Doom Eternal - The Theory of the FUN ZONE

[@JoeNeutrino]

"I'm sorry you had a bad time but I'm glad they're not listening to you." Harsh but true.

[@HunterForHire422]

Double marauder in a nutshell

[@mondragon9282]

Best thing anyone has said about the combat system complaints!!

[@spawn9129]

I'm so glad they aren't listening to the whining.

[@martinstenevebenstad8208]

@@HunterForHire422 double marauder hype

[@HunterForHire422]

@Dill Pickle doubt it. The majority loved the game and all of its systems. It's the same thing with dark souls or any hard game. Just a bunch of complainers acting like every game should be only as hard as they can handle

[@rockkiller124]

I still believe that Doom Eternal is the pinnacle of the FPS, can't wait for DLC

[@thewanderingartists]

Facts !

[@xSpooKee]

Dill Pickle ok

[@rosca9]

Dill Pickle I’m sorry but you’re simply incorrect

[@TheGamingBurger734]

Someone call Hugo, Marty, Midnight, Spud & Mayo and every well known youtuber who played Doom Eternal to tell Dill Pickle over here that he is wrong. Im not doing this shit anymore

[@TheGamingBurger734]

You know what screw this shit, I can't have enough patience to prove this man wrong

[@DripTitan6988]

"I can't play with just one weapon, so my creativity is limited" lmao because only using one weapon is creative

[@ahums16]

@Dill Pickle Sorry it was a disappointment to you. For me, it's the most fun I have ever had in an fps. I also love the originals and Brutal. I'm sorry it's not what you wanted but I hope they don't listen to fans like you. And I'm glad thus far they have not, and from what they have said, will not.

[@phantom0464]

Remember the Mozambique in titanfall 2 tho? Stim and Mozambique *cough cough*

[@imtoddhowardandimadeskyrim6553]

@@phantom0464 that was fun. Yet I always used spitfire

[@masterdeity3400]

Hara Isbara That analogy is really perfect. My hat goes off to you.

[@darkranger116]

I guess no one was man enough to play through Doom 2016 with pistol and melee attacks only on UN difficulty. I guess the FPS genre is just filled with Overwatch fan boys now who want a game to force them to play a certain way. cool.

[@daniel-gu5zm]

does anyone else enjoy the way mayo is playing? so mesmerising.

[@underthemayo]

I try to play in a way that's entertaining to myself and viewers!

[@HunterForHire422]

@@underthemayo if you have fun playing people will have fun watching

[@mv2e19]

He's playing in the fun zone!

[@DarthEradicus5908]

He's in the fun zone.

[@damiancrowley569]

Yeah, he's a fucking beast. I play on nightmare and he still makes new feel like a noob

[@braxformer1982]

As a console player, I can safely say that when I'm in the "fun zone", then that's where doom really does shine, cause it feel a like a combo based game or fighting game

[@baalgar5530]

Dude a lot of people really underestimate us controller players

[@braxformer1982]

@@baalgar5530 amen to that brother

[@deadrock1678]

@@baalgar5530 Console Battlemode Slayer is broken.

[@baalgar5530]

NUTCool is it better on pc? It’s literally impossible to lose on console if you know what you’re doing

[@masterdeity3400]

Balgaar The Bold You have no idea, all I see is us console players being blamed for everything, even when most of the complaints come from people playing the game ON PC!!! I even see consoles being blamed for the death of arena shooters, like seriously? You’re blaming the incompetence of the devs NOT properly porting the arena shooters to console, on the players?

[@Allstin]

Wait a sec, microwave breaks the DH boss shield that quickly?

[@normalrachael]

Yeah it's a dummy quick way to break shields, and a lot easier too since the doom hunter moves around so much

[@underthemayo]

Yeah it actually melts him outside the shield too, it's crazy. Set up with a grenade and hes toast.

[@dunadan7136]

@@underthemayo i'd actually try this on a proper full run if i didn't already take heat blast for dealing with the first slayer gate

[@georgereeves8137]

Under The Mayo damn, another great use for the Microwave Beam? I was already abusing the hell out of it’s stun lock ability, might have to take advantage of this too

[@CamelEnjoyer]

I didn't know this either

[@underthemayo]

#ProtehMakeTheMod I can't believe I stayed up all night on that ridiculous thumbnail.... See the making of the Hugort Martinstein picture here!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZWpnX15i9CUjKc Special thanks to @coenkommer on twitter for the game cover. Link to NoClip interview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3OrepSil5Vkm9k If you like my content, consider supporting me on Patreon. patreon.com/underthemayo KZbin Memberships to my channel now available, click the "Join" button. Follow me on Twitch at twitch.tv/underthemayo Join the Discord: discord.gg/s4PEVcc

[@underthemayo]

@@HK-07 credit goes to @coenkommer on Twitter

[@sacha7607]

Its a good thumbnail, it surprised me

[@dishshammy6985]

great video, mayo.

[@ShadesMan]

Not "Capstone" pinnacle but an actually good pinnacle!

[@freddoomer3515]

@@underthemayo the reason why I've been playing more doom 2016 snap map because there's no new content for PC has all these new mods that I want to play but I don't have a PC and they just need to add a new master levels like come on some new content please before the DLC.

[@raptorprimal1077]

"I can't just use one weapon the entire game" Unlimited ammo cheat : Am i a joke to u?

[@georgereeves8137]

Tell me about it ‘I can’t use my favourite gun permanently in this game’ I got through the entire of one level using only the BFG because of that cheat.

[@mallow2902]

Haha BFG go BWOOOOOOP-ZIP-ZAP

[@hiranmaydas4921]

You need to be ashamed of yourself for using cheats

[@xshullaw]

It's boring af though.

[@House_MAL]

You can use 1 weapon the whole game though recently as a challenge run I beat it with nothing but the combat shotgun and it’s 2 mods

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

I totally agree that the DOOM hunter boss is the make or break point in the game, and I didn't get it. Leading up to it on Cultist Base, the first outdoor arena with multiple Mancubi was the thing that broke my first Nightmare run and forced me to step it down to UV (I just wanted to get through the game so I could watch reviews and speedrun at this point) and I wasn't playing the game right. I wasn't hot swapping and using all my items with twitch reflexes. On my current playthrough, I hit a wall at the exact same spot, on Nightmare. I was better at using my grenades and flamethrower, but still didn't really have the hot swapping down. I ground myself into a paste, trying to force myself to swap weapons, dying over and over again, and then the get actually crashed and I just went to bed. I woke up the next day, died a couple more times, leaned back and closed my eyes for a minute or two and just found a calm before sitting back up. Then something clicked and the whole game just totally broke open for me and it's fucking magic. I played through it once before, 1/3 on NM, then 1/3 on UV, then ending the last 1/3 on HMP (TBF I was working 70 hour weeks at the time, so part of my problem was just that I kept getting stuck and then not playing for 2 weeks and coming back stuck at a bad checkpoint while also being rusty.) Point is, I clearly still had enough fun playing it at a lower level to come back for more, but the game doesn't really "sing" until you completely nail a couple of core ideas and reflexes. Playing Doom Eternal right is like finally nailing a kick flip or playing a tricky chord or figuring out how to crack an egg with one hand; you can get away with working around learning the thing, but getting it right feels so good. Fucking up a mancubus in 2 seconds flat after it spent a whole level wiping its ass with you is soooooo satisfying, and nailing the skills that let you do that will also pay off for the rest of the game. I first got a shaky feel for the play with the Mancubi. I REALLY nailed in the trial by fire of the Doom Hunters, though. It forced me to perfect it and really force my brain to understand that this is how it needs to be done.

[@vargamarioalexan9853]

Doom eternal is the most fun experience i have ever had with a videogame yet. Can't wait for the DLC man.

[@sacha7607]

Stop sucking up

[@HunterForHire422]

@@sacha7607 stop being rude

[@sacha7607]

@Tri_playz Who taught you how to have low IQ, see how ridiculous that sounds? Everyone here is basing their comment on blind emotion without reason. It's pure nonsense, and I'll call you out.

[@dunadan7136]

@@sacha7607 That’s a lot of words for “if you don’t agree with my views you’re clearly emotional while I’m a bastion of reason” Anyone who claims to be driven purely by reason is either an idiot so stupid he doesn’t know about his stupidity or a compulsive liar.

[@sacha7607]

@@dunadan7136 You're stretching that one a bit far mate, I've heard some mad stretching this past few weeks but you must be elastagirl

[@Chilli_Tea]

bruh why is Johnny bugspray through time not a thing 👁👄👁

[@eugAOJ]

"Doom eternal made me play fps games differently" -Mayo Right here, this is truth. Doom eternal has literally changed the way i play shooters, i now constantly try to switch weapons, i try to weave and move around enemies, and one thing i always do for fps games now is remap all guns to 1 2 3 4, zxc, q and if possible mouse wheel up/down, for quick access.

[@Nediablo]

Same here. I'm really not any good mind you! I play with a controller. I beat the game on easy. Then I watched a few videos on tactics and how to improve myself as I really was having fun, I just knew I could be better. Today, I beat the Icon Of Sin on normal (it needed to happen as the longer he remains on Earth, the stronger he becomes). Yes I still used a controller, but with my better understanding on the mechanics, quick swapping, more sensible weapon mod switching etc, I can't wait to actually learn to play this and gear up for ultra violence with a keyboard and mouse. Soon, a nightmare run will happen I'm sure. And hey, I may be brave enough to go whole hog with the microwave beam and full auto shotgun. But one step at a time!

[@sirbaconbuster]

ID Software’s combat design: If it's not fun, get rid of it.

[@abd-qadirgilani8871]

Wasn't Hugo Martin who said that? What's the point of the game if its NOT fun?

[@jihung2930]

Abd-Qadir Gilani Reggie said almost the same exact thing once

[@abd-qadirgilani8871]

@Frax At least the regular Punch Falters fodder..... once. Have fun Faltering Heavies with that tho, lol. It should *at least* Falter monsters (fodder or not), even if not spammable.

[@jihung2930]

Abd-Qadir Gilani yeah I don’t really get it, regular punch has like no purpose other than faltering fodder, which is pretty useless anyways and makes blood punch inconsistent. Why not just remove it and keep melee button to blood punch and interact only?

[@abd-qadirgilani8871]

@@jihung2930 Better yet, why not make the regular Punch Falter anything you punch (with a timer ofc, that shit would be broken if not)? Not just Fodder, everything. Arachnotron got too close? Cacodemon that refuses to leave your rear? Annoyiing Prowler? Just smack 'em in the face and Falter them even if just for a sec or so.

[@Allstin]

There’s more than one way - an example, a single heat blast charge will falter a doom hunter - opening up for a blood punch. My personal feel is most players who use only 1 gun aren’t playing on Nightmare. Which I’m not gonna hate on someone for that. But the higher difficulties will give you issues doing that. So to say the game sucks “only 1 gun” isn’t fair to say. Funny too, my first time playing Half-Life, I played it neurotic and jumping around, crazy like DOOM! But it is true, Hugo has even said the DLC is gonna spice things up so you can’t just SSG Ballista

[@dunadan7136]

@Dill Pickle the unicorn skin is a joke, not a dick people can't have a bit of ridiculous fun these days sheesh

[@masterdeity3400]

Dill Pickle Ok that’s a good one 😂

[@madookamagooka743]

too many people on twitter bash this game simply because they ignored everything the game tried to teach them and show them the fun zone.

[@dishshammy6985]

this is the game that is going to revolutionalize the genre, not just in fps, but also third person shooter... this game can you pro in mouse handling, keyboard keys co-ordinatons, each enemy have other weak points, so you have to choose the correct gun or mod for correct enemy... and the dlc is making sure to keep that fun zone still active, even you got all guns from the start... which is why i love id software... no more cod and battlefield bullshit...

[@masterdeity3400]

If you want, I guess we can call them Doom Eternal clones? Basically, games like Eternal (arena shooters with Doom Eternals courage to be different from the norm), to prosper, look to the 3rd party side of things. Triple A games will most likely stay how they are, but 3rd party devs aren’t afraid to disrupt the norm. Support any and every 3rd party dev that’s making a game even remotely similar to Eternal.

[@dishshammy6985]

@@masterdeity3400 it happened in 1993, guess that statement is going to come again, lol.

[@corniel657]

@@masterdeity3400 it's called arena shooter m8,

[@corniel657]

@@dishshammy6985 I love all kinds of shooter, CS, COD, BF, DOOM, heck I even love battle royale shooter, except for fortnite tho, that automatically makes me a better person than you are

[@dishshammy6985]

@@corniel657 that's good for you man, i never got to play all those games, bcz i am poor... but if you have played all those game, great for you :)

[@ILikeBleachItsTrue]

11:41 - 11:48 "But if you are not having fun because at that point you choose to ignore the game the have made. That says more about you than it does the game" What a perfect point to throw back in your face regarding God of War 4

[@masterdeity3400]

No, it's not. Go back and actually listen to what he says about those games, he has a lot of good points to make. Try to look for things you agree with rather than disagree.

[@Just-A-Bit]

I feel like there should be a training room. It has an immortal demon, there's damage numbers, and a pop up telling you the state of the demon.

[@TheWayOfPencil]

It has one.

[@ghugueley8341]

Kinda like Sekiro

[@RacingSnails64]

Тигрик The ripatorium is not a good training room. You can't die in it, but once you beat all of its challenges you cannot replay it again. I've beaten the campaign and cannot access the ripatorium AT ALL anymore :/

[@nucleus691]

@@RacingSnails64 Youre supposed to be able to use the ripatorium once per fortress of doom playthrough. After the campaign you can still use it, beat it, quit to main menu, go back to fortress and play it again

[@Lugbzurg]

Sort of like what Devil May Cry 5 does when you're thinking about purchasing a new ability from the shops?

[@kingjm1000]

It is the pinnacle of fps. It's almost a perfect game I think. Reminds me of playing games growing up. When I could play for hours and months and replay the shit out of it bc how fun it is. Linear, skill based, amazing lvls and re-playability.

[@poposterous236]

"They don't want to FORCE you to use all your guns, they want you to WANT to use all your guns." Wait, Doom Eternal was made by my ex?

[@TheGamingBurger734]

My ex is my Super Shotgun my new gf is my Ballista (im sorry SSG, I still love you)

[@Orange_Swirl]

@@TheGamingBurger734 Who says you can't date them both!?

[@TheGamingBurger734]

@@Orange_Swirl threesome

[@gamingthatsall4253]

@@TheGamingBurger734 rocket ballista ssg and you foursome

[@TheGamingBurger734]

@@gamingthatsall4253 RL, BL, SSG, Crucible & u can be a fivesome

[@dunadan7136]

I’d say that while weapon switching is not strictly necessary later on, it’s honestly still highly recommended since it allows you to quickly reduce the heat on you, i rely on it constantly even on the later levels, especially when I’m doing challenge runs like no BFG or Lock-On Burst Weapon switching like a maniac is more fun than just using one weapon at a time and slowly chipping away at the health of the demons anyway. The latter is also nowhere near the optimal way to play anyway.

[@oSlig]

I appreciate the Brawler+ mode that you’ve come up with. It removed everything I got used to and left out everything I hadn’t used as much as I would like. It was as if I played a new game. Might even try to beat it on UN. So, thank you. P.S. Gosh the Khan Maykr battle had so much more to offer.

[@batidasbinaurais-binauralb180]

I'll never understand people that use only one weapon the entire game...on any FPS. Be it in DOOM Eternal or any FPS.

[@deadrock1678]

Literally everyone that played Doom2 mains the SSG lmao.

[@Badguy292]

I will say, there is a certain entertainment value in "Pistol Only" challenges, but that's more artificial limitation for challenge, rather than avoiding to change one's playstyle.

[@maxwell9561]

If the game is designed pretty badly where that's extremely effective I really can't blame them

[@anulfungus6793]

@Agent 005 The exact reason I love sniping in cod (except MW2019). Also the reason I use the Kraber and the Mastiff in Titanfall 2. Using underpowered weapons is just more rewarding because even if you put your self at a disadvantage you find ways to do just as good as everyone else.

[@irishcreamconnoisseur]

"Cyber mancubus is invincible until you blood punch his armor. " With the coin toss that was and still kida' is bloodpunch, UN would still remain unbeaten.

[@irishcreamconnoisseur]

@@maxotto9877 or blood punch and ssg, I know. Issue was that Version 1.0 blood punch worked only 50 percent of the time if you weren't standing still. And god save you, if you were trying it mid air.

[@lllXanderlll]

Man I love to hear someone speaking so passionately about something they enjoy, you can just hear the excitement in your voice and you know it's genuine

[@chriscorcoran4515]

You should do a video detailing each demon and the best way to defeat them. I'd love to hear your advice.

[@CsubAzUrmedve]

Shoot them until they die.

[@LemonRush7777]

Not much to talk beyond the Marauder and maybe the Doom Hunter.

[@LemonRush7777]

@@maxotto9877 Any quick swap combination will make short stock of demons. Except the Tyrant I guess.

[@vf369]

It's ashame that a major mechanic such as "Quick Switching" is not taught as an official mechanic in the tutorial and showing the average person about it. I've seen too many normal people not do it and stick to a weapon that they like, I guess I can't force them to play a certain way, but the game can :D I just wish their was a second tutorial to teach things such as advance game mechanic's for those who like to learn more advance tech to beat the horde of DEMON"S

[@andrewbaranyai463]

This! I found out about quick switching way after I started playing DE and it never felt like a genuine part of the game play but more of a minor exploit. I have tried and tried to get it down but just cannot quite get it. A tutorial or something to just practise on would have helped a lot and made it feel more legit

[@ScileSc]

Isn´t quick switching technically an exploid?

[@Leitis_Fella]

@@ScileSc No. It's intentional. Creative Director Hugo Martin mentioned it in multiple interviews.

[@spiceforspice3461]

I discovered it organically tbh, I literally started doing it in my first playthrough.

[@jjrambles683]

I found out about weapon switching and advanced play through doom videos KZbin recommended me. I was like "the game can be even faster and cooler? I need to try harder so my game play looks more like this."

[@henrygoudreau9566]

This video really hit home for me because of the Wolfenstein franchise. The New Colossus and Youngblood could have interesting combat designs with weapon switching, but instead I'm just stuck with duel weilding shotguns or pistols. I really wish more games (like Wolfenstein) embrace dynamic gameplay instead of this boring cover shoot mindset. I'm glad Id software is evolving the FPS genre, and I hope other video games are influenced by Doom's combat design, such as Wolfenstein. Hopefully the next Wolfenstein game is better than the last two.

[@whirligig_saw]

22 days remaining for the dlc we are almost there

[@benfinch4969]

I agree with what you said about influencing other games, when playing Terraria I now scroll though about five different weapons while fighting.

[@dreggman4685]

6:35 man, since there are so many ammunition scattered around, I am 100% sure that the player does not need to use the chainsaw at that level more than once, in my various attempts of UN I have only used the chainsaw against the arachnotron at the end

[@rmhj01]

8:27 allow me to add one more: 6. By making a weakpoint a dangerous weapon to the player, the incentive of destroying it to make your game easier will tie 1-5 all together.

[@dereturd]

i love how the first time I played the SGN ML I got wrecked by the 5/6 cacodemons that spawn because I tried to sticky them one by one. Then i realized destroyer blading them all seemed more optimal or even freeze grenading it. I love how this game really makes you think of different ways of approaching combat.

[@dominiccasts]

While I have only played through Doom Eternal itself a couple times, and find it to be more frustrating than fun a lot of the time (especially in the first couple levels), it did prompt me to come up with a really ergonomic and fast weapon key setup, which has helped a lot in every other game I play (especially Quake Champions). I mean, I really like the quickswap weakpoint setup game that DE has, I just find myself doing pretty well until I make one or two mistakes and get shut down, which gets frustrating quite quickly.

[@SanstheSkeleton-ji6yt]

8:48 maybe I’m just an idiot, but that was exactly my takeaway, rarely If ever do I not go for the weakpoint on the cacodemon.

[@bowlagrits]

I don’t get the haters. I just beak my first nightmare run and it’s so satisfying to clear a room while switching and using all weapons at my disposal. I don’t think it would be as satisfying just using one or two gun combos. Game of the year doom eternal is.

[@princetchalla2441]

As far as I can tell, in high level Battlemode matches only the Ballista and Scoped-in Assault rifle is used, with some guys even swapping their bindingsfor those weapons to 1&2 respectively. I had a ton of fun shit talking the chaingun in Doom 2016 until it was the last gun with ammo that I had and the regular old assault rifle wasn’t doing enough to stagger the baron, and I didn’t have a single bullet or chainsaw jerrycan left because I was bad. Chaingun came into clutch though, and I managed to get through by the skin of my teeth. In Eternal you’re supposed to use every weapon (keep in mind I know it is fun no matter how you play) but I noticed it’s not always as clear cut as “you can use this gun most effectively at this time, but this can be used too” which is great in theory, but I get enraged whenever something doesn’t work, like blood punch. Then when I pull out another gun in a panic there’s a chance I get stuck and combo’d by fodder or some shit, which drove me to keep using the SSG meathook to escape a shit ton. I managed to beat Ultra-Nightmare, but Ballista, SSG, and Scoped Assault Rifle are the best weapons, (Rocket Launcher is ok too, but not as easy to abuse in battlemode or on heavies until you invest in the lock-on mechanic or spam remote detonation behind walls for multiplayer) whereas I found myself preferring the plasma gun over all of them, but often it wouldn’t deal enough stagger damage for me to win. My favorite part of the game was beating the Doom Hunter for the first time, then seeing two more spawn and somehow beating them on my first try. Unfortunately, I didn’t have as much fun in some of the later levels because those three guns outclass the others and trying to avoid using them wasn’t easy. Don’t get me wrong, they’re still fun to use, but I got sick of trying to blood punch an armored demon, getting stuck/stunned by the AOE green fart (even if I froze him the blood punch didn’t always work in time) then dying to some gargoyle who caught up to me. This lead to me just spamming those three into him because it was faster and more reliable. From watching speed runners I learned you can freeze them, grenade them twice, then blood punch them, but in the middle of a fire fight that’s not always optimal for me.

[@RAZKEN.]

I got one small request. Maybe sometimes change the background music for something else. I'm getting somewhat tired of this exact same tune that plays in pretty much every video. I hope this doesnt come through like a complaint, its just a small detail that i like to expreress.

[@martinstenevebenstad8208]

Bruh, i kinda like it. I think it suits his vids.

[@arnavk6557]

@@martinstenevebenstad8208 same anyone know what the song is called?

[@danilederer5546]

This Video is basically "How to protect players from themselfs" by GMTK

[@virtualpancakes]

I for one was completely oblivious to quick swaps to skip weapon cooldowns, I played most of the game with just the plasma rifle and the super shotgun, whenever I used the rocket launcher or the chain gun it was mostly just to get rid of the fodder, it wasn't until I started watching more gameplay and especially a few of your videos that introduced me to quick swapping.. been hooked on the stuff since

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

Halo CE had the same kind of fun zone to a lesser intensity, I really miss that in Halo, and love it in Doom. I use mostly the plasma rifle and combat shotgun, even when you first get the plasma you get to hold alot of ammo for it, maybe not for the ballista but for the plasma rifle its a good amount.

[@zeroattentiongaming820]

Man I still can't believe people go on about how hard and limiting Eternal is. I've never to this day been able to beat anything except Knee Deep in the Dead on Hurt Me Plenty when it comes to classic Doom but I was able to beat Eternal on Ultra Violence my first run once the game clicked with me. Eternal is clearly teaching you every step of the early stages, practically beating you over the head with optimal methods when you struggle. Eternal will wipe its ass with your face over and over until it clicks, when you become a fucking death god. The gameplay loop is so simple to learn and understand, with some very obvious weaknesses to bring down most tougher enemies if you struggle. But it also offers you the shooter equivalent to a DMC game. Encouraging you to make the best use of what you have, pushing you to get better until you wonder how you ever had trouble with it. Linking up multiple Cacodemon glory kills to act as a DMC enemy step, letting you stay and move around the air for extended periods by masterfully managing the enemies for example. Not just killing them but keeping them alive for the purpose of doing cool shit later. Etermal is a hard game because it respects the player. It knows how powerful you have the potential to be and keeps pushing you until you know it too.

[@ExeErdna]

DMC has an easier time due to the POV and the lack of ammo. It's more spongey than hard, more HP just makes you make mistakes by making you fatigued. The problem with Eternal that I understand is that the weakness aren't fun for some people it turns gameplay into a "braindead" puzzle you have the counter and must use the counter. DMC has optimization yet more gameplay freedom. Eternal streamlines the fun zone too much personally that it would turn people off. I 100% get why they did it and I personally dislike what they did with it since it could have been better

[@Furious_Farts]

After like 6 play throughs, super gore nest is easily my favorite level. When I first got there tho, I hated it. I died over and over cause I just didn’t “get it.” I was playing sloppy and slow. As I leaned (the hard way) just by playing and listening to the feedback and fun the game was giving me, I became a much better player. Doom eternal is my favorite game ever now and I think the fun zone was a giant reason for that. There’s so much depth there if you want to use it. If not, you don’t have to, but you might have to bump down the difficulty, die more, or play in a way that just isn’t as engaging.

[@Conflict1922]

God of War, Ninja Gaiden, Batman Arkham series, Doom Eternal. Pretty much any game that has a combat system like this, are all my favorites. It's the ultimate fun house that rewards combat knowledge, you can still beat these games without it, but rewards exist almost exclusively for the players that do understand it. Especially in higher difficulties.

[@dereturd]

Doom Eternal is so great, that when I got into the Halo games this year I just saw how the aggressive, hot-swapping doesn't work really well with Halo. I'm not saying Halo's bad because of it, but I hope future fps combat puzzle games can learn from Doom and it's fun zone.

[@HunterForHire422]

Switching from doom eternal to halo for me was like a nascar driver being forced into a scooter. Not bad but extremely different

[@dereturd]

@@HunterForHire422 lol yeah, I thought Nightmare in Doom was just the same as Legendary in Halo 2, I was so wrong.

[@dereturd]

@@MintyLime703 Actually its not the weapon swapping I realized, though it does take time away (which is a necessity in higher difficulties) the main problem is the difficulty balancing of higher difficulties. Halo 2 Legendary was so hard.

[@justarandomperson3700]

@@MintyLime703 Imo halo 2 and reach are the worst when it comes to weapon sandboxes. In halo 2 legendary the noob combo and snipers are far above every other option, and in reach legendary every gun except precision weapons and plasma pistols are too weak. Even the Spartan Laser struggles to kill high ranking elites and some vehicles in one hit. I think halo 5's sandbox is much better than the 2 above games. H4's is boring and doesn't give you enough ammo, h3/odst's is pretty good overall but could use some tweaks to make them both perfect, and h1 has the best sandbox overall, but the AR needs accuracy buff, and the needler also needs a buff.

[@turnerbrawley4715]

Tbh I think the 2 best decisions on Id's part was to limit the ammo and certain demon weaknesses it allows the player to not rely on 1 gun throughout the game and find another way to deal with the enemy because one enemy may be weak against the heavy cannon but another one might not have that same weakness he maybe weak against the SSG this allows more creativity in gameplay.

[@keanuxu5435]

Those people that say “if a game doesn't let me do what I want, therefore it’s forcing me to do something I don’t like” are the same children that say “if you don’t do what I want, you’re the mean one.”

[@YetiCoolBrother]

After watching this I’d be very interested to hear your thoughts on combat in Devil May Cry 5. There’s definitely a similar elements of the “fun zone” mentality in that game, especially when playing as Dante.

[@jimblejanks3219]

10:14 introducing the Spirit that can only be killed by the microwave mod

[@griffin09]

8:49 Well I sure fucking ignored that lesson then lol. It never gets old watching them gulp that shit down.

[@Sniffhow]

Okay I get everything you're saying and I understand 100% but if they wanted me to use every weapon then they wouldn't have made the SSG so damn PERFECT. It's straight ecstasy with the MEAT HOOK

[@kami12kaze87]

Oddly enough, the points at around 11:00 is exactly how they went with TAG1 and TAG2 (Blood Maykrs and Stone Imps, namely).

[@ScVmDoZeR8015]

4:36 agreed, playing Bioshock 2 and doing the research feels just like Doom Eternal.

[@visionhawk4403]

I really enjoy your videos about Doom Eternal. I didn't buy the game until last year (2022) because I haven't been a fan of FPS games in a long time, the only exception was Doom 2016. I play it all the time now. At first, I never used the ballista. It took so long to cooldown that I thought it was useless, which was a let down because the gauss rifle was my favorite weapon in 2016. After a couple of playthroughs and watching some of your videos, I started working on switching around to get around the cooldowns of each weapon. And not only was that more efficient, it was way more fun. I went back and played 2016 again after playing Eternal over and over so I could remember the differences. I pretty much only needed to use one or two guns to play the whole game. But then I went back to Eternal and eventually beat Ultra-nightmare. I haven't done the DLC ultra-nightmare runs yet but that's what's next. You and your videos showed me just how much fun this game can be if you try to learn how the game is meant to be played. Thank you for that!

[@MW_1420]

Agreed. I have fell into a brawler style and appreciate that the Runes can be configured accordingly.

[@thearchvile3560]

hugo is such a genius to think like this yeah if the demo was ssg to the face it'd have been boring

[@RolandZ-yj6tk]

Im so happy that instead of making a video about microsoft buying bethesda, (like every gaming channel) you chose to make another good video about doom’s game mechanics. Keep up the good work.

[@underthemayo]

Yeah I don't have much to say on it. People can get that info elsewhere.

[@voidgoblin9510]

so hype for the adventures of Johnny bug spray through time

[@GamingMafia_id]

I guess some people that couldn't "tap" into the fun zone only use 1 gun the entire time and call it fun.

[@fanman6568]

I went back to play doom 2016 and tried Weapon swapping and it’s actually Makes the game even more fun. (I do hope you understand what I mean by this)

[@firedeathskull3107]

As I controller player who plays doom eternal a lot, I used to fall into the trap of quick-swapping the SSG with the Precision Bolt. It was a high damage combo that dealt with most enemies quickly. But when I started watching Under the Mayo, I watched his mod videos and others explaining ways to expand your play style. Then I realized the hole I fell into, I started using more mods I overlooked like the Full-Auto for the Combat Shotgun and the Microwave Beam for the Plasma rifle. I even started using the ice bomb and unmayker for Cyberdemons, Barons, and possessed demons. He really taught me how to stay in the fun zone of doom eternal, I’m having a lot more fun using the new weaponry that I’ve learned about. Thank you Under the Mayo

[@AHandleWasAlreadyTaken]

On my first and second playthrough I usually only used the bas shotgun, and tips for getting used to fast switching

[@xSpooKee]

This game have aproved me alot as a gamer, and Nightmare is hands Down the Best difficult for Doom Eternal because it forces you to think and not just be agressive with just one weapon or two, i am glad they went this route for the gameplay and just not 2016 all over again

[@DanBharry]

id took a lot from bloodbonre (which makes sense as they are fans). i might eventually make a video on i but to be brief, Bloodborne has mechanics that you have to learn to have fun, parry and knockback. You can play without it but it makes the fights way easier and more fun. The weapons all have their own intricacies to them and rather than load the game up with 100 weapons you'll never use they give you a reduced weapon count but they all fit different playstyles and messing around with them and finding the weapon set that works your you right the sandbox is a big part of the fun. 51 hours later after getting the platinum i was still getting good with the max level hunter axe and using fire and lighting paper to do more damage. As i learned the games systems and took advantage of them, the game became more fun, and that's something Eternal does and its all the better for it.

[@SDK2K9]

Good video. Even when I was playing Doom 2016 I was switching between weapons because I have this mentality of what's the point of having all these weapons if I'm not going to use them.

[@one-x7082]

What You said about the Doom Hunters hit me like a truck. That is exactly when I started to really learn the dance on my first playthrough.

[@ashtro8omb376]

Id software’s original view on how difficulty can push you to improve. Just incredible

[@raffrayb]

I remember that I finished my first play through (which was like 2 weeks ago) just relying on the super shotgun and I was getting ready to play the ancient gods part 1 and I saw one of your videos and I saw the combos and I’m just like “I am soooooooo not ready) and I started my rerun on Sunday and I incorporated combos and instead of taking me like 3 weeks to complete it took my 3 days to complete

[@andrewhucher]

I didn't have too much trouble switching because I played Doom 2016 the same way. I thought at the time maybe some enemies were weaker to different guns. And it was just more fun to try different guns throughout the whole game.

[@gaurd3]

The latter. You can use one weapon. That’s why Hugo said he nerfed the Chain gun in TAG.

[@onceyougozach2607]

Is that a meme or did he actually say that? Where

[@dunadan7136]

you technically can use one weapon but honestly its far from optimal on the higher difficulties, have tried it myself and the lack of raw DPS from weapon switching meant one hell of a difficulty spike

[@gaurd3]

onceyougozach he did. It has been tamed in TAGs I forget where I saw it. He basically said doesn’t like his game trivialized. He said it was relied on way too much. Slightly overturned.

[@gaurd3]

Wrist Rocket Watcher I would say not that far off from top play. I doubt Hugo cares /nerfed it for lower difficulty level cheese. That’s the point of lower diff.

[@KosmataBradva]

I played WoW for years. When i played DMC for the first time, it wasn't a big philosophy to realise that chaining abilities is more optimal than relying on your favourite spell. First time i played Doom, i used the strongest weapon imo and swapped them when i was out of ammo, like i did in Q3A (didn't use the chainsaw, never ran out of all my ammo loool). The second time i played it, i played like DMC, weapons swapping combos and w/e. Now i weapon swap in MGS5, tranq gun/ tranq sniper/ non lethal granades, easy Foxhound badges on Extreme missions. And currently i am playing Eternal on Nightmare, not using the chainsaw (except once for the start of a slayer gate / empowered demons on), so i can spit on the grave of that retarded low ammo whining.

[@debashisprasadjena5075]

The adventures of Johnny bugspray through time. Lmao.

[@pokekiller787x]

I love how mayo dives into the mechanics of the game. It's so interesting to listen to.

[@arlowise5960]

we need id software to make "the adventures of Johnny bugspray through time" asap

[@shatteredmirror4458]

Can't wait for the release of Johnny bugspray.

[@bideosgrasiososjajd]

"they're not forcing you to weapon swap" *spirit and blood maykr laughing in the background*

[@Blind_Hawk]

As you made the example of using the techniques you learned in Doom Eternal in other games, I realised how it also influenced me. I was playing Bioshock like Doom Eternal, it was kinda hard because Bioshock (all of them) have clunky feeling. Also, I played like that in Battlefield V and annihilated basically every tank in an one versus one by quickly changing to other explosive types. My friend said to me "you're playing Doom Eternal in BFV".

[@underthemayo]

My best friend plays destiny 2 different now too

[@infinitedeath1384]

@@underthemayo doom eternal broke my bad habit of reloading every time i get one kill in a fps. Now in destiny 2, i keep firing until all my ammo is gone, or i get a kill with only a few bullets in the mag. Although it only really works on most weapons, but some weapons like the gun called huckleberry reloads automatically when you get a kill, making things more convenient. But i did notice i changed the way i also play destiny 2 since playing doom eternal.

[@arinmagnus]

I love the way you deal with Makyr drones. Falter with remote detonate then ballista the head for the pickups. Love the creativity.

[@pausmth]

I totally agree, and I love that the spirit fucks with this.

[@Ironwizard42]

People who say Doom Eternal limits creativity should not be allowed to vote on anything important.

[@Wylie288]

Limitations is where creativity prospers

[@chris10878]

I used to try to only use one or 2 weapons in doom 2016 and at first in eternal but I learn and adapted (your videos helped a lot!) and not I love using all the weapons. I agree with what your saying totally. I think the combat is fucking amazing and when I get in those big battles where the music changes harder and the more demons come I get so pumped and start ripping and tearing. Nothing like this game

[@theboywonderlol]

on my previous nightmare run I found myself over relying on the ssg ballista combo, but recently I've found a lot of fun in using the sticky bomb launcher, precision bolt, and heat blast mods. I absolutely love how this game naturally teaches me new methods and combos that I never even thought of and it is definitely my game of the year.

[@themaidenlesswretch7819]

The old ammo looked sick, ngl

[@EpicCraZeShotZ]

I'm a communication studies scholar with an emphasis on rhetoric and rhetorical theory (Ph.D) and your theory here is very similar to how communication studies theories work and how media communicates messages to the player. I've done rhetorical work in video games and how they use level design and game design to communicate to the player. I appreciated this, few videos provide good theories to a game, especially here.

[@samson_]

My general feeling is that the fun zone (and its dark twin the unfun zone) has to do with the combat having a two-way snowball effect: when you're getting consistent quick kills on heavies and maintaining a good stack, every fight tends to be tilted in the player's favour and it's easy to stay in the zone and enjoy the feeling of control. On the other hand, small acts of clumsiness like a weapon mis-switch, or a movement error tend to result in several big hits and worse, loss of position which wipes out stacks and forces the player into desperation and resource hunting to grind their way back into the combat, which depending on the situation can either be exciting, or boring and annoying (just how far across the arena do you have to run before you can find a single weakling to chainsaw/gk?). Obviously all that is solved by gitting gud, but the problem for new players is that mastering quick kills and mod use cases for all the dangerous enemies can take longer than the campaign length (remember, you have the perspective of several hundred hours in game when talking about combat options), so they're getting repeatedly stuck in the mud. Also hurting new players and leading to a clunky feeling is that imo the default kb hotkey profile is extremely bad unless you have 10 extremely long fingers on your left hand, I had to rebind a lot of stuff and even use extra mouse buttons which I normally try to avoid, after which my weapon and equipment switching finally felt fast and consistent, but it took me almost 20 hours in game before I tweaked it enough to feel right. Many probably just left with the feeling that the mechanics and controls are overcomplicated and awkward to use, because the inputs required are so unintuitive to the hands.

[@masterdeity3400]

First of all, the fun zone and it’s dark twin, the un fun- zone 😂 you got a like just for that. Second, I get what you mean and I agree. Mastering the game can take longer than the actual length of the game, so I think a good way to fix this is updating the ripatorium to make it a better practice mode. The game should lead the player to it after the Super Gore Nest because at that point, you have all your weapons. This should be optional by having 2 waypoints, 1 that leads you to it and another that leads you the the next level. That way repeat play throughs aren’t as annoying. The game would give you a tutorial on weapon switching, enemy prioritisation and resource management. After completing it, the player can then customise it by choosing the arena and enemies they wish to practice. There should also be the option to endlessly fight, like a horde mode. This can also be accessed from the main menu. This introduces a lot of things people want and need from this game. An easy to follow tutorial on the core mechanics of the game for newcomers, and a horde mode that satisfies the players need to test themselves by practicing what they’ve learnt.

[@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.]

12:03 "Do you want a Doom game without a powerful super shotgun- ?" I mean, Doom 3... exists.

[@ShrimpOfDeath]

When I first started playing DE I was kinda mad at all the monkey bar/wall climbing action and weapon swapping being necessary. But once I felt that visceral joy at jumping around the arena switching guns on the fly, punching and chainsawing imps, burning everything and swinging off cacodemons, I changed my mind :) Gotta git gud to appreciate what DE has to offer.

[@maximivanov4851]

I prefer mobility options over weapon combos - I do not enjoy putting lots of inputs into whatever is happening in the screen. I would prefer to have my reaction tested rather than my ability to push inputs at high speed. P.S. UV completion of doom 2016, doom eternal and DLC worked great for me using on the average of 3 weapons with 3 more as hard counters. completely ignored base grenades in doom eternal due to lack of dedicated button. freeze grenade as a panic button had higher priority

[@KaiserAfini]

4:20 That is a very good sign. One of the reasons I love the original Thief games is because they made me a better stealth game player across the board. An amazing design doesn't just challenge you and teach you to play it, it mentors you into understanding the genre better. At least for me, its one of the subtlest reasons that make those game's design so timeless

[@CoenKommer]

Johnny bugspray GOTY for sure

[@Zeegoner]

See you in the DLC. Inside of it. Mayo new demon confirmed

[@avocadopeel7536]

Hey Mayo, great vid, and I agree with your points, but be careful with harsh honesty. Often people who say they're painfully honest care more about causing pain than honesty.

[@underthemayo]

I enjoy an occasional stab here and there. But overall I like making these videos because I believe understanding the game and its ideas makes it an even more enjoyable experience. I also never want to "attack" someone just for not liking something. But if they're out there spewing nonsense and spreading misinformation, fair game.

[@ahums16]

DOOM Eternal is the most fun I have ever had in an fps game. I freaking love it. I want to play other 90's fps games, but besides the original DOOM games, nothing else is really getting my attention at all because I love Eternal so much.

[@masterdeity3400]

Try the old Quake games.

[@ahums16]

@@masterdeity3400 Yes, I have played those as well as a ton of other 90's fps games, as well as modern ones inspired by them. :) Doom Eternal I just love too much.

[@masterdeity3400]

ahums16 Yeah, Eternal is just that good.

[@bostin1472]

I haven’t played doom eternal, but after seeing gameplay, I’ve been switching weapons in every first person shooter I play now, I’m glad doom eternal exists

[@anibalgarcia5138]

I wish doom eternal had mouse and keyboard support on ps4 , it looks bloody fun to rip and tear switching weapons on mouse and keyboard! Nice vid man !

[@williamsmith6921]

the title led me to believe that there was some weird obscure lore about an actual location called the fun zone IDK why I thought that

[@Achonas]

my problem, I'm waaaay to conservative with my ammo. I'll run out of ammo for most of my weapons, but still have some with like, the rocket launcher, so I'll use that instead of the chainsaw because I might need it later. meanwhile I've had all 3 bars of it for the entire level and passed like 5 cans of gas lol

[@THeSPARTEnMORTER21]

this was the first game that once i got a few levels in, i had a hard time choosing what weapon to use, i felt like i had so many options in the middle of an arena. first play through i used one weapon and weapon wheeled it to another then used grenade by its self. now its quick switching between two weapons for that enemy to quickly take out weak points all while i already hit it with the flame belch and i put a grenade on the ground next to it. Fantastic shooter and hands down one of the best in years.

[@Mrcryptidsarereal]

Does it concern you that the new Summoner/Spirit in the DLC can only be killed with the Microwave Beam?

[@underthemayo]

It doesn't. I think it's fine to flirt with the idea of specific counters, just not a whole game on it. I hope itll be fun

[@ouch2040]

Thanks man,Your videos gave me a new perspective on the game.

[@ChiralityPracticality]

Doom is good for cognitive rehab for people whom have suffered a TBI. It has made me "Think" again! When I get used to playing games like RDR2 or TLOU2 I forgot what a "Challenge" really is. I'm new to Doom Eternal but it's the only game that has given me that rush of joy, anger and frustration! When you begin to "Rip n Tear" you get that old feeling you got as a kid, when games were a challenge and "FUN". This time I'm gonna keep playing DOOM constantly until I can actually claim that I'm an actual "Slayer"....

[@quiggsy8571]

That's awesome to hear