UniFi's Newest Feature? Something old or something new??

[@nightdesigns395]

Regarding the client page, they pushed an alpha version update to that page a few controller updates back. I too had the same issues with it. Fortunately, there's a checkbox in the settings to hop back to the old version.

[@klimraamkosie]

Yes, this was already an issue before and the interface fixed (since it was an interface change.)

[@husbeard]

What would you recommend for something like HostiFi but for less than 20 sites? I really only have 4 sites right now, but that could ramp up to a dozen of less. Is getting an FQDN and A record the best way to go, and just point the devices to my inform URL?

[@Klementoso]

It’s not really about the amount of sites, but more about the number of devices you hook up to the controller. If it’s just 3 devices per site a cloud key could do the job. Most scalable option: Digital ocean or vultr Ubuntu machine with controller. $5 per month is enough for over 100 devices. Does require some fiddling around with Linux though!

[@ContentsOfTable]

The toggle is the feature which makes it show up as a feature in the release notes. The toggle enables or disables the bugfix patch. Plausibly skating the system :).

[@eaph20001]

Where is the Multi Site toggle?

[@michaelwhitby7423]

Well done Ubiquity community! Shows if there is unity what can be achieved

[@kevinbrown4119]

Thank You Willie for you insite on these topics. All of us out here are not IT people and need folks like you to help us out on such things.

[@brwainer]

I think this “improvement” came out too quickly for it not to have been prepared. During the CK 2.x firmware beta, UI was definitely informed by the community of the issue with multi-site configurations, and a UI team member had stated that being able to add new sites was only temporarily missing. The device firmware usually includes the latest stable controller release. My impression is that the firmware team knew that it would be fixed in the next controller release, but didn’t want to wait for that controller version.

[@ronaldhofman1726]

Have installed tje 6.045 version , i have a weird hting, iot devices are giving high latency , have read that more people are having this, wifi experience is 90% , it's mostly devices with a ESP8266 chip with Tasmota on it.

[@futurecactus]

Can someone please lay out in plain language what advantage there is for Ubiquiti to remove cloud key multi site support on purpose? To sell a few extras?

[@Kynetguy]

Thanks for the timely video Mr. Howe. I agree totally with your perspective. I like Chase, but I too feel the "bug" angle is not correct. But he has a lot invested and riding on UniFI, so perhaps a more vendor friendly perspective is in order for him. Though, I don't now that I would want to go multi-site on a CC. Unless it was maybe to manage my personal network and a family member or two.

[@GreyCartertechswim]

If you are right about the back pedal why didn’t they do same back pedal for video?

[@andymok7945]

I refuse to use something that requires me to have a cloud account to control my local control that controls my local devices. How many more chains links will be added that are weak points for compromise or if broken, you can't change your setup.

[@JonDisnard]

Agreed. I could care less about multi site, My outrage is all about requiring cloud access for local authentication. It's a bad look considering Ubiquiti had a cloud compromise the other week. It's also the main reason I would never own a UDM-pro.

[@andymok7945]

@@JonDisnard Exactly. So many companies have forced cloud control and others are following suite. I do IOT for home automation. I don't buy unless I can flash 3rd party open source firmware like Tasmota or ESPHome on it. Don't trust the cloud service and if can't connect, you can't control your local smart device, yeah right. I am looking for alternative already for myself and am no longer deploying unifi products.

[@LawrenceOlberding]

I think it’s interesting that you call this out where as other well known KZbinrs in this space are being more apologetic to UI (for reasons unknown to me). I for one agree that it was obviously an attempt to remove the multi site feature and not just a bug or over sight. I appreciate your candidness.

[@JuanMoreTaco123]

Apple TV protect app help.. I have a UDMP do I need another device to see cameras on Apple TV?

[@jason3fc]

No. If you have protect running on the udmp you should see it on Apple TV app when you login with you ui account. I recently had to delete the app and reinstall it and log back in but it works fine for me in Apple TV app. I can see cloud keys I have as well as my udmp

[@CalvinHenderson]

Willie Why if it is not done the way you feel it should be you state it as a negative? It is a common theme I see in your videos when it comes to Ubiquiti. I heard similar sentiment when you did the nvr versus surveillance video. Hopefully you can see how it comes across.

[@Noodles.FreeUkraine]

I guess it's more than fair to state something as a negative when they drop the ball and I'd expect nothing less from him.

[@CalvinHenderson]

@@Noodles.FreeUkraine fair to provide criticism but the assumption is not always placed correctly. Too often I see people on the outside of products or services have no clue about what they share as their opinion and it is starkly wrong. Spending too many years working in tech and reading / watching opinions has shown me too often people prefer opinions over valid information.

[@CalvinHenderson]

@@Noodles.FreeUkraine also I failed to mention that too often information sharing is lumped into two different stratas: engage or enrage

[@tabaghdissar]

Hi, we are still waiting for the unifi alternatives video, i also agree with you, it's not a bug. This is bad practice from them and I hope the alternatives get better, no competition is no good for us, Intel is the best example.

[@xrekonx]

@@WillieHowe Token Ring?

[@tornadotj2059]

@@xrekonx Depends on what type of MAU you want. :)

[@husbeard]

@@tornadotj2059 8228 is the only way I know how to MAU.

[@klimraamkosie]

This 'bug' or change of feature already happened in beta like a month ago and was fixed afterwards. I.e. the location of the feature in the interface was moved compared to the older controllers. It disappeared if you didn't have multi site already. It was added again. Then a month later it happened again.

[@klimraamkosie]

​@@WillieHowe Technically a bug would be broken code. If it was a mistake it wouldn't necessarily be labeled as a bug.because it was left out. Just like in the Beta release before. So technically it's a new feature, because the previous release had a flag to hide if there were no extra sites. But their updates notices have always been sub par. I wouldn't ding them for this one occurrence. It's just a feature we care about that's under a microscope. But given their history of bad update numbering/messages this doesn't indicate anything in any direction. "Don't see your Cloud Keys? View Legacy Platform" is more worrying for hosted controllers... Because there's actual separation... I.e. hostifi's business.

[@klimraamkosie]

@@WillieHowe Beta not Alpha. They have Alpha testers bound by NDA and internal releases before that. But when I noticed the issue it was in a beta about a month before.

[@Banner1986]

I cancelled my order, and went to Engenius - no cloud requirements whatsoever, and never has, and while they've made the cloud an option for some newer models, the company overall is less bipolar acting than ubiquiti has been.

[@zdrgdr]

What if we use VM with unifi software does it affect it ?

[@hiddenfromyourview]

The fact that they made it a toggle absolutely guarantees they are backpedaling. They still fully intend to remove the feature - they're just gathering statistics now on who has the toggle enabled. Believe me - I used to play EVE online and CCP used the exact same tactics. If there was community backlash, they took exactly the wrong lessons, implemented their vision anyway after about a year, and they continually become a worse company every time they do this.

[@hdukes]

Between bad updates, features that don't work, VLAN problems, and now all of this I know I won't be putting in any new Ubiquiti equipment at any of my clients.

[@Wahinies]

I may never be upgrading from 5.x .. The very first v6 release flatout broke VLANs with USW now this kind of crap.

[@towesc]

Yes and v6 doesn't support aliases anymore so you can't differentiate 2g and 5g if you need/want to , and it broke mine as well.

[@bloodcarver913]

Same here. Stopped my upgrades shy of going to the v. 6.0 platform. As it is just my home network anyway I have not need to go further.

[@RichMcCabe]

What do you mean you cant see which port a client is connected to (easily). What changed there. That is important to me.

[@dariantel]

i think they did change back because of all the complaints, and this is something Ubiquiti will have to learn to live with (bad reputation that is) if they continue to do stuff like this, and in the long term i think they will dig them self a deep hole of bad reputation they do not want to have. start talking to the community and the community cant complain if they do know stuff are going to happen in advance.

[@wiedapp]

Regarding WiFi I'll go with Grandstream, when the time comes. Cheap, central management and good performance. With the switches I am torn between locally managed Aruba Instant On 1930 series or Mikrotik, but there you don't have a central management and you have to manage every device for itself. In a home environment not a huge deal, but still inconvenient. That easy to use central management for all components is the absolute key feature of Ubiquity, that will be difficult to replace, if at all. Can't await Grandstreams products coming this summer (like you mentioned a short time ago). Hopefully any problems are going 'poof' before I actually have to think about them at all...

[@Kynetguy]

I use the GS7610 at home . I have 3 of them to cover my house. They work fine for home. I have no complaints. The built-in controller aspect is nice. Not great for the novice, but for IT folks, they are a breeze. I have used them with multiple VLANs, SSID, etc with great success. I run them off an Aruba 2930 48port POE switch. (over kill, but it was a "perk" from being in the business.) If you need technical assistance, you need guys like Willie, as their support is worse than Ubiquiti in my experience. :-) All that said, I am probably going to switch to Ubiquiti NanoHDs for the 4x4 features. I have a cloud controller, so there is no concern with controllers for me. But you will not regret GS in your home. They will do all you will need when backed with a good switch and firewall.

[@wifiguy_nz]

I use Grandstream as my go-to Access Point. (NOT Ubiquiti anymore) Grandstream will be releasing networking switch's this quarter hopefully. The main reason I do not use Ubiquiti these days is because of how they have treated their distributors. My wholesaler has been supporting and promoting them for nearly 10 years and they no longer seam to want to support him. I expect there is politics involved. I also suspect Ubiquiti want to be an Apple and sell direct to the public. As an integrator, this will not help me getting support phone calls when on a customers site. I get very little "Mark Up Value" when selling the product while offering a follow service to the customer over the next 12 months after installation compared to other brands. As for IP Cameras, I am trying out Milesight with their new AI features.

[@wiedapp]

@@wifiguy_nz Yes, as a manufacturer you should always consider the people who you want to sell your stuff to. You need to want them to buy your stuff. Unfortunately, as of late, many companies seem to have lost that focus. For my home use I will most likely not need professional support (I hope so, at least), but as I have not heard that much about Grandstream here in Germany (extremely little marketing and only two official sellers nationwide), that is a point I will need to live with. I sure hope their line of switches comes with a good feature set. 4x SFP+ with 10G would be very nice to see,for example. The kicker would be managebility together with the APs, like the GWN7000, but just as a switch. Layer 2 VLAN Routing is the last thing I'd like to see, to fence in all the IoT and Smart Home stuff. But that could be done with a OPNSense as well, if needed. But, what I really want, is first and foremost a central managed WiFi system and that is possible with Grandstream. Everything else is the icing on the cake, if it can be adopted into the central management.

[@regchan]

UniFi Network Controller 6.0.43 in this version it mentioned Display Site Switcher on Cloud Key with UniFi OS and multiple sites. nothing about multi site toggle i think they got to stop putting beta testing if its beta tell us to test it i also agree with you if its a bug fix it should be in the bug fix section

[@SvenVanderwegen]

Maybe it is classified as an improvement because it's new for the controller based on UbiOS. They might even never have intended to "remove" it in the first place and just forgot it wasn't already in the UbiOS controller.

[@familyplans3788]

Totally agree with you , they tried it and got burned . first thing i did was turn off auto updates, i know i know i should have done that before but at least its done now , May i ask what those 4 objects on the shelf are ? They look very cool

[@familyplans3788]

@@WillieHowe cool cheers

[@tornadotj2059]

Never use auto-update. Set up a test lab and always test all firmware/patches/etc. before deploying into production. :)

[@ExaByteTutorials]

Do can UDM base and UDM Pro now have Multisite or not?

[@ExaByteTutorials]

@@WillieHowe okay thank you!

[@hadphild]

I want you to ask ubiquiti for mesh VPN for multi site

[@marcarlos10]

as it consultant like you and by the way very good we have many alternatives

[@asdf51501]

I'm smiling at the timestamps in a 4min video :) But yeah, I'm someone who is going to be building out a rack setup for a multi-vlan home network, and while Ubiquiti presents a unified solution, they require a remote account for some reason (which makes no sense and decreases security greatly) and seem pretty capricious about updating firmware to remove features. I don't need a fancy UI and nor do I need to obfuscate network terminology (like a "corporate" vs a "guest" vlan), I just need devices to log into, configure, and forget about until I need to change something, and I'm perfectly capable of configuring vlans, routing, access lists, and whatnot. Ubiquiti makes a fancy solution, but is it really good? What are good alternatives?

[@asdf51501]

@@WillieHowe Thanks for the reply! I will check those out.

[@Juicefpv]

Great to see the Leader award being proudly displayed in the background. Love your videos. Hello from Australia

[@kabloosh699]

At least they listened.

[@onlineopenness]

The writing is on the wall. They are testing the market.

[@BradleyBrewer]

I don't like what they did, but not in panic mode either. I agree, I doubt it was a bug, but at least they responded to the outcry so I'll give them credit for that. Cloudkey is not something you want to host many sites on anyway, so maybe some people were stretching its ability and complaining which made them want to do that. Who knows, but onward we go and this to shall pass.

[@Noodles.FreeUkraine]

Yeah, that's the last nail in the coffin for me. Just moved to a new house and was about to do some truck-sized network and video shopping @ UniFi. Now I'll throw out the last remnants instead. Just registered as an Aruba partner, why go elsewhere when I have to register with the manufacturer anyways. At least my clients and I will have reliable updates. Improvements my ass.

[@talkenrain842]

it's like the girl that dumps you cuz she thinks she can do better, She gets online and discovers how good she had it, and is back at your door, begging for another chance. The ultimate backpedal. if this was a mistake, someone with authority in the company needs to come out with an official statement on this and assurance its not part of a future plan.

[@texasnelson1356]

Hi! Willie, I am a college student working on majoring in Game Development, Programming, and IT: Cyber Security. I've been researching Ubiquiti for the last few months, as well as checking out KZbin reviews on their products, and liked the direction that the company was heading. I was looking at making my first long term investment, but now I am rethinking my decision to invest in their product line. What are your thoughts?

[@wiz722]

I think they're pushing really hard to use their own proprietary controller hardware.

[@ronaldhofman1726]

haha , they are definitely paddling back, to much complaints i think, i am still a fan of ubnt because it work reliably and is easy to install at clients, i am not zo very enthusiastic about the dream machine router/storage combo, they want to take a peace of the NAS market i think, i have a QNAP nas and only thing it does is NVR software and photo cloud because of the limitited space on onedrive and tha fact that i wanted it to be 100% under my control i now have 8 TB on that qnap , lovely.

[@robert_g_fbg]

It appears the Bug is in the management system, as in HR. Who’s making these decisions?

[@marcarlos10]

You are one of my favorites but you went ahead very fast to judge but I don't want to be rude

[@jmlemmi]

All recent controller updates have been dumpster fires. I can't remember the last good added feature in the controller

[@JimtheITguy]

I disagree and it was most definitely a "Bug" in that they pushed a release before they added the toggle switch to turn it off and on, its not the first time they have done this and it wont be the last with UI, so much so that I was saying they would be adding it straight back in for the next release, sure enough there is was, people just got far to dramatic over it

[@klimraamkosie]

Yes, experienced and questioned it at the time, changed on next release if you didn't have more than one site to show up in the updated interface.

[@coreyverisario6570]

I 100% agree the sites issue was NOT a bug. No way. It would have been fixed within an hr and a new version would have been sent out and they would have said sorry. No words speak louder than actions with UI.

[@looseycanon]

Let me be the devil's advocate for a moment. Listing this supposed bugfix as improvement could be mere oversight. Given how quickly this was shelled out would support this, because we all know, how easy it is to make a mistake in a rush. I still belive like you, that they got caught with their hand in a cookie jar, but let's give them the benefit of a doubt, for now. We'll see, how things really are. What interest's me now more, is the fact that you have to tie your cloudkey gen2 and the plus in to their cloud. That need's to be reversed. I'd say, if they do that, they'll show proper good will. As for overloading the cloud key. Well, let there be a hard limit on number of devices. That would be reasonable. Rather than going in these back alleys of customer service.

[@ZachSkagen]

I guess it pays to be UniFied......

[@sygad1]

STILL no UDM-Pro.....total BS

[@PabloTBrave]

The cloud key should never have supported multi site. it's a cheap consumer device look at the spec 10 switches 40 APs and 2000 clients .

[@akletke1]

That's exactly what it's designed for. Small deployments. Small offices with a few remote locations. Or in my instance I manage my network along with my siblings and parents all from my single cloud key. Anything else should be on a hosted controller.

[@PabloTBrave]

@@akletke1 for the spec and price I didn't bother I justcreated a VM on my Nas for it

[@klimraamkosie]

@@PabloTBrave the point is that having that ability may go away.

[@MrVagyok]

IT IS TIME to find alternative to start transit away from Unifi!

[@johnholland2575]

Just because they list it as a "feature", doesn't mean it is. In my opinion, that's a political decision. Kind of "don't get on case"!