Unlocking the Mystery: Why the HF Bands Are DEAD

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Күн бұрын

HF radio was completely silenced over the past weekend. We get to the bottom of what caused it, but the benefits it can provide to VHF ham radio operators.
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0:00 What has happened?
0:53 Aurora photos
1:22 Bad for Radio & GPS!!
2:06 Too much of a good thing
3:14 Key solar indexes you need to know
3:43 The Carrington Event
4:34 How to tell when HF is going to be good
5:15 It's not all bad news though..
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@JohnHill-qo3hb
@JohnHill-qo3hb Ай бұрын
I have several comments: 1. Excellent explanation, I could never get to grips with the solar physics, you made it so simple, will view this video a few times till it sinks in. 2. Your high school science teacher would be proud of you. 3. I didn't know that Daleks could get an amateur radio license!
@Macjohn1419
@Macjohn1419 Ай бұрын
Aurora activity is a bonus for 6 meters. You can bounce signals off of the aurora and contact stations. A 4-element beam is ideal to get great DX. I’ve been doing it for years.
@oldfartonabmx2122
@oldfartonabmx2122 Ай бұрын
And yes, heard a few fellow farmers complaining their GPS systems were playing up!
@mikeZL3XD7029
@mikeZL3XD7029 Ай бұрын
Hayden, I remember this very same thing happened during the sun spot cycle back in 1989. At it's peak, the HF and shortwave bands were damn near un-usable, but it got better on the down slope part of the cycle and returned to normality in 1996. Interesting things solar cycles.
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Hopefully we get some good conditions soon!
@Jeff-sp7bg
@Jeff-sp7bg Ай бұрын
In 1990-92 i could talk dx 24/7. Was booming day and. Night
@Bill_KL7TC
@Bill_KL7TC Ай бұрын
Cool seeing the lights from Australia. Being in Alaska, we see them all the time, but of course this time we had too much daylights and clouds to see them in Alaska. Normal solar flares usually create so much absorption here in KL7, we can't work anyone, much less hear anyone.
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 23 күн бұрын
I recall during the last solar cycle maximum when I was working all over the place with 20 Watts, and the repeaters around the state were keying up one another in weird feedback oscillations to the point where control ops were having to shut them down altogether. The town cop stopped by my shack and asked me why his police-radio communications were so bad when he'd heard that radio communications were great due to solar activity.
@DrWorth-ez5es
@DrWorth-ez5es Ай бұрын
Great discussion Hayden! At ~2:36, you mention that HF transmissions can get absorbed by the ionosphere during a geomagnetic storm, so they won't get refracted and therefore no skywave. There's another effect as well as described in the Wikipedia 'Ionosphere' page under the 'Storms' heading. 'During a geomagnetic storm the F₂ layer will become unstable, fragment, and may even disappear completely'. No F2 layer at all is certainly going to make the HF bands go quiet!
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Yes very good point! Space weather is very interesting!
@JoeBorrello
@JoeBorrello 20 күн бұрын
About 20 years ago I had a sked with K8WPI (now SK) on 40 meter CW, him in Long Island NY and me in Kalamazoo MI (about 1100 km). It was during a geomagnetic storm, and the HF bands were absolutely dead. Since it was a sked I tried anyway. His signal was extremely weak, barely budged the S-meter, but was easily readable because of the quiet bands. RST 519.
@youtubeaccount931
@youtubeaccount931 Ай бұрын
It was weird, there was nothing, then I had one QSO to New Zealand (I'm in California) with 50 watts and a dipole, and then nothing the rest of the time. I'm glad I got on the air, I hadn't played radio in weeks and the aurora got me motivated.
@erikk77
@erikk77 Ай бұрын
During the height of the storms I was not able to hear my state police on 155.58. The repeater is about 40 miles to the north. 18 hours later no problem.
@dang48
@dang48 Ай бұрын
Pretty wild for sure. Last week we went out to get some pictures of the Northern Lights (I'm in Canada), and had to use our GPS. Took longer than usual for our GPS to acquire a satellite so there was the effect mentioned. Watching the lights was amazing.
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Very cool indeed!
@johndavidson1010
@johndavidson1010 Ай бұрын
Thanks for this informative information. Yesterday I experienced a strange happening, 20 and 40 meter bands allowed me to make contacts as close as 50 miles! Normal distant contacts were not possible. Other Hams were commenting on ability to make close contacts as well.
@kennethausten
@kennethausten 20 күн бұрын
Many newly licensed hams seem to think it's lack of users. Cannot understand why they are not being heard. They got use to vhf uhf fm with Repeaters and some with dmr and dstar . Now HF is a completely different ball game. Many gone back to vhf.. many like me started on HF. HF was ham radio for us oldies. We learnt quickly about propagation. It will eventually get back to normal.
@Jeff-sp7bg
@Jeff-sp7bg 12 күн бұрын
There is no "normal" on HF. I'm a 45 year ham and in the 4 cycles ive been through this is the quietest ive ever seen for such a prolonged period of time. It can be frustrating.
@DK5ONV
@DK5ONV Ай бұрын
I am going to take a Break from HAM Radio for like a Week or so. The Bands going to be super crappy...mostly dead as a Horse. Sporadically there is going to be some openings but not lasting long time. It repeatedly happens on every Year in the month of May.
@jstoltenburg
@jstoltenburg Ай бұрын
6 meters was open for voice and CW in pockets, but it was strange though - everyone sounded like they were the Borg from Star Trek. I was tempted to call CQ saying that I was Borg!
@dannynova3412
@dannynova3412 Ай бұрын
40 meter in east side USA is great. Everything else here mud
@chronicandironic8701
@chronicandironic8701 Ай бұрын
Yeah i noticed the same
@jeffwright6685
@jeffwright6685 Ай бұрын
You have 1 more year 2025 is the height
@jstoltenburg
@jstoltenburg Ай бұрын
@@jeffwright6685 and then it goes south for how long?
@vk4uh96
@vk4uh96 Ай бұрын
Interestingly 10m (28MHz) did not receive the memo! Despite the complete dropout of most HF bands, 10m has been wide open (from VK4 at least) to all continents. Who knows how or why this single band was spared - actually enhanced to this amazing level. VK4UH
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Ай бұрын
I would guess as the MUF goes up, the LUF (I just made that up!) goes up as well, so where we can't normally use 80m in the day, I'm guessing we couldn't use up to 15m or 12m, but could use 10m. There's also Sporadic E, there was a lot of that about as well.
@DonzLockz
@DonzLockz Ай бұрын
Great info Hayden. Maybe it's a good time for DMR on hotspots.
@__logan__duvalier__
@__logan__duvalier__ Ай бұрын
There were strong aurora back reflections on 11m CB SSB all over the UK and europe last week ! these phone signals sounded like daleks
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Yep that's exactly the unique sound!
@mattstosh6960
@mattstosh6960 Ай бұрын
Welcome to my almost daily issue here in Alaska. Another reason why logging Alaska is difficult for DX certificates. The Aurora Steel pot. Good video and thank you.
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Thanks! I never thought about it that way - how often do you get disruptions?
@HamRadioPrep
@HamRadioPrep Ай бұрын
Great info! 👌🏼
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Thanks! Hope you enjoy Hamvention 👍
@jamesalles139
@jamesalles139 Ай бұрын
thanks for the clarity, and kudos for the reference to Dr. Skov
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Tamitha is the go-to for this kind of stuff!
@NukaVaultReadiness
@NukaVaultReadiness Ай бұрын
Great stuff, and thank you for the deeper explanation!
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
No worries hope it was helpful!
@TheRFResistance
@TheRFResistance Ай бұрын
Nice video mate!
@timmotel5804
@timmotel5804 Ай бұрын
Good Day and Thank You. Very educational and interesting for this HAM "listener". Best Regards
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@mattbates6887
@mattbates6887 10 күн бұрын
This is certainly true, HF propagation and the sunspot cycle does affect activity when the bands are dead. But there are other reasons worth a mention. When you factor in digital modes such as FT8, DMR , and modern SDR rigs it all becomes very clear indeed. A lot of Hams have moved over to DMR now, given up calling CQ on HF preferring instead to stare at the bandscope, and if they see no activity switch the rig off. Plus the HF bands are very noisy now in most urban areas, so weaker signals get buried in the noise, and you just can't hear them. Finally contesting seems to have become more popular over recent years, so for a lot of Hams they only operate during contest activity, which decades ago wasn't an issue. Back then, Hams held nets and regularly talked to one another on 160, 80 and 40 in the evenings during the week, even in periods of high sunspot activity as I remember. Ham radio was the first social network for radio technically minded individuals, to get together on air and discuss radio. Ham radio has changed so much now, from what it was decades ago, you're bound to get less activity on air.
@vu3mes
@vu3mes Ай бұрын
Complete washout on Saturday and Sunday and slightly picking up today..even the regularly heard hf nets were not copy able here in Chennai.
@chairforce0928
@chairforce0928 Ай бұрын
I was able to chat with a guy that's 90 miles away off of a repeater that's WAY out of line of sight (other side of a large formation of rolling hills) for my handheld GMRS.
@boydsharp
@boydsharp Ай бұрын
I was able to make three 6M contacts on FT8 over the weekend. Saw on the spotter that some areas of the USA was open down your way.
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Yeah it was open the following morning here (well not here but in Northern VK)
@Drew_TheRoadLessTraveled
@Drew_TheRoadLessTraveled Ай бұрын
I got a new DJI drone the other day.... It is grounded because of solar flares. GPS and 2.4Gh spectrum hopping is affected. Outback South Australia is just one big magnetic solar collector.
@basspig
@basspig Ай бұрын
Just for curiosity sake, I put a digital volt meter across my vertical and horizontal antennas and I noticed that my horizontal antenna accumulated the most DC voltage reaching a high of 87 millivolts. Still a minuscule amount of energy induced into a 70 ft long piece of wire.
@dustyroaddestinations
@dustyroaddestinations Ай бұрын
thanks so much for this video - I'm basically VERY new at HF and even though there were questions on the test about this it has been difficult to udnerstand and put into practice. I did a POTA last weekend and it took 4 hours to be able to activate the park I was in and that included FT8 and SSB - I wanted to do it totally with SSD but I just couldn't hit 10 but at least with the handful of FT8 I was able to do it. It was brutal to say the least...
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
No problems glad it helped! Good luck on your next activation
@dustyroaddestinations
@dustyroaddestinations Ай бұрын
@@HamRadioDX This weekend was pretty rough too - might have been my antenna...
@AdamDeal-KF0PRI
@AdamDeal-KF0PRI Ай бұрын
It's quite amazing how the sun can be our friend one minute and then next our arch enemy!
@sogent56
@sogent56 Ай бұрын
Nice job.
@mayomayo7318
@mayomayo7318 Ай бұрын
Everyone needs to call, not just looking on the clusters....
@k6usy
@k6usy Ай бұрын
Worked VK9DX on 6m FT8 with 100w and a HO loop from central CA. The bands are not completely dead you just have to hunt harder for DX.
@kurtzFPV
@kurtzFPV Ай бұрын
I did pick up a new country on ft8 40m yesterday, though it hasn't been confirmed yet.
@dxer22000
@dxer22000 Ай бұрын
some of the Australian MW frequencies also crashed, with no propagation
@roberthopkins8089
@roberthopkins8089 Ай бұрын
Still working some dx on 11 mtrs from the uk tonight... All short stuff... North Italy Poland and Germany... Great for groundwave as well being quiet.
@jplewis01
@jplewis01 Ай бұрын
Pay attention to the BZ index as well. I negative value can indicate a stronger negative interaction of the Storm with our magnetosphere...
@ethzero
@ethzero Ай бұрын
Of course i would test my new SDRplay dx the first night of the aurora in the UK and wondered if i had a faultly unit! Quickly discovered that this was the same for my RTL-SDR then shortly after @TechMinds let me know of this unprecedented phenomenon 😂
@remaguire
@remaguire Ай бұрын
Heck, I thought you were gonna say it was FT8!
@user-ef3nu1eh7z
@user-ef3nu1eh7z Ай бұрын
Here in WI USA our radio been dead starting day before eclipse in april bheavy( 10+s units) static day before and of eclipse then reduced for week and dad since now over month hope turnaround coming
@moozoowizard
@moozoowizard Ай бұрын
Carrington Event was estimated to be an X45 flare. The largest of the recent bunch was X5 something. Its a log scale. X45 is 10^40 times stronger than an X5 !!!!
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Imagine if that hit us - ouch!
@yclept9
@yclept9 Ай бұрын
It all happens every day, just over a smaller frequency spread. On 40m, it's open worldwide in darkness, and goes local during the daytime. Why? The ionosphere is always ionized enough to reflect 40m signals back to earth. The radio wave excites an ionized +- pair, which moves and then reradiates the signal a quarter cycle later, inducing a height-dependent delay that does the reflection. In the daytime, the sun ionizes down to lower altitudes, where the mean free path is smaller, and the +- pair collides with something before it reradiates, and the radio wave is turned to heat (absorbed). Higher frequencies survive shorter mean free paths, and even higher frequencies don't reflect at all. So it's always 3 regiemes: absorbed (low freq), reflected (medium freq), unreflected (high freq). Exceptional solar activity ionizes deeper into the atmosphere, turning everything into daytime low frequency. Normal solar produces reflections at 20m and absorption at 40m daytime, and reflections at 40m and no reflection on 20m nighttime.
@jimgraham6722
@jimgraham6722 Ай бұрын
FT8 and JS8 40 and 17 still going somewhat though lower levvel absorption playing havoc. As the lower layers recombine more quickly they should unmask still highly refractive higher layers leading to some good DX off the back of this.
@shanerorko8076
@shanerorko8076 Ай бұрын
I checked 7mhz on Saturday, it was pumping better than usual in my opinion, I don't know why people were saying HF was dead? Maybe the DX was down but NVIS was fine.
@1958johndeere620
@1958johndeere620 Ай бұрын
That audio clip just sounded like a normal QSO between 2 heavy smokers.
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
LOL
@321CatboxWA
@321CatboxWA Ай бұрын
Had great backscatter on 11 during storm and arora peak.
@pixeluser175
@pixeluser175 Ай бұрын
VHF was great, though...
@oldfartonabmx2122
@oldfartonabmx2122 Ай бұрын
Was 6 meters any good? (don't have a 6M antenna yet so idk ?!)
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Yes 6m was good via auroral propagation. Yagi or directional antenna is really needed, pointing south
@gavindouglas5581
@gavindouglas5581 Ай бұрын
Zl1gam bad on 80 and 40 metre band
@eddiepiecart6030
@eddiepiecart6030 Ай бұрын
An observation. You do all the exams, get the best radio and antenna system and when the sun decides, no communications EXCEPT for good old 27mhz CB No matter what there is always some nong out there on 11 metre band. ALWAYS!!
@VK4EA
@VK4EA Ай бұрын
Sunday 6m and 10m FT8 was pumping - go figure?
@kafostad
@kafostad Ай бұрын
Was plenty of Aurora and sporadic E aurora on 10m here in norway. No problem to work FT8 via aurora ES. Audio is clear
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
I noticed between VK4 and USA was good. VK4CZ was working them well
@stevefox3763
@stevefox3763 Ай бұрын
There have been mass ejections bigger than than Carrington event but earth dodged them as they were on the other side of the sun.
@drsysop
@drsysop Ай бұрын
AM Radio. Shortwave Radio. CB Radio including the Free Band has been awful last few days here in North America & this storm will continue.
@Jeff-sp7bg
@Jeff-sp7bg Ай бұрын
It has been good for the past week now irs back to nothing. Ive been on 38 lsb call freq
@user-wo6qn3vf9n
@user-wo6qn3vf9n 18 күн бұрын
Are they? I get quite a lot on the SW bands.
@MrDschubba
@MrDschubba Ай бұрын
Sounds like Steve and David need to ease up on the ciggies. Interesting stuff thanks
@lomgshorts3
@lomgshorts3 Ай бұрын
There is no mystery here at all !! This has happened many times in the past, just as severe. Hams have come to expect this every Solar Max.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 Ай бұрын
High solar cycles help conditions. X rays from solar flares do not. A little bit of enhancement to the ionosphere is good. Storms are bad.
@MrFreddarama
@MrFreddarama 23 күн бұрын
Dead? The bands seemed active where im at on 20 thru 6 meters.
@evischlee5578
@evischlee5578 Ай бұрын
Das Problem ist das man nirgends mehr eine Antenne aufbauen darf.
@centurionC100
@centurionC100 19 күн бұрын
Because there are few licensed HF operators and 20% listed are dead, 60% don't use their HF license, and the last 20% are only on occasionally. Ham radio is not growing, it is not dead, however it is stagnate and has been for decades. Band conditions have nothing to do with it.
@Jeff-sp7bg
@Jeff-sp7bg 14 күн бұрын
Yes it does have to do with conditions when the HF bands are open 10 meters and 11 meters especially 27.385 calling frequency is absolutely slammed from sunup to sundown and sometimes at night. When theres poor conditions like now. Theres zilch. That makes no sense at all
@DellFargus
@DellFargus Ай бұрын
Aurora Borealis!? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your kitchen!?
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
Yes champ
@DellFargus
@DellFargus Ай бұрын
@@HamRadioDX May I see it?
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
@@DellFargus All gone
@TaylorHamRadio
@TaylorHamRadio Ай бұрын
They aren't dead, they're just taking a nap. A really long nap....
@skyking6989
@skyking6989 Ай бұрын
It's ATROCIOUS. I can't even get out on ft8.
@Jeff-sp7bg
@Jeff-sp7bg Ай бұрын
Ft 8 doesnt even count
@skyking6989
@skyking6989 Ай бұрын
@Jeff-sp7bg oh boy here we go..🙄
@lostinspace280
@lostinspace280 7 күн бұрын
OK I got to ask, Why do you think HF bands are bad?? I am here to tell you they are not, still making all of the contacts I want using QRP power and CW mode.
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX 7 күн бұрын
This video was dated from a month ago, as described in the video... the bands were dead due to the solar ejection from the sun.
@lostinspace280
@lostinspace280 6 күн бұрын
@@HamRadioDX My mistake, Yes we did have solar interuptions, It was still fun getting on the bands with voice and make a few contacts, with it being erratic where most of the time a QSO took along time because of the need of repeats and times of total black out. CW was very intresting, could make contacts during that time, but was hit amd miss.
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX 6 күн бұрын
@@lostinspace280 Yeah it seems to be back to normal now. So DX has been good in your location?
@regularguy519
@regularguy519 Ай бұрын
Yep. It was dead! Yay first!
@MidlifeRenaissanceMan
@MidlifeRenaissanceMan Ай бұрын
Dead on arrival :-)
@HamRadioDX
@HamRadioDX Ай бұрын
1st!
@MidlifeRenaissanceMan
@MidlifeRenaissanceMan Ай бұрын
🏆
@briankleinschmidt3664
@briankleinschmidt3664 Ай бұрын
As opposed to low frequency? No. FM is much better. Most of your radio stations are on high frequency wavelengths because AM suffers so much interference.
@eyeinidas
@eyeinidas Ай бұрын
Like giant solar pimples popping and throwing junk at us.
@Jeff-sp7bg
@Jeff-sp7bg Ай бұрын
Ive seen the sfi at 220+ and the k was 1 k 1. I heard nothing. Zilch. In my opinion those numbers are worthless
@tmastersat
@tmastersat 24 күн бұрын
Not if your on gmrs.....
@MightySpaceman
@MightySpaceman Ай бұрын
5:55 I think he needs a throat lozenge
@cariboooutlaw4852
@cariboooutlaw4852 Ай бұрын
That's Backscatter skip.
@MightySpaceman
@MightySpaceman Ай бұрын
@@cariboooutlaw4852 yeah it was a joke
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Ай бұрын
Check out "Aurora Propagation on 6 Meters Keith’s Ham Radio World" - he has a video of turning his antenna from a direct contact to auroral and back again.
@donausmus4281
@donausmus4281 Ай бұрын
The record auroras are an indication of our own weakening magnetic field and our own inevitable pole shift by 2050.
@jameskaras4345
@jameskaras4345 Ай бұрын
cq from hell hahahahahahaha
@OldCanadianguy953
@OldCanadianguy953 19 күн бұрын
There’s no mystery. Hams have become lazy, they’re all on FT8 instead of picking up a mic or a key. 73s.
@dronenuts1156
@dronenuts1156 Ай бұрын
Why is it nobody is talking about haarp? Its even on their website that the experiments can cause auroras, they transmit between 2.8 - 10mhz and amateurs are encouraged to follow along and send signal reports. The experiments were to run 8-10th may coinciding with the auroras. Nobody in amateur radio is talking about this and you all seem to think its a natural phenomenon
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 Ай бұрын
Did you not see the CME from the sun? People saw it happen and gave a warning it was going to hit earth.
@noimnotarobotcanubeleiveit7024
@noimnotarobotcanubeleiveit7024 Ай бұрын
America should stop messing around with the planets atmosphere. It belongs to us all
@Philip-KA4KOE
@Philip-KA4KOE Ай бұрын
Activated. Only made 33 qsos via ft8.
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