if you just swab it. Only takes seconds.

[@ShastaBean]

@@EliteAmmunition thanks!

[@erikring8870]

Apparently, MP 57 doesn’t need the coating for a because of the tilting barrel.

[@EliteAmmunition]

OK the M&P barrel rotates and again that has noting do with the round needing the coating to properly function. Watch all of the video.

[@melissasmess2773]

I’m hoping English is your second language 😂

[@gruntspy44]

Saddens me you have to explain things like the whole world is retarded..... but I totally understand. And you talk facts. You are still the 5.7x28 Yoda.

[@EliteAmmunition]

Is what it is.

[@PineyJustice]

A bit late, but while expensive, what do you think of coating cases with cerakote microslick? It seems that it would tick every required box aside from being expensive.

[@EliteAmmunition]

I tried it. Not flexible enough and to thick. All of my powder measures have been coated in it inside and out, and slider assemblies. In fact it comes in colors and we use the colors to color code powder measures. Each of our loads has it's own measure so we are't wasting time adjusting and wearing out that portion of the measure.

[@PineyJustice]

@@EliteAmmunition That's a really good idea, I might have to pick up a bottle of it for that since it gets annoying having to graphite powder measures. Thanks for the answer, looking forward to the rock cam upgrade part.

[@EliteAmmunition]

@@PineyJustice Years ago I used powdered graphite also, FYI for anyone who does not know this. When you handle your gun powder during handloading the fine black power you get on your hands is NOT gun powder but graphite. Graphite is inert and used as a lubricant ON the gun powder. When the cerakote slick first came out my dipping guy suggested I give it a try. I had wanted NP3-Plus from Robar but the cheap pot metal powder measure bodies can't handle the tanking and plating procedure. I have been really happy with the cerakote slick.

[@herrerajoey2]

Thanks for the very informative video. Any idea when you might have your P90 LoMount Red Dot mount in stock?

[@EliteAmmunition]

Soon I am re working them to make them better. I just was not happy with the final version.

[@herrerajoey2]

@@EliteAmmunition cool, thanks! Looking forward to ordering on from you!

[@renosmith9931]

Can you wax the case to help keep case from sticking

[@EliteAmmunition]

In the chamber? NOPE heat and pressure.

[@Bonafied305]

Hey jay, are you going to get any ammo in stock soon? I been waiting specifically for that elite ammunition batch

[@jaysbrewreviews5031]

SOON very SOON

[@digitalpunk5365]

Excellent info. So about that elephant in the room…when’s the next batch of t6b coming? Lol

[@eltenda]

High tech ciao from venezia!

[@triggerbarPhD]

Does the M&P 5.7 work the same way with its gas system?

[@EliteAmmunition]

Does not matter the actin, the coating is there for the function of the cartridge.

[@triggerbarPhD]

@@EliteAmmunition I thought it was because of the way the guns chambered it, couldn’t someone do a different chambering for the 5.7 cartridge? (Obviously you know the M&P doesn’t do that) but generally speaking could it be done ?

[@EliteAmmunition]

@@triggerbarPhD NO, it is fundamental to the function of the round. Has NOTHING to do with platform.

[@triggerbarPhD]

@@EliteAmmunition interesting. I misunderstood your description of it when you said you cut the barrel apart and so I thought it had to do with the barrel chamber. Thanks!

[@kevinlong7363]

Do you have an estimate of when the coating will be available?

[@richrhocks]

Hey Jay, could you use 91% isopropyl alcohol to clean the coating buildup from the chamber as well or is carb cleaner the only thing that works?

[@EliteAmmunition]

91% really does not very well, red label 91% is what I use as one of my main cleaners around the shop. Acetone works but the vocs is very high. Walmart or parts store carb clean is the best. If you are someplace that restricts that like LA county I would look and see what kind of paint thinner or paint stripper you can get.

[@richrhocks]

@@EliteAmmunition what does the residue look like on the patch? What color is it?

[@EliteAmmunition]

@@richrhocks Black with shaving of brass in it. Much like the crap you clean out of your firing pin channel. I don't let it get bad, after every time I fire my FsN I run a paper sticked Q-Tip through the chamber soaked in card clean. With all the FsN's I customize I go trough at least 1 to 2 can of CC a week.

[@EliteAmmunition]

@@richrhocks You next question, Cleaning the firing pin channel????? See here FsN PMCS kzbin.info/aero/PLu1oX3TpCFA1wTsdbylFEaDloo3HNZQw9

[@richrhocks]

@@EliteAmmunition Thanks for posting the other link. I have another video of yours like that saved in my playlist..this one is even more detailed. The reason I asked the color is because I got some residue on the patch that was yellow looking; I thought for a minute it could have been some leftover Hoppes.

[@jonleone777]

Can you use clear spray lacquer from home depot

[@EliteAmmunition]

No, it does not hold up at all. It's not even commercial/industrial grade like our coating it. We have it up on our page right now. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXyTkH6qpNWfmcUsi=2fIXEdxWlnhTvBg6

[@Saper29345]

What makes your coating any different than the permalac label its covering? If they make you a special formulation then why do they waste the money of keeping a permalac satin lacquer label on the can? Not trying to be an a hole, just genuinely curious.

[@EliteAmmunition]

They make the bulk coating in 5 gallon drums that they stock and sell retail. You then have to mix it with the correct solvent, you can use three but only one works for use on coating cases. I was going to sell the coating in one qt.cans. Enough for a lifetime of cases. The labeling and MSDS bs was to much. Had I brought it to market you would still have to blend it, I was going to provide the ratio that works perfect for brass cases, then use some form of spray application system. Instead I approached them. They will make the blend it to order with the right mix in the can but again made to order and you have to buy in bulk. Min 12 can case. They have to have their info on the can, they were going to make custom labels for me but I would have had to buy 5k labels. Instead I arranged with them to be able to add my label to their default label.

[@Saper29345]

@@EliteAmmunition thanks for taking the time to reply!

[@dalechambers5234]

all ammo sold out🤔

[@EliteAmmunition]

Yep this Friday we are doing a T6B and S4 drop

[@flipitflagpole1328]

I want to see proof, of fueler fact of it 5.7 fueler thank you

[@EliteAmmunition]

fueler fact??????????????

[@yahra_el]

EA pistol? Elite 57? #longlivetherepublic

[@jkelley2091]

Hi Jay, Are you selling brass yet?

[@EliteAmmunition]

All supplies are going into manufacturing.