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@ThomasFromTN7 ай бұрын
Bayless is a prisoner of revisionist history. Vinateiri deserved MVP of the first two Patriot Super Bowls. The Falcons AND the Seahawks chokes deserve MVP of one Super Bowl each. That leaves Brady with three - THREE - Super Bowl wins where it isn't necessarily easy to point at a different player or a weird situation as the reason for a player's individual Super Bowl "success."
@tracymoore30077 ай бұрын
Just think if Mahomes was on the Cowboys would skip love him 😅😅😅
@Mannyfreshkidd667 ай бұрын
Sit Down Richard Sherman! When you try me with some sorry facts like Sherman we tell em to sit down!!!!
@rubenbarrios62097 ай бұрын
Exactly. According to Bayless… no one can surpass MJ or Tom Brady. Even if Mahomes wins the same 7 rings and does the 1st 3peat in Football just because Mahomes loss to Tom Brady. So do we consider Eli Manning better than Tom because Tom never beat Eli in the SB? Absolutely not, it’s ridiculous 😂
@rg320227 ай бұрын
We need to.give shout out to Andy Reid. ❤
@christianchatagnier40297 ай бұрын
Arm talent of Aaron Rodger’s and the clutch ability of Brady is a scary thing
@itsjason80977 ай бұрын
Brady clutched on him tho
@ricocameron24267 ай бұрын
@@itsjason8097I think that will be what keeps him from the Goat debate!
@ajmango2107 ай бұрын
@@ricocameron2426Not really, mahomes is better at playing qb than brady.
@Ronnieromance7 ай бұрын
No arm talent isnt close to Rodgers. Mahomes does have the total package tho
@albertrobinson41337 ай бұрын
Rodgers Special teams and defenses have literally got him sent packing year after year
@matthewgandy97747 ай бұрын
ME AND MY SON HAD THIS SAME CONVERSATION AFTER LAST NIGHT SUPERBOWL CAN MAHOMES BE CONSIDERED AS BEING THE GOAT OF QUARTERBACK WE BOTH AGREED THAT MAHOMES NEEDS TO WIN MORE SUPERBOWLS AS FAR AS PASSING YARDS HE'LL GET THEM BECAUSE THE NFL HAS BECOME A PASSING LEAGUE AS MY SON STATED TO ME
@antoinemaxima60367 ай бұрын
Why do you guys have a problem with Mahomes chasing 7? Russell played in a era where his league had only 10 teams. Brady and Mahomes both had to deal with 31 other nfl teams including each other.
@AlrightLetsGo1117 ай бұрын
Their both right. Good looking pass can be seen as up for grabs for both offense and defense.
@danielledao67787 ай бұрын
Of course Skip thinks Michael is over reacting. Lets remember AFC championship a player was lined up off sides and kept them from going to the Super Bowl, he actually brought them back to get that AFTER Brady threw an interception. So lets not talk about rough because Mahomes couldn't run from him O line fast enough during the Super Bowl he lost. Skip will continue to look ridiculous because he cannot just admit how good he is.
@benyoung52457 ай бұрын
It’s his 3rd Super Bowl MVP
@Titanvol917 ай бұрын
Mahomes gets a 4th and its a legit conversation and we'll see where he ends with league MVPs..... I don't think he needs to get to 5 even necessarily. Mahomes is already better than Montana....This is more Sherman hommer talk.
@adamgrossenbacher71157 ай бұрын
does he have cte?
@tomkat_Kansas7 ай бұрын
Love watching these haters eat crow. Mahomes is one of the best to ever take the field.
@NathanAnderson-o3i7 ай бұрын
Skip is such a goofball. I'd be embarrassed if he was my grandpa. lol Mahomes played "bad" against the Bucs? Really? He was playing on a turf toe missing 4 starting OL against the best d-line in the NFL that year running for his life with receivers dropping balls that were hitting them in the hands.
@sage13367 ай бұрын
If MaHomes leaves the chiefs & wins a bowl somewhere else like Brady left New England & win , everbody will hate coach Reid & say he sux just billichik
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m7 ай бұрын
Patrick Mahomes first 6 seasons: 6 AFC titles 4 Super Bowl appearances 3 Super Bowl titles 3 Super Bowl MVPs 2 NFL MVPs 2 5,000 yard passing seasons 50 TD passes 3 All Pros 6 Pro Bowls And he’s only 28
@michaelcooke89897 ай бұрын
Sounds impressive to me and hes only gonna add to that resume
@person-ce8cr7 ай бұрын
5 afc titles. 6 appearances
@letsgobrandon4647 ай бұрын
You need to revise your stat line
@mrw12087 ай бұрын
@@person-ce8cr No, 4 AFC titles.
@anthonyvespia66626 ай бұрын
I'm not the best at stats. I know Brady has shattered just about everything out there. I saw him in Ten SB's. I don't agree with these guys. Mahomes now has three!! And he's only a quarter into his career. Seven is very possible,with this guy. And I'll be the 1st to say, very well deserved. He's just that friggin amazing!! 🏈🏆🏆🏆
@mcflynugget58937 ай бұрын
Mahomes could win 10 superbowls and Skip still would say Tom is the goat
@julianmayo56507 ай бұрын
No he wouldn't skip loves greatness... If Mahomes passed Brady... He would admit it... He did the same thing with early Brady... Attacked his credentials, when people compared him to Montana... Wasn't until he truly started coming close to Montana that he gave him all the credit... His favorite players are Jordan and Brady.. The moment sometime passes them, they will become his favorite player too.. Mahomes has to do a lot more still to come near Brady... Let alone pass him.. Let's just say he's on right trajectory... But 3 titles and 2 MVPs does not make the GOAT
@tad62817 ай бұрын
Until Mahomes wins 6 rings with 6 game winning drives, and then goes to Tampa in a Covid year and no training camp and wins another, he won’t be better.
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
@@julianmayo5650 but he’s more “goat” than majority of the quarterbacks that you and majority of fans think are better than Mahomes ! Lamar, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Hurts, Dak, Cousins, Purdy 💀 all these guys are NOBODY compared to Mahomes yet you guys wanna crown them every year. Nobody is better than Mahomes, meek hating.
@Wargasm547 ай бұрын
Nah, if Mahomes passes Brady, he becomes the goat. But the thing people forget is that Tom Brady has 7 Superbowl rings. SEVEN!! That’s 2.3 times as many as Mahomes. AND Brady beat Mahomes in a Superbowl. People seem to forget about that. Look, Mahomes is a beast. And the best quarterback in the league. No questions. But he’s not the goat…..yet. He’s definitely on a trajectory to be the goat. But he’s not yet. Once he passes Tom , he then becomes the goat.
@kellogy20237 ай бұрын
If he gets 5 I'm putting him in the conversation. He will match Montana
@rustyshackleford79297 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who is aware that this is his 3rd Super Bowl MVP?
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m7 ай бұрын
All I know is Patrick Mahomes has always been the main catalyst for the 3 super bowls they have won
@GameTime-yj6qv7 ай бұрын
So did Brady, including 6 game winning Super Bowl drives
@bern7177 ай бұрын
The catalyst last night was a muffed punt
@duvaltilwedie9047 ай бұрын
That’s literally all I know. When Brady threw interceptions and lost super bowls it was always belichick’s fault or the defenses fault.
@dresantana71577 ай бұрын
@@GameTime-yj6qvBrady was not the first 3 sb
@GameTime-yj6qv7 ай бұрын
@@duvaltilwedie904 no, it was the defense fault that they couldn't stop Eli twice at the end of two Super Bowls or Nick Foles for an entire Super Bowl.
@JD-ge9eb7 ай бұрын
Why does it seem like Skip and Sherm are just trying to find any way to kinda discredit Patrick Mahomes at every turn? 😂
@kevonsidek97377 ай бұрын
Cuz mahomes dethroned shermans 49ers twice and skip knows mahomes is on pace to challenge brady for the greatest qb of all time title
@GameTime-yj6qv7 ай бұрын
They made valid points. Mahomes is the best of this generation, but hold your horses before you put him past Montana or compare him to Brady
@brianhenry79837 ай бұрын
Becsuse mahomes is already declining, Brady was getting better year after year
@JD-ge9eb7 ай бұрын
@@brianhenry7983 Mahomes is in no way declining. Idk what you’re watching. Saying a guy that just won his 3rd Super Bowl and 2 back to back is declining is crazy. 😂
@brianhenry79837 ай бұрын
@@JD-ge9eb he's gotten incredible lucky and has been carried by his defense the last couple years. He's basically just a game manager nowadays who rides his defense. Without the best defense in the game mahomes can't win because his avengers aren't there or are about to retire. He's gonna get exposed as the fraud goat next year and every year after
@ITACHI-hr8eu7 ай бұрын
Mahomes is the perfect storm of a QB: he brings you the stats of Marino & Peyton, the winning of Montana & Brady, the clutchness of a Elway & Brady, the highlight worthy plays of an Aaron Rodgers, the mobility of a Steve Young, the toughness & arm talents of Favre.
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
He IS the guy, and he’s going to be THE guy for the next 8-10 years probably.
@MphoNyamande7 ай бұрын
Great comment!
@victorhardin21867 ай бұрын
White and black
@declan__7677 ай бұрын
Elway was not clutch, complete opposite actually
@ItsBasiKC7 ай бұрын
Clutchness of Elway..?
@JD-ge9eb7 ай бұрын
This is his 3rd Super Bowl MVP. The title says his 2nd Super Bowl MVP.
@mylessmith80597 ай бұрын
2 regular season mvps
@JD-ge9eb7 ай бұрын
@@mylessmith8059 Ok yea I guess they just made a minor mistake tho cuz the title says 2nd SB MVP
@taykitrleevitt43147 ай бұрын
Stick Mahomes on a half decent team, and he'll bring the Lombardi home... who cares about whether he's recognised as the GOAT... he's a beast.
@tylers94767 ай бұрын
@@taykitrleevitt4314nah he is an Andy Reid product
@CanonArmQB7 ай бұрын
@@tylers9476why Andy ain’t win with McNabb? What about Vick? Or Alex Smith? Andy coached 17 years y’all ain’t never put him as a GOAT coach. He plays 6 years with Mahomes and we are like oh Andy the GOAT LMAO
@anthonybrown18417 ай бұрын
Yes patrick is closing the gap
@Niko67677 ай бұрын
Foreal
@StarWarsSeeker7 ай бұрын
Hes got 5 more to go let’s talk about this when pat gets 5
@dylanallen56537 ай бұрын
Not even close
@Redcedar-Chronicles7 ай бұрын
To Montana
@mynamebashbarti7 ай бұрын
@@dylanallen5653that’s wrong he’s definitely getting there but he still has a way to go
@anthonyvespia66627 ай бұрын
I'm a Patriots fan, and a Brady fan. But I always love watching Mahomes, and the Chiefs. He's the greatest talented QB, I've ever seen. I said we'd never see a Belichick, Brady again. But we're seeing just that. You can't be jealous of someone's greatness. Mahomes deservers to be respected by any real football fan! 🏆🏆🏆🏈
@awesome43497 ай бұрын
you were born in 2010
@oldenyz31487 ай бұрын
I agree. Mahomes is "that guy" and he's already solidified top 3 All time imo and has alot of football left.
@kingthlaroonth7 ай бұрын
Did you miss Aaron Rodgers my friend 2011 is the best QB season I've ever seen the throws he was routinely making I have never seen
@QSteadyAskImReady437 ай бұрын
Love and respect bro I’ll tell him u said it
@joshuarivera13367 ай бұрын
@@kingthlaroonth1 season doesn’t solidify it. Mahomes 6 year run solidifies he’s the greatest talent
@strong51097 ай бұрын
Listening to Sherman trying to find any little thing to discredit Mahomes is hilarious 😂
@aguatype92697 ай бұрын
That’s not what he’s doing that’s skip LOL
@petecolon1627 ай бұрын
Discredit how ? By saying Tom Brady is still the best to ever do it You just sound salty
@ETKLILJAY_7 ай бұрын
cause mahomes beat him 😂😂
@DerQuanDoucett7 ай бұрын
@@petecolon162bc he basically saying he has to get to 7. That’s why Micheal brought up Jordan and bill russell.
@thomasblake81917 ай бұрын
Sherman is a hater he will never admit it he beat him sometimes you have to deal with it
@raywill86387 ай бұрын
Michael Irvin sounds like he had alittle bit of whiskey before the show started 😂
@Egrishow7 ай бұрын
Sometime it’s almost like listening to Biden talk about football
@stewpidasso39107 ай бұрын
Cte
@Jemreaux7 ай бұрын
It’s always funny when you 🐦 🧠 miss a point lmao and think you’re the smart guys 😂
@anthonyvespia66627 ай бұрын
LMFAO 😂😂😂
@ottizee33247 ай бұрын
He makes it borderline unwatchable 😅. Cutting everyone off
@Lamont477 ай бұрын
Did y’all really just click bait us with Keyshawn 👎🏾
@CoachRJ3347 ай бұрын
Hes getting there thats for damn sure ....Mahomes is in a league of his own right now
@thereallegendarygaming18077 ай бұрын
Brady played against harder competition
@ItsKillaBouie7 ай бұрын
@@thereallegendarygaming1807not a team full of all-pros, 2 inside backers, great D-Line that consist of Hargreaves, Chase Young, Nick Bosa, n Armstead, with Ward on the backend, the 49ers team was designed n put together to try n beat Pat, they went in got McCaffrey, literally they was suppose to win, all that Cap n not win the big 1
@alfhhfhhdhfjfhf17997 ай бұрын
Mos' Def'!!!!...the 1st 6 yrs of ones career, who is better?!!!!!
@ItsKillaBouie7 ай бұрын
@@thereallegendarygaming1807all pat need is time, Brady got 7, Pat got 3 before the age of 30, better hope he don’t catch Brady
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
@@ItsKillaBouiethe 49ers have been overrated all year ! We ALL know Shanahan loses the big one , 0-3.
@SalimCharles-h9x7 ай бұрын
RIP Hoang Bi
@queousley7 ай бұрын
Facts lol
@GeminiMaddnezz864lyfe7 ай бұрын
Lol there's a few new ones but they always have some weird person at the end cursing you for being a westerner
@alexanderdumas-7 ай бұрын
How am I even supposed to know the video is over if I don’t don’t hear Chinese at the end smh
@Carlosbooze7 ай бұрын
bruh lmao@@GeminiMaddnezz864lyfe
@ItsHappyHourArchived7 ай бұрын
Omggg did he die?
@trevorwinn50127 ай бұрын
Tom always had Gronk ?? He won 3/4 super bowls before Gronk , won in 2016 while Gronk was hurt
@29freshprince7 ай бұрын
Sherman just hurt they lost again
@teeluc68897 ай бұрын
@@29freshprinceyeah but he has gronk tho
@29freshprince7 ай бұрын
@@teeluc6889 I thought 9ers had it in the bag with the 10 point lead and their squad but Mahomes is a game changer such a nail bitter SB
@billkaler16277 ай бұрын
And BRADY ONE MORE WITH LESS THEN ANY Q.B. HE HAD A COACH THAT REFUSED TO GIVE HIM HIGH TALENTED PLAYERS VIA FREE AGENCY AND THE DRAFT. REMEMBER BELLICHEK WAS THE G.M AS WELL.
@nikhiltrivedi81267 ай бұрын
Skip is so nervous right now 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Mahomes with 3 super bowls at age 28, he knows it’s only a matter of time 🤣🤣🤣
@bern7177 ай бұрын
Brady had 3 at 27
@brianhenry79837 ай бұрын
Mahomes is declining, Brady was getting better 😂
@Doooooooo7 ай бұрын
Time will tell. For all we know this could be Patrick Mahomes last super bowl appearance or victory.. I doubt itll be his last but we'll have to see how the rest of his career plays out.
@hinds907 ай бұрын
@Doooooooo depends how long they can keep the band together
@mandalove18587 ай бұрын
@@bern717brady had 0 league mvps at 27 and only 2 sb mvps st 27 mahomes has 2 of each and a third sb mvp at 28. Better stats in every facet and his playoff record is just as good. Mahomes is on pace to pass brady.
@jameswhyman41277 ай бұрын
Skip gonna credit Brady for Dee Ford being offside....
@dylanallen56537 ай бұрын
Gronk dropped the ball… excuses both ways
@Riles31527 ай бұрын
@@dylanallen5653 The INT still would have literally given the chiefs the victory and sent them to the SB. It was that close to Mahomes beating Brady.
@dylanallen56537 ай бұрын
@@Riles3152 would have could have . He didn’t beat him
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m7 ай бұрын
@@dylanallen5653Just like Tom Brady didn’t beat Eli or Nick Foles in the Super Bowl
@GameTime-yj6qv7 ай бұрын
You can disect so many plays in each big game for any player you want.
@1JAM2297 ай бұрын
6:45 Brady said "here here" to the Packers when he threw three second half interceptions at Green Bay in the 2020 NFC title Game, but Rodgers couldn't cash. I wonder why Skip doesn't bring that up. 🤫
@leramfreeman29507 ай бұрын
Never brings up the horrible game against the Rams. 21-35, 263yrds, 1int. At least 3 of his wins were because of the defense.
@khalxd19917 ай бұрын
Wasn’t ridgers - bucs d line carried Brady cs packers n chiefs - packers had injuries to bakht their best o line both mahomes n ridgers were running to survive
@christianchatagnier40297 ай бұрын
@@leramfreeman2950Brady had 2 games where he didn’t win sbmvp when the award is basically only given to qbs.
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m7 ай бұрын
@@leramfreeman2950Try 4-5
@crimeminister73917 ай бұрын
@@leramfreeman2950 Mahomes won 2 because of the refs
@BlackSheep7037 ай бұрын
When Skip doesnt want to give someone credit, or wont put someone past his GOATS (MJ and TB12), the arguments he makes seem so petty and trivial. If Patrick Mahomes or LBJ walked on water, Skip would argue its because they cant swim.
@TheDestructodave5207 ай бұрын
Because labeling someone a GOAT when they havent reached that status yet is annoying. Its an especially annoying new thing this generation of fans do. I mean people forget Montana even exists. Brady had to get 5 to finally get past Montana, and people are acting like he doesnt even exist for Mahomes at 3-1. Not only that, one of hte key factors in WHY Brady couldnt pass Montana at 4-2, is beceause he lost 2 and Montana was so lights out in his 4 wins. Mahomes has not looked lights out in his SB. Even last night, it was pretty poor showing until the last quarter of the game. Let the guy earn the accolades before you give him the accolades. I expect Mahomes to win at least 5. Let him win the 5, and legit pass Montana before you start saying hes already better. Same goes for Brady's 7.
@jbceedeez7 ай бұрын
@ BlackSheep703...no...stop discrediting Tom while uplifting Mahomes... it goes both ways...Mahomes is chasing Tom not the other way around... ... "the tail can't wag the dog"...Brady is the standard...to late now... 1000 championships won't matter...he's gone...he's ghost...you're emphatically delusional...it's like..".the bully kicked you're keeysta, and when he's outta sight you flex your muscles...
@BlackSheep7037 ай бұрын
@@jbceedeez When did I discredit Tom? Stop assuming you know my opinion on the matter and give your head a wobble.
@sycofya16777 ай бұрын
Mahomes is the new face of football!!! He doesnt have 7 rings but he's only 4 away 😤🔥🔥
@user-ch7nq1uj2p7 ай бұрын
That is quite hard to get to…
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
He has more rings than lamar, Josh allen, and Joe burrow will probably have combined when they end their season lol
@Wargasm547 ай бұрын
True. He is. But he’s not the goat. Brady got 2.3 times as many superbowl rings AND he smashed Mahomes in a Superbowl 31-9. That being said, Mahomes is the best quarterback in the game currently. That’s undisputed. Can he become the goat? Yeah, most certainly. But until he gets 7 or more rings…he ain’t the goat.
@tad62817 ай бұрын
And lost to Tom Brady twice in the playoffs!!! Good luck though!!!
@Mr.93.207 ай бұрын
@@Wargasm54 Brady played 17 more seasons than Mahommes currently
@wolandastarr76977 ай бұрын
Richard is changing his tone about Patrick now because he beat his 9ners. He wasn't saying nothing like this before the Superbowl game
@Hatibaby4457 ай бұрын
Lmao he salty cause PAT did him the same way his first superbowl when he was on 49ers
@kevonsidek97377 ай бұрын
Pat beat his 49ers twice so now Sherman gotta result to the hate card
@Hatibaby4457 ай бұрын
@@kevonsidek9737 lol and he was on the first time
@mackenzieyoung53067 ай бұрын
I'm glad Mike the only one being honest lol
@TrueProphit7 ай бұрын
Spygate ,deflate gate, beating by forest Gump(Eli) Brady ain't all that.
@billkaler16277 ай бұрын
Who engineered the 6 game winning drives for the PATRIOTS? SOSTATE THE FACTS
@_taliq7 ай бұрын
“Look at that pouch and look at what he’s doing”😂😂 18:30
@GameTime-yj6qv7 ай бұрын
Hilarious😂
@Jay-zx4bm7 ай бұрын
Skip about to disrespect Micheal like he disrespected Shannon.
@robertbulk75307 ай бұрын
Skip be like I ruined my shoe for you Tom
@hume12345617 ай бұрын
Shannon was out of line for many shows until Skip checked him. Skip was right to get Shannon on board, but he also knew when to cut bait. I wish both Shannon and Skip the best going forward.
@Jay-zx4bm7 ай бұрын
@@hume1234561 you clearly don’t watch the show Skip is always the one out of line
@tomkat_Kansas7 ай бұрын
Skip is lucky Shannon didn't put hands on him. Shannon was the better analyst.
@polofunk7 ай бұрын
Dam RICHARD i sense some Hateorade 😂😂
@ItsHappyHourArchived7 ай бұрын
Been like that his whole career. Was never as good as revis. Couldntdo anything with him but throw him in the zone. And he lost his second ring and a chance at a dynasty cuz of the dumbest play in sports history
@mirjohn57267 ай бұрын
I know damn well sherman is not talking about balls that could have been picked off
@efrainrodriguez13247 ай бұрын
At this point, Mahomes needs to go 20-0 to become the GOAT😅
@bern7177 ай бұрын
Fortunately, that’s not possible since he’ll always have 31-9
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m7 ай бұрын
@@bern717With that logic Tom Brady can’t be the GOAT because Both Eli (2x) and Nick Foles beat him in the Super Bowl
@bern7177 ай бұрын
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m Yeah, sure.. because Eli and Foles are in the discussion of “Greatest of all Time” 🙄 Mahomes is chasing Tom’s legacy. That’s who his rival is. The fact that Tom beat him head-to-head in the SB (I’m not even counting the AFCCG) tips the scale in Brady’s favour whether you like it or not. If you don’t believe me, Mahomes admitted it himself last night 🤷🏻♂️
@thoranderson24427 ай бұрын
Brady didn’t always have gronk lol
@JR-pp3ed7 ай бұрын
Purdy had a whole roster sherm. And what he do when it was clutch time
@Sparkyxicy7 ай бұрын
Facts, weapons on weapons and still came up short but he’s young.
@sundayperez17427 ай бұрын
@@Sparkyxicy we gonna ignore the injuries and his horrible o line lol 😂😂
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
Exactly!!!!! Proves that he is not HIM. But PATRICK is
@JB-sb5ph7 ай бұрын
Pressure Purdy he falls apart.
@georgebelle86567 ай бұрын
I wish everyone stop trying to short change Brock last in the draft second yr and in another superbowl. Brock didn't lose this this young man took Patrick to the 12 round and his coach choked.
@Evlmonkey227 ай бұрын
If Mahomes retired today at 28, he'd get into the HoF. He still possibly has another 8+ years to play barring any crazy injuries. He's already one of the best to ever play the QB position and he's only 28. That's just awesome.
@sarriominski37567 ай бұрын
I hope Patrick passes them in Superbowls in less time then it’ll be no questions
@tp4justice1917 ай бұрын
I really like Mahomes. But we will never know how he or Brady would do against defenses back when they could literally hit you from any angle, high or low, in the knees, full speed blindsides, head shots, pile ons. Need I continue? Montana, Farve, Elway, Bradshaw, Stabauch, and more hall of fame/ Super Bowl champion QBs paid dearly with their bodies and brains and still succeeded. Therefore the term GOAT is misleading. Now the term “winningest" or “most" “skilled" or “strongest" arm or “most" “accurate” during any part of the Super Bowl era is about all that can be accurately measured. Bradshaw and Montana are 4-0 in the Super Bowl and they were knocked out of games multiple times, not to mention out for the season during their careers. Bradshaw’s is a career 14-5 in the post season including 4-0 in the Super Bowl… Montana is a career 16-7 in the post season, including 4-0 in the Super Bowl. Look up both mens injury history and ask yourself which of todays QBs would still be great after enduring such brutal hits.
@connorakins52967 ай бұрын
Mahomes may not win 7 championships by the time his career is over, but if he wins 4 or 5 I think he should be considered the goat. He’s definitely the most talented to ever play QB.
@1judauhn7 ай бұрын
He got smoked by the greatest in the Superbowl! Where was all the talent then?
@Hatibaby4457 ай бұрын
@@1judauhngot smoked ? He had no o line they was all hurt and he still out played Brady and the first time Brady beat em was in afc championship over time only cause Dee ford jumped offsides for kc and that was his first year
@the-seed-sower7617 ай бұрын
@Slatt34567 Excuses is all you wrote. History records what's in the win/loss column. People don't like excuses. L's are L's regardless.
@G0rdy927 ай бұрын
Nah, 4-5 isn’t the goat. 7 is. Mahomes is amazing and the best QB in the league. He had the potential to be the goat. But if he wants to be better than Brady he needs 7 rings. Brady also beat him in the Super Bowl so there is that. I think 7 and smoking Brady in all stats is enough (and it he stays on his currently trajectory he will) let’s sit back and enjoy the ride and when he retires he can analyze if he he surpassed Brady
@luisalejandro23357 ай бұрын
@@1judauhndamn, I must’ve missed Brady playing DE.
@GulfShoresVacationGuide7 ай бұрын
Skip is visibly choking on his Mahomes hate and I am HERE FOR IT 🤣
@kennyhiggins78066 ай бұрын
Skippy is visibly Choking on his HATRED! He can’t stand the thought of Mahomes being on par with Tommy! Makes Skippy drop his PACIFIER into his DIAPER! Waaa!!
@souuuuus_7 ай бұрын
Irvin been smoking that pack
@backwoods50487 ай бұрын
I hate this Skip and Richard are so biased on knowing who is a great player and what it takes to be a great player Pat will pass up Montana Pat is like the LeBron of the NFL he's going to be the only person to catch up to tom he won't tie him but he's going to pass Joe the boy got three in his first 5 years like what are we talking about 😂😂😂
@hitek9too2557 ай бұрын
3 out of 4 SB wins, 3 SB MVPs without cheating, deflating footballs, a tuck rule, spying on opponents, deck stacked defenses and superteams, playing in a weak division, and getting bailed out three times by a Hall of Fame kicker, etc.
@tylers94767 ай бұрын
Lol Mahomes just won with a top 5 all time defense, got carried by a kicker who just hit the longest FG in SB history and also plays in a trash division
@BleachCowboy20167 ай бұрын
also like Skip said, Brady beat Maholmes in the superbowl.
@that_onekatt7 ай бұрын
Eli beat Brady twice, Fitzpatrick got his nickname off beating Brady 🤣🤣 so who’s really the goat?
@wc21957 ай бұрын
Ahh the good ole low iq “hE cHeAtEd AnD gOt CaRriEd” excuse😂😂. You mind telling me what happened when brady and mahomes met in both the championship AND the superbowl. Who won those games again???🤔
@danielpaquet39637 ай бұрын
@@that_onekatt BRADY FOR now.
@raywilliams15907 ай бұрын
Richard is short sighted, and trying to kiss up to Skip too much saying Tom is the best FOH
@Carbon_sxt367 ай бұрын
Irving is a prisoner of the moment
@myash327 ай бұрын
Facts
@ThomasFromTN7 ай бұрын
You and Bayless are prisoners of revisionist history. Vinateiri deserved MVP of the first two Patriot Super Bowls. The Falcons AND the Seahawks choking deserve MVP of one Super Bowl each. That leaves Brady with three - THREE - Super Bowl wins where it isn't necessarily easy to point at a different player or a weird situation as the reason for their individual Super Bowl "success."
@Carbon_sxt367 ай бұрын
@ThomasFromTN so mahomes didn't deserve the mvp of the super bowl against the eagles cause the kicker won the game so that would leave him with two super bowl wins and one mvp in the sb
@Carbon_sxt367 ай бұрын
@ThomasFromTN mahomes has been down in all three super bowl wins . Would the 49ers and eagles deserve the mvp as well for choking leads late in those games
@Carbon_sxt367 ай бұрын
@ThomasFromTN for vinateriri to be in a position to win those superbowls with a field goal doesn't someone have to put him in a position to be have an opportunity to kick those field goals 🤔🤔
@89jstubbs7 ай бұрын
Brady won 3 superbowl and only threw like 2 TD in the entire run loo
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
Adam Vinatieri is their original super bowl hero! Remember that! Kicked the game winners against the Rams and Panthers.
@bc_qbeval7 ай бұрын
Mahomes will always be Mahomes. The Chiefs’ defense was the true game changer in this Super Bowl run. Read these stats if you seek truth. Chiefs’ defense faced the #1, #2, #3, and #4 offenses in the NFL and 4 MVP Finalists. - 15.7 PPG Allowed (5.5 PPG Allowed in 2nd halves) - Didn't give up 25+ points in any game - Held opponents to less than 20 regulation points in 3 out of 4 games - Gave up one 4th qtr TD in 4 games
@yolan52253 ай бұрын
let’s not act like TB12 don’t win all his super l bowls with a top 10 defense
@chicagobearsfan50267 ай бұрын
Tom is The 🐐 it's not even a debate. Until someone can match SB wins, then you can debate.
@kennyhiggins78066 ай бұрын
What is TB12s Super Bowl record, 7 outta 10? Mahomes is 3 outta 4. Wonder how that’ll work out?
@dercrysisbz20495 ай бұрын
@@kennyhiggins7806lost to Brady in the Super Bowl and post season
@tjjackpot84196 ай бұрын
I respect Michael Irving much more! These other dudes delusional.
@garfieldGG7 ай бұрын
Get to 5 rings and we can start talking. Right now this would be easier if Brady wasn’t 2-0 against him in the playoffs. It’s like if Lebron straight up lost to jordan in the finals twice.
@Hatibaby4457 ай бұрын
Lmao he lost to Brady his 1st year starter in OT in the afc championship because Dee ford jumped offsides .. and in Tampa machines whole O Line was hurt .. and he still played better than Brady lmaoo
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
@@Hatibaby445the alarming stat from that game was that Mahomes had what? 500? Scramble yards ? Total? Cus the OLine was so demolished.
@Hatibaby4457 ай бұрын
@@Njbear7453 and any qb could ve won with that team lmaooo mfs was stack just like how the SF is lmaoo TOM BRADY IS A GAME MANAGER… did he get mvp all his super bowls ? Did he ever beat manning ? Did he have a regular season mvp by the team belkicheck won 3 super bowls with him ? Lmaoooo BE FR
@the-seed-sower7617 ай бұрын
@@Hatibaby445Tom did win an MVP
@eastgate61347 ай бұрын
Qb never face.each other on the field, tho. Defense matters
@hardknocks967927 ай бұрын
Skip feeling threatened 😂
@MessiJamesTatum7 ай бұрын
Michael " look at that pouch and look at what he's doing"😂😂
@heydeez_7 ай бұрын
Doesn’t he have 3 Sb Mvps
@MrAgodine7 ай бұрын
They talking about regular season MVPs. He has 2
@abdagoat70347 ай бұрын
He will never be better than Brady because Brady bust him twice so everybody else possibly not Brady
@kcmo81647 ай бұрын
Joe Flacco beat Brady twice in the playoffs is he better? What bout nick foles and Eli beating him in SB are they better?
@GeordieHalma7 ай бұрын
Losing to Brady in the Superbowl with no starting offensive linemen shouldn't hurt Mahomes in the goat conversation moving forward. Brady lost to Eli freaking Manning twice
@davidcornell71507 ай бұрын
Lost to the refs once. Eli was in the grasp on that insane pass. would have been over if officiated correctly
@bennydw37 ай бұрын
Why aren’t we talking about a potential three-peat?
@dropsixteentvtv41497 ай бұрын
He could 3 Peat and they'll still find something to trash him on lol
@tmal34227 ай бұрын
Brady is the king of dinking and skip bringing up Mahomes lmaoo definition of moving the goal post
@dylanallen56537 ай бұрын
Mahomes is the king of doing that
@williamli62007 ай бұрын
Had Mahomes played the way that made you mas tur bate, he wouldn't have won the last SB.
@marckellough5297 ай бұрын
Actually Joe Montana was the king of dinking and dunking in that west coast offense which operated on mostly short passes
@dwoolf70197 ай бұрын
Love watching Skip eat his double humble burger with 🍟😅
@davidto49647 ай бұрын
he picked the chiefs tho
@brandonjackson63237 ай бұрын
@@davidto4964but he hates on mahomes
@davidto49647 ай бұрын
@@brandonjackson6323 only because he's getting close to his man crush brady. he praised the chiefs' draft pick at the start while others doubted him
@RKO8597 ай бұрын
Mahomes = The new NFL LeBron for Skip. He will hate him to eternity. 😂😂😂
@daez887 ай бұрын
The pills and alcohol don't mix Irving that man lit
@marcusfarmer72497 ай бұрын
😂lol former 🐄 cowboy 🤠
@jjadennnn7 ай бұрын
Man mahomes was a BABY when he played Tom in that superbowl what year was he in year 2 year 3!?
@jeremyodle14797 ай бұрын
He won mvp that year. Can’t have it both ways saying he’s mvp but also a baby
@blackmamba88107 ай бұрын
I think it was his third or fourth year
@blackmamba88107 ай бұрын
But he lost to him in his second year, first year as a starter in the AFC championship game
@Wtfisthis488887 ай бұрын
Tom also won as a “baby”
@beanstocks57827 ай бұрын
Tom was carried as a baby
@Titanvol917 ай бұрын
Richard Sherman is so mad Mahomes beat the 49ers again that he's trying to discredit him now 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@marcusfarmer72497 ай бұрын
😂 I agree 💯
@roninsplinter80987 ай бұрын
lmao Sherman so bitter! Saying Mahomes has Kelce so thats why hes good. Let's see who Purday has...hmm Aiyuk, Deebo, McCafrey, Kittle, Warner, Bosa, Greenlaw, Young...etc. Sherman can keep crying all year long. lmao.
@AJM3577 ай бұрын
Brady never needed Gronk without him he has 5x pro bowl seasons. 1 unanimous NFL MVP award. 4 Super Bowl appearances with 3 wins and 2 Super Bowl MVP awards. He lead the league in passing yards and touchdowns twice, set the single-season record for most completions in a year and won the 2009 comeback player of the year award, finally what a lot of people forget is that, although rob did technically play for the 2016 Patriots he only played in 8 games that season and didn’t take a single snap in Super Bowl LI you know the time Brady came back down from 28-3. Now with all that being said can any Mahomes fan out there please list to me Patrick Mahomes accomplishments without Travis Kelce
@JayHazel1017 ай бұрын
As a diehard Pats fan; individually statistics Mahomes will shatter Brady. Superbowls/divisional championships wins are team victories and a ton of credit goes to Adam Vinatieri and Bills defense. This is the first year Mahomes has a top tier defense. Everyone's quick to say Brady beat him twice and they both play on offense, makes no sense. If Mahomes had a Belichick defense for his career he'd have 4-5 rings now. All this, "Brady beat Mahomes" and Eli beat Brady twice also, and one was an undefeated regular season, that QB vs QB comparison for wins/losses is ridiculous. They play against opposing defenses. Our defense gave us the St. Louis Rams, Seattle, and the LA Rams victories. That's just what it is. Then he gets 7 with a heavily stacked team with 4 offensive pro bowlers and 3 defensive pro bowlers and people act like he went to a trash team and took them to the superbowl.
@dylanallen56537 ай бұрын
It’s a different era… lol and mahomes is set up for good stats
@the-seed-sower7617 ай бұрын
Bro you ain't no damn PAT fan😂😂😂
@GameTime-yj6qv7 ай бұрын
You don't sound like a Pats fan my friend
@Throwup4137 ай бұрын
"As a DiE hArD PatS FaN" 😂😂cut it out..
@davis2k12347 ай бұрын
You must be a “In Bill we Trust” Patriots fan spewing that non sense and how’d that philosophy work out for you??
@guygoesgolfing7 ай бұрын
What these people don't realize is QB is the rare position where the longer you play, the better you are because you've seen every d and know how to beat it. As long as you're still able to make the throws, an older QB is always going to have the advantage over a younger QB.
@TheUltimateRage7 ай бұрын
Yo pause my guy!
@GameTime-yj6qv7 ай бұрын
True. I think mentally Brady was at his best in his 40s
@bern7177 ай бұрын
Tell that to Aaron Rodgers. Oh wait ….
@teronward75707 ай бұрын
Unless you don't study film and only play off talent.
@everybodywannabelikemike_7 ай бұрын
Yeah but your body goes away only Brady took care of his body and got in better shape the older he got yall just assume Mahomes gone not get injured and get in better shape in his 30s
@jimgarcia53307 ай бұрын
As a fan who has watched Mahomes from a freshman at Texas Tech... He was EXACTLY where he wanted to be on that last drive. THAT is what Patrick Mahomes LIVES for!
@Itsjustlikemagic7 ай бұрын
Lmao not even close. Brady would’ve won at least 10 SBs if he had Andy Reid as his HC. The GOAT still managed to win 7 despite having that ungrateful POS Belichick as his HC for years. Andy Reid is close to retirement, mahomes ain’t winning anything once Reid retires.
@jimmielacey90067 ай бұрын
Patrick Mahomes cannot be the goat because it’s very rare that we have two all-time great talents from different eras to play against each other. They played twice 2018 in the AFC championship game. Brady won 2021 Super Bowl Brady won, so how can Patrick Mahomes be the goat?
@StarWarsSeeker7 ай бұрын
I also don’t understand the talent argument for pat against Tom there’s always been more talented qbs then Tom it’s the mind that separates them apart
@dominicannick7 ай бұрын
Not anymore. Patrick reads defenses and changes plays at the line of scrimmage. He did it on the game winning touchdown and on a couple 4th done conversions
@mani-xc9rs7 ай бұрын
Because those other guys weren’t remotely as accomplished as Tom. Patrick is more talented and could end up just as accomplished, so him being more talented is more of a factor in this comparison.
@StarWarsSeeker7 ай бұрын
@@dominicannick you don’t think any other QBs red defenses and change plays at the line of scrimmage? That’s pretty standard
@StarWarsSeeker7 ай бұрын
@@mani-xc9rs you can talk like that when he gets to 5 superbowls lmao
@mani-xc9rs7 ай бұрын
@@StarWarsSeeker Sure and nobody’s arguing he’s over Tom now. But we’re saying that he will not need 7-8 Superbowls if clear as day he’s more talented and racks up more individual honours.
@ITACHI-hr8eu7 ай бұрын
we just gone act like brady and the patriots weren't cheaters all of a sudden, no o line and no defense and a stupid offside cost us those games.. brady not beating this chiefs team period.
@timothyrobertson30567 ай бұрын
Brady is 2-0 Against Mahomes in the Post Season! 7 Super Bowls vs 3. It's not even close right now, and most people know this except the sports media. But they have to have something to talk about 😂
@milesaheadpodcast7 ай бұрын
It would make sense if he had top notch receiving core for the past two years. Like if he had chase and Higgins. He don’t need 7 to be considered the best QB ever. He only needs 5. Did MJ need 12? No. Pat has chance to be not just the best QB ever but, a top 5 athlete in the sport with a Jerry rice, Deion Sanders, Lawerence Taylor, Bo Jackson, Jim Brown etc.. The thing that people don’t understand is you have to be entertaining as well with the combination of winning, stats, and accolades accumulation. This is why no one says Tim Duncan or Kareem are the best ever. Floyd mayweather for the people who know boxing have him as the best ever. He doesn’t have 100+ fights. He beat the most champions ever, has the highest ppv, he’s the most accurate puncher ever, and is the least hit. Plus he was the ultimate showman and was extremely gifted at selling the fight. Not to mention how skilled he was as a fighter. He has won two Super Bowls without a top 10 defense. He’s been doing most of this without a great defense and now he has one. Plus it’s so, many qbs in NFL history who don’t have a clutch gene in general like Steve young, Peyton manning, Aaron rodgers, Drew Bree’s, Warren moon etc. He’s on pace to pass Brady in everything else as touchdowns, mvps, passing yards etc. That if he doesn’t win 7. He would be considered the greatest ever. In the movie Gladiator they say you have to win the crowd. That’s exactly what he is doing. That happens by the way things are done in biggest moments which are deemed unexplainable.
@DrewDaQue7 ай бұрын
This Argument makes no sense. Eli Manning is 2-0 against Brady if that's the case
@timothyrobertson30567 ай бұрын
@@DrewDaQue Brady has 7 Rings/ 2-0 against Mahomes in playoffs! Eli only has 2 Rings/ Brady has 7 Rings. If Mahomes can get 8 Rings and more Super Bowl MVP's then he's the best. That's not hard to understand. The greatest clutch quarterback of all time is Brady by far!
@markvasil33077 ай бұрын
@@timothyrobertson3056 buddy head to head isn’t allowed only when it fits your argument 😂. Ur flexing that Brady beat mahomes in his mahomes first season and third , he wasn’t even in prime yet . If mahomes gets 5, most people will say he’s the best .
@DrewDaQue7 ай бұрын
@timothyrobertson3056 he doesn't need to get 8 rings. That's the point. He needs more but not necessarily 8. Bill Russell has 11 rings and Noone says he is better than Jordan or LeBron. Stop the madness
@Goatonomics7 ай бұрын
First off we’re talking about a young Patrick Mahomes. He’s only been in 6 seasons with 3 superbowls. Versus Tom Brady who’s been in 23 seasons 7 superbowls (plus his coach caught cheating multiple times). Mahomes is trending to get more superbowls in less time. With the fact we’re even debating him speaks volumes 😂 no matter how you slice it, he put himself in the barbershop talks.
@User87_7 ай бұрын
I like Mahomes but he won’t pass Brady. Sorry
@sauhamm38215 ай бұрын
this is called an opinion. some people love jordan, some love bron and some will never hear an argument that player x isn't the best. you're entitled to your opinion, just don't let it fool you into thinking what you think is objective.
@themtgdude4867 ай бұрын
I was told 7 is a bigger number than 3.
@bern7177 ай бұрын
The Wildes argument!
@luffy58597 ай бұрын
i was told 23 years is longer than 5 years
@gusweb6467 ай бұрын
Patrick is 28 with 3 Super Bowl rings
@FloRiva27 ай бұрын
When Brady won his 1st 3 Super Bowls he was 27
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m7 ай бұрын
@@FloRiva2Brady also wasn’t the main catalyst in the first three super bowls
@suv35347 ай бұрын
@@FloRiva2Brady didn’t have any MVPs or first team all pros tho by that age
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
@@FloRiva2 and Adam Vinatieri kicked TWO game wining field goals, let’s not forget that.
@FloRiva27 ай бұрын
Not true, Brady was the MVP for 2/3 in those first three Super Bowls, not sure where you got that idea from...
@arielelias9287 ай бұрын
Averaging 304 in 10 super bowls is insane
@izzyd36137 ай бұрын
Rip the OG Hoang Bi
@Kyle361477 ай бұрын
LMAO “how well did he really play because he completed a deep ball on the money and a guy that had no clue where he is on the field maybe he could have picked it if he wasn’t completely lost” “He didn’t have a great drive until he went down and won the game” “Well this play wasn’t good because he double clutched and got sacked and didn’t throw with confidence” -- you mean like when he completed his deep ball to Hardman??? Dumbest arguments ever. The dude just won the Super Bowl vs consistent 4 man pressure and threw his TD’s to MVS and Mecole Hardman. This is the definition of can never win no matter what you do.. 😂😂😂
@alexanderb41657 ай бұрын
Someone needs to explain to me how Patrick Mahomes can be the goat? So somebody who is more physically, gifted, and talented, can do less. But yet Tom Brady, who is not as physically gifted, or talented; and who actually accomplished more than any human being on planet earth. Is no longer the greatest? Why do we keep moving the goalposts? Shouldn’t Patrick Mahomes break every single record Tom Brady owns…and then somehow building a machine and have himself be in his mid-40s, and then beat Tom Brady in his mid/late 20s, not once but twice in championship games! The point is to win the games, and nobody has done that better than Tom Brady. People like Brady, Jordan and Ali are eternal! Men like that are in a different stratosphere, and they should be given that respect for all time 🤫💯🔥
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
Time for people to stop comparing Lamar and Josh Allen and Joe Burrow to PATRICK! PATRICK is KING! You are BLIND or just a plain hater if you can’t realize this greatness in KC, take it from a jet fan who watched Brady..... they’re not stopping anytime soon.
@seanjones82847 ай бұрын
Atleast Lamar has 2 league MVPs the Burrow and Allen hasn't won anything
@loitersquadX7 ай бұрын
This is gonna be his last ring for a while. If they win it next year thats gonna be amazing. Lets see if that team stays together
@Wtfisthis488887 ай бұрын
This was supposed to be there down year lol. The only thing that can save everyone is Chris jones leaving and possibly kelce retiring. Even then they could just bring in another weapon…
@loitersquadX7 ай бұрын
@@Wtfisthis48888 remember people can age overnight. And on top of that I see some teams who will probably win sooner than we think. Lamar Jackson is still good . He needs to figure something out. Joe burrow . And as funny as this sounds I think Green Bay is going to be better than we imagine. You got Aaron Rodgers coming back. Mahomes is great but these dudes won't last forever. Remember Brady had to take a pay cut
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
Everyone wants them to lose so badly! Just like how everyone wanted the patriots to lose when they kept winning and winning and winning... get used to it !! And I sure am glad Tom is GONE. Y’all don’t know what it’s like not only being a jet fan, but having to watch your team play Tom 2 times a year.
@loitersquadX7 ай бұрын
@@Njbear7453 bruh. It's not wanting them to lose it's the fact the way they win is so boring. And it feels fake . Like last year when I seen the pass interference and they just let it go. Or this year they let him run up the middle and don't even try to tackle. It's wack
@JD-ge9eb7 ай бұрын
Remember Tom Brady went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl. Do you think Mahomes will go 10 years before he wins his next one?
@DancehallWorldwxde7 ай бұрын
Sherm come on man 😂
@KMcNair-zk7cj7 ай бұрын
He hating on Pat hard
@taylorwright155 ай бұрын
IF Dee ford wasn’t offsides.. IF Mahomes had an o line against the bucs.. IF we didn’t get lazy in the second half against the Bengals man oh man 😮
@Mar-ki3tf7 ай бұрын
A 43 year old destroyed you, how can you ever say you're better...
@deemity75575 ай бұрын
Because intelligent people that football is an 11 v 11 game and the best individual player doesn’t always win.
@DHFrank7 ай бұрын
Andy Reid is 65 & Mahomes is 28. If these two stay together for another 7 or 8 years & get 2 or 3 more rings, they’ll both go down as the greatest ever at their positions.
@Njbear74537 ай бұрын
People forget Andy Reid was great as eagles head coach they were always in the playoffs and nfc title games, 1 super bowl loss yes, but he’s always been a great head coach.
@DHFrank7 ай бұрын
@@Njbear7453 Yep. & don’t forget about Belichick and Cleveland. Reid’s time w/Philly was much more productive than Belichick’s w/Cleveland.
@danielpaquet39637 ай бұрын
NOPE they gotta win 8 homie.
@UNFITTED17 ай бұрын
@@danielpaquet3963No they don't. If Mahomes carries every statistics has more MVPs then why would he need 8?
@billkaler16277 ай бұрын
And yet REID IS 0 AND 3 AGAINST TOM BRADY IN THE POSTSEASON
@ChristopherPorter-n7r7 ай бұрын
Patrick is the 🐐
@dylanallen56537 ай бұрын
Lol
@ChristopherPorter-n7r7 ай бұрын
@dylanallen5653 it must be difficult to slight Patrick Mahomes and get proven wrong again, and again, and again.
@the-seed-sower7617 ай бұрын
Hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂
@billkaler16277 ай бұрын
7 always is more then 3. Period
@ChristopherPorter-n7r7 ай бұрын
@@billkaler1627 Patrick wasn't involved in 2 cheating scandals
@joshuajones84727 ай бұрын
To Michaels point. I’m 27 i didn’t see MJ play, but to all the OG’s what made y’all put MJ over Bill Russell?
@chrisricks63637 ай бұрын
Wins plus stats
@bern7177 ай бұрын
MJ was so far above anyone during his time. Wilt , Kareem, Bill were all relatively close to one another
@GameTime-yj6qv7 ай бұрын
Wilt was dominant but came up short in the playoff. Jordan was amazing in the regular season and elevated even higher in the playoffs.
@joshuajones84727 ай бұрын
@@chrisricks6363my bad i meant Bill Russell
@joshuajones84727 ай бұрын
@@bern717my bad i meant Bill Russell
@IAEMThatIAEM7 ай бұрын
8:16 you cannot be defending Tom Brady and then criticize the quarterback who you're defending against as "dinking and dunking". That was Tom Brady's entire repertoire
@ianburns33587 ай бұрын
Mahomes will be the GOAT if he does something Joe and Tom hasn't done.....that's a 3 peat....win next year 😊
@bobkeps20957 ай бұрын
Irving was right. And didn't need to bring up tuck rule, superior defenses, dee ford offsides, multiple cheating scandals, edelman catch on should be brady int, butler int, multiple rings without matching sb mvps, pat thoroughly outplaying tom in that afc championship game, etc
@ItsHappyHourArchived7 ай бұрын
That AFC championship game haunts me because he was smacking up brady. But brady knew all he had to do was drag out to OT and score first. The biggest saving grace of that game though is that it would be a catalyst to the rule changes moving forward. Give Pat a chance in that game and your not telling me he doesnt beat brady. Honestly breaks my heart that Pat never had a good defense up until this year
@bobkeps20957 ай бұрын
@@ItsHappyHourArchived brady threw 3 ints that game. Dee Ford erased the last one. Mahomes was far and away the best qb. Yet people will only count the win for brady out of context
@joshmontez79827 ай бұрын
Right let’s not mention their chiefs defense forcing punt after punt. A punt after mahomes bad int and the kicker kicking a 57 yard field GOAL!!!!
@marckellough5297 ай бұрын
I have to give you credit you are an excuse making expert trying to explain away Brady's 7 rings but it won't work he's still the goat
@bobkeps20957 ай бұрын
@marckellough529 they're not excuses, just blemishes on bradys resume.(excuses is what you hear when u bring up the fact Brady lost to Eli 2x, and back up qb foles). Mahomes has almost zero blemishes. Rings don't count in the goat debate unless u have a sb mvp to go with it. You have to be the reason they won. Brady has 5, mahomes has 3. I'm OK with people saying Brady is still the goat. I get it. But that argument will end BEFORE mahomes retires. Mahomes is so much more talented the debate has already started.
@johnboy17607 ай бұрын
He’s well on his way, it’s frankly staggering that so early into his career he’s up there with Tom and Montana. But Brady has more than double the rings, won on 2 teams, beat mahomes in their 2 deep playoff appearances. Brady has more regular season accolades, and just about every record a QB wants. Mahomes in 5-10 years might have a claim. Not right now.
@beanstocks57827 ай бұрын
Beat mahomes as a baby. With a depleted O line. Doesn’t count
@FloRiva27 ай бұрын
Mahomes had already won a Super Bowl, plus he was MVP that year...no excuses
@mikev87467 ай бұрын
This. But people will argue this because they *want* Mahomes to be the goat. Not have it happen truly. It's a desire that comes from within for whatever personal motive. Mahomes isn't like this. He clearly is thinking about the next season because he knows. He wont be anything without those future SB wins and accolades. He understands that the discussion isn't settled or has even begun. So why are his fans not like him?
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m7 ай бұрын
So in that case Tom Brady can’t be the GOAT because Eli beat him twice in the Super Bowl and Nick Foles beat him in the Super Bowl
@mikev87467 ай бұрын
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m Eli has 2 and Nick has 1. You know this point you're making is not sincere and just cherry picked.
@ASFCS7 ай бұрын
For those who think Pat vs Brady is like MJ vs Lebron, imagine if 20 year old Lebron lost to wizards MJ😂. You can’t be serious guys.
@nxtro38827 ай бұрын
Yeah and imagine if u put wizards Mj on the 2017?warriors and Mahomes on the 2018 cavs and see what happens
@wayne16987 ай бұрын
Don’t put Mahomes in same category with Lebron 6 final losses .
@ASFCS7 ай бұрын
@@wayne1698 buddy it’s not me who’s putting mahomes with Lebron it’s the people who think he’s actually that guy what you think patricks the GOAT?😂