The Decline of Destiny Factions & Why Bungie Removed Them

[@unknownplayer03]

Which was the best faction? 🤔

[@clearspectrum324]

I was always an FWC kind of player. I'd like to see Bungie create new factions especially since the story has evolved a lot since D1.

[@u4ia_fubar_75]

If you go by the weapons I would say Dead Orbit.

[@Dempdawg11]

Yeah, they made FWC racist. I always loved them and their story, the machine they had, being tied to those crazy vex experiments on Venus. Dam

[@IAmTrashhy]

Dead orbit

[@dennisgawenda8309]

Dead Orbit for Life. Wish they would not have removed the Factions. Loved them

[@clearspectrum324]

The Tower in D1 used to feel alive. Now it feels empty and I find myself going the HELM more often.

[@Ceelker]

@@lemttomoto The D1 Tower is a part of the destination of The Final Shape.

[@clearspectrum324]

@@Ceelker It is but I don't think it's going to be a social space like it used to. It'll just be a place we traverse through.

[@clearspectrum324]

@@lemttomoto It'd be even better if they brought it back with some reconfigurations/modifications with new usable spaces and such.

[@PantsuTaigas]

Need a Helm Crytographer

[@idlovetohaveabeerwith4354]

Remember the pub?

[@nestorlam3024]

I wish they would have kept the factions like D1, just updated weapons or the original weapons from d1 it would have kept more engaged.

[@Blue-qt8ms]

Would’ve been cool but the community would’ve lost their minds like always cuz all it was, was recolored weapons and armor with the logo of the faction put on it and with different perks, it would’ve also made the weapon pool even more bloated

[@mathias5256]

@@Blue-qt8msto be fair at least the factions weapons woulda been faction specific. We currently have 3 non sunset versions of all the ikelos weapons so bloat was gonna happen anyways unfortunately.

[@jackdeviluke3969]

They wouldn't keep the weapons and armor since bungie hates scifi gear being in their scifi game now they only allow ugly ridiculously chunky armor and either weird looking or ugly modern looking weapons

[@wxl2562]

​@@Blue-qt8msthe weapon pool is already bloated. There's a lot of weapons that have the same stats, just different perk rolls or designs. Or weapons with the same design as another weapon, just with different stats and perks. That's 90% of the entire weapons collection in D2 and about 20-30% isn't even accesible anymore because most of the shit people paid for got removed. I'm sure adding 24 weapons and 45 pieces of armor to the game, wouldn't make other gear even more invaluable.

[@Ceelker]

The fact that you still have high quality footage of nearly every topic related to Destiny 1 and 2 is insane and really highly appreciated for historic value. Thank you for what you do.

[@unknownplayer03]

I kept most footage I recorded over the years so comes in handy for retrospective videos like these, glad you enjoyed thanks for watching!

[@wardoctor15al73]

The gunsmith, vendor resets, xur, factions all gave something to log in and check every couple days. Getting rid of these really killed the daily log in fun for me. D1 as simple as it was had the formula. Don’t totally change what works, just refine the formula

[@jontaryn4816]

Except for the months on end with absolutely no new content. Don’t let your nostalgia cloud how empty most of d1 was

[@ToeNailGathering]

@@jontaryn4816at least the content in D1 was fun and worth playing. D2 ‘new’ content is just copy and paste or recycled with a new label. Dont let bungies dick juice cloud your vision

[@inui12494]

I miss the faction wars.

[@bobbybamf14]

The fraction wars suck and are very lazily done

[@wazsan]

@@bobbybamf14yea fuck the math wars

[@115zombies935]

The guardian games are such a glow down of the faction wars.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

Hope one day Bungie tries factions again but with house light (replaces dead orbit), Caitel's cabal (replaces future war cult) and the awoken (replaces new monarchy). Having fallen cabal and awoken themed loot would be a good incentive to join them.

[@keronstewart9446]

i think it will be the other way around! its more likely caital will replace new monarchy and the awoken will replace FWC!

[@Mondolfo17]

That would take effort and creativity to implement, so bungo will never do it lol. Great idea though.

[@keronstewart9446]

@@Mondolfo17 never say never though!

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

@@keronstewart9446 Cabal makes more sense as war cults replacement given the cabals war mongering attitude.

[@PantsuTaigas]

Boring

[@Forcer69]

If Bungie ever does bring back Faction rallies or the factions I really hope they aren’t like Warmind. Grinding for those exotic armor ornaments and catalyst were probably the worst grind I’ve done across both games. You needed 50 levels to get both one of the catalyst and armor ornaments, it took about an hour of public events to get 1 level, you had one week to hit level 50 since there was only 3 rallies, and you had to do that 3 times if you wanted everything. Honestly, Destiny nowadays is not that grindy compared to Warmind Faction Rallies.

[@williamhart4637]

That grind is something I'll never forget

[@OMJNRG]

Grinding materials for those exotic swords 💀

[@j3susB]

Ain’t gonna lie Faction rally’s we’re shiteeeee bring back the OG D1 style

[@arnifenrenso2940]

I miss the factions so much. The thing about fanctions in d1 is it felt like the world was connected, doing activities give you rank for that activity, but also your faction rank, you were helping a lot at once, you felt like you were gaining progress, cuz your rank didnt reset every damn 3 months so everything you did WASNT useless

[@taylorpierson7254]

I miss my dead orbit shaders!!😢

[@fumarc4501]

Same, bro. Same.

[@masterofnothing4938]

What’s interesting, after the reveal of the new exotic class items coming in TFS, it’s clear bungie didn’t forget factions exist they just don’t have the resources to update them

[@lyinginertia]

It was such a missed opportunity to have crucible be based around faction wars. They could've implemented a system similar to guardian games but it's a weekly thing where the factions are pitted against each other and lore will be developed based around that. For example a faction that is losing in stats or popularity could start to spread propaganda about fighting for them when you login to the game and if you switch you'll get some exclusive gear or cosmetics to said faction. Each faction could offer some passive abilities as well that could be enticing (or offer exclusive mods). Staying with a faction could grant you loyalty rewards. It could've made crucible far more engaging

[@Commander_Pika]

Man, I miss the revelry. Favorite iteration of the infinite forest activity.

[@doomslayer8025]

This could have been a 20 second video. It’s because bungie is lazy and didn’t want to make faction specific content so they left them without any story involvement for 6 years and then said “fwc died offscreen so everyone is banned” and cut them from the tower.

[@Blue-qt8ms]

It’s not laziness, its just another entire event that would take time off everything else, clearly you done know what prioritization means they already release 4 seasons, 3 extoic missions, 2 raids, 2 dungeons, 4 events, 1 new location, 1 campaign, 1 new strike and completely reworked and changed 2 strikes, 4 new pvp maps, added multiple huge QoL improvements and are going to add a new gameplay update in a few months with multiple new pvp game mode within the past 14 months and now your wanting them to add another new event that’d take hundreds of additional hours to produce, people like you can never be happy and are always wanting more

[@Makiyura]

You came all this way to complain about that? Find somewhere else to be then 🤷🏿‍♂️ Make your own "20 sec video"

[@MawsYT]

He’s a content creator, he’s going to make whatever he wants. Here’s an idea though… pretty crazy thought but just hear me out… if you don’t like it, don’t watch it 😳

[@dinckelman]

I’ve never experienced most of what was described in the video, so it was good entertainment for me. If you don’t like it, just don’t watch it. No one cares about your snide remarks

[@robertcvt]

At this point I totally agree with you. Destiny has the perfect LORE. Really have to congrats to the writers and creators of the lore. But the management of Bungie was very poor.

[@The_Albraskan]

Pretty great summary of the old factions. I know this isn’t really a lore video on the old factions, but if I remember right from the Veil containment recordings, Lakshmi-2’s mind is pretty much a copy of Maya Sundaresh’s.

[@yarukineez0]

FWC had the best spawn animation fight me

[@Sathanas-wf8xk]

You should make a video about SRL. I actually enjoyed it!

[@patrickoakley7890]

I wish I had been playing vanilla D2 when these rallies were around. I missed out on the amazing Eye Of Another World ornament. 😢

[@evisceratorxxx7961]

D1

[@ledzep1023]

You can get it this season. It’s in the bright dust rotation, just keep a look out on Eververse weekly

[@Just_Proudy07]

I was a dead orbit main in D1, Factions in D1 gave you a reason to play, ranking up to get the weapons, ships, emblems and shaders........... D2 has nothing like this which sucks

[@florentinoruiz3193]

I was a loyal FWC member. I think it's still the emblem I use. I really thought we never won a single faction rally. I guess I was on vacation the one time we won.

[@cocoa_joey]

I know D1 had its fault, such as launching without much content, but man… that game was like crack. Still miss the music, the mystery and of course my Eclipse Maw gear…

[@Mechimmortal]

Faction Rally could work these days, since we have rolled weapons now. Have singular, pretty good weapon to chase, but you can obtain it from any faction, and have an ornament for whichever faction you choose, and armor is obviously unique for each faction as always. You're not missing out on a great gun, so people are more inclined to pick a faction they actually like.

[@CMTDev]

i wish we could stand together and return to destiny 1 as a whole and bring life to it again, i wish bungie would increase the vault space which killed the game

[@83ponchito]

I was actually very into factions back in D1 never mixing up who is who. Warlock-DO Hunter-FWC Titan-NM

[@henrirobbins3029]

This video is making me realize how much I miss factions - they ensured that there was some kind of personalized and focused goal no matter what you were working towards, and made the game feel a lot more "yours" than just having Vanguard/Crucible/Gambit drops.

[@DaisOfDestruction]

3:49 As a veteran player myself, this only proves how dumb Bungie became content-wise, the endless cycle of re-cycle, they've made a big fuss about it in The Final Shape reveal with "two exotics equipped at the same time" but we all know that everything sounds so familiar, doesn't it ?

[@idlovetohaveabeerwith4354]

Great vid. I’d forgotten how cool the factions were.

[@BigSooshiRoll]

i feel like its simple turn them into permanent vendors and give them weapons that have a rare and random trait that would be sought after but could only be gained from specific factions that would drive so much

[@richypitch]

FWC - 'Wormwood' - loved that sidearm

[@putthecookiedown9761]

Factions was my favourite thing in destiny 1, i hate it that they have been removed 😢.

[@guillermopacheco5005]

New Monarchy had that drip

[@fumarc4501]

As a former member of Dead Orbit since D1, I always hoped to see or go to the Dead Orbit fleet. When it became clear we never would, I started thinking all the factors were just for lip service and were never intended to be fleshed out.

[@weakeyesgoodears]

That actually explains a lot regarding Splicer. I would love to see these factions expanded upon in the story but the way Destiny is going we might never get that.

[@yamaha893]

im pretty new to the game so your video is really appreciated

[@drejenkins8801]

For me fwc had best weapons in both games I really did like their color scheme and goal/mission statement. The other 2 bored me honestly

[@CoachOta]

The FWC color scheme of purple with white, yellow and salmon/rose (?) accents was slick! And while Hung Jury was exceptional, I really liked the FWC weapons over what DO and NM offered.

[@ioku138]

brought us down memory lane with this one.

[@4am446]

Destiny 1 faction guns had that look that made them feel like real rare cool guns. In d2 I never feel like my guns feel special

[@doootuz]

I just chose new monarchy because he looked like Lord Farquad from Shrek

[@OMJNRG]

I was in future war cult mainly because I’m a future space doomsday prepper 🤣

[@cyber4053]

Dead orbit is my favorite faction so i’m glad they’re at least gonna be in a future story event…

[@brmawe]

Ahh Destiny 1, back when the game was simple & not overloaded with unnecessary content.

[@SlongestKongest]

What? Destiny 2 was peek simplicity lmao Destiny 1 had alot to it lmao

[@iamthestormthatisapproaching69]

​@@SlongestKongestmeanwhile there's memorizing what over 200 perks do in your favorite guns, how to build your character with the many new mods added, discussing what the best DLC's are to buy to save you some cash, just to name a few.

[@RunnyElephant44]

Remember factions? The guardians on the farm Remember

[@ElectricMonkey99]

I’m hoping that now the main story line is wrapped up the factions can start playing a bigger roll. I liked the factions and d1 and really like fwc. Played d2 for a bit and got back into it recently and was really confused when I found they weren’t in the game anymore.

[@messiah3432]

They should bring them back as vendors like in D1. Maybe do quest to gain favor or weekly bounties. Idk they were an interesting part of D1 for sure.

[@jpgduff]

I don't know, man. Renown was an interesting concept. It was pretty cool stacking up to 5 then going to a Kost Sector - it was more difficult and much more fun. Also - the hologram.you carried about looked great!

[@gurururuwarararara8164]

I was a new light during Season of The Splicer/Beyond Light era. The only thing I knew of the factions was that of Laksmi-2 and FWC. Really bummed that I missed the factions 😢

[@eddiegusslerii7975]

In Lightfall, didn't we find out that Lakshmi was also from Neptune and was involved with testing on the veil? FWC made a lot more sense after that.

[@Ozzie314]

I thought the distributary is sealed off and it can’t be entered/exited from anymore Didn’t Mara do that as a failsafe after she left?

[@unknownplayer03]

It's supposed to be but some characters believe they can get back in so we'll see!

[@Recker45-70]

the D2 Dead Orbit titan armor was pretty awesome, TBH. Loved when it got re-added with the Prophecy dungeon, def miss that period of D2. Even with sunsetting happening around then, I had fun.

[@Griggs1981]

Always thought removing the factions was a mistake they added depth

[@SadSackGaming]

There’s some location you can get to that puts you on this fancy chunk of land in outer space with a galaxy visible. Prolly connected to the awoken place.

[@turtletitangaming8620]

this brought back memories of my favorite sidearm "teacup tempest"

[@jmojocat1944]

I think in destiny 1 they were originally special because there wasn't so many vendors. That changed in Taken king but for awhile there was Vanguard, Crucible, Gunsmith, and Faction of your choice. They got lost in the shuffle in D2.

[@SymbioteMullet]

Correction: there were other transmat effects in D1, there was a halloween themed consumable that would change your effect to a swarm of bats, but only until the next reset. There may have been others, but that's the one i know about for sure.

[@AnonEMus-cp2mn]

As a relatively new D2 player, I picked up on the faction types from seeing their iconography in the Tower, faction armor sets, and at times weapons and emblems. I wish in some small capacity there were vendors present in the Tower or even the hanger, even if their purpose was to merely sell shaders and ornaments. We are already used to the seasonal weapon having Vanguard and Crucible shaders, so why not have a select few weapons introduced into the season have ornaments with simple logos and color schemes too? We already have some weapons with the War Cult emblem.

[@crimzonkamui4498]

They totally need to add the life exotic perk to destiny 2, it’ll definitely make crazy builds

[@MrFralimoko]

I never got that Titán exotic ornament from New Monarchy. I got the ones for the Warlock and Hunter though. They should bring back SRL. I miss that event so much 😢

[@tombombieth]

Destiny.. a fashion show for players.

[@dudeguyrockfan]

the truest end game

[@aiodensghost8645]

As someone who has been repping Dead Orbit since Destiny 1, the fact that they have a key role coming up is promising

[@MarcCobb98]

New monarchy was the best for me the auto rifle you got from it i loved it i have 42,000 + kills with it if bungie dint do sunseting i would still be using it

[@Bean_ina_Beanbag]

I miss the factions, i want them back

[@LovingTodaysCountry]

I managed to get the dance party key back in the day but yea i never knew anyone else really who obtained one. The whole event was kinda shit tbh

[@ledzep1023]

I hate the way Bungie didn’t even try to make Faction Rallies a fun event. Factions were so cool in D1 and were pretty unique while having some of the best rewards in the game. Looking back and when I played the Faction Rallies, it really felt like Bungie did not wanna improve or wanted to get rid of factions. Keep in mind that this was before D2 was f2p and now having Faction Rallies would probably be impossible because Bungie wouldn’t have a decent way to monetize them. I’ve been saying this since Bungie started messing up the factions and it really sucked to see them die out this way

[@jackb3822]

You forgot about he bat transmat effect that you could get from using a halloween consumable

[@waiu0235]

I am always a Dead Orbit guy

[@infinitedeath1384]

Same.

[@alpa2139]

Edz lost sector tokens farm was a sweating event back in the day

[@infinitedeath1384]

Man that's nostalgic to think about. I miss the factions, always was with dead orbit. Shame there aren't any factions rn.

[@VArisTHE_sinnerrr]

Wait just realised how much sense this makes dead orbit is gonna find it and were gonna re fashion the dreadnaught to follow them out of the sol system to start the new saga

[@Spartan-bl4pq]

I miss the trash talk we all had arguing which was best

[@legitboitv7719]

I LOVE FUTURE WAR CULT PLEASE BRING BACK FACTIONS BUNGIE😭😭😭

[@pullingonthestrings]

In 2016, my Playstation 4 (along with all of my other possessions in my apartment) was stolen, I didn't get a new one until 2018. Whoever had stolen my PS had logged in to my Destiny account and deleted everything in my inventory and my vault. I had a huge rank with dead orbit, their ship, the exotic class items, a bunch of their guns and armor, etc. Along with raid weapons, rare drops... I could go on and on, I played the hell out of D1... And poof, in one night, all of it was gone. I was in contact with Playstation themselves and my local police department and of course neither of them were any help. Playstation's support "specialists" didn't even let me know that I should have changed the email associated with my account along with my password. So whoever it was had free range of my account for 2 years... I can't express how upset I was. I stopped playing D1 after I got a new PS4 and changed my account info but I started playing D2 again since it was relatively new at the time. I'm still very upset about my D1 account though, I don't know if I'll ever really get over it.

[@codymuders4996]

I miss the destiny class specific exotics

[@Strife4006]

So excited for them to come back I still rep dead orbit till this day

[@Sheikah_Architect]

11:20 damn I knew Bungie were woke but that is next level haha. Disrespecting escapism is why everyone's crazy these days

[@ricardotolbert1797]

1:42 as twisted a Laksmi was…the second war did come in season of the seraph… proceeding to Lightfall. Was just a lazy way into it.

[@Sepricotaku]

I wonder if the galaxy pool is going to be a place we go to find the portal into the awoken home universe.

[@IAmTrashhy]

For PvP weapons FWC had the best ones and some Dead Orbit but for PvE Dead Orbit has one of the best with Hung Jury

[@inui12494]

I still miss dead orbit

[@AnomalyAlter]

You know you were a baller rolling into a crucible match in the Fermi Paradox

[@rdad123]

ngl i think if faction rally's had came back and turned into the guardian games style it would have been pretty good. having the 3 factions flags instead of the 3 classes and having the medals system so it mattered more about doing better activities. think id actually like that more than guardian games.

[@yallhatebaadddyoung7356]

I forgot about this stuff but it’s coming back

[@pickme.picker]

There were consumable "transmat effects" in destiny 1 as well

[@SS-be1mr]

There was some crap for these factions added in the game that I didn't like, so in D2, dead orbit and new monarchy went against the vanguard and future war cult went with them and after their leader died, they disappeared, along with dead orbit and monarchy being banished. Yet they didn't die, they just vanished from the official story

[@SS-be1mr]

To be fair, I've always loved new monarchy. I had all 3 and always used them. An always had the 3 swords that were class specific too. And I still have them in D2 too

[@SKETCHunlimited25]

That armour definitely looks Power Rangers/Super Sentai inspired. Looks awesome

[@gemnut2562]

Ahh in destiny 2 from pointless rewards, to a rigged event that has every class win in a cycle of Titan, hunter, then warlock which is just as pointless which only gets some tracks with some decent rewards which were few in number

[@dankim7831]

The hunter Fwc armor was NOT yellow purple and brown. It was a burgundy color. The Fwc sets only got better, esp for hunters imo. And the colors are retro. They're not just black and white or red and white. There's beauty in simplicity yes, but fwc's retro color theme was way better and creative

[@duomaxwell90]

I actually miss factions

[@WastedHomp2]

They should have just brought the faction mechanics from D1 cause we would have more weapons and armor to grind for which in turn would keep people playing the game

[@VVyzard]

May I remind you that new monarchy was BASED AF

[@Samuraith2077]

I feel the factions offered incredible diversity and opportunity to own unique weapons and armor with specific shaders and rather than invest in continuing or expanding it they cut it loose in favor of a more centralized and controlled loot pool. Which is what people dislike greatly. The loss of the gunsmith bounties, unique weapons back in d1 coupled with the loss of factions and what they had to offer was a travesty to say the least despite what fanboys here would say.

[@BIGMATT513]

Devs completely sleep on the factions then remove it cuz the players don't utilize the loot what a joke 😂

[@UltimateCrystal]

Dead orbit was my jam 😂 loved collecting thousands of materials to give them 🤣

[@joshs5135]

I wish we had factions still. I miss repping FWC

[@Sam-lf3hn]

FWC always seemed to be the most practical and realistic. Be prepared for war.

[@u4ia_fubar_75]

The future war cult armour always looked best on the hunter in D1, especially the visor with the FWC going across it.

[@Crimsomreaf5555]

i want them to bring back the exotic class items because the exoitic class items we got with the final shape look so bad

[@RegularSwishersOnly]

Cousin trying to get me back into Destiny but this is the main reason I couldn't enjoy it when it first came out. I had every FWC ship/shader/armor and weapons...this was all on xbox so I don't remember how many hours I had but dammit were those the days. Destiny was so amazing up until they decided to make a 2nd game instead of just updating Destiny itself for 10 years like originally planned.

[@just_a_stump]

HE LIVES

[@zacharyabenante1814]

Dead Orbit will always live on!

[@Sojiiro545]

I no lifed D1 just to get every ship and the faction ships where the biggest pains to get imo.

[@nicholascortez7103]

I forgot how based Lakshmi was. I still think that the Vanguard was wrong for allowing the Fallen into the city. History has taught us that if they do not assimilate, it is only a matter of time before, at the rate that they reproduce, they outnumber the humans then attempt a coup of their own.

[@thesolidsnakealpha]

Just like real life