The Future of Destiny & Bungie's Disaster ft. Byf

[@unknownplayer03]

What would you rate Final Shape out of 10? 🤔

[@DarylWestfall]

6

[@tristangarvey1103]

What’s the final shape ? End d2 dlc?

[@slackstarfish8133]

6

[@EternalSpinx]

6 the ending was so meh to me

[@jesseritchie9282]

6.5 for video games in general. For Destiny it's a solid 10/10.

[@crazytalk8120]

The idea Bungie would not have D3 on a burner at all is wild. And Pete deflecting with "Too many projects" is absolute bullshit. As the CEO, he is SOLELY responsible for signing off on those. Sony needs to give ol' Pete the crispy boot.

[@ShadowDreamer100]

I believe it. They were using Destiny as it's ONLY revenue stream, and used it to fund everything else. They took WAY too many risks greenlighting projects that never saw return on investments, unlike Riot for example, who at least puts games into LoL itself with new modes every so often. D1 and 2 barely broke even out of the gate and collapsed but both games eventually climbed back out and up. They can't afford to do that while shelving major development on D2, because then they'd be forced to only stick with the newer game even if it was dead, and the studio would be dissolved. They very much should have gone the opposite way, using smaller projects to release new products and try to supplement D2's income. The only reason I think Pete isn't stepping down RIGHT NOW may be because there isn't anyone that could be a good replacement without an external hire, and the studio does have a very specific workplace culture that will need to be matched well with any incoming replacement.

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

Unfortunately Pete Parsons owns the tyger engine. The game engine that Bungie uses.

[@ShaBoop11]

@@LifeCompanionDogs8083 They need to ditch that shitty engine

[@mriguy7989]

Just goes to show you that Bungie was taking the easy way out and just coasting off of D2's success and milking it for all it was worth.

[@crazytalk8120]

@@LifeCompanionDogs8083 Well, shit.

[@ZeeSips]

The biggest red flag was how much worse the monetization became right after Bungie left Activision. The Bungie management was more greedy than Activision ffs. :)

[@VGBrothers]

And we as fans were justifying the initial bump in cosmetic monetization as "Bungie is by themselves now, not getting funding and support from a company that's overseeing them" but then it never ceased and instead got more egregious and more confusing to navigate as time went on. Ironically, I'd like to believe Witch Queen's release with the new Dungeon Pass separate from the expansion or the seasons is what tipped players off the most to the executive greed happening at the studio. I can't remember if that's the same point as the paid event cards coming out for the seasonal events, but that was certainly another red flag that's been pointed out over the years. It's always sad to see corporate greed dismantling and dissolving otherwise great games, companies, and studios

[@kylemccormack1785]

@VGBrothers If you find the store difficult to navigate you might be a crayon muncher

[@AJG7304]

Bungie not creating single player experiences anymore is one of the BIGGEST losses in gaming.

[@Aulakauss]

I've been dreaming of a single player or co-op Dark Age RPG in Destiny's universe forever. It'll never happen but god wouldn't it be brilliant?

[@Slitheringpeanut]

@@Aulakauss Only if they don't ditch it when it's 90% done and then remake a new game in 6 months. You know like they did with D1 and 2.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

Bro you’re just subscribed to Destiny ppl

[@animexliriousz1879]

​@Aulakauss Yeah, I think games should all be Single-Player with a Co-op Feature, and then have some online stuff.

[@MakeGamingGreatAgainMGGA]

Byf blaming Sony is hilarious, if Sony didn't intervene budgie was going under, it's been stated publicly recently

[@jamaledwards8118]

Because Sony over paid Bungie. Sony believed in the last CEO or what ever saying live service is the way and that's why Sony been targeting live service platforms. However it is Pete Parsons fault for not putting on Bungie but instead it's marathon and other projects. Pete Parsons didn't manage the money well at all and now they're loosing more than they could put out. If marathon was out and a solid game with solid numbers then yeah Bungie would be great however it's not and here we are.

[@fornavnefternavn208]

yep they have been running in the RED for some time if not a long time and like was said:" The alternate timeline if not bought by Sony is INSOLVENCY"

[@oz5150]

Only people to blame is Bungie and their CEO. The devs did everything they could to make a good product. But Bungie management squandered the money they generated to spin up other projects. Yuck Pete Parson needs to go.

[@soraxstacy1477]

​@oz5150 This but with the recent investigations, it's also on the Devs too now. Upper management wanted to make 3 games using D2's profits! Most Devs on Bungie are woke, and by that i mean they consisted of activist, that included Pete Parsons who was known to march with feminist and BLM. He is put on a pedestal because of just how "progressive" he is. They went along with what upper management wanted because they shared the same political idealist.

[@coldogno7]

blaming bungie is not an option he would lose all the special perks

[@regular-user]

I will never get used to seeing how Byf looks like and how his voice sounds like. It's like Thor from Pirates.

[@Screeno1993]

Yeah i expected him to look like a wizened old man with many wrinkles, but he doesn't look a day over 12 years old. I wish i kept my hairline like he has lmao

[@KStarStrikez18]

Strange to see Byf - lore master himself, placing the Traveler and the Winnower in the same category. Please someone correct me, but wouldn’t the Traveler and the Veil be closer? I see the actual Gardener be separate to the Traveler, much like the Winnower is to the Veil, much like the Witness is to darkness, what Guardians are to Light.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

It’s probably because he isn’t as much as a lore master as people think he is. He can often make shit up because it feels right to him.

[@adarkwind4712]

I remember the high points with Luke Smith. I also remember "we're discussing sunsetting supers." Let's not forget that and the fallout of it.

[@messiahnyx971]

Again I do not understand vaulting of content when games like ffxiv still have all of their content

[@xpyrotics]

Destiny's spaghetti code can't handle everything, plus it's almost 200gb on console so might as well buy a new car with that extra storage

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

It's because their code is so trash and their game engine is so specific it takes up a lot of space. Instead of investing in dedicated servers they just rented servers from Nevada. Had to cut costs. Remember when vaulting happened the year after they left Activision.

[@juneskywalker5847]

& Elder Scrolls Online. Its sad to see how dry Bungie is meanwhile leaching money for nothing.

[@mriguy7989]

It's because Bungie insists on continuing to use their old, outdated, busted, spaghetti code game engine. They should have switched to a new engine years ago, but like everything that's been done with this franchise, they chose to go with the option that required the minimum amount of effort for the maximum amount of profit.

[@Ursoc91]

@@xpyrotics Final fantasy xiv ran on ps3 until last expansion, and still runs on previous gen, that's not an excuse. the file size is negligible.

[@LateNightHalo]

Something also to think about which is rather grim is one of the major reasons Activision released Bungie from their contract is their internal projections showed Destiny declining in popularity and reach rather than growing and that currently lines up with what we know about how expansions have been underselling year over year. We are sorta reaching the point Activision predicted which is diminishing returns and no real growth

[@JPOG7TV]

It makes total sense given that while Destiny and 2 were very successful at launch, it immediately showed steep decline and couldn’t recover from that. Although Activsion often makes their targets so high, that even if a COD game makes 500 million in one week is considered disappointing, they still gave bungie a lot of resources that needed to be compensated for. This franchise doesn’t have the universal appeal or accessibility to make it sustainable.

[@urazz7739]

That and they probably also saw how Bungie leadership was bad at spending so even if Destiny remained a solid money maker, they would end up spending too much regardless.

[@DioStandProud]

I personally blame D2 at launch for the crushing of the momentum

[@rad21701]

shoutout late night gaming W creator

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@rad21701L Creator, he’s a troll who exploits negative sentiments lol

[@MandoPrime1138]

I’ve been having a really hard time sticking with Destiny lately. As much as I like the world, the gameplay loop has become far too monotonous for me and the constant struggles behind the scenes with management has drained me. Despite all of that, I feel obligated to continue playing because I’ve already sunk too much money and time into it and I want to support whatever teams are left because I like what they do and they’ve inspired me. It’s almost like a weird case of Stockholm syndrome and I don’t know if anyone else is in the sane boat

[@WHlSKYtx]

You’re just mentally ill it’s not the game bro

[@Marc-pu1wm]

I finally let go and I actually truthfully feel good about it ever since I did, which admittedly was before the layoffs and originally had nothing to do with it. Although that stuff reinforced my position of not coming back and only made my decision feel even more validated. I know exactly what you mean about the sunk cost fallacy. Then there's the FOMO, the addiction even when people don't want to admit it, content creators have their livelihoods tied to one game, etc.; but I'm not buying this thing about supporting what teams are left anymore as I feel like that's just an excuse to justify someone sticking around even after all this happened. Sure, I got my ending with Final Shape and that makes it easier to let go as selfish as that was. I just can't support this anymore. How many times are we going to do this? That old saying about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. At this point if people actually want change then they need to be part of the change, and that includes devs going on strike. If the devs continue to make a product that the execs can sell and people buy it then that only sends the message that Bungie can sunset half the game, fire half the employees over and over again, and raises prices year after year and people will still pay. Bungie doesn't want their current player base, they said themselves that the player base is skewed too old and they want younger players which means the game is full of hopelessly addicted people who have stuck with it for years and Bungie now realizes they can do less than the bare minimum and those players will still pay while they try to make other games to attract that young audience they're seeking. All that investment into the psychology of keeping players hooked seems to have paid off enough, at least for the execs. Luckily, I have some experience with kicking addiction and I can't recommend people giving it an earnest shot enough. I'm just not buying this pretend virtue signaling to strangers online for validation to feel better about playing a game they're hooked on when this keeps happening and we all know it's only a matter of time before it happens again. If people really care then they will let it go and send the message that we won't stand for this.

[@TKAandMore]

I quit around September of last year. It was mostly due to burnout (I'd been playing Destiny at least weekly since TTK), but the first round of layoffs was also a pretty strong nudge. I didn't play again until a week after TFS dropped, and I've been enjoying the game a lot more. Skipping a season and a half kind of broke me through the FOMO barrier; I'd now "missed out," and realized there wasn't really anything to fear about it. Take some time for yourself. Play a different game, or watch a TV show, or do a hobby you enjoy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a Destiny detox. Maybe you'll come back, or maybe you'll find something in that time that fulfills you more than Destiny currently can. You're under no obligation to stay, even if it may really feel like you are sometimes.

[@sakran2975]

What did Marty O'donald do? The music for Destiny 1 was so incredible. It made the whole game mysterious and interesting. He made the best Destiny music.

[@cellyyymo]

Facts

[@MeDsCP]

They don’t line him because he’s a right wing politician now so he’s immediately labeled as the devil.

[@Wangdoodle444]

@@MeDsCP, lol so, did the composer tell you that? Nope. I’m loving all of the hubristic lunacy in the comments. Keep it up👌

[@JPOG7TV]

He violated his original lawsuit. Made us think he was some victim but now we are wondering what actually went down.

[@MartyMacFry]

It's politics. That's it. Marty leans right so he is a bad person to these people. At least Byf made this clear so we can chose to stop supporting him.

[@AJG7304]

If D1 was 60 fps, i would whole heartedly be content playing it forever. its been a good run.

[@rednekzombie2988]

tbh i'd just want a destiny 1 port to pc. I'd play that over 2.

[@AJG7304]

@@rednekzombie2988 We can only hope/Dream xD that would be amazing to have a PC port of it.

[@GhostRydr1172]

Personally, I’ve been very at odds with the game since the whole sunsetting and DCV debacle. Bungie spinned things as they did and some content creators even went as far along as justifying the technical reasons and that other MMOs have done it blah, blah, blah. But, ultimately, it’s not a good look to take away content people have paid for and cannot replay ever again. Yes, even if we Red War vets many never play said old content ever again, why can’t new players? Why must they suffer the godawful New Light experience instead of starting their D2 journey as many of us did. Especially if there’s still bits of Y1 and Y2 content still peppering the game, narrative sense be damned. And sunsetting and the ever-limited size of our vaults made loot chase irrelevant to me since then. I busted my ass getting a then god-tier weapon? Irrelevant. Not only we did Bungie nerf it to the ground for the sake of power creep, they also made it as to being unable to be carried forward for future content. And to add insult to injury, they made new versions of some of those weapons with Into The light, they also reverted said sunsetting with FS, making the deletion of some favorite weapons years ago even more painful, regardless of how good or bad they’d be in 2024. That is the sentiment I’ve seen online from lapsed players that scampered off Destiny years ago. That is part of the reason as to why I can’t in good conscience recommend the game to a new player now. Especially with such asinine monetization to access content in an incomplete game. Whereas, say, as with Warframe - like it or not - you have a clear, lengthy career path, with old content coexisting with the new, and an absurd level of customization and buildcrafting that -if you play your cards right - won’t cost you a single cent to do experience.

[@Levord1980]

7:30 If Byf thinks that Marty O’Donell was a “Welcomed Drpartute” I truly question his judgment as far as pure talent is concerned.🤣

[@manueljuarez5045]

Same bro, letting his political bias come thru lol

[@84m30]

The Marty discourse is fascinating to me. People are so blinded by their vague partisan political bs that they either are blind to someone’s flaws or ignore their worth. For byf it seems that his opposition to politics on the other side of the planet that have zero effect on him and that he has little to no validation to comment on the impact of, blinds him from recognizing the immense value ODonnel brought to the studio and the impact he had in the formation of Bungie’s successes. For people aligned with Marty it seems they ignore all of his Diva behavior that got all the trouble started in the first place (despite being righteous in the initial MotS publishing stuff). 2 things can be true, and the reality of who someone is and what their impact was isn’t invalidated or erased because of how you happen to feel about something,

[@GhostRydr1172]

Not defending either Marty or Byf, but I think the controversy Byf implied in his comment is the corporate issues that led to Bungie management booting Marty, not his politics (which are also on record).

[@84m30]

@@GhostRydr1172 yeah they aren’t good. People view ODonnel in black or white depending on their preference. He did a lot of drama queen stuff at Bungie that was unnecessary. Bungie screwed him over in way that we’re unnecessary. It goes both ways.

[@GhostRydr1172]

@@84m30 fully agree.

[@TheRevering]

Exactly!

[@theramenshamen9599]

i can agree on enjoying the art whilst hating the artist, but i think it's more then fair for byf or others to want distance from him considering what marty is.

[@johnd1685]

Loved to see Luke Smith leave. He was horrible. Dumbfounded that he was allowed to lead a Destiny project after flopping the beginning of D2 so badly. Also hated his snarky attitude over sunsetting.

[@SavagexRaccoon]

to be honest i jumped off the destiny 2 boat right after lightfall and im glad i did this has been such a crazy fall for bungie

[@TeethSkylark]

I enjoyed Final Shape, but I can't go back now that I've finished the campaign. I would love to raid but don't want to spare the time both learning and teaching (not out of malice, just not enough hours in the day), and the way the story will progress for the foreseeable future is just hyper extended seasons where I'm forced to grind out the same mission that's exciting maybe the first 3 times I participate. And the seasonal events are quite literally just copy-pasted from previous years without no tweaks. The best looking gear has almost all been locked behind Eververse and "microtransactions," and now shaders that should be unlockable from endgame activities are thrown in there too. Unless there's a new full expansion announced, or D3, then I just can't see myself returning to Bungie's games. And if either are announced, I need to see concrete things and massive systems changes

[@MeDsCP]

While I agree with Byf that the C-levels are the problem with Bungie, I completely disagree that the heads of department aren’t part as well. Sure, music is always good, so is art. But the COO isn’t making day to day decisions on the direction of the game. Deciding which raid or how often the story advances: that’s on the department heads. Luke Smith leaving Bungie is good, we had saw some of the worst decisions under his time there managing things.

[@lukestarford7608]

Aye. Luke Smith was always a problematic figure. From day 1 in fact where a problematic comment he made caused a community uproar to the point that he had to apologies for it. We gave the benefit of the doubt. The problem with the Destiny community is that we are the most forgetful, complacent and hypocritical community out there. In year 1, whenever Bungie tried to do anything shady, they were rightful called out for it. The community were united in this aspect and Destiny youtuber didn't have monetised benefit or programs to benefit from. If bungo did a poop on bed, we made sure they would know we saw and wouldn't stand for it. We were proactive in wanting them to improve. However, this mentality went away slow over time. At first, we grew complacent in Taken King where after people treated a decent DLC as the second coming of Christ despite it quality being the same as House of Wolves. Whenever Bungo did something or Luke Smith said something that was shady, lies or bad practice. Majority of the community just ignore it or brushed it aside. The people who did challenge because they saw through the BS were shouted down at. D2 launch into Forsaken is repeat of my previous paragraph but we some how became even more complacent into allowing Bungie to get away it, we became forgetful over the History of Bungie bad practice and instead became so delusion over the fact that we our in the "Golden Times of Destiny". People ate up Luke Smith lies. The quality of DLC never increase but instead decreased before stagnating. Frankly I wouldn't call Witch Queen a good DLC. To be blunt, the people to blame for this are KZbinr like Datto, Byf and anyone that is bound by contract to Bungie. By being contractually bound to Bungie, a lot of KZbinr and Streamer mentally change their tune because of how it work. Bungie gives these youtube a lot of benefits like visiting the studio or going to events. To allows them to release early footage which financially benefits them. These people benefits from the contract so long as they don't speak too critically. If they do, then they get a warning from Bungie before getting the contract terminated on repeated warning or too harsh criticism. Bungie would blacklist which would financial impact the KZbin. This heavily impacts the KZbinr view on things because it very Behavioural theory. KZbinr are rewarded for speaking positively about Destiny, for speaking less critically about Destiny, about Bungie and by extension the bad practices and it reinforced over time. While the negative are fear or reprimanded into them, they fear the lost of the rewards. Datto, Sweaticle, or any of the Destiny Program youtuber can't their view aren't swade by Bungie due to how reward programme with games work. Bungie smartly got the more popular KZbinr on their side and lessen their critical view through this. And due to this and how the destiny community love to regurgitate popular youtuber takes is how we got to this point. Luke Smith got off too easy, too many times and it no one but our fault.

[@crazytalk8120]

And I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if the management told the team that IF FS did well, no more layoffs, knowing damn well they were lying.

[@kaguscon]

I doubt it. That's lawsuit territory.

[@awkwardllama0509]

​@@kaguscon aka "the cost of doing business"

[@StarDust_2077]

No they wouldn’t have said that, but implied it as much as legally allowed

[@Wangdoodle444]

Love the hubris. So, do you run a business?

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

Actually management told the team. Sony is giving us 3.6 billion dollars. 1 billion is going to talent retention. When in reality it was probably funneled to the execs and Pete Parsons car collection.

[@geminitrash1]

The amount of Luke Smith glazing is insane. Fellas please check the scoreboard W: TTK L: 2 primary, sunsetting, DCV Take off them rose tinted lenses. Dude was a Kotaku journo that did 1 good thing and messed up everytime after

[@nikiajenkins9028]

The last game that made me feel the way Destiny has was playing the Gears of War line up with my brother as a kid

[@BrazarB]

Bungie & other sources: "D2 will continue & is staying" News: "D3 was never in development" *People shocked*

[@aaronmail8836]

Some people don't listen bungie have said for years they are no plans to make a Destiny 3. But people believe a Reddit post

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@aaronmail8836plus Byf personally wanted a Destiny 3, he said in his own video “As much as people want Destiny 3 to be Announced right now, we need to let them cook.” (He’s talking about himself. He stirred the Community into a frenzy with Destiny 3 Cope.

[@miksershow4094]

What is Byf issue with Marty ?

[@jerrbear5958]

That'd what I'm saying, what did he do wrong?

[@ulthanesmorkums]

​@@jerrbear5958Marty has the "wrong" political views. Byf probably doesn't know shit about US political dynamics, but he'll tow the line because that's what he's told.

[@soraxd5093]

@@ulthanesmorkums Wait so the main problem is political views for Byf against Marty ? only cause he's feelings got hurt ?

[@Lorentz_Driver]

@@ulthanesmorkums Brother he political beliefs include denying rights to marginalized groups. That is WRONG.

[@Lorentz_Driver]

@@jerrbear5958 He's a bigot.

[@CarlDamn]

My biggest issue with Destiny right now is the lack of a D3 and Pete Parsons. Until I get those Bungo isn't getting any more money or playtime from me. The future is too unserten.

[@topical6574]

Final shape alone, not adding into account layoffs etc, it was a 9/10. Only point taken away for me was the destination being solo, but that's a design choice they made, so I have to respect them trying something new.

[@johndecker3306]

Marty is a welcome departure? You’re kidding right

[@Lorentz_Driver]

Nope :) screw that bigot

[@rokkslide]

@@Lorentz_DriverBungie is like the most woke company in history, I doubt they ever had a “bIgOt” ever working there in the first place. And if they did, keep crying.

[@905JimRaynor]

Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy went along for the ride and failed. They are responsible for their own failures. They could have left years ago. They chose to stay.

[@AgentGreyFox]

Sorry Byf, but it's only Bungie's leadership to blame. Without Sony, Bungie would die.

[@4newestaccoun]

Byf has been on a tirade of bad emotions, bad takes, rude comments, now is slandering Marty when Marty stood up for what Bungie used to be back in Halo days. What is bro doing

[@soraxd5093]

Simping, that's what you get when you focusing on one game mainly.

[@DarthSpiderMario]

All I know is I really want to eventually see a Wha Happun episode on both Destiny 1 and D2 to hopefully get some clearer answers on this whole budget thing, but I fear that episode would be way too large

[@zubrhero5270]

Matt McMuscles, my boy

[@ModeKaioken]

You know marathon probably should have been destiny 3 like lets be honest destiny 3 shipping next year would have saved this company but they were so worried about making new ip..

[@Masaaki7]

Marathron is an existing IP and has been in development after Forsken came out. Lets stop acting like Marathron killed Destiny lol

[@Thepmp15]

@@Masaaki7 That's not the point. The point is Bungie should have focused on setting Destiny up in a way they can keep making consistent profit to fund alternative projects. D3 is just one step towards that goal

[@kierwest]

Bungie overextended themselves, and are in a downward spiral where they cant bring in enough revenue to offset overhead costs. The executives at Bungie were supposed to manage these projects, and oversee spending. However, it sounds like each executive overplayed their project's progress and viability. In the end, none of it matters. Bungie neglected their cash cash to fund dreams.

[@peerole2010]

At this point you can forget to bring new players to Destiny. Its a 7 yrs old game. It might attract some new players but definately not a lot. To get new players to join you need a new game like Destiny 3.

[@1mThe0n3]

If marathon flops I see a hostile takeover from Sony and the witness wins

[@slackstarfish8133]

Bungie’s situation is entirely their own fault, not Sonys. Even when Bungie was with Activision, people didn’t realize that Bungie was the problem the whole time until after they went independent, raised the prices for everything, and start making wayyy worse dlcs. You gotta be shitty asf as a studio to make Activision look good

[@elchancho8432]

Sony needs to take over IMO I think Sony will at least push D3

[@JPOG7TV]

@@slackstarfish8133I still think that activision would have still been a problem. That’s two companies with greedy leadership. Just that one got too ahead of itself

[@xpyrotics]

The witness was doing us a favor to save Destiny 2 with the final shape but then some guardians had to kill him now we all sad that D3 never existed. I would of been fine calcified in my fav pose on the shores of venus, sipping tea while on my throne, glorified by all my loot over the past 10 years but noooo...this is what I get for helping zavala at his homestead while he literally does nothing but stand by his sons grave who let's be honest, died stupidly cuz dad told him to stay home but he's a kid who thought he was the son of rambo and causes zavala, who breaks character the moment you hear his voice, question things we already been thru over a year prior. It's like the witness had Zavala's number and hit him up saying that he knew what he did last summer...crazy how we could of avoided this. 🤦‍♂️

[@God-of-all-monsters]

Sony is already taking over lol

[@poppingdolphins278]

The most disheartening thing about this is, I don’t think you can even do Destiny 3 without Luke & Mark. People fail to realize how big of a part they played in the creation of the best parts of D2

[@oloseldarion7117]

Sony not interfering sooner is why this is happening. Sony should have gutted Bungo as soon as they bought them. When you are the company that has hopped from MSoft to ActiBlizz to Indie to Sony and fucked up at every turn, those publishers aren’t the problem.

[@Blackronin357]

The final shape was a 10/10 for any on boarded players who don't hate things to be edgy.

[@elivaughn4763]

I wish we were talking about Destiny 3 coming out next year instead of Marathon

[@MartyMacFry]

The only thing Marty did that was "wrong" was release the music he worked on to youtube which got him in legal trouble. It's sad to see Byf is another one of these creators who puts politics in front of everything which is what really bothers him.

[@DioStandProud]

Yeah you shouldn't respect the guy actively promoting Project 2025, the most anti woman's bodily autonomy regime in modern American history, yeah he's kind of a scumbag. No debate.

[@ulthanesmorkums]

He a hack just like the rest. Never trust leftists.

[@jasonkeely7269]

They need to cut their losses with Marathon and if it's using the Tiger engine they should roll it into D2. Every PVP game that isn't COD, BR, or F2P bombs dramatically. Make Gambit an extraction mode, they already have the audience.

[@cyberware5323]

Imagine they pumped the 345 million dollar from those projects into destiny 2 instead.

[@mriguy7989]

Or better yet, a Destiny 3.

[@martingonzalez3629]

The more i hear about what Riot is doing the more i think that Bungie was trying to follow in their footsteps. Riot has like 20 incubation projects, and they have that whole division of making music, and film/tv series. I think Bungie totally forgot that Riot has an infinite money machine in Tencent. So they started burning through crazy amounts of Sony money to no avail.

[@Lethal_Venom]

Riot also has multiple games pulling income to fund other projects. Bungie has : Destiny 2. Which cant even support itself

[@cynthiahembree3957]

@@Lethal_Venom Not to mention we have zero information on most of those. I think we have decent information on 3 of them(I'm not counting 2XKO as it has an official name now). Also yeah it makes no sense for bungie to do this

[@JPOG7TV]

And even Riot had layoffs and shut downs within the company. So even a big corporation like them is struggling.

[@flamingwayz7964]

This whole Bungie fiasco is honestly so disappointing. I'm disappointed in the studio, and disappointed that Destiny is seemingly going on life support, despite its high potential profitability as a franchise. I can confidently say, even with 0 years of experience as a corporate executive, that I could've done a better job over the past few years than Pete Parsons.

[@royden-y4h]

years ago i wouldve been devastated at the Bungie news but as a single player who just cannot commit to 3 hour raids....my interest and joy in playing Destiny 2 has been dead for a while now. It's such a shame because at one point i would've said it was my favourite ever game. Now it's been deleted off my Playstation

[@RTGallows]

How is Destiny getting bloated when games like WoW or FFXIV have been adding monstrous amounts of content year over year for 15-20 years without vaulting anything?

[@soraxd5093]

Because people with no imagination and no talent getting hired simple

[@Requiem_2803]

Destiny has higher resoulution graphics, meaning in models, textures etc there's a bigger storage cost. Additionally, Destiny has more cutscenes, voice lines, animations n what not. That also is gonna bloat files. However the biggest factor is the engine. The WoW Engine was likely built under the idea that expansions would happen for years. Destiny 1's engine was built to last 2-3 years. The engine was then upgraded for Destiny 2 which was meant to last another 2-3 years. At this point, to get the engine to a point where it can handle all of the files, systems and graphics, it would need an overhaul big enough that you'd might aswell make a new game. (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about anything I have like only 10 hours on WoW)

[@spakentruth]

Calling it rn, marathon is about to put bungie into section 11.

[@YoStabbaStabba]

why would Marty O’Donnell be a welcome departure? Because his politics don't align with yours?

[@TheRevering]

Yep..... sad to these people attacking a good dude.

[@Aerith117]

​@@TheReveringHe violated a lawsuit and lied about it for years playing victim, idk about "good dude"

[@seanmcwhorter8119]

Violated a lawsuit. Lied to bungie fans about being a victim. And crazy right wingers are lizard people. Fuck his politics. 😂😂😂

[@theramenshamen9599]

@@TheRevering good dude? mate ive yet to meet many right wingers, but particulalry "good" people that could be described as turmp supporters. like sure his compositions are amazing, he is extremely talented as an artist, but that does not make someone "good" (im assuming you mean morally here)

[@TheRevering]

@@theramenshamen9599 Ahhh yes, over half the country is not "good" Listen to yourself man.... Seriously! People have become ravenous and shameful.

[@NNater1990]

Wait, why don’t we like Marty O’donnel again?

[@Sub2Cider]

he supports project 2025, a plan by trump if elected would attack LGBT people and deport anyone who wasn't white

[@DioStandProud]

Right wing grifter

[@TheRevering]

Anyone who isn't in favor of the trans agenda is of the devil. "Right wing demon" for being middle of the road just 5 years ago.

[@Lorentz_Driver]

He's a bigot.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

He’s an ass who supports authoritarianism

[@SeigaGen]

I started TFS a month after the release due to being on vacation. I started playing it and was enjoying it thoroughly. The story for TFS is truly a masterpiece. But then my feeds started to get filled with a change when talking about the episodes. NGL, because of those talking points on the episodes, and my motivation decided to dwindle. But then the news of Dylan coming back as Community Manager brought me new hope..... which barely lasted a month when Bungie did their big layoff, which completely made me lose interest in the game. I can't even find the motivation to play what was my favorite game to play.

[@azurviper513]

The Into the light update, to me was a blast! Had me playing as much as I could to get some of those shiny godrolls. I definitely missed out on the shiny Lunas hand cannon ( I think thats the name ) but its all good. I held out on TFS because of the layoffs that were announced and the fact it was pushed back.. Then they showed us what they were working on and how it was gonna be and I ended up getting it a week after it released. Definitely had a good time with the FS. Actually I still need to go and get all the aspects for Prismatic but I'm trying to get that flamekeeper title right now. Need something else other then "Starbaker"

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

Become a Dredgen. You degen.

[@nikiajenkins9028]

We give CEO’s too much leeway. “Oh they get the fancy cars but held responsible for when shit goes wrong” but is that truly the case. When something doesn’t plan out as expected they still hoard as much money as possible and just fire a shit load of people to balance it out. In what world should that be okay? Especially when they are the ones to make the big stupid decision like 5 extra projects when destiny 2 already has a community that’s willing to donate their own money on top of buying all the expansions in hope for good/new content for Destiny 2 or a fcking banger of a Destiny 3

[@stevegaspar]

The game is old and looks its age. The player base is also now older than most games and new players, especially younger people (12-18) don't want to play this game (especially because it's so puzzle heavy AND has the worst new player experience I've ever seen). Also what gave Destiny the edge (especially D1) was the gun play and feel of weapons. Well that is definitely no longer the case as even CoD, IMO, has better feel guns that are more responsive and just feel better. We also now know for 100% certainty that evey single expansion has sold less than the previous one and it makes sense. D3 needed to start back in 2018 and now there's literally no one there who played a big part of Destiny beginnings and it shows. The game is a shadow of itself and honestly it kinda sucks now.

[@martyk656]

Marty O'Donnell is a giant in the video game industry. An actual talented human being. Not just somebody that leeches off of other people's work, as "influencers" and self-proclaimed "lore masters" do. Anyone that is hating on O'Donnell that is now sad about how things are at Bungie, I'm glad you're so sad. Prove yourselves by accomplishing 5% of what Marty O'Donnell has done.

[@masonbroughton1656]

Hey can you point me to the time stamp where there talking about this

[@Aerith117]

Keep suckin' brother

[@martyk656]

@@masonbroughton1656 7:20ish

[@Lorentz_Driver]

IDC how talented you are, don't be a bigoted POS.

[@joshuabenitez3260]

The reason expansions don't sell as much is because the new player experience sucks, sunsetting content, and how expensive the expansions are. And that is without buying the passes for dungeons and raids. When I first found out about dungeon/raid passes I was like "why do I need to buy this? I just got the expansion - this should be included". No expansion is worth $100 dollars. I'm sorry. Destiny expacs don't sell because it's just too expensive to get into. I eventually got into the game because my friends play it. But once they got off I stopped playing. I can't get my other friends to play it because of the reasons stated above.

[@sandman1989]

Personally for me I still would rate forsaken higher than final shape

[@jjmax981]

What’s your problem with Marty O’Donnell he’s the man brought halo music to our soul. He rightly sued them they got what deserved. Are you mad because he’s a politician now

[@scottieb2943]

Not because he's a politician because he's a right wing politician

[@Mango_Juice56]

100% has to be a bungie fanboy thing. They spread rumours about him being hard to work with and ignore the fact that Bungie and Activision screwed him over. Hating him based on whatever political side he chose is absolutely pathetic. You can disagree with him politically but still like him for what he’s done at bungie.

[@ectomorph_7]

BYF is a crazy liberal

[@ClairvoyantLastrus]

Well it sounded like there was something more there

[@jasonarauz007]

@@scottieb2943 and whats wrong with being a right wing politician, this is still a free country after all, he is free to do what he wants...

[@nickhernandez7688]

What's up with the hate for Marty

[@DioStandProud]

Right Wing scumbag that's pro project 2025

[@ulthanesmorkums]

They hate his politics.

[@fearedbeard7710]

Am I the only one who thinks we shouldn't give Bungie praise for TFS? It was good... for Bungie, and that is the problem. If you compare it to other games it's on the higher end of mid, so when people act like it is some groundbreaking gaming achievement, I don't get why. It would be nice if that was the level of content we were getting (minimum) most of the time and not like 30% of the time. That is what the community deserves, given how much they've still supported Bungie, despite all the scumbaggery. Years of being strung along and convinced that if we just keep supporting them, their next thing will be so much better. The truth is, most of it wasn't. The game has a unique vibe and gameplay that hasn't been replicated yet, that is the only reason anyone still plays it. From what I can tell, like 2/10 people have any interest in Marathon. If they neglected and screwed up Destiny, why would I want to jump into another franchise that they can just decide isn't worth their best efforts? All the money wasted on games that never saw the light of day, while Destiny languished for most of its lifespan. So much potential wasted.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

Nobody agrees with you. Go away.

[@moonlightrobbery]

This is what I've been saying since the raid dropped. We shouldn't celebrate this.

[@JPOG7TV]

No we should definitely give praise to where it’s deserved. Just because the higher ups screwed up so majorly, that shouldn’t take away from the expansion we got in the end.

[@fearedbeard7710]

@@JPOG7TV I doubt it matters much to them now. Not to mention, a lot of them were working on the uninspired cash grabs too. Just because your boss sucks, doesn't mean you shouldn't do your best work and at least half of Destiny's content was not great.

[@DioStandProud]

Nah TFS was heat. I'd put that expansion next to the Halo trilogy.

[@BB77s]

Got to admit i didnt know this channel existed until i saw the repost on 'Cross's channel. Just looking through your content and enjoying a lot. And I am pretty sure I saw you ingame a few weeks ago. That is if your Tag is the same as your channel.

[@zachspanos441]

The part in The Final Shape where we have to destroy the dissenter statues made me pity them also I felt sorry for them to

[@kiwig6474]

As a new casual player since june 24 with 300 hrs, D2 has been amazing and fun to play. I hear alot about D2 amazing story telling and lore, fooled me as i haven't and can't ever experience that. The characters mean nothing to me, as a new player it's the missions that make the game and unfortunately there isn't enough. Probably proves that a live service that last as long as D2 has actually blocked players interested in playing a new game, we have missed so much content that doesn't exist now.

[@thegavincourtney]

Been waiting for a new episode. Awesome 👊🏻

[@therealfrogjuice]

Waited a while for this video. Good stuff 💪

[@emmo00x]

The goats back at it again🐐

[@JR-17]

Instead of competitors, studios should make an expansion for live service games. This gives us more content without needing to spread people out and studios won’t have to worry much about duds since the games are already great

[@ksefchik]

Huge destiny update: there will be no more updates.

[@rainsong7773]

The death knell for my relationship with Destiny was actually the launch of Destiny 2. Ever since then I understood, they aren’t interested in pushing Destiny to become more than the sum of its parts. It’s a business above everything else. All the nonsense they push in the narrative “you make your own fate” is not supported in the actual structure or gameplay. You don’t make choices, you are taken for a ride and it costs $100 every time you want to hop back on for the year 👍

[@jmojocat1944]

It's a good thing Bungie built a new building now they don't have enough people to staff it

[@theonewhoknocks2809]

Marty O Donnell is a real one and I’m glad he’s laughing while Bungie is crumbling. Bungie tried pulling some suspect shady moves when they broke off with him and you guys side with Bungie cause they’re woke and he has conservative politics.

[@DioStandProud]

Nah The dude is pro Project 2025 He's a scumbag.

[@arnoldgoh5625]

A half cat half dog is called a Cog

[@m3tr0id86]

I am in the dark about Marty O'Donnell can someone give me details?

[@jjmax981]

I have no idea I think byf mad because Marty becomes a politician it’s not his political side.

[@MandoPrime1138]

Marty has become involved in right wing politics to a concerning degree. There has also been chatter of him believing in conspiracy theories tied to right wing movements but I’m not sure how accurate that is

[@kylemccormack1785]

@@MandoPrime1138 Oh no, how DARE people be anything other than mindless communists!!!

[@m3tr0id86]

​​@MandoPrime1138 This is a long one, but this is what I see on that situation. If you wish to read it, go for it, if you don't, just don't I don't care, these are just my thoughts on that matter in detail. Also as a heads up if a comment starts or ends with an "lol" be fore warned that I will not read it. I do remember him saying that now. Well based on my experience in politics by proxy of family, it's an incredibly messy set of business to say the very least and just because someone says they're right wing, does not guarantee that they are "right wing" if that makes sense and an aspect that worries me all the time as well. "Right Wing" actually means that Government has limited power over American lives but however you take that I am an American first and whatever else second. Plus those Right Wing Extremists are just Anarchists under a politically correct name or an arbitrary buzz word. Also if Marty is in a position of power and he does propose policies that I can suspect based on his experience and what Bungie has done to him after he was let go, I can suspect a few of those may be legislation that puts executives feet over the fire like Pete Parsons, because who better to make effective legislation in the video game industry, that someone who has lived it. He has been a composer of Bungie for many years, Bungie or more specifically Activision at the time fired him that I suspect they saw him noticing some red flags that Activison saw as a potential problem, he was legally attacked him by a legal order to destroy the music he had and composed by the way by Bungie and now I can guess that he may be running for office and odds are the only argument anyone he is running against has will be something like "video games cause violence" or whatever dime-a-dozen excuse they have. Marty said something about “Be nice to the goose". It means a goose produces golden eggs, be nice to the goose and it’ll give you more golden eggs. If you’re not nice, they won’t give you more." and then the head Activision guy said "Yeah, I like that story… but sometimes there’s nothing like a good foie gras [a food made of duck or goose]." This was before the Activision acquisition. I know this was a long one, but as Byf is good with the lore that can be long like The Last Word vs Thorn story that is a personal favorite or Dynasty that was a master piece by Byf, but I am someone that thinks through this thoroughly, and I do speak about this stuff for good reason and a "Lore Master" of sorts when it comes to politics whether it be Capital Hill, Companies, School, and ect. Is it mind numbingly boring? Yes. Is it also good to have at least one person looking into it who actually knows how to look into it to seek the truth? Also, yes.

[@martyk656]

@@MandoPrime1138 OTOH, if he was an Antifa bomb thrower, he'd fit right in at Bungie HQ. Former CM would give tips on how to riot without getting arrested in her Twitter feed. I bet Byf didn't see her as a "welcome departure".

[@lokinslawomir0793]

I hope the bungie leadership responsible for these failures in the company are sued. They need to be held accountable. Usually leadership making these level of mistakes are also mismanaging funds in a dishonest way. As the “mistakes” are convenient failures. At the very least a VERY thorough investigation to what happened would be welcome.

[@giantlizard9158]

"D3 is a risk, as such we will start 5 different projects and ruin the company" -pete parkyourcarson

[@broderickfoster2107]

I mean yeah. That idea is sound on paper. If the Destiny franchise isn’t seen as stable enough to make a sequel for, it’s in their best interest to start developing new franchises to try and pivot away from Destiny before it started sinking. Only problem being it didn’t pan out and they’ve still got Destiny sinking

[@Nacomaj]

Im doing my part.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

I want Nathan Fillion to re-record all his lines as Cayde-6 for the Forsaken campaign after they unvault it.

[@jmorris8706]

I love Byf's comment about 1/2 dog, 1/2 cat being an abomination and what it would look like.......Do we not all remember that 90's show CatDog?? :D I think 1/2 dog, 1/2 cat would totally look like them :D

[@hhenry8989]

Everyone has rose tinted glasses. We a lot of have complained and left from D2 beta to year one CoO war mind shadowkeep bring light light fall. Let’s be serious this needed to happen.

[@mrkiiprototype2938]

Still find it wild I used to watch you make CoD content

[@CybeRon1n]

wish we'd have choice in the story, thought we had when we chose between vanguard and drifter, i wish thats how more of the content ended up, especially with the story destiny has

[@StanslaMichael]

It's absolutely clear that the entire board at Bungie needs to go. The complete mismanagement of everything has caused this entire situation. Sony taking over, maybe the change that is needed.

[@chrishardt7420]

Bungie is saying that destiny 3 (a game that already has a huge player base) is too much of a risk meanwhile they are trying to make 5 different games that have no player base at all. Sony needs to lay off all top leadership at bungie and send an offer to all old bungie employees to come back with a pay raise to make destiny 3.

[@coldogno7]

all these dlc and season pass doesnt attract new players should have make destiny 3 looong time ago

[@hhenry8989]

I see as a stalemate. Those devs got paid they didn’t work for free unless they were interns

[@Slitheringpeanut]

No one is going to read this, not Byf, not Unknown, but why not. The reason that Bungie doesn't want Destiny 3, is because of what happened D2. Putting it on PC should have expanded their player base. Instead, the D1 players not only did not switch over, a vast majority left playing Destiny altogether. And in the last 5+ years, D2 has yet to recoup the player base. So if they make a D3, there's a chance it'll just crater the player count and kill Destiny forever.

[@hydethetiger.32]

The Destiny franchise is starting to look like a “manga source material pusher”. Starts out the journey. Has a great and exciting cliffhanger. Then, it falls off and falls outa funding. Now, the real fans HAVE TO buy the source material. But, will there be anything equal to that?

[@JtsTubes]

Lipstick 😂

[@mrthor8273]

I'm surprised Pete is still with Bungie.

[@martyk656]

He must be providing something that Sony values. They likely now own his vote on the board of directors.

[@asperry97]

I wholeheartedly think the The Winnower isnt the Endgame it is the current idea for the endgame but i firmly believe that the actual endgame is the guardian itself. We choose our own destiny and have become a paracausal force of power in the nature of the universe and Guardians being the only conduit for both. We ourselves are the true end game because if we defeat the Deep. We essentially become the Winnower and the Gardener by embodying both ideologs.

[@broderickfoster2107]

Yeah the gardener and winnower thing is just the equivalent of having a “God” in your universe. You don’t need to fight the devil for it to exist, like the Winnower is just there as a better version for the D1 concept of darkness in a post Beyond Light universe

[@uarelikeme]

D2 is going to die if they don’t have a major announcement. D3, future expansion, SOMETHING. Give the fans and players SOMETHING to look forward to

[@s1laz2425]

Even now after layoffs, there's still 400 more jobs (44% growth) thanks to Sony (+$1.3 billion retention bonuses) Bungie was 900 employees before Sony's acquisition, and 5 projects Now ~1300 employees 850 employees on Destiny 2 & Marathon 155 employees saved by SIE 75 employees to new PlayStation Studio

[@willpackson5]

Yall either forgot or haven't brought up about Bungie's new Marathon, That is a hero shoter and got rid of character creations customization for hero characters.

[@aaroncisneros147]

Imo Destiny's character creation is meh so predefined character is not bad

[@willpackson5]

@@aaroncisneros147 I'm still standing by what I said but to each their own.

[@iamoctonate]

​@@aaroncisneros147Ah yes, so instead of improving a character creator, let's just make players pick between a handful of pre-made characters with preset voices and load outs. Because that works out so well.

[@broderickfoster2107]

@@iamoctonatethey haven’t confirmed set loadouts or anything like that yet. The only thing they talked about was moving away from full player customization to more defined characters, that could simply mean you pick a look you like and work from there

[@Lorentz_Driver]

@@iamoctonate Blud forgot Overwatch was a massive success

[@itchyisvegeta]

Whats funny about Bungie disasters is drama always happens with that company when I am playing that game the most.

[@Blackronin357]

Who's fault is it for 500+ employees being lost in a year? Bungie or Sony or both. And why aren't more people in the gaming media in arms over Sony's involvement in this? Like they were for Redfall, Bethesda and Xbox or tango game works and Xbox? Xbox was at least able to sell off tango post closure and keep a deal on the table for future access to the games while giving the IP away w/ the studio. But you know, some people don't keep the same energy for Sony when they fuck up.

[@kylemccormack1785]

What the hell is Byf babbling about talking trash about my man Marty O'D?

[@laughingatnothing4642]

Well he was let go way back during D1, then he tried to sell music from Destiny he did not own and got sued. He played victim and tried to push it againt bungie loosing the lawsuit in court as he just stole music (in which he was not the only composer...so it was not even his singular creation) Then it came out that he was a conservative right wing personality who supports Trump and preaches about "traditional family values" openly supporting far right wing ideas. He opposed the Me too movement openly and he now supports Israel's attack of Palastine. So ya I think it is justified.

[@kylemccormack1785]

​@@laughingatnothing4642 Oh wow, kid. The music issue aside, you just stating that he's a right-winger doesn't have the impact you were hoping for. Unlike the vast majority of you, I am not an uneducated default-liberal. Conservatives are also allowed to exist, you absolute CHILD. Traditional family values are not out to get you. Relax. As for the issue of Israel, all I have to say is that if you IGNORE the 1,200 innocent lives taken on October 7th 2023, or if you create EXCUSES for this butchery, you are not, in my eyes, a human being. Much the same as you foaming at the mouth about conservatives, Jews actually are allowed to exist, even if you hate them.

[@kylemccormack1785]

@@laughingatnothing4642 Show me on the doll where right-wing conservatism touched you. Israel has a right to exist. Jews have a right to attend a music festival without being slaughtered by nazis. Hamas is not a legitimate government, the last election in Gaza ended once the Islamists took over. And my comment is being deleted, so you are protected from reality by censorship. Here's the original, edited to avoid deletion... ​ @laughingatnothing4642 Oh wow, kid. The music issue aside, you just stating that he's a right-winger doesn't have the impact you were hoping for. Unlike the vast majority of you, I am not an uneducated default-liberal. Conservatives are also allowed to exist, you absolute CHILD. Traditional family values are not out to get you. Relax. As for the issue of Israel, all I have to say is that if you IGNORE the 1,200 innocent lives taken on October 7th 2023, or if you create EXCUSES for this butchery, you are not, in my eyes, a person...

[@kylemccormack1785]

@@laughingatnothing4642 I literally cannot reply. My past three answers have all been either deleted by the channel owner, or by KZbin. You are shielded from reality by censorship. Enjoy your safe space!

[@laughingatnothing4642]

@@kylemccormack1785 that happens due to some bug....many of my replies dissapear too. It can be due to that. Maybe you try to reply?

[@Columbo12]

I don't think Final Shape tops Forsaken in terms of content given, story wise is arguable, but I can't really see why people would rate it as the "best" expansion ever dropped for Destiny 2. Compare what Forsaken gave us to Final Shape, and Forsaken just completely outdoes it in mostly everything.

[@MuddyButtMan]

Forsaken was only good because of how bad the game was at the time. If it came out now it would be another lightfall situation.

[@greasonP0u]

Not to mention the mystery and hype for Witch Queen

[@JPOG7TV]

To be fair, forsaken wasn’t an end to a saga. It was made to expand on a sequel that was very lacklustre. In a vacuum, forsaken is the best because it added so much but in reality, it was a much needed update to a sequel that needed that to begin with.

[@84m30]

The forsaken Year was the best year of content we have ever gotten to this day unfortunately. The perfect storm of 2 satellite studios and activision to push those updates out the door

[@broderickfoster2107]

Yeah whenever people talk about Witch Queen or Final Shape being the best expansions they most typically mean just the story and new subclass stuff. As a whole Witch Queen was one of the worst expansions (look at the whole year including two of the most hated seasons, a destination nobody goes to, a raid that over 90% of the playerbase still hasn’t done, and a half-baked weapon crafting system that broke things to an extreme). They’re great storylines and stuff but they don’t fix the main problems

[@markmerkin3701]

Thousands of people just lost their user names on the last patch and they are doing a really crappy job addressing the issue

[@demte84]

The words, Bungie and keeping things fresh, do not belong in the same sentence. TFS was mid overall

[@BrianGreen-gt9bj]

With so much new content and talking of future content out. I'd have thought this guy would have dropped a new one of these videos. It's about time. But I guess there is not real alot of new stuff to talk about definitely enough to fill a hour 😂