Everyone Told Me To Play... HADES

[@underthemayo]

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[@freddoomer3515]

Why did you cut out the part where you were going to mention Doom eternal.

[@the_womp_and_only9062]

Everyone told me to play... Hotline Miami/2

[@raywez1771]

hotline Miami sounds good, try it.

[@ddomenicoeeziommancini]

Plz try sekiro mayoman

[@KaiserAfini]

Everyone told me to play....Pathologic 2. I think you would be fascinated and challenged by it like few games. I can confidently say that its game design has Doom Eternal levels of thoughtfulness to it.Yep, I know full well what kind of bar that sets and I stand by it.

[@sir-dolphino]

I haven't watched it yet, but I bet he's gonna mention Doom Eternal

[@imperialphoenix1229]

Well yes, but actually no

[@Artvader_AF]

You may delete your comment now.

[@imperialphoenix1229]

@@CompleteAnimation he was describing what he would change about hades, named a bunch of shit that describes doom 2016/eternal and had a cutaway gag. But other than that U right

[@raywez1771]

No he isn't and it was really unnecessary and kinda mean.

[@martinstenevebenstad8208]

​@@raywez1771 ye i kinda agree

[@killimo7990]

If you like Hades, you should try this other game, Doom Eternal...

[@jeremy.aaharony415]

Idk, doom eternal doesn't seem like the type of game mayo would like.

[@dishshammy6985]

@@jeremy.aaharony415 i think he will love it... but idk why i think he knows about the g... nevermind.

[@OZcomingFRoo]

@@jeremy.aaharony415 XD

[@jacoblbarton]

ehhh idk I don’t think he likes to be frustrated by his games. he just like a simple, chill, un-challenging time yk

[@DanteTheSimpSlayer]

@@jeremy.aaharony415 wtf, there are people that don't like doom? 0.o

[@palmleafcooking]

I strongly recommend you to escape 10 times in total, as that's when the credits roll. The story does go on from there, but the main plot thread gets resolved. I found myself having a lot of the same issues which you brought up in this until after I had seen the credits, in which I changed my mind about most of it.

[@ashleyfurrow4414]

Beats Hades and thinks he won heehee

[@nicolasvillasecaali7662]

Imagine thinking that you beat the game widouth defeating Extreme measurements Hades!

[@DVFHAFYT]

oh the show gets good after 6 seasons just watch it!..yeah no.

[@palmleafcooking]

@@DVFHAFYT not a dub + i dont care + ratio + nofap + Cold Bath + MGTOW + eat raw meat + eat facing the wall + biohack + losing the game + sleep on the floor to fix the posture + Jordan Peterson + mewing + HBD + RSD + jelq + sleep 5 hours a day + unsweetened iced coffee + equestrian + shooti

[@i_want_die3219]

@@DVFHAFYT expecting a rogue like to end by beating the boss ONCE...

[@HunterForHire422]

"Tough shit." God it's so great to hear that.

[@raulrojas9253]

"tough shit" works both ways Mayo, Just saying. Anyway, I feel grateful because thanks to you I never had many issues with doom eternal.

[@cheese5081]

Nice profile pic

[@mikecabrera7393]

I personally felt that Hades was nothing special to me. But then again its not my kind of game. Doom Eternal imo is a far better game. No grinding necessary. Just fun. From beginning to end.

[@rashmikalia1304]

@@mikecabrera7393 bruh just stop comparing every game to doom doom is my second favourite game of all time but stop comparing it to a rough like makes you look like a fanboy

[@mikecabrera7393]

@@rashmikalia1304 But the thing is - I am a fanboy lol

[@Oleg-px3us]

"skipping the dialogue" AUGH BUT IT'S THE BEST PART OF THE GAME

[@raphicoco]

I guess he doesn't like character development or subtle world building. :/

[@ashleyfurrow4414]

No wonder he’s talking about grinding! Dying is the point.

[@phoenixdown1947]

i beat the game 5x and theres 4 or 5 attempts left, i also felt burn out and stop playing @_@

[@jasonsantiago6308]

Who doesn't want to listen to the dulcet tones of Swagreus' cutting witticisms and heartwarming attaboys?

[@cg5380]

Man is even more impatient than dunkey

[@GamingMafia_id]

0:10 I know what game you voted Mayo. *pssst we don't mention it's name here. This is a video about another game*

[@underthemayo]

Yes, this is serious business here.

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

@@underthemayo doom eternal

[@GamingMafia_id]

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 *DELETE THIS COMMENT*

[@jonissues1914]

Animal crossing

[@Blind_Hawk]

Sad it didn't win... How could Last of Us Part 2 beat it? Did it really have so many fans?

[@samaktamm2242]

I nominated doom eternal btw

[@bmobmo6438]

I'd like to hear your thoughts on Hollow Knight. It's an action metroidvania, but with no character level grinding. All your powerups come from exploration. The only grinding you could do is for currency for merchants but you usually end up with plenty of that just by exploring.

[@zeratulrus142]

yea, really want to hear his thoughts on Hollow knight, especially with the sequel coming out at some point this decade

[@tracystevens6930]

Yes please hollow knight is brutally difficult but not in a unapproachable way, and while you do get stronger and get new abilities over time, it never trivializes the bugs you fight. It is just such an amazing world to get lost in

[@AntonisVaik]

He likes spalunkee and hollow knight is like that game but a metroidvania so he should like it

[@Wylie288]

Hollow Knight is only really good because the creator decided to look at all the metroidvanias in existence and figure out what was good and bad about them. Its a solid game. But the designers just aren't very good. The levels and combat really suck. Ori and the Will of the Wisps is a much better metroidvania. While Hollow Knight should always take the credit for finding the fun of the genre. Moon Studios are simply much better designers.

[@cheese5081]

@@Wylie288 the levels and combat suck? That's the first time I've ever heard someone say that about Hollow Knight.

[@andreweber7218]

Do the 2 bayoneta games next! I really like this new series

[@CompleteAnimation]

I second the Bayonetta games. Or even just the first one since it's on PC, in case you don't have a Switch.

[@stiefn3825]

Considering his distaste for a manual camera schemes, *The Wonderful 101* should be more in his ballpark.

[@bernardjones5056]

@@stiefn3825 i agree. Bayonetta is amazing but the camera can be annoying to deal with.

[@snowfox6795]

Not sure i fully agree with the aspect of having to 'grind it out' for unlocks, imo they change marginally next to nothing. The game being easier based on rng upgrades is def. a thing though. Nonetheless nice video thanks for your take on the game.

[@theanimerapper6351]

All rouge likes are easier based on rng lol

[@snowfox6795]

@@theanimerapper6351 Valid point, but the video didn't seem to acknowledge that and ultimately seemed discontent blaming the grind as the main reason of not enjoying the game. The fact remains that the game is not any less beatable at run 1 vs run 70. People might have a easier times upgrading weapons, but it doesn't drastically change the difficulty, you still have to dodge and position well. I'd argue the game actually gets harder & harder given the RIsing Heat system with hazards adding up.

[@theanimerapper6351]

@@snowfox6795 yea I see what you're saying now. I responded to your comment before I watched the video my bad lol

[@WhiteKnuckleRide512]

The problem is with the Mirror more or less done so early into the game the only things incentivizing more runs are the visual novel elements on the story side, and the weapon aspects and upgrades on the gameplay side. At that point, the gameplay is so repetitive that doing a whole run just to get 1 part needed to upgrade your swords damage by 5% sounds fucking MISERABLE. I can not imagine that anyone would possibly keep playing this game after beating it once if the story element wasn’t there. It sucks, because all of the writing really is great, but playing through the same levels with the same weapons again and again and again and again holds it back so much.

[@savary5050]

RNG is largely avoidable in this game when you consider dice roles and the godly charms or whatever their called. I can consistently get the exact same build and beat the game over and over again.

[@aspizak]

You don't need to unlock anything, there are people that did 40+ runs without the boons and mirror. So you can beat it if you have the skills. Disable the unlocks and try.

[@WhiteKnuckleRide512]

This game simply does not have the variety or depth for that to be anything but miserable. Not difficult, mind you, just a miserable experience.

[@ThorfinnStrife]

@@WhiteKnuckleRide512 no one asked

[@WhiteKnuckleRide512]

@@ThorfinnStrife yo why you gotta like a cool thing but be a terrible person

[@leonpaelinck]

without the boons? how? you have to accept them

[@pencil6193]

@@leonpaelinck the purge wells

[@minusp895]

Supergiant is a great developer. The creator of that studio was also my favorite classic Gamespot reviewer. He's brilliant.

[@theramazing4615]

the part where you need to grind first kinda fits the story of the game. the bits of conversation of some character may not relate to the overall story, but it does make you know the character themself a little better each time games to recommend: 1) risk of rain, it all about non-stop action with alot of character, enemy, and item combination variety 2) ori and the blind forest, the combat is...there, but the art is beautiful and the story is incredible. you will cry 3) hollow knight, the exploration is great, the combat is great, the bosses are super fun, the story is pretty cryptic but pretty interesting

[@williamberry4597]

ROR is a great suggestion. But start with the first one mind you.

[@asperation1457]

Yes all of my friends disappeared too when playing WoW

[@inadover]

I feel like Hades is not that grindy tho. You're right that farming Darkness (the resource for the mirror) and Titan blood (for weapon aspects, which you didn't really mention) does improve your performance in the game, but aside from a few improvements that are really broken or useful, they are just slight buffs to the experience. Idk, I didn't find most of that stuff to be actually needed in order to complete the game. You don't really have to actively grind for it, since you'll get those resources anyway and as with Spelunky, most matchups can be dealt with using your experience and strategy, specially bosses. Also, while you're right about the boons, since some combinations make some enemies trivial, what I like about them is that even if you have some overpowered combos, a lot of them are viable and collecting boons from the same god will always lead to a viable build. As an example, I always found Dyonisius to be one of the most "useless" ones, but when you go and pick a bunch of his boons, you're suddenly the god (pun intended) of poison-like DPS. Anyhow, loved your review. Since you criticized the exploration I'd recommend a personal favourite: Hollow Knight. Superb exploration (although it's easy to get lost), great combat (a bit on the slow paced side at the beginning), good lore, although no actual story, kinda like Dark Souls. Hope you like it if you ever play it

[@stolensentience]

Even if you don’t have to do those things, they take up the game’s structure and take away from a linear game that would’ve had a more realized game loop instead of modern game concessions.

[@leonpaelinck]

yeah the permanent upgrades barely change anything. The boons that only last one run are the real deal

[@artsynth7316]

Really awesome video! While I really love this game, I definitely agree with the criticisms you have . I still think Bastion, which is also by Supergiant, is a much more focused game for me with regards to the story/campaign. If you haven't tried Bastion I highly recommend that you do, it's similar to Hades in many ways; really good art style, great soundtrack, great combat (maybe not as refined as Hades) but with a more focused campaign which I greatly prefer.

[@rando3939]

Transistor is another really good isometric angle game. This seems to have a lot more stuff in the game though

[@BryanRobledor]

Was about to comment about that game it’s s from the same developer, and it’s amazing, it sort of solves some of his problems because it has a more linear campaign and a cool story but the gameplay it’s very different because in transistor you can pause and plan some of your moves, but when you are doing your second or third playthrough the pacing gets great, and it’s challenging.

[@Schraiber]

I haven't played Hades but it seems like the things you dislike are the things most people seem to like: the sense of progression despite death and the character interactions between runs

[@krovek]

I love that you mentioned Slay the Spire! I just started playing StS 2 weeks ago. I've got chronic wrist issues from rock climbing and have recently been needing some games that aren't as physically strenuous as FPS. The depth of strategy and planning needed in StS is insane, to play at all well I find myself needing to sit at my PC with a notepad and my laptop to google stuff. I would enjoy seeing more of your thoughts on the game, I think that the deckbuilding and rouge-like is such an interesting combo.

[@PsychoRavager]

Love your works, man. Definitely agree with you on your opinion on combat in games. I really am not of fan of beating bosses just cuz I got more damage buffs than in my first few tries. I prefer games with meaningful upgrades that don't really turn me into an OP character. I like games that make me think during combat and let me beat boss fights and enemies because I understood their movement patterns and attacks. Also, love that DOOM insert. HAHAHAH. Brilliant.

[@UNSTABLE111]

uhhh you can win based on patterns..its just really fucking difficult but its absilutely possible

[@_KillerD_]

Hades won best action game Doom Eternal lost best action game :(

[@shadowcheto85]

I agree that it's a very grindy game. It took me 80-100 hours in to reach the true ending. And I'm only 10-15 Heat in ... on some weapons. And that is out of possible 64 heat. But I kind of do not agree that it's not a skill based game. Because one of the modifiers for the Heat is disabling your Mirror. So all that is left is the upgrades on your weapons, which is not all that much. So to me the difficulty curve is modified by: 1. Skill - All weapons have different strong sides and a rhythm to them. More skill = faster Damage Dealing and safer DD. 2. Accumulated knowledge of the game - The more you play, the more familiar with attack patterns and room configurations. Rooms are not randomly generated, they are pre-build, but they are randomly placed in your run. Also a big damage increase comes from the knowledge of how different boons work together and how to manipulate the game (picking certain boons or re-rolling to get what you need) to get what you want. This allows you to build awesome kits that feel powerful even in higher heat levels. But this point requires you to like the grind. For me it was the Story that kept me grinding, for Mayo that is usually not that story driven I understand how it may not be interesting to grind. 3. Grind for Titan blood to upgrade weapons, but that is bound to higher heat, so you become more powerful, but the runs become more difficult too. The game opens up when you beat Hades the first time. I was lucky that it took me only 10-15 runs to beat Hades for the first time. So that the story can open up, to add the aditional motivation to grind and for the Heat system to be there, so that the difficulty ramps up. I will never forget how happy I was with one Zag Bow run where the stupid Minotaur and his obnoxious buddy took all 3 of my Death Defiances and I still managed to kill Hades in that run (barely) and I was SO HAPPY, because it was very difficult to do at that time. To me it seems that Mayo was kind of bored with the game before getting to experience the higher heat runs. I'm glad Mayo tried this game. It's really fun one. I hope he continues to put more hours in to it, so he can see more of it's charm. Mayo, check Haelian stream or youtube, he does fun Speedrun attempts at high heats or just meme builds. It's really fund and impressive to watch.

[@SuperAwesomePerson64]

I'd really like to see "Everybody Told Me To Play Hollow Knight" one day. Best metroidvania ever made IMO

[@SteinCodes]

Yo, I have beaten Hades in one of my very first runs. Ofc I played it over 200 runs before in a different save, but I can confirm you can beat the game on base difficulty(without difficulty mods) without any considerable power-ups. You require ok skills, decent luck and a lot of familiarity. Though you still need to clear the game a lot more times for the end game and stuff. Especially if you want to unlock everything, over 70+ runs is pretty much a minimum.

[@olo9127]

if you want a game a lot like hades, but with a linear, structured campaign, I would highly recommend Bastion, the studio's first game. It's not quite as insanely polished as Hades, but the combat is fun, with a similar choice of weapons/daedalus equivalents and difficulty modifiers with a well structured story to follow.

[@leonpaelinck]

", but with a linear, structured campaign" I mean then it's a shell of Hades.

[@meathir4921]

4:00 Well since you asked, these definitions are generally considered wrong. Not meaning to sound rude but the definition of a Roguelite is by the Berlin definition (yes, a committee in Berlin literally made a definition because they were annoyed that games not like Rogue were being called Roguelikes) a game like Rogue. They feature turn based tile movement, true permadeath and aren’t really made anymore. Stuff like NetHack and Angbata are Roguelikes. The Roguelite is spin off genre where most games made in the modern era fall. Roguelites are only defined to have the permadeath and randomly generated dungeons. Everything else is fair game. Hence, Spelunky is a Roguelite, and so is Hades, The Binding of Isaac, Nuclear Throne, Enter the Gungeon, etc.

[@Kn1ghtborne]

Everything you said from 2:43 to 3:04 is exactly why I never took to this playstyle Individual battles look amazing but fighting groups is a nightmare

[@DPtdryste]

You will not love Hades if you skip the dialogue and aren’t invested in learning about the Chthonic gods, demigods, denizens, etc. You gotta read a little in Hades, and if you don’t read at all that’s not the way it was supposed to be played.

[@underthemayo]

I do love hades though. It was one of my favorite games of the year. The art and gameplay and music are strong enough for it to stand strong even if you don't care about the dialogue.

[@pyromax6742]

@@underthemayo will you play hades 2 though?

[@cr33p3rhd6]

Very good as always. A small gripe are the multiple visual spoilers. I feel like it would've been better to put up a small disclaimer in the discription or at the beginning of the video. That way people can solely listen to the video if they care about that kind of stuff.

[@leonpaelinck]

I mean is it a spoiler that Hades is the final boss in a game named Hades?

[@RisenSlash]

Plenty of people haven't played Diablo, you're good. And you went to the effort of distinguishing roguelike vs roguelite without using the Berlin definition, I'm going to cry. That's probably how most people use it though. The satisfaction from killing Hades comes from beating him on a unlucky runs, I'd say. Or incredibly high heat. Ultimately, I don't think your impression of the game is completely atypical. Yahtzee seemed to share your reservations for the repetitive gameplay, it just isn't for everyone.

[@billycubed4383]

Typically I'm not a big fan of rogue likes, Hades caught my attention and it's quickly become a game me and my friends constantly race each other in. I'm glad you took the time to give it a look over and I appreciate the video!

[@JtheBurger]

First Ghostrunner, now Hades...you’re playing all the games on my rotation! (Other than Doom Eternal of course). Hades is my first rougelike (roguelite?) and it’s been a blast. The characters and story are so charming that I can’t help but smile at every conversation. Definitely gotten my money’s worth out of the game and I haven’t even gotten to the epilogue yet!

[@evanmaxston1041]

When you were describing the things you wanted from Hades like a structured campaign, purposefully designed levels, and less grinding I immediately thought of Bastion. It's an older game from Supergiant (devs of Hades) which sounds like it would be more in line with your tastes. The combat and overall gameplay feel very similar, if perhaps a little less crisp.

[@vargamarioalexan9853]

Everyone playing hades every 10 seconds: RANDOM BULLSHIT GO!!!

[@FROSTB4NE]

What I like about the upgrade system is that it basically keeps you hooked and teaches you to learn the combat and the games systems, with spelunky 2 I know it’s a good game, but it can be frustrating and get a little boring for me, leading me to not want to keep playing if I keep dying, I can’t be bothered to get good as I feel like I’m not making progress. Hades on the other hand the upgrades motivate me to keep going and allow me to also learn the enemies move sets. The thing is if you simply just got more powerful and that negated skill it’d also suck, but as I learned with dead cells the first time you beat the game is basically the tutorial, a learning experience and by then, you should have most of the upgrdes unlocked with a plethora of knowledge to keep you motivated to play on higher difficulties, that’s the key, the game then becomes a battle of getting better and better to keep progressing the difficulty tiers, that’s what I like about it anyhow, if you’re skilled enough you can beat hades on the first few runs but most people won’t, I’ve seen a speed runner beat it on the first run but that’s a very rare type of person that’ll be able to do that. What also probably keeps me playing is the combat while spelunky 2 is a different game, but it was the same with dead cells, it just felt extremely good to play, like doom eternal, it’s hard to put down for me. I agree with the secret hunting, I found myself truing to explore certain areas to see if a secret was awaiting me, but to my dismay it was not 😩 Maybe there is some I just don’t know about, but I haven’t found any as of now. After watching this review I’d definitely like to see your take on dead cells, albeit initially it has the whole grind thing, but then turns into an extremely hard game which you pretty much need to learn every enemy attack and pray to the RNG gods.

[@kimphatnguyen9401]

hades is temporary but doom is eternal

[@GhostOfSparta305]

Your point at 5:00 is so spot on, and one of the reasons I prefer rogue-likes to rogue-lites. Rogue-likes recognize that it's about the journey, not the destination. The player is able to achieve because of what THEY learned from their multitude of deaths. Because at the end of the day, failure is learning. Rogue-lites seem like participation trophies in comparison. There's no motivation to actually learn from your mistakes if the game's just going to eventually reward you for your time spent. Great stuff as always, Mayo. You really do have the makings of a great game combat designer.

[@leonpaelinck]

There's no motivation to actually learn from your mistakes if the game's just going to eventually reward you for your time spent. I somewhat disagree. The rewards from your time spent are marginal compared to the Boon build (which is mostly rng). The game does encourage you to learn which boon, status effect, weapon upgrade... work well with each other.

[@leonpaelinck]

FINALLY a game that actually makes you use different builds instead of constantly sticking to your most comfortable combination

[@aelspecto]

7:20 The game you just described happens to be Bastion, the first game made by super giant games, the company behind Hades lol

[@MunkeyChips]

Great to hear your views on this. "Tough shit." I lol'd Suggestion for a vid: Bayonetta!

[@fazzeai]

Hey Mayo, what do you think about Pathalogic 2? It seems like your type of game, so give it a shot.

[@dennisnordlund902]

Yeah I’d like to hear his opinion on that one too!

[@tigerbullet129]

Such a good game, shame it didn't run well on Xbox tho

[@fazzeai]

@@tigerbullet129 developers didn't do well in terms of optimisation, that's sad. But game is still awesome

[@xdearlifex]

It's great, but I don't think mayo would like it. It's mostly reading, and plays like a management Sim in first person.

[@fazzeai]

@@xdearlifex I know. But there is a lot of surviving in it too. Mayo likes complicated gameplay, and Pathologic is complicated as hell.

[@alliebonesVODs]

If you're into this game but want something with less grindy roguelite elements, take a look at the first game by Supergiant: Bastion! It's got similar isometric action with unlockable modifiers and upgradeable weapons, but its less hectic and thus followable. It's got a similarly awesome art style and soundtrack, with an added feature of a handsomely voiced narrator dynamically describing the events as you progress through the linear levels. You can go back to grind for more xp/currency, but the game isn't designed such that you are expected to, and it's more an option for if you're really struggling for some reason even without any difficulty increasing modifiers or if you want to eventually max out everything. Highly recommend it as one of my all-time favs!

[@alliebonesVODs]

Their other games, Transistor and Pyre, are also great games, but I think they'd appeal to you less. Transistor leans more on RPG elements, with a primary mechanic being the ability to pause the action and use certain abilities and Pyre is more focused on the story and the numerous characters that you meet along the way that surrounds a sport-like game than that game itself.

[@CompleteAnimation]

I recommend Nex Machina. It's a pure, uncut, arcade action game. Best game of its kind.

[@mihnealeucea5893]

Congratulation for hitting 60k!

[@ShrtStfflp]

Roguelike as defined the way you are using it follows closely (but not entirely) the Berlin Interpretation. Yes they literally had a conference and held a discussion on what a "roguelike" is. It was so dumb that no-one follows it. Call it what you will, like or lite, just be sure to describe the loop of the game (like the way you did). this was not algorithm food at all, just healthy discussion on a not at all controversial topic.

[@SteveSoper1979]

I'd like to recommend War Pips for an everyone told me to play. if you like strategy games, that one was a real treat.

[@EclipsedGS3]

Damn I always love your honest reviews and the time you take into making sure you express that it’s YOUR opinion, keep up the amazing work and I hope you find even more games to play and enjoy

[@ApocalypseGuy1]

If you want an isometric action game, check out RUINER. It has tons of shooting and melee, dashes, constant weapon switching, and if memory serves it has glory kills as well. You can also beat it in a few hours so it's short and sweet as well.

[@cagencagen473]

Completely agree about not liking grinding aspects of games

[@ryanfrancis3839]

Love how the leading argument for the appeal of this game is that you don't have to move your finger that much😂

[@underthemayo]

It was such a relief!

[@danielgeronimo5538]

I'm a bit torn on this at first because, I'm more of a straight to RPG type of guy (Diablo series addict) But seeing the action is making me reconsider things, ya know what? I think I'm gonna get it

[@Trio3224]

I think a great new game for you could be "enter the gungeon". Overhead camera bullet hell shooter. Also a rouge lite but all you really do is unlock a ton of guns and you unlock just as many bad guns as you do good guns. So you just get more variety rather than overpowered guns

[@TalonVI]

I still need to dedicate more time to Hades. I put 30+ hours into Dead Cells. Both games have distinct art styles but being a retro gamer I really liked the aesthetic of Dead Cells. Like you the responsive controls caught my attention first in Dead Cells. I don't know what it is but it just felt good. Maybe I'll hop back into Hades this weekend.

[@TheWayOfPencil]

The Binding of Isaac is probably best game of that genre. You should try it.

[@poeterritory]

It certainly is up there with the best.

[@colinreynolds01]

TBoI is a great game, truly - it hasn't got shit on Hades though, frankly.

[@dammnpeople3131]

binding of isaac is way more charming and fun than this

[@colinreynolds01]

@@dammnpeople3131 I think you're insane

[@doommaker4000]

@@dammnpeople3131 isaac is bad

[@darkknightx0992]

You don really need to upgrade though, once you learn the mechanics you can beat it with no mirror upgrades at all. My only critique would be more variety in the encounters as every run starts to become the same.

[@OMSOFFICIALS]

Game is incredible...but it's not Doom Eternal....but for real, I appreciate your opinion. To many reviewers don't take enough time to let a game sink in and just suck up all the hype

[@mattbell888]

If you liked the isometric perspective I'd recommend Hyper Light Drifter if you haven't played that. I also think you might like Furi, but know that the devs intend for your first run to be on normal to see everything and get used to the systems first and then play Furier (the bosses are different) if you really want to munch on the mechanics.

[@UNSTABLE111]

STOP SKIPPING DIALOGUE IN THIS GAME FOR FUCK SAKES!!!!!! Its imperative that you read the dialogue, the world building, the character development is absolutely top notched

[@popintarts6362]

2:50 Complains about not being able to see while standing in a cloud of smoke, which is a trap in game literally meant to obscure your vision. While to some extent i agree with your point, this example you have shown is just really poor since that's more of you shooting yourself in the foot rather then it being the game's fault. A lot of the flashy attacks mostly depends on the type of god youre using though. Zeus is the worst offender of flashy attacks, whether by design or by negligence, since most of his attacks depends on these flashy lightning bolts that obscure a lot of the enemy's attacks. Most of my builds use Artemis a lot, which is a whole lot better since her effects arent as flashy as the others. Also another general tip is that each enemy has their own distinct sound, which helps to pin point which targets you want to go for first as well as when their attacking or not. There comes a point where your in game skill really alleviates these sorts of problems since youre going to be killing things quite fast that they dont have much time to become a problem. Also for the selectable difficulty, try using the Forced Overtime one. It speeds up enemy attack animations changes the game a whole lot. That and the Extreme Measures option, which adds a lot extra to the boss fights. Getting the true ending after 10 complete runs unlocks the option to change up the final boss too.

[@ilijapajkanovic5784]

Oh yess that 10 minute gap just hit right.

[@jenbooob]

Bull rush into shield throw on chaos variant of aegis shield

[@joepapa4490]

This game is an alternative version of Bastion, it's a really cool game.

[@PurushaDesa]

I think that’s slightly harsh because the difficulty also scales up with the escape attempts thanks to the heat/bounty system.

[@Chungan333]

I would really suggest trying out Warhammer 40k: Mechanicus. It's a really good turn-based strategy game with an excelent soundtrack, atmosphere and gameplay.

[@raywez1771]

Absolutely. May the omnisaier bless you!

[@the_reasonable_one5554]

I love warhammer a lot but I think something like vermintide 2 would be more his style. I like the way you think though! I say that because I don’t think I’ve heard him mention turn-based games but maybe I’m wrong idk

[@Golemon_of_Cat]

To add on to the whole "if you like to replay many runs unlock it all" is the story. Hades is one of the only games to properly integrate story into the repetiveness of roguelites. to get all unique dialoges and story events(many continue after true ending) would take more runs then fully upgrading stats, gear and hub. On paper the game boasts "over 300k words of text", these arent just "hey whats good", most are npc-npc interaction, greek myth reference/jokes, and deeper character development quests. favourites of mine are. - 2 romantic nights - threesome - friendzoned - pranked the musician saying you are the god of wine, and him then making a song about it("hymn to zagrues") to your embrassesment - getting "sleep incarnate" an autograph from "the god of war" etc. The reason "under the mayo" doesnt mention this and why i dont blame him for it, is because of how long you have be into the game to reach all these fun events, if you arent that grapped by the game, you wont have time to reach the best questlines, in which there is loads of once you get to it.. f.x some high-end events requires "ambrosia" which you only get from the 3rd boss on a difficulty modifier 1 above the last victory agaisnt that buff. that itself isnt bad in practice, but you only get 1 per run, and you need between 5-10 for each character(lots of deep events happen without these, but all characters have a bigger questline that only appears when these are given). the cons here are obvious, but the pros are great imagine each dead cells run having 5 minuttes worth of interesting story for 1000+ runs. like an additional reward for unlocking everything. again, totally okay to not be engaged in spite of this.

[@underthemayo]

I've enjoyed the story bits at the end. I've beaten it 5 times now and I like those interactions.

[@Golemon_of_Cat]

@@underthemayo dunno what you mean with "I've been it 5 times now", but glad you didnt miss out.

[@underthemayo]

@@Golemon_of_Cat typo. Beaten.

[@Golemon_of_Cat]

@@underthemayo Oh yeah, that defiently not much. not even the epilogue, but i guess enough for the "ending". Another factor that also opens with time is weapon variety through aspects, which leads to build variety. since upgrading makes aspects more viable, thus more freedom(favourites of mine being, chaos shield/chiron bow with poseidon/zeus duo boon + zeus legendary). theres also hidden aspects that only unlock after investing titan blood into weapons(around 5), that have a bigger change in moveset than regular aspects.

[@fwdooms2540]

I wish this game had more secret areas or split paths because it really only has the secret charon fight and that's it but other then that for me it's a solid game

[@enkiduo]

Nice review, I 100% agree. I was enjoying hades without loving it through beta, I prolly should play it some more but not super excited too. Risk of Rain 2 has really blown it out of the roguelikes water for me as of late - that game tends to very much divide people into love it / hate it camps and it got me into the love it camp (after being confused the first few hours).

[@vegitoblue3613]

I don't know if you would like it but Dragons dogma Dark arisen is a game I played quite a lot as a kid that I would recommend. I think it's a masterpiece but that's just me.

[@annabella1650]

Dragons Dogma is a good choice, especially with how they deal with combos and letting you climb up bigger creatures.

[@DrNiradino]

Original definition of Roguelike is a top-down turn-based RPG with randomly generated levels and opponents, as well as permadeath and lack of any kind of progression. ADoM, ToME, NetHack or from more recent ones - Stoneshard is a classic example of such a games. Then Binding of Isaac was released and called itself a Roguelike despite lacking most of the qualities, and everything with some degree of random and lack of save feature got called "roguelike". "Roguelite" is an attempt to split classic "Roguelikes" from more modern "Random and no save" games, though it just added more confusion into the mix, and by now nobody knows what anything means.

[@imtoddhowardandimadeskyrim6553]

2:43 so you mean diarea Christmas lights

[@IbrahimKhan-ix9vt]

7:17 I love you mayo

[@spicycaco2061]

honestly Hades is the one game I'd be fine seeing Eternal loose awards to this year

[@advangel9763]

Because I guess this is the place where we suggest games for you to play I'd like to recommend Sekiro because out of all the souls games it would probably be the most up your alley.

[@aidanlynch8415]

I tried it last night and the "grind until you're strong enough to win" aspect killed it for me. I don't see what's fun about that. And even if you can supposedly beat the game without any upgrades, if you take away that it seems like all you have left is just have a dull hack and slash. I got to stop buying these "overwhelmingly positive" reviewed games, because they seem to always end up being incredibly mediocre gameplay-wise.

[@legathar8558]

I agree with you on pretty much every point, so I'm gonna recommend you another bullet hell roguelike/lite that I think is better than Hades: Enter the Gungeon. I got Hades, but I've since then stopped playing since I was turned off by the roguelite instead of roguelike gameplay just like you were, and I have to say, Enter the Gungeon is so much better. In EtG, you're always able to see where your character is, so there's never any unfair deaths, and while you can unlock new items, they don't make the game easier, just more varied, so you still feel like you're making progress when you die, making it much closer to a full-on roguelike than a rougelite (it's actually referred to as a roguelike-lite-like by the developers. The gunplay in EtG is pretty smooth and you're always able to dodge the projectiles of enemies. EtG does have a worse art style than Hades, as it has a pixel-art article, which I'm personally not a fan of as well as a worse soundtrack, and EtG doesn't really have much of a story at all, but it doesn't really need those things when the gameplay and combat loop is so good. I have nearly 330 hours on EtG, it's one of my favorite games ever, and I can not recommend it enough.

[@Lucasio1209]

Is it worth a play through? I’ve been hearing incredible things about it, hell it even got nominated for game of the year 2020.

[@readerxmc6974]

Yes.

[@cheese5081]

If what he talked about in this video peaked your interest go ahead, it's cheap and you most likely won't regret it.

[@SuperSilvi1990]

Yes I HATE ROUGE LIKES but this one is good. It still has the bs health that it's good.

[@Agrinddandi]

Have you watched the video?

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

Its cheap so why not. But not everyone will love this game, only a very specific type of player

[@amunkhufu]

Just wasted $16 on this game. I wish I had known it is the pinnacle of boredom before buying it

[@DPtdryste]

Probably a top 3 favorite game for me. I love it and when I was very very far in I was still running into new dialogue and getting better and better

[@Capconian]

Have you tried Vanquish yet? It's completely skill based, no character upgrades, you come in and come out from beginning to end, although the lower difficulties you can "infuse" same weapons to be stronger. God hard thought, 0 upgrades, it's all you. And the trials are amazing.

[@joepapa4490]

Yup, basically Bastion but on steroids.

[@DUMBI43]

Would you like to try out Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice? It's a From Software's third person shinobi simulator that takes place in a magical world of feudal Japan with rhythmic melee combat and excellent portrayal of fencing. It's more story driven than most of From Soft's games with more intense and structured combat and brutal finishing moves. Tho you'll have to move the camera with a stick or use lock-on once again, so that's a bummer lol P.s. I'm not an English native, so sorry for weird wording in case I had some here

[@bruhder5854]

He's not into souls like iirc. If you're someone that's big into the fast paced, in depth combat which allows for a good variety of combos with each enemy and multiple easy weapon switches, from soft games generally won't be appealing to you.

[@js-gc2hk]

Hades Is just Dead Cells and Blinding of Isaac put together Okay got it :)

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

Lol

[@nikitachumachenko3412]

Since you asked: I feel like the progression based devision on what is roguelike and roguelite, which became prevalent because of the Game Maker's Toolkit video, is wrong. See none of these games have literally no meta progress that is saved between the runs, there are still achievement based progress, unlocks or, for example, shortcuts in Spelunky. And there is, to me, not that much difference between direct upgrades and other forms of progression in these games, because no matter what mechanic is used, the goal is still to give you the ability to change all of your future runs through your actions on the current one. So call me pedantic or old-fasioned but for me roguelike is still supposed to be a turn-based procedurally generated rpg on a grid.

[@D0MIN0W4LKER]

Yo you should try hotline miami, it's a rush of fast paced action that rewards fast reflexes

[@damienlopez5607]

Well you should try out dead cells, it's kind of like this except you don't have the relationship mechanics in the game and it's like Castlevania combined with roguelike. Honestly I'm surprised I barely heard of this game because it came out in 2018 and literally one of the best games I've ever played but there is grinding for cells which is the only down side if you won't good gear but still pretty fun

[@GuyOnTheInternet53]

I hate rogue likes but you convinced me to give this a shot, I like that your progress carrys over, like yea progression I knew this genre was missing something

[@jwilsthem.c3780]

This game is really fun But the grind really was starting to hurt toward the end. I love the characters, the voice acting, story and art but once you've gotten enough stuff so Zagreus is powerful heart rooms and gem rooms become useless when you could just have rooms for more Boons or Poms. Like most of the game had me immersed in it but at the very in I very much felt like I was pushing through just to see the first ending but overall still a great experience from a very small dev.

[@LeviathanMusic1]

None of the rooms are actually procedurally generated. Each one was hand made, some with multiple angles, and they just appear in random orders.

[@Silentguy_78]

hey mayo have you tried serious sam games?btw amazing video as usual

[@Killerdroid]

I love how Mayo is a fan of Cryst Beam

[@Conflict1922]

You know it's bad when I look at Hades and OG Megaman X & go "We need a Doom Eternal version of these, just because" 16bit Doomslayer side scroller like Megaman X would be a cool little game.

[@СергейСоболев-х4ч]

Wish that someday you'll sheck out Shank. Great combat loop with strikingly cool combosystem, simular to DmC.

[@Cri_Jackal]

You should check out Bastion, the first action game of this style made by the studio.

[@Joobvideos]

I can see where you're coming from with the rogue lite elements, but I definitely wouldn't say that the game requires grinding You can absolutely beat the game on a fresh save on the first escape attempt, there is nothing stopping you from doing so Some people will beat the game sooner than other people, depending on their skill and how many upgrades they need. But the upgrades aren't nearly as important as learning the mechanics of the enemies and discovering builds

[@CIinbox]

If you want more rogue-lite, you should give Ziggurat a go. A solid FPS rogue-lite.

[@L251125]

I can't understand this dude's obsession with "Moving the camera". It's not a big deal and all, and even if it is to you then I still can't understand that complaint in DMC5. You barely have to move the camera in that game mid fight...

[@KillaCheeto56]

Well since I saw a gauntlet weapon I gotta play this now. Also would love to hear your thoughts of God Hand and Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2.

[@maiqtheliar9317]

Great video as always Mayo. I definitely really enjoyed the game it’s probably my runner up for game of the year behind DOOM eternal. Glad to see you gave it a try

[@iamproxy2518]

You should try the binding of Isaac Afterbirth+ or Dead Cells, both are a mix of rouge like and rouge lite.