Underwood vs Buffalo Bore Ammunition | 9mm, 357 Magnum and 10mm Into Clear Ballistics Gel

[@stevecooper7037]

Anyone who buys ammo on a regular basis knows that Underwood ammo gives you the best bang for your buck among premium ammunition. Thanks for doing this test. Keep the 10mm tests coming!

[@thegundungeon]

Thank you for watching! Got a few more good 10mm tests coming

[@pvmnightmare8982]

@@thegundungeon you should do a 10mm hollow point one, I’d like to see Gold dot vs Federal HST

[@jpg_sig10]

Agreed! 👍

[@johnwhoissavedbygrace9975]

Gold dot is trash, HST is the only one I’d ever carry as an off duty policeman. Gold dot expansion is mild at best

[@mikesuch9021]

You can even buy your own and let them up really hot.

[@thatoneguy454c]

Underwood and Buffalo bore are both fantastic, you cant go wrong with either of them.

[@ericbergfield6451]

Damn, you found apples-to-apples matching ammo types between Underwood & Buffalo Bore! ...This is gonna be a dank ass comparison video!

[@thegundungeon]

Lol thank you, hope you enjoy!

[@Bunchquitter]

A very nicely done and informative video! I like that you had everything prepared and ready to go; no fumbling nor delays: nor did you waste time with unnecessary talk. The penetration, chronograph and cost factors are all there for us to make our decision.

[@zhevy1]

Both the Underwood and Buffalo bore are in a class of their own. When it comes down to wood protection, you're covered. I have a .40 cal S&W and a 9mm H&K I take with me to the outdoors of Colorado loaded with Underwood. I plan on getting some Buffalo Bore so I can have my spare magazines loaded with both. Nice video. I thought the 147 gr was going to underperform velocity wise, but I was pleasantly surprised. Good stuff!

[@robertburgard8588]

I have noticed that under wood semi auto cartridges are hotter than BB but BB revolver cartridges are hotter.

[@thegundungeon]

Might have to test further with these

[@biggunshandguns3687]

And hotter not just a little but usually 200+ fps

[@jimedick9496]

As far as the box numbers go, I’ve always noticed that as well. I’m a fan of both companies

[@pbeardy]

Perfect big boy test!! I can never find Underwood in my area, but I do occasionally find Buffalo Bore. I seriously think one cannot go wrong with either!

[@thegundungeon]

I rarely see it local, I just buy online most of the time

[@Hutzjohn]

Many gun channels get the same results ----- for revolver ammo it's Buffalo Bore all the way --- for auto ammo Underwood loads their ammo a tiny bit hotter BUT Buffalo Bore's hard cast bullets are harder than Underwood's hard cast bullets -- However I seriously doubt any deer or bear will know the difference in hardness! In Alaska the B.B. 357 mag seems a far better choice with harder bullets and 147 fps faster --- could make the difference with a thousand pound grizzly.

[@tendraftsdeep]

This should be a great test! Good idea matching these up

[@thegundungeon]

I hope you enjoy it!

[@jamesmcfarland2636]

It's not strange that the slower bullets went deeper, look up Garrett ammo hammer heads 45-70 they can out penatrate a 458wm because the speed of the mag is used as energy

[@AMF96]

I’ve never used either of them but from everything I’ve seen both seem to be great premium ammo. Probably gonna buy some of the Underwood soon over the Buffalo Bore just because the Underwood seems to be priced a bit better.

[@curtis6554]

I live in black bear country and carry a 10mm and a 41 magnum when in the woods. I use underwood and not because it is so much better but because it is cheaper. deer hunt with the 41 and it has never let me down. great video good to see an apple to apple comparison. be safe

[@Gator69420]

Underwood , grizzly, buffalo bore all solid!

[@11aaguilar]

Wow, for us in Alaska you are posting much needed content. I've always wondered how these would compare and how much penetration a 9mm would get. Most KZbin channels will put one, maybe two gel blocks back-to-back and then throw a bunch of water jugs behind them. Not a consistent medium, way too high of a chance of a bullet going wary, and just not as "scientific" as your methods. This is especially helpful for those shooters who maybe can't handle the recoil of a 10mm or stronger, so knowing 9mm hard cast can still get the job done is very needed. Thanks Gun Dungeon.

[@thegundungeon]

Thank you for the kind words, hope you continue to enjoy the content!

[@atomross13]

Great test. Love me some underwood ammo, never have ponied up for the buffalo bore.

[@thegundungeon]

I’ll probably stick to underwood

[@mnyee1995]

Great test. I think if the 1st test with Underwood 9mm didn't hit the table, it might penetrate the 3rd gel block all the way through as well.

[@357mag84]

Great video! Thank you, sir.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

As per usual, Underwood falls shy of Buffalo Bore in rimmed revolver loads, whereas they typically excel in rimless semi-auto loads. The 180gr Buffalo Bore .357 magnum gave you 4-inch L-frame published data velocity, from your 4-5/8-inch SAA.

[@mkshffr4936]

In the 357 (which is the only one of these which interests me) the wound track was noticeably better so you do get something for the extra money. It is questionable whether it is worth the extra money however.

[@Mikehunt-90]

Underwood is one of the best most constant ammo on the market for the price i carry Underwood in my home defense AR all my pistols.

[@erichanson7293]

Good review. Both manufacturers produce suitable woods loads. It is interesting to note that the Winchester 9mm M1152 115 gr FNJHP will also penetrate 48" of clear ballistics gel. It's a fairly hot load and zips right on through. It's cheaper, too. Does that make it a great bear defense load?...

[@thegundungeon]

Personally if I’m using a hard cast as defense, I want the widest, flattest front area on the bullet I can get. Even though these rounds all penetrated sufficiently, I’d still carry my 44 mag with a 310g gas checked handload.

[@erichanson7293]

I dont blame you. Of those you tested, the 10mm is the best.

[@mdubb4855]

Since my baseline is 22 Stinger, any of these are huge upgrades, and price dies pay a big role. I really want to learn more about the new milspec Winchester 9mm...and what pistols can cope with it.

[@mghegotagun]

​@@thegundungeon Would you happen to remember which of the 9mm had the wider flat face? What are your thoughts on 9mm xtreme penetrator from underwood for 4 legged defense?

[@thegundungeon]

@@mghegotagun they looked very similar to me. I still have them sitting here and I can’t tell a difference. Honestly I don’t buy into the extreme penetrators for anything other than maybe 380, and they would be for personal defense and not woods defense. Other than that hard cast is cheaper and performs the same

[@Devious_Reviews]

Out of curiosity I looked up 'most powerful' brands because this year KZbin has been sticking random wilderness defense videos into my other channel's feed for reasons unknown, from months to 12 years ago. Thanks to you I know now this Buffalo Bore is fantastic .... but too fantastic to use in defense toward another human being. Big chonkin' bear? Sure. Moose? Likely. Maaaaybe if there are 3 bad guys standing in a row. No need for overpenetration + collateral damage! I'll stick to what's in my stockpile now. Here's hoping it never has to be used. (Knocks on desk)

[@TripleSArmory]

Good info. Thanks for putting this test together!

[@SNIPER_NO_SNIPING]

Wish you showed the recoil of each round, that is another important deciding factor.

[@thegundungeon]

Stout… just know that lol 😂

[@Moss535]

Awesome test man, very interesting. Also sweet 75 you got there sir!

[@thegundungeon]

Thank you!

[@silverhorder1969]

I don’t understand the purpose of hardcast in 9mm. Any FMJ 124 gr 9mm will also penetrate in gel as much. I kinda do in those larger calibers, but I would prefer JSP in .357, 44mag and the bigger 460-500 as well. With JSP you get deep penetration with a little bit of deformation. A lot cheaper price too!

[@thegundungeon]

I actually have a video showing this. 9mm hard cast vs fmj through bone and gel lol

[@silverhorder1969]

@@thegundungeon I’ll have to check that out. Thanks

[@grahamohea2424]

4:50 Gel Bock Jerry is so unimpressed that he fell asleep

[@thegundungeon]

Lol 😂 hard cast don’t give him much a workout

[@frankmartinez5659]

I own an M&P 10mm and just wanted to know, how far were you shooting from?

[@thegundungeon]

No more than 7 yards and no less than 4. Best I can tell ya lol.

[@fasteddie5388]

I don't have much hard cast ammo. Only two boxes in 9 mm for when I go in areas there night be predetory animals. And both boxes are Buffalo Bore.

[@fasteddie5388]

Actually not that I think about I might have one box of underwood ammo in 9mm. 😅

[@kevinfarris3581]

I like CZ and XDM.

[@thegundungeon]

Me too! CZ is my favorite handgun maker

[@robertshay9951]

Damn nice 75. Grips look great on that one! I also have a few CZ's myself. Great weapons.

[@Valorius]

Interestingly, 380+P 100gr hard cast from Underwood and BB also penetrates 40".

[@thegundungeon]

That’s insane lol 😂

[@brutalbob3982]

Nice test TGD on the same bullet weights. Penetration is impressive, yet this isn't the type of ammunition to be used in a closley populated area. Good bear round though.

[@thegundungeon]

Oh yeah definitely not for two legged defense. This video was a request from some members on the highroad forum, that’s why I did hard cast

[@jpyrosky3825]

Just about every test I've seen on Underwood Ammo throughout different calibers the velocity on the box has been understated, it actually performes above stated velocity. Not too impressive here for whatever reason

[@johnw4999]

There’s not enough of a difference to make a difference between the two companies to justify the expense of BB over UW. And as you said, UW provides nickel plated cases over brass. While brass is fine, nickel is better (and costs more).

[@thegundungeon]

Kinda where I stand on it too

[@adonikam1]

EXCELLENT VIDEO. ILL STICK with Buffalo Bore. Especially if it is hollow point bullets. Underwood uses Nosler bullets that mushroom too quickly and don't penatrate near as deep as I prefer. Buffalo Bore uses XTP from Hornady.

[@Gator69420]

Underwood uses xtp as well

[@Valorius]

An often overlooked 3rd comparable option IMO is doubletap ammunition. They have very similar advertised velocities and loadings to Underwood and BB.

[@thegundungeon]

Seems like I used to hear a lot more from double tap. I hardly ever see their stuff anymore.

[@Valorius]

@@thegundungeon They used to have sales all the time pre covid, I used to buy from them a lot. Their 9mm+P gold dot load has as much velocity as UW's and BB's 9mm+P+ loads do. Doubletap seems to have somehow slipped through the cracks of gun guys consciousness, but they are still around and it is still really good ammo.

[@greybeard277]

Good stuff. I don't think either one will be a bad choice. How many blocks would you need to catch those projectiles?

[@thegundungeon]

I’m not sure but the odds of me being able to place shots that stay straight for 4 blocks is very low lol 😂

[@Hammerback0]

20% gel may help catch them. Dont know for sure, clear ballistics gel advertises it as such.

[@randymoats2059]

Usually takes 6 blocks to catch the 10mm

[@beakfish7319]

I think for what you're getting, underwood is a far far better deal. I have underwood in some mags and cylinders and buffalo bore in the others. My 2 favorite brands, cant go wring with either but i lean toward underwood because of the price point. I also like those nickle casings too. Haha

[@jamespugh]

Great test. Unly issue here i see as you as handloader can loads same loads ur self with hard cast bullets. Cw sent me bunch in .401 to load for 40s&w to make own outdoors man. Have check nickel brass lot of it is regular brass with s coating over it.

[@thegundungeon]

I typically do roll my own, this video was done per request from some members on the highroad forum.

[@jamespugh]

@@thegundungeon good video for some to look at that don't reload. Alaskan Ballistics in chukes outdoors both done lot testing for bear defense with them.

[@boltgun7266]

Were the recovered bullets still normal looking or had they mushroomed at all?

[@thegundungeon]

They were all hard cast, no deformation in the gel.

[@philipfreeman72]

Good test THANKS.

[@thegundungeon]

Thank you and thanks for watching!

[@AlekseySh1982]

Underwood a little better with semiauto, Buffalo Bore is the wheelgun ammo king.

[@thegundungeon]

May have to test that theory lol 😂

[@DJ369-Miami]

High powered ammo is of course totally overpriced. Those couple of grains of more powder cost pennies!

[@thegundungeon]

You’re correct. Another reason to be a hand loader lol.

[@johnblackwood1337]

I didn't know Underwood Ammo querido 147 grain flat nose + P ammo until someone tell me about it on another site. I've been trying to get some Buffalo Bore for a year. I'm in North Carolina and I carry a 9 mm everywhere. If I go down in the woods I put the 147 grain flat nose Underwood Ammo in whatever I'm toting. I've never carried a full size. I've got a Ruger MAX 9 that I usually carry. We have coyotes Wild Hogs despite what people think we have mountain lions also and a few blackbear. You can never dismiss the random Sasquatch either.

[@thegundungeon]

I want some 44 mag action for the squatch’s!! Lol 😂

[@kineticenergy1085]

Sweet video brah, all around 😎👍🏽

[@ernest9606]

Good ammo for being In the woods. Definitely not a home defense choice in any of them. If I was camping or on the trail Definitely good choice but I'm going with the BB 357

[@pbeardy]

Looking forward to this slugfest!

[@thegundungeon]

I don’t think I’ve seen the two compared back to back in more than one flavor in any videos. Hope everyone enjoys

[@oakmeal53]

Interesting, thank you!

[@pughoneycutt1986]

In the area where I live underwood is quite a bit more expensive than the buffalo bore, go figure.

[@johnnymccann5607]

As a reloader of over 44years of knowledge, experience of many calibers I know hard cast bullets, even those with 22to 24 brinnel hardness factor have usefulness with the right application. many people want to super charge there ammunition. but hard cast bullets can be pushed two fast and break up. unless person doesn't live around anyone these type bullets should only be use for its intended purpose. these 3 test calibers would have no problem shooting through my old wood frame house with lap German pine siding.to each there own options. I greatly enjoyed the video. Papa wishing you well 😊

[@andywilson8698]

Glad you didn't use the 45acp +p255 gr hardcast, would have made the other calibers look like jokes!!! 2 world wars!!!

[@thegundungeon]

Lol 😂

[@varietasVeritas]

A couple of old phone books will catch those bullets for you.

[@thegundungeon]

I thought about adding another block but the odds of me placing a shot that stays straight that long is low lol 😂

[@varietasVeritas]

@@thegundungeon A cardboard box filled with newspaper would work too.

[@raylynch5098]

❤ a big powerful handgun rounds are cool but if I'm in Bear Country I'd rather have a rifle under my arm

[@thegundungeon]

Yes sir or a 12g slug lol

[@geneotrexler8246]

Enjoyable and informative video👍

[@thegundungeon]

Thank you, and thanks for watching!

[@charlesphillips5906]

Would love to see this repeated with short barrels

[@thegundungeon]

I’ll add it to my video list lol

[@johnw4999]

With hard cast (10mm anyway) you’ll get essentially the same penetration performance from say a 3.8 inch barrel as you’d get from a 5 in.

[@jimscallen6452]

Any of them will do the job. In a self defense situation.

[@zachariahz9832]

Im sticking with buffalo bore, no hate for the underwood though.

[@joneifer8987]

Looks like good zombie stoppers.

[@thegundungeon]

Zombie griz lol

[@kennethrisner8648]

This test shows that even a 9mm with that kind of penetration would be plenty enough for bear defense.

[@thegundungeon]

Hard casts dig deep lol

[@peterdarlington4117]

Go try it! 🤣

[@kennethrisner8648]

@@peterdarlington4117 I'll pass lol

[@chemex9968]

excellent video

[@LIONTAMER3D]

Underwood is loaded to saami specs AND is uniformly more accurate than buffalo bore, accordingly.

[@tendraftsdeep]

If anyone breaks into my home, they will meet the Buffalo out of a Smith classic 586-2 😂

[@observo-escucho-analizo6750]

No Caliber Seemed to Be Superior to the Other

[@jared8324]

The 125 Buffalo bore is much hotter in the 357 , that’s where the 357 shines

[@Valorius]

Bringin' the heat today boys!

[@thegundungeon]

Lol hitting the wallet hard for this one too! 😂

[@Valorius]

@@thegundungeon Buffalo Bore is NOT cheap, that's for sure!

[@chemex9968]

👏 amazing

[@jasonskillinngrillin5977]

Deff not a big enough diff for the money.

[@thegundungeon]

That’s my thoughts as well.

[@shawnsadventures2852]

You hit the table, you should of redone.. Test in 9mm is no test

[@NEMOMEIMPUNELACESSIT1]

Grizzly beats both

[@larryderagowski8273]

FJB

[@jared8324]

The 125g 357mag Buffalo bore has more energy than any of their 10mm rounds

[@caseymelick8023]

Grunts and groans and sound effects dude you could do without