Understanding The Last Judgement - Seattle Talk

[@yukey2587]

Your lectures on Christian symbolism are food for my tired soul. The truths of God are discussed in a new, refreshing way.

[@sagesolomon7885]

Thats Orthodoxy 👌

[@TheDjpenza]

You mean an old refreshing way :)

[@yukey2587]

@@TheDjpenza uh, yeah, that's right!

[@simonedefilippo6389]

You are not you're tired soul,you are the witness

[@avvemacke8685]

Watched this as a youth leader in a church. I’m encouraged to take this to them. Thank you 🙏

[@samuelweah272]

Thanks brother Jonathan for your time you have for better world may our ancestors bless you

[@Fr_Mitch]

Brilliant! I was particularly struck by your description of Judgment in the eternal now -- accepting the host into oneself compresses time such that we are partaking in the birth, suffering, death, resurrection, ascent and return of Christ all at once. Luke 17:20-21 "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

[@dwright4u7]

I am blessed by you and thank God every day for placing you in my reality. This may be weird to hear from a random internet person but I love you Jonathan. Thank you for standing up.

[@nicolesimonealexander4639]

Watching this the first Sunday of Advent and it fits so well.

[@SimpleAmadeus]

This is the first time that I realize that the holy father Abraham is the symmetry to the holy mother Mary, being the ultimate human father, bringing forth the seed (pattern) that yields Christ's union with mankind, in the same way that the holy mother Mary is the ultimate human mother, bringing forth the flesh that yields Christ's union with mankind. With every new thing I learn about God's design for mankind's salvation, it becomes ever more beautiful in its fullness, completeness, and elegance. The beauty just doesn't end. Praise be to our holy and beautiful God!

[@David_A._Ream]

I too was brought up Protestant. After a few latter years being disillusioned then after a trial period I have become even stronger in faith. For many years I would attend multi-denominational churches but of late I prefer the Catholic service best. Meanwhile I find, much to your credit, a hunger to understand more of the Orthodox Church. Thank you so much & God bless!!!

[@iamchristian5735]

Well delivered Jonathan You are very wise young man full of wisdom. God bless you take care Thanks for feeding us this Truth

[@heritic1hero]

Thanks for your work Mr. Pageau!

[@igniortix]

Loved the video. The thing that I liked the best was the relation you made between the animals spitting out people and Jonah being set free of the whale, when I saw that I thought "aha! That is redemption". The comparisson between the different symbols and images REALLY helps. Keep up the good work and hope you don't get in trouble for showing the unorthodox symbols haha

[@matthew13711]

The Beasts spitting up the Humans helped me to understand as well. Until now I thought it was consumption.

[@carlosbaez1937]

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[@bluemeeni1658]

Yet again that was great teaching.

[@elusivemayfly7534]

Thanks!

[@fragwagon]

I'd love to see more videos from you on iconography, particularly your own work in carving.

[@ivanmccall99]

You articulation and knowledge is amazing, can you do a video on literature you like?

[@AlexSmith2]

Fascinating!

[@MRizzio]

Amazing lecture Jonathan. We need you in South Texas🤠

[@jasonaus3551]

This was eye opening

[@matthew13711]

Brilliant explanation about the depth of theology in iconography and the holistic understanding of humanity and salvation in Orthodox Christianity ✊🏿😁☦️

[@Bill-Sama-Gates-Laden]

this was wonderful

[@juliepaine532]

Just listened to this content on podcast. So good, Jonathan. I have too many thoughts to just post them here. What would Our world be like if everyone understood this reality expressed in this icon and lived each day as if what they saw was both here and now and in the end of all things? What would my life be like if I did so? Lord have mercy. Thank you for sharing what you’ve been given with us.

[@lorichandler6387]

Wow! I love this so much! Thank you for sharing!

[@im.not.him._o]

Thank you for posting these talks. I find them immensely refreshing and invigorating. I spend so much of my time with my, "head in the clouds," that there is a sort of comfort seeing you trying to "get higher up." Mr. Pageau, I recently watched the movie "Mother,' and at the very least I would reccomend it to you. The film is absolutely BURSTING with symbolic and archetypal truths. I was honestly shaken by it. It got a terrible reception by the public, which I believe is in part due to the deteriorating relationship to the underlying transcendental reality that the story of the movie is so desperately trying to explore. I would love to hear how you think we can continue to bring the reality of the kingdom to those who have lost their sight. though I'm not a Christian per se, I do believe in transcendant experience, and I believe that it's our connection to the symbols, archetypes, gods, whatever you want to call them. that keeps us bound up with the principle that keeps us going - whatever that means. Again, thank you Jonathan. This guy appreciates you. :]

[@jimzaf267]

One of the best things I have seen.

[@jaybird6034]

Thank you sir

[@gigiduru6113]

there is a interesting representation of it in Romania at the Voronet Monastery mister Pageau. i think it worth the effort of searchig for it. has more details and it is more dynamic than the one you presented.

[@xlubu411x]

So I guess the whole "leave room for Jesus" idea was started way before high school dances.

[@modernexistence4206]

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[@OizysPonos]

thanks bro. solid content.

[@dragonheart3328]

Great video Johnny. Can you make a video about the core theological differences between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, or the difference between the East and the West.

[@veilofreality]

a little late, but check out Jay Dyer if you haven't already

[@rand0md00d3]

Off topic, but I would love to see an analysis (or at least what you think) of Dante Aligheri's books. I am still wondering if it contradicts the Bible or if it fleshes out some parts.

[@paulafragomeni]

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[@rand0md00d3]

@@paulafragomeni Thank you!!

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

Dear Jonathan! We live in Sonora near the new St Catherine of Sinai monastery with Mother Catherine. I hope we get to meet you soon and give you a tour of our 8000 square foot beeswax candle factory warehouse where we also make mounted print icons of those created by Fr Luke Dingman! We are praying that God guides us so that this entire property continues to be for the Glory of the Trinity and the Holy Theotokos long after we repose! In Christ Elias & Michaela Union

[@darleneroach2848]

Beautiful representation Jonathan!!! The perfect sacrifice is placed on the cross daily by all humanity within our individual relationship with our Creator. I am the thief on the right side, I am also the thief on the left side of my Creator. The character of each thief is being totally transformed into The Full Image of the mind of God, His full righteous character through His abundant love, His Passion for me within my relationship with Him. The perfect sacrifice (The Son of God) will do whatever it takes to bring the scattered remnants of me (the Left and the Right thief characteristics into the fullness of Himself. Complete, Whole Without Blemish. All Unrighteousness consumed by the Fire of His Passionate Love For Me. This is the final outcome of judgement for all mankind when all is said and done within each and every one of us; Because He Is The Perfect Sacrifice, The Only One Worthy Through Total Submission To The Will Of His Father’s LOVE For ALL Creation.

[@michaelmclaughlin7623]

Interpretation of the 39.30 minute mark of the fire river, 🔥, the river is flowing out of the throne into the mouth of the Beast, it is important to understand that the people are not flowing into the mouth of the Beast, they are trying to escape it, some of them are further on their Journey than others, some of them are in the middle getting teased and tempted and there are others that are unfortunately returning down the river back into the mouth of the Beast, I hope this will help anyone who is trying to understand what the story of Jonah and the resurrection is really about

[@susanq382]

Can you do a video on the painting that hangs in the United Nations security council room.

[@mednios]

Doesn't rainbow also mean God's covenant with mankind? Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

[@uchechukwuibeji5532]

Both are correct. It's not a subversion from what I understand. It's a bridge between Heaven and Earth just as covenants serve as a bridge/meeting point between Heaven and Earth as well.

[@larrygoatfish1000]

I heard my priest preach a sermon on this last week, and he said the rainbow is also symbolic of God hanging up his bow (like the weapon) in the clouds. The fact that it’s facing up shows that it’s not pointing towards earth but towards heaven, which is apparently a nod to when Jesus is sacrificed on the cross.

[@analysisparalysis7595]

Hello Jonathan, I was thinking I might take the time at some point to add greek subtitles to this video (and maybe other ones) but you haven't allowed community contributions for captions. Is there a reason? If not it would be great if you allow them! :) Thanks!

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

We here at Union of All Icons have the license to print/mount Fr Luke’s icons and our Shopify store will be up soon!

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

What took you so long? 🤣

[@maryadjalal5435]

Any chance you could come to France and do some presentations in French?

[@rand0md00d3]

That'd be amazing.

[@MikesBibleNotes]

@Jonathan Pageau Have you done a video explaining the logo on your t-shirts, and that greets us at the beginning of your videos?

[@PlasticMachines]

Can you look into the whole "Iron John "thing? You may have done so already. I'll check.

[@Ardlien]

The left and right hand really remind me of the idea of sophrosyne compared to conscious virtue.

[@sparrowsparrow4197]

jesus said " all that the father gives me will come to me and i will not lose one of them" he makes it undeniably clear how many the father gives him and how many therefore he will save when he says "when i am lifted up i will cause all people to come to me" not only masses of christians and many many orthodox church fathers believe him in the first five hundred years after the resurection but also respected orthodox scholars like segi bulgakov nikolai berdyaev and david bentley hart also believe the lord a good lovely faithfull to jesus book to read is "the inescapable love of god" by thomas talbot god bless you all in all ways

[@Spl1nter699]

47:58 Why is Pente- and Cost separated? Is there any connection to the idea of "repentance"

[@olgakarpushina492]

Pentecost is a Greek word meaning 50 days. It's when the Holy Spirit came over the apostles on the 50th day after the Resurrection. Has nothing to do with repentance.

[@1lobster]

I've found a lot of Christian messages in harry potter, can you make a video about that?

[@mrfuriouser]

J.K. "borrowed" just about everything she wrote in the series- I don't think one could (cohesively, anyway) put forth an erudite Christian interpretation of such. It is a mish-mash of many things which do not belong together.

[@1lobster]

mrfuriouser, I'm pretty shore jk was a Christian at the time she wrote harry potter.

[@scaeroci]

If you are seriously interested in the Christian symbols used in Harry Potter, you must check out the several books by John Granger, especially "Unlocking Harry Potter" and "The Deathly Hallows Lectures." Very rich analysis of what is truly present in the stories, coming from a traditional, Orthodox Christian perspective. Of course, any reflections from Jonathan would be most welcome! (And yes, JK has not hidden the fact that her Christian faith is embedded in the work.)

[@Kolajer]

@@scaeroci John GRANGER? It doesn't get more synchronous than that. Or fanboyish. Or possibly both.

[@balauruldeaur1271]

the image from 18.15 is from an Romanian Church or Monastery.

[@petertuna2922]

Got the intro this time, nice ;)

[@LibertyGryphon]

This adds an alarming depth of meaning to toll House cookies 😉

[@shadfurman]

I've been thinking about all the stories of sacrifice. It seems there is a story for nearly every permutation of possible sacrifice and they all foreshadow Christ. They weave together like an incredible web that's hard to untangle in fullness. Paraphrase: Abel and Cain. Brothers. Correct and incorrect sacrifice. Blessing and resentment. Cast out. Isaiah and Ishmael. Brothers. Seemingly incorrect sacrifice, turns to out to ve sacrifice. Blessing and resentment, but then redemption and blessing. Sacrifice of Isaac. Sacrifice of what is most valuable, but because the sacrifice is attempted, Isaac is saved. Joseph of Egypt. He's not sacrificed, in fact he's fawned over, which results in his sacrifice (opposite of Isaac). Joseph makes all the correct sacrifices, he's not blessed till the end. He becomes Prince of a foreign land. Lots of foreshadowing with testing his brothers, who find redemption. There's so many layers that come together in the end, I'm still processing it. Prodigal son. Correct sacrifice, incorrect sacrifice, like Ishmael the prodigal son returns and is blessed, but then his brother is resentful. Christ and Lucifer. Correct sacrifice, incorrect sacrifice. Blessing resentment. Cast out. Christ makes all the correct sacrifices, and doesn't get blessings. Most valuable sacrifice, which because it's made, he becomes Prince so the prodigal son (us) may return and find redemption. All the pieces come together. Nearly every single element in a story of sacrifice, points towards Christ, and is reflected in the story of Christ. I'd love to see your analysis on the stories of sacrifice if you haven't done one yet. The elements of correct sacrifice, forgiving each other our trespasses, and shouldering each others burdens are what being about heaven IMO. Incorrect sacrifices, resenting others their perceived trespasses, and not shouldering a load brings on weakness, nihilism, and hell.

[@MatthiasPendragon]

Thank you so much for sharing this early, this was fascinating. This is a bit off topic, so I understand if you do not address it here, but I think my comment was lost in the shuffle of a previous video. In previous videos, when you talk about Santa Claus existing, I think I understand what you mean. Obviously he has attributes, an effect on the world, some sort of ontology. He does, in fact, exist. My question is, do you think that Santa Claus exists in the sense that he has conscious experience? Or is he an unconscious being? When you make the jump from Santa to angels, and from angels to God, I feel like that is an important thing to clarify, as God surely has to be conscious in some way.

[@JonathanPageau]

I believe principalities have a form of consciousness and they have a form of will. We can understand this by analogy in how the consciousness of a nation could be said to culminate into its leaders, so a king must have a form of consciousness which is the consciousness of his kingdom. A king or a chief is the manner in which a group of people becomes conscious, but this can also be true of an invisible purpose. It is harder to see or to imagine when we think of the invisible principalities, the pure patterns, which guide and hold the world together, but the analogy is helpful to get a glimpse of that.

[@MatthiasPendragon]

@@JonathanPageau That makes sense. So if a nation gains conciousness (or maybe is "brought together") by a king, then God as the cosmic king, gives the universe (or rather, the people in it) consciousness. It isn't that people give God consciousness, but rather that he is both the source and the fufillment of all the patterns we see, including our awareness. Hopefully that isn't inane rambling, I'm still trying to get my head around the language and concepts.

[@christopherszymberski9569]

Thank you Jonathan! I love your work and am growing so much by listening and contemplating your words. A question: Abraham is holding a cloth which gathers the people of the world into paradise. There is a figure on the left hand of Christ, which has a similar cloth. What is the significance?

[@nevercanyoucant]

top tier content, the Prepare The Throne idea transposed onto the self is a particularly useful and healing analogy.... any literature on iconography you'd recommend?

[@tylerelliott4516]

Search 'Jonathan Pageau reading list', he's tweeted his first draft.

[@malachiwonder6800]

That we can lose ourselves beyond all hope is clear. And Yet. The warning in the garden was that if we ate of the fruit, we should surely die. From the moment of the fall, all hope was lost. Likewise, there was nothing mild or halfway about the warnings given to Israel at Sinai and before crossing the Jordan. The salvation of those of us who are already saved was not brought about because there appeared to be some reasonable hope from within the human condition, but because Christ broke in from the outside, and was a hope beyond any hope we had a right to imagine. That is why I believe all shall eventually come to Christ: yes, the curses laid out against those who die outside the church are firm and leave no space for hope, but that is no different than it has always been, and the Christ who died and rose is a hope which cannot be lost no matter how deep we descend.

[@IsaacsCOOLwhenitsHOT]

Also the Theotokos represents one who bears Christ within them while John displays instruction about Christ to those who do not know them. This may be another possible rendering of why Mary is on the right with the sheep and John is on the left with the goats

[@MGabrielValles]

The angels that change positions may be representing a figure of speech called chiasmus, which comes from the greek letter X (chi). X is the first letter of Christ's name in greek (ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ).

[@zekedog1990]

Question, who is the little red person usually held in the lap of the devil? It seems to be an inverse of Christ in the lap of the Theotokos. Is it supposed to be Judas, the antichrist, or a normal person?

[@adomalyon1]

Jonathon- A passage which has always struck me from Revelations- "And I saw a great beast rise up out of the sea, and upon its heads were written the names of blasphemy. " Could you give a quick interpretation of this? Is the beast with blasphemy on its head a representation of a demonic inverted order? The fact that it rises from the sea, is that representative of an imposter-type hierarchical order? And the multiple heads with written names of blasphemy? That one's got me a little stumped.

[@JonathanPageau]

I think you have the right direction. The names of blasphemy on the heads of the serpent out of the sea is an image of that inverted order which takes form just before or even as the rising floods come. The multiple heads in this case is the absence of unity, so it is multiplicity manifesting in a way that attempts flip things around, make multiplicity itself the top of the hierarchy, an upside down pyramid and so the names can only be the names of blasphemy which is to desacralize the sacred, the "abomination in the holy place". Democracy is a form of this.

[@adomalyon1]

Nice one, thanks Jonathon. If it is the same abomination that is mentioned in Daniel, 'Daniel 7:19-20 - Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass;' then the inversion of the 'nobility' of the metals, from the dream of Nebuchadnezzar, would be in tune with that, Iron on top, brass in the middle, etc.

[@WilliamEllison]

What I don't understand. Explain the Iron on top, brass in the middle, etc part. I get what you and Jon are saying about the beast coming out of the sea, and all that, but how did you correlate that with Daniels 7:19-20. I'm out of study for a few years now.

[@adomalyon1]

In Nebuchadnezzar's dream there is a statue which is a symbol of heirarchy. It has a head of gold, then below that silver, then down to the baser metals ending in iron. The beast in Daniel seems to be an inversion of that order, just as the multiplicity at the top of the beast in revelations is a reflection of inverted heirarchy.

[@WilliamEllison]

Oh I see. Nice, thank you.

[@wolfgangkotz5555]

nice adverts in the middle of the lecture what kind of icon is that then

[@matthewmadeira7892]

request: the symbolism behind the Judas archetype please

[@villiestephanov984]

Jesus of Nazareth. ( Judas Iscariot !) (( The other Judas , not Iscariot , represent all Macabee as the sons of Jesse ))

[@nikolaoskal7438]

Judas was a real person, not an archetype.

[@1lobster]

hallo! can you make more videos about kids movies?

[@brookejohnson5504]

Is there any where I could read more about the left hand of God?

[@vid30snake]

Adaptation to the edge of chaos

[@disruptivetimes8738]

This is all quite interesting and I really apprechiate your insights on the matter, you are a true expert in things like that, but by having seen all your videos, there is one question that comes to my mind every time. Who were those guys that made those images in the first place? Well, I mean there is an obvious consistency in the symbolic language for thousands of years and I guess the symbols were also older than the bibel itself, so there must be some kind of an ongoing tradition by which this kind of knowledge was transmitted to a whole lot of people. Considering that in those images there is also quite a lot of profund psychological wisdom codified makes it even more mysterious, at least for me. See, in order to be able to transmit this kind of knowledge in such a symbolic way, you not only have to understand it, but you also must be able to turn in back into this kind of "green language" to transmit it further through time, if you know what I mean. Where are those people and why they never became a part of our present culture since they obviously knew a whole lot more for a way longer period of time compared to any other person at any given time in history and even modern psychology only slowly approach concepts presented in this ancient symbols. Where did they come from, where did they go? I have a hard time to imagin some kind of priest dictating a skilled craftsman what he should paint or build since those images are so detailed that the creator itself must be the one who had this knowledge already and a simple priest, speaking in front of the curch all day simply does not fit here as the primary source. What do you think?

[@maligjokica]

in orthodoxy we have the thing called "holy oral traditions".Its passed from one generation to another by practise and corect belife(orthopraxis and orthodoxy).All that you saed is not a one man work,its as we called LIVED tradition,that knowleg is not gone ITS HERE still. the problem with the protestant west is that is get rid of the whole oral tradition as a reaction of the coruption of the Rome(holy oral tradition can be corupted if the ballenace of orthodoxy(rigth belife) and ortopraxis(rigth deeds,rituals and practises) is broken.Roman catholicsism is exsample of it, and protestant west is esample of geting completly rid of it. p.s in one monastery in Macedonian there is a iconostas(from wood) wich is master piece of it self where the craftmens them selfs where ilitare,but the monks read from the holy scirture to the craftsmen and they made the images in the wood. And they craft the proces it self in the end of the iconostas(one monk reding from a book and two man working in the wood):)). the craftsmen did not know how to write but while they where making the iconostatis(3-4 years)they lived with the monks(as the monk do) every day and easly get the stuf that was read to them. see..:))) perfect balance between rigth fate and rigth practise

[@bright-noise]

I don’t think they were consciously created by people who completely understood what these images represent, rather the symbols are part of a large collection of stories that were passed down generation by generation through the oral tradition which separated the wheat from the chaff over time. When everything is passed down orally over a long period of time certain things are obviously forgotten, so over time only the most profound and insightful stories and symbols are the ones that are remembered and built upon. So the whole symbolic structure began like a block of marble, a large, more dissonant collection of stories and symbols, that was slowly carved out and eventually fine tuned over many generations of distillation and refinement as the stories are retold, reimagined, or forgotten countless times over. In this way I think the apparent genius of them is not due to any individual participants understanding of the whole picture but the participation of several generations which together have forged, I would say largely unconsciously, a coherent symbolic structure. In other words their complexity isn’t due to an elite, enlightened group of people that have since disappeared but the result of thousands of years of slow development in the consciousness of each generation. By the time the structure and stories were written down they had already reached a high level of complexity, and the newly accessible medium of the written word and iconography opened up more frontier for further refinement.

[@disruptivetimes8738]

@@bright-noise Ah, of course! Totally forgot about some kind of study done to figure out how to transmit knowledge through time the most reliable way and they found that if you have a story that resembles archetypical figures, the story itself changes in details and content, names and places over time, but the archtypical symbolism in its structure stays the same, even if the story cross cultures. That make sense, like if you say the wheat seperates from the chaff over time and those stories remain which retained the most consistent symbolism that have the strongest impact on people, like a self preserving mechanism. And it also make sense that those stories get refined over time to come even closer to the perfect archetypical appearence. Thank you for reminding me there!

[@bright-noise]

@@disruptivetimes8738 Np, sounds like a really interesting study btw I'll have to see if I can find that

[@komainmainamcharoen902]

Where is st. Joseph in this picture?

[@BestIsntEasy]

I don't want to do this anymore. I'm sorry for lighting fire under rear ends. Futility. 🏁

[@samue1271]

Thanks Jonathan - very interesting. I'm sure you know, but in England we actually call it 'snakes and ladders'. Who is the lady holding the empty cloth, mirroring Abraham with his children? Also, you will have to elaborate at some point on the comment you made regarding going to heaven and it not being the case that we float around incorporeally when we die.

[@JonathanPageau]

I could never figure that one out, sorry! As for "heaven", the final image in Revelations is a new heaven and a new earth, a cosmic structure with a city and a garden in the center of all of this. This is an existence which involves the bodily as well as the heavenly, it is not a denial of the body and of the earth.

[@samue1271]

That question will haunt me now! RE: Heaven - if I follow correctly, you mean to say at 30:10 that 'heaven' as afterlife for your soul when you die - separate from the eschatological image of new heaven and earth (paradise) and bodily resurrection - is a misunderstanding of the Christian doctrine? I think you need to do a video on the afterlife and bodily reincarnation...

[@RogerTheil]

Oh so that's where the board game comes from... Dunno if you have the game over there, but Snakes and Ladders is a very popular game for young children here in the States.

[@RogerTheil]

Oh I'm sorry, it's chutes and ladders, same symbolism.

[@philippawesterman8843]

Jonathan, could it be the Mother of Harlots, Mystery Babylon the Great of Rev 17? Seems to be with the four beasts - the lion, bear, leopard, terrible beast, and the angel of the trumpets.

[@ethanfrye31]

Saint Spyridon in Seattle?

[@Spl1nter699]

30:30 So "Reincarnation" IS the state of existence.

[@MikesBibleNotes]

@Jonathan Pageau The Last Judgment icon used in your presentation is written by whom? Where can it be purchased? Thank you.

[@michaelidarecis]

With Jesus' Right Hand it is the ones God Chooses. On the left of Jesus are the ones that choose God by their will and Jesus PUSHES THEM AWAY! Praise Jesus, Michael Idarecis

[@josephk1589]

Where can I get the picture?

[@JuanArias-xr6je]

All the animals in the left side are the beasts of Revelation and Daniel, there is the harlot mounting in a lion

[@iancho91]

WAAAAAAAAAW thank you. I write you from argentina, so you'll have to forgive my grammar mistakes. I have a lot of questions, but i guess that's part of your analysis is about, not to be reductionist and expand the "simple understanding" of God and the bible by having reflextions in all the symbology. But i wanna to ask you about, and correct me if i'm wrong, your idea of Mary as the church or paradise. Because im a believer and i always found in the biblie that we, as the "holy people", are the body of christ, and christ himself is the head. Well i hope to be clear, and thanks again :)

[@maligjokica]

from St.Ander from Cesarea who wrote the explanation of the revelation of John is saed that the wowan with the stras around her head is a simobolic represantation of the church. the caracters can be confused .the person taht bwas next to Avraam in the paradise i thout it was sara and it was Mother of God:))

[@GraceSpunge]

The Last Judgement is the consummation of the process of consciousness in man, by which the external word and the internal Spirit (selfless/Lambic system) overcome the limbic system (selfish/carnal mind/Babylon) in the elect through epigenetic adult neurogenesis, rewiring the brain to/for the purposes of God (born again) (Galatians 3:5)(Isaiah 55:8-11)(Romans 12:2)(Proverbs 4:20-23)(John 12:48)

[@jacobforaker6222]

In God’s hand, holding the scales, are not souls to be judged, but saints, I believe. The rainbow is also representing God’s word/promises. Christ is sitting on God’s word/promises, as he judges.

[@7even235]

Was it not written not to paint any images of Heaven or things in it? We cannot comprehend anything in it or anyone in it. Imagery can be interpreted in many ways.

[@lGalaxisl]

So there’s a connection between the garments of skin and being devoured by these beasts? In both cases human flesh is surrounded by a layer of animality

[@JB-le4rb]

In Catholic theology we have purgatory as in Revelation nothing impure can enter the kingdom of God. In his First Letter to the Corinthians 3:10-15, St. Paul says that a Christian life can have its foundation only in Jesus Christ, but that on that foundation, the life we go on to live may be more or less worthy, as it’s constructed of works that conform more or less perfectly to Christ, or not at all. Much of what we do is unworthy of our Christian vocation and so, won’t survive judgment. Employing the important biblical typology of fire, Paul says that, “If anyone’s work will remain, which he has built up, he will receive a reward; if anyone’s work will be burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself, however, will be saved, but, in this manner: as through fire” 1 Corinthians 3:14-15. So in the Orthodox icon it's showing no fire at the Last Judgement only snakes and ladders. In regards to left handed yes it's a sign of disorder as the Catholic priests and nuns used to slap people with left hand writing but didn't slap my hand hard enough because I am still left handed. Left handed people are clumsy but I was pretty good at sports. But I am considered Ambidextrous people who have the ability to use both hands with equal dexterity. Coming from the Latin word ambidexter, which means “right-handed on both sides,” ambidextrous describes someone who can use either hand to write, swing a bat or catch a ball. Now that I think about I was contemplating whether to join the Catholic priesthood in my younger years and I bet the Bishop would have said Use your right hand for the Catholic Mass ritual as the right side is God. Right hand of the Father.

[@michaelidarecis]

When Jonah said "Salvation of Jehovah (YAHWAH)". THAT IS THE MEANING OF JESUS. Praise Jesus, Michael Idarecis

[@alanguedes7658]

I still struggle with it. Am I wrong being a Catholic or not? 😩

[@olgakarpushina492]

Pray about it and listen to the answer. You should know by now that real Christians are found in all denominations. There are as many Christians in name only among Catholics as there are among Protestans or other religious groups. I'm Orthodox and will not change it. But see if your church gives you the fullness of experience or if it's just a hobby club.

[@gamersomatic5395]

Love you bro ❤️

[@windyday8598]

wouldn't mary represent "the Word became flesh", and dwelt among us?

[@stevenanderson4515]

My question is this. Are the artist aware of these things and putting them in consciously. Or is it is from the place of the unknown.

[@youssefsammouh501]

If they arent copying, they must be aware

[@celienepaul5378]

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[@Jp-vp7vp]

So what do you have to do to be on the right hand of God

[@juliepaine532]

J p best question ever.

[@BestIsntEasy]

Pope has ordered all Vatican entities to transfer everything to Vatican bank by September 30th. It's presently September 20th, 5:13am. [5:13] It was a consequence of their violating the covenant that we condemned them, and we caused their hearts to become hardened. Consequently, they took the words out of context, and disregarded some of the commandments given to them. You will continue to witness betrayal from them, excepting a few of them. You shall pardon them, and disregard them. GOD loves those who are benevolent.

[@valuedCustomer2929]

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[@gigiduru6113]

there is an interesting teaching in the first book of Isaac the Syrian about the river of fire as the love of Christ which burns some and comforts the others; idea that is clearly illustrated here.

[@JamecBond]

51:00 If theirs a seed of hope, then its not the FINAL judgement, its merely a judgement. In the FINAL judgement there is no more chances.

[@sauvageaux]

❤

[@BestIsntEasy]

🚨🐍🚨 [5:19] O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you, to explain things to you, after a period of time without messengers, lest you say, "We did not receive any preacher or warner." A preacher and warner has now come to you. GOD is Omnipotent.* [5:15] O people of the scripture, our messenger has come to you to proclaim for you many things you have concealed in the scripture, and to pardon many other transgressions you have committed. A beacon has come to you from GOD, and a profound scripture. [5:16] With it, GOD guides those who seek His approval. He guides them to the paths of peace, leads them out of darkness into the light by His leave, and guides them in a straight path. [5:17] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, the son of Mary. Say, "Who could oppose GOD if He willed to annihilate the Messiah, son of Mary, and his mother, and everyone on earth?" To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. He creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.

[@user-yn2ct2ie9m]

So are the Jews on the right side of Christ while the rest of us gentiles are on the left?

[@Spl1nter699]

is there a difference between "Mary" and "The Mother of God" obviously Mary gave birth to Christ. But is being a mother to the son of God the same thing?

[@windyday8598]

#2.no climbing. we are raised out of the grave by christ, bringing us to the father.

[@Adomusk]

Jonathan, I know my comment doesn't have a direct relation with the talk, but I'd like you to talk about the symbolism in Greek Mythology.

[@maxsiehier]

34:40

[@JoyIsGod1]

Jonathan, it is always best to refer to Our Lord as Lord Jesus, it's more personal. Referring to Him as "Christ" is referring to Him by a title (Christ-Krystos-Messiah-Anointed One). It makes Him an impersonal abstraction. Lord Jesus needs to be made immediate and personal. People need Him. If this is not the focus , people will not be drawn. Steve

[@YoYo-wo3lm]

Steve .Dennehy saying lord Jesus is just Gunna scare Normies away

[@DefWorlds]

Why is Christ doing the Baphomet gesture?

[@heirofthesith970]

Baphomet does not have a monopoly on the gesture. Symbols can have different meanings. In this icon, I *suppose* that the gesture symbolises the ascension of those on the right and the fall of those on the left, the act of separating people in the Judgement.

[@michaelidarecis]

Paul is a direct disciple of Jesus as he was face to face with Jesus and is a picture of salvation of a proselyte of the Jews. Paul was a Hebrew not a Jew... Only Judas was a Jew. Praise Jesus, Michael Idarecis

[@ThuyTran-xn4fb]

Sound like left brain and right brain are in conflict we judge ourself due to our beliefs

[@windyday8598]

#1.we don't have to climb a ladder. the Father brings Jesus down into us for the asking. the holy spirit is the gift of God, Christ in you.