CCNA is a waste of time - I explain why.

[@bseldon001]

This guy is absolutely correct. I'm a senior IS major. I started applying for positions and every interview I've had did not want CCNA. They outsourced they're networking to 3rd parties and everything was handled in the cloud. I stopped studying for CCNA and started learning cloud technology. I start my first IT position on Monday. The basic stuff I learned from reading the CCNA book was valuable for the knowledge but cyber and the cloud are what you need to know. Great video!!

[@UnixGuy]

Congrats on landing a new job! That’s my message and I want to help people land jobs like you did. Well done 👏🏻

[@clwoni1414]

Hello, thanks for sharing this! How is the new job going?

[@kodak9521]

Indeed!

[@AchayaNx07]

Could please mention the courses you studied for getting into cloud??

[@incongruous4]

That's what I've heard but I also hear that all clouds are based off networks so ccna will be a foundation for the rest of what you're doing and helps understanding concepts for harder cloud certs and your job in general Edit: nvm I should've watched the entire video before going to the comment section lol

[@imranhossain24]

CCNA is a must for Network Engineers.

[@UnixGuy]

I agree and Its not the point of this video, but thanks for your comment

[@willgreat8384]

i like this comment because im actively persuing a network engineering job rn , thank you

[@genjimccorkle5518]

Meh, I like networking anyway, taking my Network+ exam this Thursday. Studying for the CCNA right after.

[@bhir3020]

In my experience there's 2 ways to go when still applying for a entry level position in IT: Either you apply for a help-desk position at start and after 6-12months doing that try to apply for a better position (admin, cybersec etc) likely in the same company OR you get some certifications on your own (Comptia ones, CCNA etc) and by learning for them online for free and just buying exam vouchers (around 200dollars per cert) treat it as an investment so you can skip the help-desk part and apply for better positions immediately. Both paths should eventually lead you to a position where the company sends you to acquire some real certs costing 8-10k$. It's just again as a lead in a department I'm more inclined to send a guy to those courses who already has passed some entry level certs...

[@UnixGuy]

fair enough, that’s a good plan you laid out

[@callmebigpapa]

@@UnixGuy Could you do a video on the value of starting at a helpdesk? For me it was great for learning IT troubleshooting and the fundamentals.....but admittedly that was back in the token ring days.

[@eman0828]

You will have a very tough time if you skip Help Desk. Admin and Engineer roles are NOT entry-level roles as you need prior IT experience. It took me 3 years to become a Linux Admin after starting in service desk. I have no degree or certifications. I did stuff outside of Help Desk to aquire my experience. Rarely anyone would start of as a Sysadmin as their very first IT job. You need to very experienced when handling a companies critical infrastructure. If you don't know what you are doing can cost a company lost in down time, money and your job.

[@caridabaptiste9878]

​@@eman0828so how did you get them to hire you without a Linux cert that's amazing is CCNP a waste of time too? I want to know.

[@eman0828]

@@caridabaptiste9878 I had piror experience working with Linux. Started out with Ubuntu Server 10 back in 2013. I did some consultant work on the side, built and deployed a servers to a small business. I drop out of college around that time and never went back because I didn't learn anything in a classroom. I already knew 80% of everything that I taught myself. I was moving faster than what any college professor could teach me.

[@LMY2000XD]

Spent 8 months now studying for my CCNA, I might as well finish now.

[@UnixGuy]

Agreed, if you've already studied just get it over with. Good luck!

[@milesdyson5211]

Trust me CCNA carries a lot of weight and is recognized everywhere

[@jazzescobedo9099]

@@milesdyson5211 I think you are right, maybe some companies arent worried about if you have CCNA certification, but maybe other are, i believe is a better have and didnt need than need and didnt have the certification. its only my opinion, maybe im wrong.

[@theybecameus]

There is free CCNA training available on KZbin. Just watching that and not paying for certification is the best. U save money and also get knowledge.

[@UnixGuy]

exactly

[@atheisttttt]

Which course?

[@G3RM3X617]

@@UnixGuy alot of people study the ccna. Also network chucks videos barely cover the ccna. That's like a introduction you tools. Again even if it was the full course not all people who study can pass it. That's the point of a test.

[@UnixGuy]

@@G3RM3X617 You are right, I agree that a test measures understanding the material to an extent. My suggestion regarding studying the ‘foundation’ part if someone haven’t got a uni degree or a diploma and doesn’t know anything about networking then they can learn that and move on to pay for tests and things that will give them more opportunities, hope that clarifies it

[@G3RM3X617]

@@UnixGuy another one is funny is when people say the a+ is common sense cause it's not. Even if they have more advanced certs there is a good chance there are some topics on that test they dont know. Not knowing some of it is all it takes to fail. Also it's not common sense unless they could take the test this minute and pass. If you have to study even a tiny bit it's not common sense.

[@flyduck]

Ccna will give you good foundations in networking principles in general which you can draw on when you need to understand or deep dive at any stage. It is also impressive on a cv and a talking point for an interview. I accept that time is limited for learning but if your job is centred around cloud then it will be a deep well you can draw on. There is something to say for structured learning with recognised cert rather than KZbin

[@UnixGuy]

have you even watched the video? I responded to the ‘foundation’ claim

[@flyduck]

@@UnixGuy yes I watched the video, not criticising just expressing an opinion and we should be open to a range of opinions and let people make up their own minds

[@UnixGuy]

@@flyduck for sure my friend, and I respect your opinion. True a lot of people believe it to be foundation, I argue that many (most really) people in IT don’t have it and never bothered with it and I presented a different point of view :)

[@user-lr7iz9ls4u]

CCNA makes you know how L2 and L3 works

[@UnixGuy]

@@user-lr7iz9ls4u ok

[@darkwing451]

I've done just that, instead of going for CCNA, I went for CompTIA Network+, Security+, Linux+ then cloud certifications. Just over 1.5yr in Helpdesk role, I managed to find a cloud support role. Then a year later cloud engineer. Now picking up IT security skills and certifications for specialization in Cloud Security in the near future.

[@UnixGuy]

Well done mate, the way you did it you saved time and money 👏🏻

[@bicdeez007]

What cloud certifications did you pair with the Network+, Security+ and Linux+?

[@noumantaj810]

​@@UnixGuy I am a high School pass out and 29 yrs of age now I work an odd job Can you please suggest me a road map if possible through certification and boot camps to build a carrier in cloud?

[@UnixGuy]

@@noumantaj810 yes start here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bH2shpuubpqAebc

[@shagb2751]

I got the ccna, it helped me to land a job but 90% of it I dont need. Who the heck can remember all these cli commands anyway.

[@UnixGuy]

that’s usually the case

[@FM-cw8fx]

That's usually the case with any certs. Purpose of a cert is to get you an interview

[@FelixNL05]

Thank you for your video. I am currently working as Help desk technician, and studying CCNA with a lot of pleasure to build up my confidence in IT, even if i won’t take the Networking path aka Network admin in the future. I totally understand your perspective, i know that there is not a perfect /magic certification to move up but i strongly believe that i have to start from somewhere .. Keep up your excellent content

[@UnixGuy]

thanks mate and good luck! I have a video coming next week called ‘how to escape helpdesk’, stay tuned as I believe it’ll help you :)

[@FelixNL05]

@@UnixGuy oh great ! That’s very important for me !

[@abdullateefadedokun9546]

Pls what will I need for help desk job

[@FelixNL05]

@@abdullateefadedokun9546 a video might be released next Tuesday about that topic

[@ChrisBenjamins]

Nice buddy. Im in the exact same position right now and learning for my CCNA as well. It really gives you a lot of motivation and confidence in IT. Also I would recommend you to build your own lab and go crazy , you will acquire so many good and important skills.

[@Jup_24]

Thank you so much for this video! Unixguy! As you know I’m at a community college my major is Information Assurance and Cyber Security. On our curriculum we have to take three classes of CCNA 1,2 and 3. Except for the last one we can take intro to cloud computing. I found cloud computing waaaay more interesting 😂. Can’t wait for next year to take intro to cloud computing. Thank you so much for your valuable information as always 🙏🏽

[@UnixGuy]

Keep up the good work Julissa 👏🏻

[@Jup_24]

@@UnixGuy Thank you so much! I’m binge watching your videos right now. 🙏🏽 God bless

[@mikewillodea]

I honestly agree a lot with your perspective with the CCNA. I work in an environment as a network Administrator and rarely get to do any real work on Cisco equipment now anyway. BUT the fundamentals you learn from the CCNA especially the current version is indeed worthwhile in the field as a starting point. The network fundamentals are important. My next route will be cloud engineering or security but I think anyone learning ccna should be commended. It’s a hard cert. you will learn a lot. Use that knowledge to move onto more demanding aspects of IT. If you think your not going to spend any real time on Cisco equipment moving forward then sure use a more specific route (pun intended).

[@UnixGuy]

it’s definitely a challenging cert and I agree with you, it’s a must for network engineers. What I usuallu don’t agree on is that cyber security professionals should go the same route as network engineers, Whilst it is possible, I just recommend more efficient ways :)

[@mikewillodea]

@@UnixGuy totally agree. I love networking so I’m happy to learn it. If your desire is cyber security then there are better methods. I’m interested in the Microsoft security cert atm as I’m using the platform a lot with our company’s Microsoft environment.

[@UnixGuy]

@@mikewillodea good choice, Microsoft is everywhere! they’ve just released this if you haven’t seen it which is a great intro that you can do more microsoft azure stuff after: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpjOpGammptsnrM

[@fahdalawsi2172]

You honestly made me feel doubtful about my current IT BSc degree. I am doing cyber security and it's a network-focused degree. Now I am thinking of going towards CS.

[@UnixGuy]

no kee doing your degree. Your specialisation is good and it’ll open doors, you’re not specialised in cisco, you’re specialised in networking, you can build on that

[@SaifRizwan]

@@UnixGuy what if you're from a different field / profession altogether and want to move into IT (say Cyber Security). Wouldn't CCNA be a must to get one's fundamentals down - I'm talking about someone with no prior IT experience or understanding of networking concepts.

[@UnixGuy]

@@SaifRizwan you can follow this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKuTg39qjdqYY6Msi=i2uWxzOI52VO5U89

[@pseudoe]

Dude i gotta say you’re awesome. I’m majoring in cybersecurity at my college and our curriculum requires us to take a few networking courses, including a dedicated wireless networking course (CWNA). Luckily, I ended up passing my CWNA exam and now I already have a wireless networking certificate. However, I had been nervous because ultimately my end goal is to do some sort of security, whether it’s networking, cloud, etc. After watching your video I’m glad that there are options out there, and I’m more glad to know that employers are looking for more than just a CCNA. I’ll say that at my college, they love to shove networking in your face. I’m a second year student, and have yet to do something “security” related besides basic network security. So screw it, I’m going to spend my own time outside of school to try and accelerate my education and career.

[@UnixGuy]

well done mate, universities are notorious for being behind the times - they will teach you what they know to teach rather than what’s actually going to get you a job in your field (cybersecurity). It’s fine to learn all these basics in your degree but if you want work in cybersecurity then you better spend the majority of your time on cyber security. Start with this video and work your way through my videos, you’ll figure out what to do next: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5jCo6ifqKmIjsU

[@fluffyball3347]

I can relate to this, my uni also shoves CCNA in my face saying that its a must to get hired. We already have 3 networking courses before we end the second year.

[@UnixGuy]

@@fluffyball3347 unfortunately people who teach at universities have no idea what the market wants and they lack real world experience. At best some of then may have worked in the field a decade ago or have done some internships

[@jacoblang9915]

Thank you! I came here for an honest opinion from someone who knows the industry, and you provide just that. Not everyone will have the same opinion and the comment section shows that, but thank you so much for providing your view on the topic.

[@UnixGuy]

thanks Jacob, and I agree not everyone is prepared to consider a different opinion

[@crystal_anserem]

I think the main point here is that if you really really want to become a network engineer then sure go for ccna, ccnp and so on, you will have to know all that stuff. If you don't want to be a network engineer then you can learn networking basics yourself or pass n+, for example. There's no point spending your time learning ios commands if you are not going to use them.

[@UnixGuy]

Pretty much, and if you want to become a network engineer you really need to be clear on why you want to do that as it’s not the high growth career area that it used to be 15-20 years ago. Thanks for watching and thanks for your summary and perspective

[@EldritchAugur]

There is a lot more to CCNA than just learning ios though. It's a much deeper look at networking than Network+ is. You have to learn how to configure vlans, spanning tree, how to configure static routes, OSPF, etc. Network+ just teaches you what those things are, not how to actually configure a working network. Having that fundamental knowledge is something that is beneficial in all aspects of IT. Networking still has similar aspects in the cloud, and you can build on that with AWS, you need a strong networking background for cybersecurity as well. The only issue with CCNA is that it's so in depth that it's a huge time investment. Probably 3-6 months at least. But it will only help you if you have the time to learn it.

[@seeuonthemoon5435]

Thanks for the video. I've to admit that I planned to pass CCNA exam, but after watching your video I'll probably not even if I already started to study (I've done 1/3 of the studies). In my case, as a cybersecurity consultant junior, CCNA is not necessary. In the comment there are a lot of people that don't understand that he never said that CCNA was useless. It's still a great cert. It combining networking fundamental and applying these fund to Cisco devices. But, It is for this last reason that it is not adapted to all profiles. As an engineer - consultant in cybersecurity / Cloud consultant you will never (or very rarely) need to configure network equipment. So yes, the certification is still good because it allows you to see the network fundamentals (just like network+ or a network course) but as I said before, the certification is also based on Cisco equipment configuration which is completely useless unless you want to become a network security engineer. So the only part that will benefit you will be the network fund part (which you can learn by other methods, cert). Lot of questions in CCNA are related to equipment configuration so pretty useless except for a network engineer. Of course, depending on your country, it may be recommended to take it because companies don't evolve and think that no matter what your position is, it's essential to have it (which is not true). To conclude, I'll say that CCNA is adapted to network (security) engineer profile and yes network fund are required if you work in security or Cloud but there are other better way to learn them. As he said, if you want to work in Cloud and/or cybersecurity learn network fund (following course or network+ is fine) and then go directly on Cloud (AWS / AZURE / GCP) / Security cert (Pentest, IAM, etc) You can use this link to find the good cert for you : pauljerimy.com/security-certification-roadmap/ On my side, I'll still keep following CCNA course (from Jeremy IT Lab) because I still need to learn / validate some net fund and I found that his videos are great. But I won't past the exam or pratice CCNA using labs, learning Cisco CMD because I'll never use them. After validating network fund, I'll be following Security+ and then Cloud security (Aws, Azure, GCP) and specifics products cert (CyberArk, Crowdstrike...) regarding what I want to learn. Sorry for bad english

[@UnixGuy]

yeah I think people are emotionally attached to it

[@Matheus545]

@@UnixGuyespecially HR

[@jkaduda]

You are right. Cloud and Security certifications are very key. I was to advise my son to do CCT now I know.......let him just familiarise himself to networking but focus on cloud or security certifications

[@UnixGuy]

🫡

[@chetankalmath6211]

Yes, He is correct!! I have been working in Network Operations now, it's been 5 years but after that I wanted to change I'm not receiving much opartunities in Networking even tried searching number of jobs, now after his video I started AWS cloud, almost completing the course by end of this week. - Thank you so much

[@UnixGuy]

Good luck my friend! wishing you a smooth transition to cloud

[@jackie9407]

Hey Chetan, How about doing Cybersecurity? CCISO certs?

[@chetankalmath6211]

@@jackie9407 Hi I'm not much familier with Cyber security and it's very costly for me.

[@UnixGuy]

@@jackie9407 yes do these certs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6eXcnt8qpKoiJI

[@Reason_over_Dogma]

Probably not receiving much opportunity because you stayed married to one employer and wasn't adding to your skillset until recently.

[@VeteranGrunt101]

Hello, I've understood your point, I've failed my CCNA test this Friday and after watching your video It did shed a light on why this certification is not the "holy grail" I've put lots of work on the study but now I am really considering cloud administration. Jira to be more exact. It might be a niche area but I guess cloud is the future. Thank you for your insight!

[@UnixGuy]

Best of luck!

[@VeteranGrunt101]

@@UnixGuy I appreciate it!

[@IlliaFokin]

Thank you very much. Currently, I am considering preparing for CCNA or not, and you really had a point I should keep in mind

[@UnixGuy]

Best of luck!

[@david_108]

1. It's always a plus to have more granular knowledge. I do prefer CCNA + AWS so I do not have to explain subnetting or BGP. 2. CCNA explains cabling, explains binaries and hexa (swallow). It recommends you always to get deeper, so being an electronic engineer it's indeed a plus. 3. The part that explains with kids metaphor was not necessary. It's rude. 4. AWS & cybersecurity are trendy, this is right. In both cases having networking/security/sysadmin background is a must or at least a big plus. I understand that your intention may be beneficial for many IT incomers to know where to driver their efforts but, I am not sure if pointing to CCNA as a weakness or lose of time creates more confusion than focus. Plus, I do believe that for network engineers it's almost a requirement (CCNA or JNCIA or any associate vendor level) even with, the little bit of networking you saw in your degree.

[@UnixGuy]

1- But it’s not. My whole point is time should be spent elsewhere. For someone who wants to do DFIR work which pays a tons with A LOT of demand, CCNA is pointless and the path itself is long and pricey 2. yes and ? you can the information that you need from every cert, more is not better. 3. The arche-type exists in IT and very common, when a grown man/woman behave like this, they will be called out. 4. Wrong again, they’re far from being a must. This is what I’m trying to explain; that notion os outdated and is wasting people times. 5. If you want to be a network engineer, go for it and good luck. I repeatedly said in the video that I didn’t meant there are zero networking engineering jobs. That was not the point my point. if people still want to cling to “lets do ccna, net+ , A+’ etc, then more power to them, I said my 2 cents and adults can choose to do what they want with their time/money

[@david_108]

@@UnixGuy It is good to hear different opinions and I do respectfully disagree with most of the explanations provided but indeed I do appreciate it for taking the time to answer.

[@UnixGuy]

@@david_108 thanks for your response David, and I appreciate your different points of view as well

[@eman0828]

Just checking some comments. Azure and many other Cloud provider's now have Cloud Network Engineers certifications meaning Cisco being less relevant due to I being vendor hard specific. Although most organizations are Hybrid not fully Cloud yet, the future for traditional Cisco Network Engineers will shift to Cloud Network Engineers. You have to evolve. Alot of Sysadmins jobs have evolved into Cloud Engineer and DevOps Engineers. I'm headed that direction my self as a RHEL admin that apply my professional Linux experience with Cloud computing. Everything is becoming more automated these days. Almost all Sysadmins use DevOps automation tools including myself that uses both the SaltStack and Ansible.

[@vicktor_damian6612]

Sir, as you've mentioned that Cloud Certifications are more recommended in current scenario, which is obvious because everything's is shifting into cloud based storage system,, but which cloud certification should be better to go on first ? I'd love to know your suggestion ,,, Also I'm a frequent viewer of your channel and saved it in My Bookmark List... Thanks For you information.. Looking for learning more from you.... 😊

[@UnixGuy]

the answer is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHjZmH2Bqd6ardE

[@bkstandard882]

Azure

[@dontmatter615]

I slightly disagree. It really depends depends on your situation really. I wanted to get into cyber security with about 6 months of helpdesk experience in IT. I completed a cyber security bootcamp got the security+ certificate and struggled to find an entry level cyber job. I settled for a well paid internal IT support role for 8 months, got the CCNA and then was finally able to get multiple interviews for cyber security roles. I think the CCNA gave me the knowledge most modern candidates lack (networking foundamentals). You'd be surprised how much the CCNA is still respected by hiring managers. I think you dont have much experience in IT getting a CCNA and a Security/Cloud certification combo will make you stand out. If you already a few years of experience you're better off getting a Security or Cloud certification instead of CCNA.

[@UnixGuy]

A lot goes into getting a job than a piece of paper, if you had experience in IT, a bootcamp, a security+ my guess would that combination (specially the experience) is what helped you I’m not against people doing a CCNA, all I’m saying is there other FASTER ways, that’s all.

[@josephjefferson6368]

It depends on where your interests lie. As I'm sure you know, there have been many that have gotten entry jobs on the strength of the CCNA. Yes, you are correct that Cisco R&S are not as in demand as they used to be, however, you are giving a one-sided viewpoint based upon your CS background. Cisco R&S' are still the standard, and are very much a part of such areas as cybersecurity.

[@UnixGuy]

ok cool, do ccna then, good luck

[@Mike_Hawk1]

Please make a video about CCST which is Cisco certification for Cyber Security.

[@UnixGuy]

it’s an ok cert, not what I recommend. If you want to learn cyber security start here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKuTg39qjdqYY6M

[@Mike_Hawk1]

@@UnixGuy I watched the entire video, and I wanted to come back and thank you for providing the link to that video. It motivated me to get started with the Google Cybersecurity Professional Certificate. When I finish it, I'll start applying for jobs and do TryHackMe Soc 1 while I'm waiting. Thanks for clearing up the path!

[@zomgoose]

Networking is not as lucrative as before but it is fundamental to being an admin. Network+ would probably be sufficient in place of CCNA. A lot of Cisco techs are indoctrinated. The simple fact is that many competitors can do the same thing.

[@UnixGuy]

You can still get paid a lot in networking but as I said there are less number of roles to go around. Also in the video i mentioned that the ‘fundamentals’ are covered over and over in all degrees/diplomas and other certs

[@EldritchAugur]

In my opinion this advice has good intentions but seems unrealistic for the current job market. It's easy to say "go for cloud or security" because those are the growth markets with the best paying jobs but you have to start somewhere. I've never heard of anyone starting in those fields without getting really lucky with an internship and a direct hire right out of college. Going straight to Cybersecurity with a Sec+? I very much doubt that. I know Sec+ is in high demand but usually in conjunction with other work experience. On it's own it really doesn't teach you anything practical, it's just a vocab test. CCNA is a great way to transition to an admin role that'll make that transition to cloud or security easier later in your career. Both those fields are uber competitive and tough to break into without some solid work experience on your resume.

[@UnixGuy]

Just because you haven’t heard of people getting hired straight into security or cloud roles doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. It’s a lot more common in the industry, I’m in cyber and I see it every day. Yes security+ is just a start, if you watch my other vidoes I lay out career plans for various paths. Yes people used to start out with things like A+, Net+ , CCNA in the past, you can still do that now if you want, I’m telling you things have changed and there are alternatives that can make the whole process faster and save you time but it’s totally up to you. You’ll find people who do things a certain way to be emotionally attached to it and they want everyone else to follow the same path. - I’m telling you there is another way, but again, please do what you think is best for you :) thanks for your comment and your respectful communication

[@AlphaGe3k]

Just saved me the 1500$ for ccna! Your channel will explode in the future! Thank you for your time and knowlege!

[@UnixGuy]

thanks mate, all the best to you in your journey 🙏🏻

[@bunnyslayer14]

i am so confused, what scam website are you seeing CCNA vouchers for $1500? it's $300

[@raijin199]

If cisco is not important than why do employers still say they want CCNA qualified candidates?

[@UnixGuy]

ok

[@juanmondragon]

You didn't see the entire video? Obviously not

[@draemcgowan7290]

Pretty new to IT. I currently hold my Sec+. I have been told I should get my Net+ to be more marketable. However, I want to be a Cloud Security Engineer or Cloud Security Architect. So I feel going for my Linux+ is better. Thoughts?

[@UnixGuy]

congrats on getting the security+ . you most definitely don’t need anymore comptia certs. go straight to cloud certs and dont waste time/money. This video will help you get started: Become a Cloud Security expert | Step by Step kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHjZmH2Bqd6ardE

[@spiritofdetroitpodcast]

Do cloud - cloud + server + AWS - u can have a good career with that

[@draemcgowan7290]

@@UnixGuy Thank you so much sir! Greatly appreciate your insight!

[@draemcgowan7290]

@@spiritofdetroitpodcast If you don't mind me asking. What about those certs made you marketable? What cloud knowledge did you gain from it?

[@spiritofdetroitpodcast]

@@draemcgowan7290 I look at certs differently/ the learning. Comes from the job not the paper back book knowledge / certs are a way to gate gate keep just like degrees we’re on the past - u learn from the job the problem is To many folks think you have to be geniuses I ended up getting a government Helpdesk job for 70k - but I’m working. On bachelors and more things to get me to the 100k mark

[@arwiley958]

I don't know. I kind of agree but kind of disagree. It really kind of depends on what you want to do. For cyber security, yeah, it's probably not really necessary. If, however you want to be a Network Engineer or work for an ISP company the CCNA is probably a hard requirement. Regardless of whether you sit for the exam or not the knowledge and information in the CCNA is extremely important and valuable. A LOT of cloud and even cyber security people don't have a good foundation in networking and that ultimately holds them back. That said every company and every role is going to have different requirements when it comes this type of stuff. My suggestion is look up the job roles and companies that you are interested in and see what certifications and experience they require then work towards that. If earning the CCNA can get your foot in the door somewhere then it's absolutely worth it and not a waste of time.

[@UnixGuy]

ok thanks for sharing

[@joebashour]

Thank you for your genuine and honest input!

[@UnixGuy]

🙏🏻

[@midnighthymn]

Got a new subscriber. Thank you so much. Just got Net+ and going straight for Sec+ now.

[@UnixGuy]

thanks mate, congrats on passing the net+ and go smash the sec+ exciting times ahead for you

[@midnighthymn]

@@UnixGuy Would you recommend Cyber or Cloud?

[@UnixGuy]

@@midnighthymn honestly both are great pathways and cyber has many sub-specialisation. Pick one and go deep with it, it’s easier to pivot to something else once you have experience and higher level certs

[@hermonkidane1503]

Really insightful video, so I was actually thinking of going for CCNA, then LPIC, then Sec+, in the end I really don't want to be a network admin/engineer, just want to have solid ground with respect to linux and networking, so what would you recommend, net+ just doesn't make sense in my opinion, as the price to value is lower than opinion, I could be wrong here, but at the same time I want to have certs that I can change jobs even as a sysadmin, before being a very competent penteste/purple teamer, what sort of paths do you recommend I take? Appreciate you time and guide.

[@UnixGuy]

you don’t need to do all of that before cyber security, start with these certs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKWvl4trlLGobpY

[@vinnyderulo8527]

OH MY GOD!!!!! I needed this right now just graduated and i was a little bit confused Thank mn

[@UnixGuy]

🙏🏻

[@zoltron30]

I kinda disagree. The CCNA and my work ethic helped me advance my position where we support close to 20k OLG sites that use Cisco routers, basic cloud stuff and data center technologies and Fiber. But I do want to switch to Cyber and get an entry level position. Nice video but do you have a video about switching from between networking to cyber?

[@UnixGuy]

Congrats on your success and very happy for you! Looks like you have great work ethic and you will succeed in any path you decide to take! For cyber security, this is the best path for you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKuTg39qjdqYY6Msi=i2uWxzOI52VO5U89

[@UncleThirsty]

I have been working as a IT field technician for the last couple of years. I started out at the Helpdesk. I am almost done with a AS in business IT support but I want to pivot into digital forensics. Where do I start? Please help!

[@UnixGuy]

Become a Cyber Forensic Investigator (Beginners Roadmap 2024) kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5bOq5R_Zbp5eqM

[@obaidullahnoori7066]

Thanks for the video and happy to find you here as well. I like the insight you have given.

[@UnixGuy]

Thanks for kind words Obaidullah, I appteciate your support

[@hariprasadsagireddy625]

Hi sir Currently i am working in Tcs as a Network administrator. I have total experience in IT field 1.5 years. Now i want to move cyber security/cloud security side. Can you please tell me where to start?

[@UnixGuy]

start here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5jCo6ifqKmIjsU

[@blazzz13]

3:52 This level of factual trolling is legendary. Well done sir 😂

[@UnixGuy]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[@diegovieira3868]

Hello! First of all, congratulations on the job of informing the community about career and direction. But, I believe that the title of the video as ccna being a waste of time is not a reflection of reality. The cisco ccna certification provides a strong and essential foundation for any analyst's technical training, making a difference and impacting the lives of thousands of people entering the IT field around the world. I think your statement is very extreme and not true. I speak from experience, that thanks to ccna I managed to change careers. But of course it's not the same for everyone and certification should be done if it makes sense for the career prospects of anyone looking to work in IT. Those are my considerations.

[@UnixGuy]

Thanks for your comment Diego, and we’re gonna have to agree to disagree regarding CCNA being ‘foundation’, I addressed that within the video. Having said that, congrats on getting a job and I wish you all the best my friend :)

[@thenicestguy2748]

What was your previous career?

[@diegovieira3868]

@@thenicestguy2748 Sales

[@wmurray1990]

The CCNA helped me launch my career. However the truth is not one of my ~30 Certs have landed me a job. Networking as a career field is fun but it is a shrinking field and even the Network Vendor are aware of this. If you are a Network Engineer and you're not at least cloud literate I would suggest you might be playing catch-up moving forward in your career

[@UnixGuy]

that’s what I’m trying to say, the CCNA may have helped you but times are different and there better alternatives out there. Unfortunately people perpetuate outdated advice

[@sanjeevasamarawira1515]

This guy is 100%! correct. I know this with experience in the software industry for 9 years.

[@UnixGuy]

which parts of the video reasonated with you in your experience in the software industry?

[@FM-cw8fx]

Your experience as a software engineer is irrelevant for the advises on this video

[@UnixGuy]

@@FM-cw8fx no it’s no, you are wrong.

[@secretnobody6460]

Happy to know this. I have been seeing recommendations also for the COMPTIA A+ but i don't want to deal with those. I want to focus right away in cyber sec. So i was thinking of doing first the google cert for cybersec and then the comptia sec+ after. What do you think?

[@UnixGuy]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHqyp6agbM91q7M

[@aditiverma6540]

Sir as i an new in this field... 1. is sysadmin have future ? 2. Sir i want to do certifications in microsoft operating system ? Does it worth for me?

[@UnixGuy]

it is fine yes

[@aditiverma6540]

@@UnixGuy sir i am a bsc student ... does it good for me

[@aditiverma6540]

@@UnixGuy thank you so much sir

[@sultansms8742]

Hi i’m a senior university student, and i’m studying for my comptia sec+ , and i’m planning to get eJPT after sec+ , then I’ll find a job in pen test industry. My question is do you think these two certs enough for an entry level pen test job or should i get another/more certs?

[@UnixGuy]

These certs are definitely a great start and you should start searching for a job after but it’s going to be really tough. Follow the recommendations I lay out in this video for pentesting to improve your chance of landing a pentesting job: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZazmYiIq8msp80

[@michaelhenry6712]

Linux+, Linux runs the server world. I would skip this guy's advice and get your CCNA, maybe CCNA Cyber OPS. N+ covers a lot of networking concepts and makes it easier to grasp the base concepts of the CCNA. CCNA will take you down the rabbit hole in terms of how it all works and why.

[@A42yearoldARAB]

Thank you! It is so confusing to know where to go everyone says something different.

[@UnixGuy]

I understand. Honestly, most 'advice' on cyber security on the Internet seem to be from individuals who don't even work in cyber security. Strange

[@fanusnam]

Thank you so much for your advise. I helps me to make decision.

[@UnixGuy]

Glad I could help!

[@vignesh8467]

Thankyou sir, i figuredout as early as possible, KZbin algorithm recommend this video 🙏sir please make this information videos 💗🙏💗

[@UnixGuy]

you’re welcome mate, glad you’re enjoying the videos, good luck!

[@FM-cw8fx]

So you saying the new people in it or with little experience can go straight to cloud and cybersecurity jobs by taking cloud /security certs. Correct?that would be extremly difficult. Let us know if someone get a job after doing what you are saying on your channel Of course if you have some experience in IT like working as sys admin or network engineer you dont need ccna.

[@UnixGuy]

Yes I am. I’ve been in tech for two decades, MOST people in tech have zero certifications. Zero. People have a mix of degrees and experience. Watch the video again, I explained clearly why people think ‘ccna’ is necessary and why it is false.

[@agastyakhatri]

absolutely right .

[@UnixGuy]

👍

[@ValentineMasina]

But since organisations that embrace the cloud are normally on hybrid cloud scenarios then onprem knowledge is also valuable. I would still encourage people to take those certs like CCNA, Linux SysAdmin and Windows Server if they find them valuable for their job prospects

[@UnixGuy]

I see no reason for someone who won’t be configuring cisco switches to do CCNA, I recommend time spent more strategically rather than doing outdated things ‘just because’.

[@cale7306]

It not that CCNA is bad, it just takes up to much time on extra info that is not needed in these days. Yes network fundamentals is are extremely important, but learning command specifically for cisco devices is not worth the time value because you will spend a lot of extra time studying information.

[@UnixGuy]

agreed, there are far more efficient ways to learn those fundamentals now: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHqyp6agbM91q7M

[@LianeS.-ep9w]

Thank you so much for the video, I'm currently studying to work in cybersecurity and was agonizing over how I was going to pay for the certificates lol I will watch some of your other videos to see if you recommend other certifications instead!

[@UnixGuy]

you can always start for free 😎 FREE Cyber Security Training for Beginners (HIGH Demand Skills) kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4Gue6mAfqyjh68

[@bunnyslayer14]

is $300 really that much? people acting like it costs as much as going to college

[@pataleno]

Even for cloud and cybersecurity a CCNA is a excellent certification to have alongside. I would do CCNA, and AWS after.

[@UnixGuy]

You can do that if you want to, I believe it’s unnecessary for most but if you love it then go for it. Good luck

[@jserr9682]

Thank you so much!!! as I don't want to waist any anytime, also what you say confirms What I'am seeing when I type CCNA in the job search on my geographical area. It only shows 30 jobs.....Thank you for this video!

[@UnixGuy]

You’re welcome my friend. People are so emotionally attached to it because they got the advice from someone older who did it 10-15 yrs ago when it was hot. I find its hard to change people’s beliefs specially when they’re emotionally attached. I have other videos that discuss certifications that are actually in demand, have a look and please feel free to ask me any question

[@jserr9682]

@@UnixGuy Exactly thanks to that I bought some Cisco physical equipment that I don't need so today I took your advice and went to cloud gurus, I wasn't aware till you mention it that i can do security on the cloud ..So thank you again!

[@dylanmorin8174]

you should add "if you dont want to be a network engineer/Net admin/Net technician" This course teaches fundamentals of networking and applying them. Not to mention cisco is world proprietary.

[@UnixGuy]

I did say in the video that ‘if you want to be a network engineer go do ccna..’

[@valleryflores.4135]

I’m studying software development at college and they offer me a certification in CCNA (I took it because I wanted have really good base at network and cybersecurity for my backend developer career) but at the end of the day I want to specialized myself in DevOps and Cloud Manager. Should I take CCNA or focus myself straight to cloud?

[@UnixGuy]

if you already took the course then just do the CCNA as fast as possible and move on :)

[@jytan740]

nowadays ppl are moving to cloud, the certifications i will focus are cissp, aws solutions architect prof, azure fundamentals and some azure certifications

[@UnixGuy]

yep

[@danielcasey7385]

I mostly agree, but I think this also largely depends on which vertical you work in. Manufacturing, Industrials, B&M retail, and others with a lot of physical locations will still have a need for a lot of the concepts that CCNA and even to an extent CCNP and CCIE teach. Cisco has even re-titled their CCNA to "CCNA Enterprise". Same with ISP's. If you work for a company that is 100% remote and has no physical locations and really does everything in the cloud then yes I agree CCNA does not make sense in this context.

[@UnixGuy]

the vertical has nothing to do with it, do CCNA if you want to be a career network engineer - which is a shrinking career - otherwise there is no point

[@danielcasey7385]

@@UnixGuy Been there done that. Moved into cyber security for some of the same reasons you've mentioned. This is just my observation from having worked on both sides, and coming from a shop that scaled back on their cloud migration due to cost reasons.

[@UnixGuy]

@@danielcasey7385 fair enough, and yes you are right many people haven't calculated how much they're spending on cloud and the bills comes as a shock. What can we do, we need to adapt to the changes in the market, thanks for your contribution Daniel

[@mentos6454]

Just started studying CCNA and found this video. Well, After getting my degree in college in just a couple of weeks I already landed my first job as IT. But I already have work experience in different field like BPO and Food industry before getting into IT. I was an IT staff and later got an offered to another company as IT specialist. Now I'm still getting better. Best of luck to everyone out there!

[@UnixGuy]

congrats on landing your job 👏🏻

[@mentos6454]

@@UnixGuy That's fast thank you for noticing my comment! Can we connect in LinkIn ? I just want to have more connection for work availability especially during this days It appears that remote jobs are growing.

[@mateuszkacperski1211]

16th of September I will start Google cybersecurity program 😊

[@UnixGuy]

good luck!

[@The_Scene826]

Great content. By the way , what is your opinion on CCNP SCOR

[@UnixGuy]

not unless you want to be a network engineer

[@trevorkubonga1140]

Hie im in cape town annd attempting to transition from the construction industry into IT. IT is like an uncharted journey to me and i dont have much guidance other than yourube videos like this, i realky appreciate them. Anyway i got introduced to ccna and i kind of put my hopes in it, to hear you say its a waste of time kind of get me confused however i do get your point. My goal is cybersecurity and i dont know of any path that can get me there very quickly.

[@UnixGuy]

this video will get you there faster: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHqyp6agbM91q7M

[@ReshaTech]

Thank you for your very good information, but in my country, due to sanctions, 90% of companies cannot have new equipment, and these 90% have relatively old Cisco equipment, what do you suggest in this situation?

[@UnixGuy]

Hi Resha, my absolute pleasure my friend! Learn the equipment needed in your country to get the job done but at the same time you need to upskill and gain new skill. The data still need to live somewhere (public/private cloud), and it still need to be secured. so combine those skills and don’t restrict yourself

[@ReshaTech]

@@UnixGuy Thank you, it is very helpful, I will continue with this advice 🙏

[@UnixGuy]

@@ReshaTech all the best

[@lynng6556]

Great, I am scheduled to take the CCNA exam on Sept 8th. I am trying to re-enter IT. I have CompTIA A+, Network+ and Security+ and get no response from employers. Now, I am wondering what to do?

[@UnixGuy]

If you've already studies and booked the exam, then do it it won't hurt and the knowledge you gained will help you. From there, pick something in demand like cyber or cloud, you can skip the A+ and Network+

[@hdmaragh]

Apply for better jobs. I bet you’re applying for jobs around where you think you fit. The problem is that you’re applying for jobs you’re gonna grow out of, not into. Apply for that job that is 2-3 steps ahead of where you are right now, and take it for pay that is only 1 step ahead of what you think you’re worth

[@UnixGuy]

@@hdmaragh 100% agreed

[@raijin199]

You need to Sprouse up your resume

[@Reason_over_Dogma]

The CCNA helped me land a 90k with no experience.

[@monceflaraki9437]

He’s 100% right even though ccna made my profile more visible

[@UnixGuy]

thanks

[@benonibrown3463]

So Basically I don't need CCNA before I enter into cloud computing, but I need Networking experience, How would I get that experience without a networking Job

[@UnixGuy]

no, you don’t need networking experience but you need basic networking knowledge. Follow this plan: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHepfpumeLF9n5I

[@tobaj_]

Hello, UnixGuy. You may not know. You're my mentor. Thanks for the selfless service!

[@UnixGuy]

So glad to hear that, that’s why I make the videos :)

[@tobaj_]

@@UnixGuy Can't thank you enough. You simplify the complex questions around cybersecurity.

[@UnixGuy]

@@tobaj_ 🫡

[@LateInCyber0424]

I believe I know what he meant when he said CCNA is required on his country. In some third world countries like mine where the minimum qualifications for entering an IT position is a bachelor’s degree, and every year hundreds of thousands graduate. Most companies whose HR department(not IT hiring managers) are not as progressive, will just trim the job seekers by as many certifications they have. It is sad but in some parts of the world is a reality

[@UnixGuy]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[@milkminer6006]

Same Here. I live in Jamaica and am struggling to find my way in IT after 5 years of leaving college. A lot of the jobs here are advertised with CCNA and/or CompTIA A+. I have a bunch of Azure certifications and I make under 25K USD a year in a rather shitty job that affords me little to no real experience but doing cert exams. I really need to pivot as I am not doing too well in my career and it's beginning to affect my mental health. I thought to look at the CCNA to see if I can leave my MSFT Cloud Specialist job and get a better job that is less cloud-centric. So, while he's right about the tech advancements and the cloud becoming the new thing, there are companies here in Jamaica still running Server 2012 on old hunker junker servers and when they put out their job postings, CCNA is bound to be among the requirements.

[@andrewbunch8973]

I didn't get it for a job I got it to sure up my networking knowledge byt I can also tell you it's hard as he'll to find someone who is ccna certified to support infrastructure now days.

[@UnixGuy]

it sure is! Check this roadmap out, it will improve your chances of landing a role: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHepfpumeLF9n5I

[@Salee1204]

You made me sad, becouse you are have a point. Well, i wasted few months studying CCNA. I have Security+, and I am not sure what do so next. wanted to go ccna>aws sysops route, but now I think i should skip ccna.. Well at least I got the knowledge from studying.

[@UnixGuy]

Hey Salee, please don’t be sad! You now have a more balanced view of things and you can adjust your expectations. If you finished studying CCNA or about to finish, I say go ahead and do the exam and finish it off then you can go ahead and continue with your plans to pursue AWS. If you’ve just started with CCNA then you can go ahead and just start AWS following this plan: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHjZmH2Bqd6ardE

[@Salee1204]

@@UnixGuy thank you! I am 70% done with ccna, and I am 100% done with aws cloud practitioner. I will do the exam on Monday (aws practitioner). After that I wanted to go ccna>sysops> cloud security. I also work on tryhackme and letsdefend platforms. I have a full time job in oil refinery so I scrape every available minute for learning. You saved me alot of time for saying what should have been obvious to me. ccna is not what I remember it long time ago. It is fun learning for ccna, but I can't afford wasting time I cant wait to work in IT again! Sorry for bad English, it's not my mother language. And thank you again! You spent your time helping anonymous people on internet, you are awesome guy.

[@UnixGuy]

@@Salee1204 You are on a great path then! the time you spent studying CCNA is not lost as you can carry the knowledge with you! Put all your time and effort in those cloud certs and life hopefully will change for the better. PS; Your English is great my friend!

[@Salee1204]

@@UnixGuy One question, I saw your other video.. Should I go for Aws SAA or aws SysOps? Sysops looks like more fun, hands on. I wanted to skip SAA to save time, but will do that first if you recommend that.

[@UnixGuy]

@@Salee1204 in the grand scheme of things, it won’t matter too much. Think of the certs as means to learn a skill rather than a piece of paper, so choose what you believe will give you the most hands-on skills

[@mhmadamin9766]

Thank you for helping us❤ . But what do you think about ccna cyber ops

[@UnixGuy]

You are welcome mate, glad I could help 🙏🏻

[@m.d.1862]

Interresting vieuw on the exam. For me it helped me to switch carreers. I was doing sound and wanted to get into network engineering becuase it looked challenging. After 5 months i got my ccna and got a job short after. I agree with you that the job didnt require the specific exam, but i got the job mostly because they saw i had the motivation and drive to learn something myself without someone forcing me to do it. So yes maybe you are right and the exam is a bit outdated, but i learned the basics of networking and it help me change my path so i dont agree with you that it is not valuable. Working on azure as we speak :)

[@UnixGuy]

Congrats on the career change and I’m glad it helped you to change jobs. My point is there are other certs thst can do the same and more efficiently but since you already managed to switch careers then it doesn’t matter to you, very happy for you! Good luck with Azure 👏🏻

[@m.d.1862]

@@UnixGuy I understand what you are saying. Like most people, CCNA is the first exam you stumble upon if you google or youtube the network essentials and fundamentals. So what do you do.. GET IT!! Maybe it was a bit ''waist'' of time (i dont think it is because learning something new is always a +) but i do understand that there are more effiecent paths to take. Nontheless, i enjoyed learning CCNA because it was something new and challenging. And after azure i will definately take the AWS road you advised in another video!

[@UnixGuy]

@@m.d.1862 yeah those are fair points, as long as you got to your goal, it doesn’t matter, it’s the beginning of your journey and you will do more exciting stuff down the road :)

[@m.d.1862]

@@UnixGuy Cheers! 🍻

[@user-sg1ir8xh3d]

I passed my network+ but my company uses cisco gear. Im strong on fundamentals. what beginner areas of ccna should I focus on that will allow me as help desk to gain more opportunities on the job? troubleshooting, configurations, etc.

[@UnixGuy]

no idea

[@Yeetyboiz]

Hi UnixGuy! I have recently got my degree in information security & assurance but have yet to get any certification or experience. What is the recommended next step you think I should take? Thanks

[@UnixGuy]

your first goal is to get your first job and it’s a challenge, make sure you polish that CV and apply to as many roles as possible. I have many videos that help with individual topics, but this should be a start: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYHQh6OehNaGfbs

[@VizualeyezProductns]

I started researching how to get into IT a few months ago. It's been overwhelming figuring out the different roles even though I have level 99 personal computer skills. I watched a ton of videos and kept hearing that Cybersecurity and Cloud were the future. But then a lot of people kept saying, get the triage of certs: A+, Network+, Sec+. After some more research, I heard, skip all that. Just go for CCNA! For two weeks now I came to the conclusion that I needed CCNA for entry level. And today my mind is blown again. This video help me realize that I should just go straight to Cloud or Cybersecurity. I am going to use Microsoft Learn and jump into the learning Cloud Administration. They have a bunch of free classes it seems.

[@UnixGuy]

Good luck Vivi, and if you find that some concepts are challenging you should easily be able to look up the concepts and understand them, this will teach you problem solving and get you in the habit of knowing how research things - good luck!

[@VizualeyezProductns]

@@UnixGuy Thank you for personally responding and giving me solid advice that I will run with. The noise on social media is too varied. And I'm left with more questions. Everything you said made sense . Your video gave me the direction I needed. I look forward to your insight and mentorship through your YT videos. They're honest and real! (Subscribed)

[@UnixGuy]

@@VizualeyezProductns thanks mate, glad I’m able to help :)

[@053_eshan9]

​@@VizualeyezProductnswhat did you do mate? Could you please share your roadmap?

[@_domdge_687]

Im a 3rd yr college student taking Data Networking and this video really gives me vision on my career. Thank you, sir!

[@UnixGuy]

Good luck :) glad it helps

[@MegaGrinbull]

I became a subscriber in 4 minutes. I like your logic.

[@UnixGuy]

thanks mate, appreciate your kind words

[@lionelkanyowa]

You channel is so amazing! Thank you, I have subscribed. You're very straight to the point and offer practical advice.

[@UnixGuy]

Thanks mate, appreciate your kind words

[@samsameol2941]

Hi sir, I have seen one of your videos about becoming an ethical hacker and started doing the google cybersecurity course (thank you for that , had the fortunate to learn a lot through it.. still learning) but my networking knowledge is 0 and that has always lowered my confidence so what would would you suggest? should I keep following the roadmap or would you recommend me to study any networking course ( please do recommend one if that is the case). thank you so much for your content sir, it has not only helped me learn but I have been able to fight my fear and clear a lot of misconceptions about the field as well.

[@UnixGuy]

you haven’t even finished the google cert yet, wait until you finish it! then continue the ethical hacker roadmap as it is, I’ve put a networking course recommendation there..

[@dzonibrt]

Great and concise video I wish to ask you about knowledge required for an entry level job position? I have a Cisco CCT ,Comptia ITF+ and Palo Alto Networks Cybersecurity entry level technician certifications,but problem is in my country they prefer experience or degree for some reason,it is not easy for someone that doesn't have working a great knowledge base to land the first job

[@UnixGuy]

It really varies depending on the position. By virtue of the role being ‘entry level’ they shouldn’t expect more than what you already have. The rest depends on how many opportunities available in your city, how well you interview, your CV, your interpersonal skills, etc. I explain the process further in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYHQh6OehNaGfbs

[@P.L.U.S.]

Cisco just released new entry-level certs and they just obliterated the cct(the old ones) maybe you can do a review for that 👌

[@UnixGuy]

I could, but again, why? there are plenty of solid in demand certification provider, I see no reason why anyone need to cling to Cisco. It’s a choice, each to their own.

[@Reason_over_Dogma]

I don't have an issue with most of your points. I don't think certifications are the end all be all. I currently work with a former senior network engineer who has zero certs but I do question what is a good school? What is a bad school and what is the metric so we can see these numbers? Imo, these are subjective terms that aren't backed by tangible numbers. In the US at least there are not a lot of colleges or universities known for their networking programs. I never had anyone take notice of my degree but they have with the CCNA. It's enough for them to show I have an interest in networking, not that I know everything. I have no plans to do cyber security so I'm probably not the intended target demographic for your video. I don't think you're necessarily wrong either. The market is moving towards cloud but I just question some of the points of your argument. There's going to be something that employers are going to be looking for other than a degree whether it's a cloud cert, tangible experience or otherwise. Just my opinion.

[@UnixGuy]

hey mate, thanks for your comment, you do raise very valid points. The market has changed dramatically, and you are right many jobs do not care for degrees but I elaborated in another video that some companies will never hire someone without a degree but that's a different conversation. There are many great degrees in the US, so many! The best universities in the world happen to be in the US (Carnegie Mellon, Virginia Tech, UC berkely, Purdue, Stanford, etc etc...) and there is on campus hire, I know FAANG and many fortune 100 companies hire graduates on campus so good degrees definitely exist both for undergrad and postgrad. I agree, employers do look for more than a degree which is what I explain in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYHQh6OehNaGfbs ( explain my thoughts regarding degrees vs certs vs experience). My channel is geared to help people navigate a career change to cyber security however im making more and more videos for cloud as it's a path that I recommend, this is a video for cloud: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHjZmH2Bqd6ardE

[@Reason_over_Dogma]

@@UnixGuy let's go with your universities being the best. How many students are there in America? How many can get in? What about people that are career changers and can not afford loans? In the us, most people go to community colleges. This is a fact. In fact the govt has given community colleges the biggest relief because most people start at community colleges. New grad programs do exist but you're not arguing for exceptions. You're arguing for the marketplace. A lot of people are not going to get into these select colleges. If they have no experience there must be some what to verify they have some knowledge. Standardized. I think CCNA is still a good cert. I benefitted from it and in early in my career. I think there's a reason why you have early career comments of people saying the CCNA is worth it we'll because it's benefited them. Have something surpass the CCNA? Sure. Is it a waste of time for cyber security professionals? Maybe. My colleague is skipping it and going for oscp. Is it a waste of time? Well it depends on what someone is going for. It's too much of a blanket statement to say. Like I said I received a 90k offer. I've been told in interviews(where I was rejected) the only reason I received a phone call is because I have a CCNA. I received this 90k offer based on something similar to you. This contractor is a Cisco partner and wanted people certified. I was denied several times before I was placed on a short list and ultimately got the job. Just my two cents. Thanks for the discussion.

[@UnixGuy]

@@Reason_over_Dogma mate I think now you’re debating degrees vs certs which is not what I advocated for in this video. Yes I agree with yoir points that certs are ideal for career changers which is what I recommend in my other video - I just happened to to recommend DIFFERENT certifications. I have no doubts CCNA helped you early on your career but times have changed and there are better certifications out there

[@Reason_over_Dogma]

@@UnixGuy sorry looking at it, I did conflate the two topics together. no worries. You do have valid points.

[@UnixGuy]

@@Reason_over_Dogma thanks for your input mate, you are a deep thinker and you think about this stuff a lot which is what I do too :)

[@kite2surf]

After watching this i think doing the new Cisco CCST Networking might be a good alternative to CCNA, its a Networking fundamentals exam and only cost $125.

[@UnixGuy]

yep why not, or skip it and just learn the fundamnetals of networking for free online / up to you

[@kite2surf]

@@UnixGuy sadly i live in a country where having a certificate is the only way to get past HR, so have no choice have to have something.

[@UnixGuy]

@@kite2surf goood luck my friend

[@sandeepsamal441]

I have 1 year experience as network engineer, i did CCNA, now i am doing ccnp, what should i do for a good feuture??

[@UnixGuy]

Do what you’re interested in. I’d at least consider doing some cloud certifications just to expand your knowledge

[@sandeepsamal441]

@@UnixGuy i want to be a good network engineer, ccna, ccnp , firewall

[@sandeepsamal441]

@@UnixGuy but after you told there are no feuture in network engineer, now i am am confused.

[@sandeepsamal441]

@@UnixGuy kindly guide me......

[@UnixGuy]

@@sandeepsamal441 I’m not sure what you’re asking? you want to be a network so keep doing networking certs

[@bmw320540750]

That's true I agree with you

[@UnixGuy]

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[@dad5410]

Hey @unixguy is it true I have to go into a help desk role in IT before I go into a specialized role like cyber security or cloud engineering? I Keep seeing that being said among other youtubers and the reason for this is “experience”. Disclosure I have no experience in IT whatsoever but I’m almost done with my CC isc2 certificate.

[@UnixGuy]

hey mate, this USED to be true 10-20 years ago but now things have changed. You CAN go to helpdesk first but you can also start your first job in cyber or cloud, I hired many people who didn’t have IT/helpdesk experience straight into cyber roles Follow this roadmap if you want to make a start: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5jCo6ifqKmIjsU

[@dad5410]

@@UnixGuy thanks for the info. I think you’re one of the best youtubers for quality career advice, everyone else is saying to do a bunch of networking, Linux, and coding certs before even touching cyber security. Idk if they are getting paid by these certification companies to tell people that but it certainly is very strange.

[@UnixGuy]

@@dad5410 I think they’re telling you what they’ve done themselves or they’re echoing what they heard before. I went through this path myself and it was required in the past but things have changed and there is no readon why people should go through the pain (and time waste) that I went through

[@xitdead4407]

now i am so confused i was thinling to take the ccna exam at 25th and pick up my career from there cuz i need a job and the monye so i thought i will take the ccna then find a job the nstart ganing skills and bulid a creer from there going advance at it like taking ccnp next or getting any other certfication to strenthen my cv now i am second gussing myself should i cancel the exam and start from somehere else ?

[@UnixGuy]

If you already studied (which I assumed you have since the exam is on 25th) then please keep studying and get the exam done / it won’t hurt you. Get it over with, take the learning and move on

[@user-tn3zr3qx2q]

I had a look, but it seems like there are more network engineers than cyber security engineers. Maybe that is just my location, but still interesting.

[@UnixGuy]

ok good, then do ccna and follow a network engineer career if thats the case :)

[@ayindeperouza7703]

Hi @UnixGuy do you thing that the CompTIA Cloud+ is a good could certifications or should i focus on Aruze or AWS. Thanks for feedback

[@UnixGuy]

definitely focus on Azure and AWS and NOT cloud+

[@ayindeperouza7703]

@@UnixGuy Thanks for the feedback

[@claudian8003]

I have Cloud+ and AWS. Many companies care more about AWS & Azure. I got all mine for free so it worked out. I also have my CCNA.

[@robsarmiento2172]

You saved me the need to pay for that course... I took the IT SUPPORT SPECIALIST course from coursera and I think it was a way better choice for the price and content...so Thank you very much!

[@UnixGuy]

Glad I was able to help Rob, good luck :)

[@bunnyslayer14]

theres no way you landed a job from a coursera course alone, no way in hell. that doesnt even come close to comparing to ccna or any of the comptia certs. miles away. a 10 year old can get coursera certs, all you have to do is click "next"

[@dukesmith785]

I agree with almost everything you mentioned but you are the not the one giving people jobs and those who are doing, want CCNA so do the math

[@UnixGuy]

I actually do hiring quite frequently and this is my reading of the market. As I said, repeatedly, this doesn’t mean there are zero networking jobs. If after watching the video someone still wants the CCNA I think they should just do it, each to their own.

[@mmafaz1968]

Good advice, I will try security instead of ccna.

[@UnixGuy]

Good luck!

[@dineshkhatri3859]

I dont agree completely.I think certification is not important but the basic knowledge of networking comes from ccna and for this you can do ccna

[@UnixGuy]

Fair point, but I’ve already addressed you point in the video. Thinking that basic networking knowledge is exclusive to CCNA is both false and doesn’t reflect the reality of the market where most people don’t have it and dont need it

[@S........M]

What do you think about CCNA when applying for a position related to SD-WAN? I think CCNA + BGP knowledge + OSPF knowledge + SD-WAN certifications is a good road map.

[@UnixGuy]

yes it is good for people who want to be network engineers

[@FaLkraydz]

You answered my question, I took my Net+ and I'm studying for Sec+ already because I don't think I need to have the CCNA before cybersecurity. Thanks for making it even clearer to be. Got a new subscriber.

[@UnixGuy]

Good luck mate and keep posted with your progress, exciting times ahead!

[@FaLkraydz]

@@UnixGuy I passed the Security+ late December, and I did great couple interviews for a local company here where I live to work with Incident Response. Now I'm just waiting on their answer which I was told it will happen next week. I'm pretty confident but I'm not putting my heart on it because I know how the job market works. It's perfectly normal to be rejected and honestly I'm already happy with the experiences I got from those 2 interviews. I only applied for a few positions, updated my resume and information on employment websites, and got several calls back. My goal is to be a Pentester, but If I get this position, I'm strongly thinking about taking the CySA+ before start taking the Pentest certs like eJPTv2, PNPT and OSCP (yes, I'll take all 3 when the time comes). The reason behind it is that since I'll be in Blue Team, I want to become a solid blue team candidate before switching roles so that I have a stronger resume, which will give me a sort of "employment security", and I believe the CySA+ will do for me as opposed to try to jump straight to Pentest when I don't even have a solid foundation behind me. Adding my Net+ & Sec+ certs with the CySA+ (that I'll take) and about 2 years of Blue Team experience (or even a little less), and being top 3% on THM moving towards top 2%, that will definitely put me in the market as a strong candidate I believe. But even if it doesn't happen, that's totally fine; all I have to do is go back to my original plan which wasn't bad at all. I'd like to know your opinion about it (if you want to give). Do you think it's fine, or this conservative way of thinking is too paranoid and there's no problem on trying to move to Red Team without having a higher Blue Team cert? 😅

[@UnixGuy]

@@FaLkraydz up to you, you can do it that way or you can just straight to red teaming , no need to have prior blue team experience

[@FaLkraydz]

@@UnixGuy great! Thank you.

[@UnixGuy]

@@FaLkraydz 🙏🏻

[@adarshkumar1489]

Hello sir I have complete my degree in BCA. Now i am not going for master degree mca. I am going for CCIE . Join institute in banglore it is good or not please reply.

[@UnixGuy]

I have no idea if the institute you want to join in Bangelore is good or not, but CCIE is not an entry level beginner certificate, so something doesn't sound right

[@voutlook]

Definitely going to watch cyber security video

[@UnixGuy]

Look at my latest two videos for a quick start

[@LeoNux-um7tg]

I finished Cisco free for all basic in networking, and after trying CCNA I feel like I just reviewed most of the stuff I learned from their free course, except the subnetting and cicsco devices configuration.

[@UnixGuy]

then you got everything you need :)