Unqualified Pilot's Illegal Flight Is His Last!

[@pilot-debrief]

I should have mentioned that the pilots were NOT wearing their restraints. Otherwise they likely would have survived the crash. Check out another pilot whose WORST mistake was his last in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2mZo4iXiJqAobs

[@ArchimedesDaVinci]

*D A N G E R* According to his most recent posts uploaded to this platform *Caution* _WARNING_ *_Advisory_* Disgraced social media _"influencer"_ and convicted felon *Trevor Jacob* has had his pilot's license reinstated by the FAA and he's back in the air again!

[@presspound7358]

Glad you mentioned the seat belts because I couldn’t understand why they had died given the relative good shape of the cockpit exterior. The level of amateurism was eye opening.

[@not_listening2792]

@@presspound7358 I watched the video and am aghast at what happened. It seemed like they took it as a challenge to break every FAR possible.

[@oxxnarrdflame8865]

I was going to comment these pilot were incompetent, but they were just boobs.

[@cremebrulee4759]

Not wearing their restraints?! I don't even know what to say.

[@davidp2888]

The levels of incompetence is staggering.

[@Slowhiker-xw2kp]

No, you just can't fix stupid!

[@raymondo162]

It's WORSE than incompetence......... they flew knowing the brakes were f u

[@sparthyslaysstuff2405]

Criminal gross negligence is more like it.

[@stickyfox]

I thought it was amazing how many drivers don't think to grab the parking brake in a car. I never imagined a pilot would make that mistake!

[@buggerlugz6753]

Happens a lot in modern America.

[@csbiro]

How Steve survived for 66 years with this kid of attitude is small miracle itself.

[@GizmoMaltese]

Yeah, it's like oh I forgot to tell you that the brakes don't work.

[@vixman3546]

How did they manage to stop the plane in the previous flights? Unbelievable.

[@johnschlottman619]

Nah. There's a reason they retire people our from airlines. At 60, the chances of ... well, just gets beyond acceptable. Why aren't 50% of 🏎️ racecar drivers over 60, for that matter? Probably not for lack of motivation to drive fast ... maybe in part for 'sudden unintentional nap time', etc.

[@GizmoMaltese]

@@johnschlottman619 Race car driving is very physically demanding because of the G forces. And they're competing against the best drivers. That doesn't mean they're still not great drivers. They're just not at the peak levels you need to compete. Flying a plane is not a competition.

[@pimacanyon6208]

he looks a lot older. prolly had a few close calls that quickly aged him

[@salbers]

I gained flight hours working for a flight school/135 charter company in preparation for an airline career. The geriatric owners regularly attempted to cut corners. My consistent response was to IMMEDIATELY report them to the FAA who would send an inspector to get the problems fixed without identifying me. Back then the FAA was the best government agency there was.

[@dash0173]

That’s awesome. Good for you. My mom is a nurse practitioner and she has reported far too many doctors committing malpractice than you’d ever hope to hear about.

[@TheReadBaron91]

Common issue

[@jsj297]

@@dash0173no she doesn’t . 🤦‍♂️

[@dash0173]

@@jsj297 what

[@timrockman7]

Back in the 60s the Air force was for some reason flying huge transport jets over our neighborhood at fairly low altitudes at 3:AM so loud it made silverware jingle in our kitchen. My Dad was a retired officer who served in WW-2. He called the FFA about the flights and they stopped immediately.

[@ir655]

I am in shock! I went to that flight school for my SE/IR/ME/IR/CPL. A lot of shady things were going on already back in 2001 when I was a student and also worked at the front desk part-time. Steve would ask me to fly people around to different destinations once I had my PPL and was working on my IR and CPL. I was 16 at the time and didn't realize what he was doing, illegal air chartering. Making money off of me in the name of time building and charging the people I would fly around. How they were able to keep their permits as a school and 135 operator till this point is beyond me. That place was a ticking time-bomb. Oh, and Tim, Steves son, was a car mechanic at the time I was a student there, but working on planes to get his A&P. I had my share of scary moments in the school planes since Tim would sign off all kinds of work without a real A&P, even knowing what was done or if it was correctly done. Tim is lying, and Travis is lying. They were doing these kinds of bullshit illegal flights back then as well on the down-low.

[@alisonwilson9749]

Did you report them though? That's the thing, see, people don't. But we all should. This daft notion of 'not telling on people' is corrosive, and prevents the regulators doing their job- which is keeping the rest of us safe from the morons out there, like those pilots.

[@Starfish2145]

Please send this information into the FAA so they shut that school down

[@kevinb3812]

Thanks for the insight! Wow!

[@chrisruf7590]

Was it an anti authority attitude?

[@secondchance6603]

@@chrisruf7590 More likely a $$$ attitude.

[@flyprdu]

I worked briefly for Clearwater Aviation in the early 2000s. Shady doesn't begin to describe it.

[@MaxxPwrrr]

Did you report what you observed?

[@MKwan82]

So are they hiring?

[@ebolawarrior451]

@@MaxxPwrrr If he didn't then he just admitted to being part of the problem.

[@MaxxPwrrr]

@@ebolawarrior451 exactly.

[@swapshots4427]

Did you report them?

[@robertknight5429]

No pilot's license, but a big Darwin award.

[@TheFulcrum2000]

Too late, he had two sons.

[@thewisewolf768]

@@TheFulcrum2000 Who seem to be readily carrying on his legacy of incompetence and lying.

[@bragiodinsen4604]

flying a plane with a big yellow sticker that says "brakes no work"

[@Cpt_Adama]

As a commercial pilot for over 30 years, it's unbelievable this could happen in today's day and age. Sad that the FAA is trying to cover up their role in the proceedings too.

[@Riverrockphotos]

They always do.

[@jonmcfarmer6954]

But are you surprised that FAA covers their a..? FAA is as usefull as a bike to a fish! It's my experience.

[@Deontjie]

Just as in every other state institution, idiots are getting hired.

[@TheBillyBowlegs]

Yes! The FAA normally does a pretty good job in preventing accidents. If they don’t let you take off, you’ll find it much more difficult to crash! #DefundTheFAA

[@fuhkerz]

​@Riverrockphotos Lately, sure. But there are plenty of accident reports from years ago where the NTSB would chastise the FAA for lack of oversight or inaction. But bureaucrats gonna bureaucrat, I suppose.

[@desmondjefferson2127]

Steve reminds me of the submarine guy who didn't think engineering safety didn't apply to him.

[@p0xus]

They were both (persumably) wealthy owners of companies! If you're rich, you can't be wrong!

[@SalocinDotTEN]

yes eerily similar to Stockton Rush.

[@silversurf6159]

@@p0xus Like Trump ? 🤔😆

[@p0xus]

@@silversurf6159Trump is totally different! He is, like, the super genius of all time! /s

[@swapshots4427]

Actually he did think that.

[@controversialrebel5639]

Couldn't have happened to two more deserving guys. I sincerely hope the two passengers made a full recovery.

[@arinerm1331]

As a young teen, I rode a 10-speed bicycle with no brakes, and in a hilly area, no less. My only defense is that I carried no paying passengers. Also, I was stupid when I was a young teen.

[@WhatIsLife711]

😃

[@PInk77W1]

In my defense I was left alone and it was a full moon

[@ozziecrosby2092]

I used to do the same thing!! I would just stick my foot on to the top of the tire!!🤣👍 Ahhh the good ole days 😂

[@arinerm1331]

@@ozziecrosby2092 I stopped by putting my right foot down with the bicycle pedal behind my calf while standing on the left pedal. You can imagine how quickly I wore all the tread off the bottom of my right shoe.

[@arinerm1331]

@@PInk77W1 Or, "It was New Year's Eve and it seemed like a good idea at the time."

[@goneflying140]

This is insane. As a passenger, how could you even protect yourself? These 2 pilots had a death wish. I'm just glad the passengers survived.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

Stay away from private / charter aviation? Airlines are regulated completely differently from charter operations.

[@williamford9564]

Don't get on a plane. I haven't been on one since 2005 and the more I see of this stuff, not only on private planes but crashes and near misses on the major airlines, I say keep my foot on the ground. If I can't go by car, I don't go. Period.

[@sludge8506]

@@williamford9564 Turn in your man card. As Hoover has stated, champ, you are in more danger on the drive to the airport than you are on your flight. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@PsRohrbaughthere are good private and charter outfits and bad ones. Just like there. Are good airlines and bad ones. Doesn’t make a difference. There are idiots in every branch of an industry. I remember in the early 2000’s a Delta Captain of a B767 was caught without a commercial pilots certificate. Had flown with Delta for decades. Always talked his way out of having to show his certificate.

[@Theottbear]

@@sludge8506😂🎉

[@Deeplycloseted435]

This doesn’t seem like the kind of family that should have ever been in this kind of business. WTF?

[@oldestgamer]

Typical southern cracker company, worked for many businesses like this when I lived in Norfolk.

[@daveriley6310]

Wow! After 55 years of being a professional pilot, having made errors and seen some outrageously stupid things, I still could not have imagined that anyone in aviation could be as irresponsible as these two pilots and the two Fox sons.

[@DerekJohnson-us7vy]

Don't trust anyone or anything called Fox, I guess.

[@TranscendianIntendor]

The son of Pappy Gunn, the owner of a Philippines "airlines" ran a couple or three Beech 18s based in Manila eventually worked under General Kenny and did more than anyone to make the aircraft available in that Pacific theater effective by turning them all into low flying attack planes with forward firing machine guns anywhere they could be fitted. He begged borrowed and stole guns he installed and had the mechanics beside him install had a son who took over the business post war after pancaking the Beech 18 he was flying below minimums as he tended to do in order to navigate by landmarks and even the stink of a dead cow. He the son Nate continued to fly without ever himself even achieving the legality of any license in that part of the world. Title of the book I am referring to is Indestructible by John R. BruNiNg 2016 There are other books with stories of Pappy Gunn and his family and what they endured in a Japanese concentration camp. I'd have to reread the book to get any more detailed but I do take close note whenever reading of pilots who fly without licensure. I have had dreams wherein I fly planes I am not qualified to fly. I was allowed to fly left seat a DC-6 for two hours once. I seem to remember that you pull back on the throttle while pushing in a button to feather if the engine fails. It has been 4 decades.

[@kevinwebster7868]

Really? It seems to be a pretty common theme across all of aviation.

[@MR-ub6sq]

What kind of animal do you think a fox is? If a man lives up to his name... LOL

[@BROKEN-PILOT]

I've seen worse.

[@BuckeyeStormsProductions]

Trying to scoop my jaw off the floor after this one. This surpasses sheer ignorance, or arrogance and edges into sociopathic.

[@landahoy5217]

I hope your jaw is ok?

[@philyew3617]

How do you arrive at Sociopathic? It was Blatantly Criminal behaviour. If the details in this video are accurate, both Son's should be serving life for numerous Capital Offences, including Negligent Homicide! And never forget, Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[@BuckeyeStormsProductions]

"Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others. People with antisocial personality disorder tend to purposely make others angry or upset and manipulate or treat others harshly or with cruel indifference. They lack remorse or do not regret their behavior. People with antisocial personality disorder often violate the law, becoming criminals." -Mayo Clinic

[@pallemaniac]

I feel some OceanGate vibes 😬

[@codysp]

The perfect definition of gross negligence. You can't make this shit up... 🤦‍♂️

[@bloomingale7868]

Reckless endangerment, greed and Willful disregard as apply here.

[@kcindc5539]

Wow. Steve was a real piece of work wasn’t he? He deliberately put everyone’s life at risk (in so many ways) but the most tragic in knowing but failing to disclose the inop brakes. No wonder he clammed up during the landing.

[@JB-uk7mn]

You meet a sociopath like him, you get hell out of there

[@ryanwhite4912]

And all for money.

[@ThePaulv12]

I'll do a Dan Gryder and say Darwin was on his game here today.

[@xxwookey]

Including his own, which seems an odd decision. Why go flying in a plane where you know the brakes are bust, without at least checking that the pilot knows how to use the thrust reversers and or backup systems?

[@kcindc5539]

@@ThePaulv12 😝

[@linkmaxwell]

There's a level where incompetence & negligence crosses over into actual evil. Steve absolutely blew past that threshold and took innocent people with him.

[@bloomingale7868]

Reckless and willful disregard for the lives of others as well as greed.

[@David-j7c6w]

I wonder how many illegal flights happen every year. This makes me scared to fly now .

[@kevinkline7242]

There are a lot more reasons not to fly than fly. The reason so many people that fly is they think they are important.

[@kadrix732]

​​@@kevinkline7242No, you idiot, that's not why people fly. We fly because it's the fastest mode of transportation. It's also safer than land vehicles if done properly.

[@kortisbraun9798]

Don't be scared to fly.

[@DrummerJacob]

@@kevinkline7242 Thats the dumbest thing I think Ive ever heard. Air travel is far safer than cars, much faster, and brings you to places you cant get with a car. People dont fly to feel important, thats just you projecting your own immature opinion. Thats probably something that you did once and now you think everyone else does it. People dont want to spend a week driving a car 18 hours a day to get from one side of the country to the other. Also, for most people, time is money. If youre broke, of course youre salty that people can afford to travel, they have better things to do with their time than take slow methods of travel that arent even as safe. Its genuinely confusing to me how you could say something so stupid. I personally fly because I work on cruise ships and I cant get to Italy or Australia from the USA by car or train. If you have any suggestions, please let me know how I should get to the Philippines where I have family, and how I should get to the U.K. where I often go to join ships. Moron.

[@mopnem]

@@kevinkline7242I understand flying fear but yr comment sounds like something the fam in the vid would probably say.. in other words so dumb/ridiculous

[@musashi4856]

Unbelievable! It's a rare case when the violators alone pay the ultimate price and the victims avoid becoming collateral damage.

[@pimacanyon6208]

I suspect the victims were not happy about crashing even though they survived. They may have ended up with injuries that permanently altered their quality of life for the rest of their lives.

[@eriklarson9137]

@@pimacanyon6208 WOW!! Thanks for sharing. That was not at all obvious.

[@pimacanyon6208]

@@eriklarson9137 sarcasm. the best way to make you feel better about yourself.

[@Asylar343]

Thankfully, it seems the passengers have made a full recovery, or at least close enough to walk unassisted. Even held a breakfast to thank first responders.

[@snowmiaow]

The customers were injured

[@billsmith5166]

Hard to believe this happened. This is a strange thing to say about someone with serious injuries but those passengers were incredibly lucky.

[@DebbieOnTheSpot]

Epstein island

[@pilot-debrief]

Absolutely! They could have easily crashed for other reasons before they made it to their destination.

[@DebbieOnTheSpot]

@@pilot-debrief like what bill Clinton did in mena

[@WaytogoEinstein]

@@DebbieOnTheSpotWow. What the heck does any of that have to do with this crash? Find the right forum to air your garbage please.

[@GeekBoyMN]

​@@DebbieOnTheSpotWhat are you even going on about?

[@sandcrushlove]

Crazy seeing footage of the crash and thinking to myself "Suuuurely that was survivable". Kind of curious what injuries were sustained in such a crash. Gives me comfort that at least the lady and her husband survived as they had nothing to do with this tragedy.

[@sludge8506]

The pilots were not wearing any restraints.

[@pep590]

@@sludge8506 Exactly. They were total MORONS till the end. No doubt they bounced off of the windshield.

[@griam7641]

It’s just inconceivable that anyone would even attempt a flight like this…..

[@pilot-debrief]

I don’t know what goes through someone’s head that makes them think to do things like this.

[@JBliehall]

@@pilot-debrief Money.

[@normanboyd]

@@pilot-debrief I risk sounding like a troll here, but 50% of the people out there are below median intelligence. Sounds like a really stupid thing to say, but is true.

[@talesfromtheleashexpatdogl1426]

GREED

[@julianbrelsford]

@normanboyd for all I know both pilots might have been able to get really high IQ scores, but that wouldn't measure their ability to operate a business safely/legally and to use common sense to prevent an easily avoidable airplane crash. (By easily avoidable I mean, one could decide not to fly on a day that both pilots are underqualified for their current role and the airplane has a major safety defect)

[@billyrocket62]

I'm just glad that these 2 criminals have been removed from any further aviation activities forever. I hope that the FAA keeps a very close eye on the 2 sons, because I would not be surprised if they are just like their father.

[@donaldsalkovick396]

Wow tough guy smearing a dead guy and his family

[@OldManAndTheSeaOfTooManyCats]

@@donaldsalkovick396I’d like to know the status of the legal actions against the companies because what occurred is obviously actionable.

[@notapplicable430]

@@donaldsalkovick396 Shut up, Donald.

[@ir655]

@@OldManAndTheSeaOfTooManyCats seems they got sued by the 2 passengers for their estate accoring to a news article, outcome unknown though.

[@eisbeinGermany]

@@donaldsalkovick396 yes it sounds harsh,but sadly true, if thy survived the crash they would be sued for every cent thy have,

[@maxpeterson8616]

I appreciate that you're not letting anyone off the hook here.

[@edugam7623]

I am not a pilot nor do I work in the aeronautical industry, but What an Excellent Channel!!! These lessons can be applied in all aspects of life. Thank you very much from Colombia.

[@thatguyalex2835]

I am not a pilot or aeronautical guy either, but the video was good. It is sad how nobody was following directions. The lessons here are to be honest, and if one is not competent, do not fly. :) Nice to see folks from around the world watching Pilot Debrief.

[@MrGhostwhowalks]

You’re right. Hoover is great in doing these

[@norduferhandel4512]

As a retired A&P from a major airline the state of most charter and flight schools operations scare the hell out of me. I would be very careful about picking either a flight school or charter operator to fly with.

[@williamholden4312]

Thank you.

[@GTFour]

How does one pick a good one?

[@norduferhandel4512]

Depending on where you live I would visit each flight school and inspect their facilities and classrooms plus their hanger and maintenance then start asking other pilots and aircraft owners, read the reviews but don't base everything on just internet reviews. Plus appearances are not a good representation of any flight school dig down and see how the instructors come across, some instructors are just building time and are a so so instructor. Alot of pilots are great pilots because of their instructors, some are naturals and some shouldn't be behind the controls.

[@sar4x474]

Every time I have a shred of a thought of getting a private pilots license, I watch your videos.

[@bingbong4848]

😂

[@tombristowe846]

Me too. Only 5 days ago a pilot died at my local airfield, Duxford, here in the UK. It is being said that it was pilot error but not confirmed yet. I've sometimes toyed with the idea of a PPL but I feel that I wouldn't be a natural pilot so it's probably best to leave it alone. The most tragic part of these videos is when the pilot's friends and family die with them.

[@billfinn9536]

Can you imagine being afraid to request help from the air traffic controllers because you’re too embarrassed? Yuh gotta be kiddin me?

[@germanfisch]

I mean as long as you're not as dumb as the people in the videos you can get a license

[@TormodSteinsholt]

You can get a very good PC flight sim experience though. With the luxury of pausing and walking away scot free always.

[@SpottinPlanesForLife]

This crash happened at my home town airport KGMU years ago, I actually visited this crash with my parents and I was surprised to see that the engines were still running after the crash. This video helps alot cause I never knew how it crashed back then.

[@SpottinPlanesForLife]

@Pilot-_Debrief stupid bot

[@Borzoi86]

If I remember correctly the responding crash crew had to scramble and figure out how to cut the fuel to one or more engines. Glad the pax survived but sorry for their injuries.

[@Frisconangus]

I was conducting an Annual Fire Sprinkler Inspection at Haywood Reserve Apts. I used Airport Rd while traveling to a supply house and encountered the plane crash. There was one vehicle already there. I parked and approached the plane on foot. I saw no movement in the cockpit, the engines were still running. The Fire Dept had not arrived, I did not see any way to get inside due to damage. I spoke with the guy that was already there. It was decided we needed to stay back in case it caught fire. I went back and moved my truck so it would not impede the Fire Trucks when they arrived.

[@bitsofgeek]

This happened just down the road from me in Greenville. The info coming out of the investigation was absolutely infuriating, thank you for covering it.

[@pilot-debrief]

You’re welcome!

[@WarrenPostma]

This is wild. IT tells me that I can not trust any private "putatively part 135" charter company (or flight school) in the USA because the good ones and bad ones live in peace together, undisturbed by FAA oversight. Someone, or a whole bunch of someones at the FAA were not doing their job.

[@pimacanyon6208]

@@WarrenPostma yep. the moral of the story is never ever be a passenger on a part 135 charter company airplane.

[@fr57ujf]

You are one of the best technical narrators on KZbin. Great job.

[@markbryan9989]

It seems that "Rules don't apply to me" attitude has become pandemic. There is no room in aviation for people like this. I sincerely hope the passengers have a full recovery and sue Steve's estate into oblivion.

[@EuroScot2023]

This would appear to be a company overseen from Mar-a-Lago.

[@ostrich67]

@@v1rotation But mostly the rich and powerful. The rest of us know better.

[@paulrhodesquinn]

@@EuroScot2023Nice!

[@BigDickMark]

Your accident debriefs are top notch. I'm learning so much and I'm a better pilot because of it. Thank you!!

[@pilot-debrief]

Glad to hear! I appreciate that!

[@jcheck6]

@@pilot-debrief I agree with Tim, clear and concise reporting as all of your videos are. As ex military/retired airline and now private pilot, am shaking my head that this stuff goes on with the unsuspecting public.

[@billthecat129]

They are not accident debriefs ...they are crash debriefs....accident infers unavoidable and unforeseeable

[@BigDickMark]

@@billthecat129 I looked up the definition of accident. Here's what I found: "an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap" Are you suggestion these pilots intended to crash the plane and kill themselves?

[@eisbeinGermany]

they did it 4 the dollars and were not intrested in safety@@BigDickMark

[@TradieTrev]

This reminds me of some bloke taken paying customers down on his DIY rig with an xbox controller to go see the titanic!

[@williammrdeza9445]

This is just crazy! How are we, as paying customers, supposed to know and protect ourselves from such incompetency? Thanks for delving into this incident for us, Hoover.

[@relaxingwindow6137]

Accept that jet charter is expensive and go with a well known operator.

[@johnstudd4245]

I'm sure many of theses charter operations are conducted in a safe an legal manner......but....as many times as we see the NTSB reports of crashes with this kind of, or similar nonsense going on, or just plain really bad piloting, it makes you wonder. Just like crime, when you see some of it exposed and brought to justice, you know it is just the tip of the iceberg, and there is a lot more going on that no one ever knows about. In the case of aviation they get away with if most of the time, but once in a while the roll of the dice produces snake eyes.

[@fredispena-fp5uk]

e3

[@reyray7184]

Buyer beware. There's a responsibility on the buyer to do due diligence.

[@sledawgpilot]

If you noticed the screenshot of the FAA site, they listed all approved 135 operators. That’s a start

[@nottiification]

Makes you wonder how many times they got away with similar stunts.

[@Redridge07]

@notification Tons, the video said the Fox, the acting co-plot had been on 4 recent flights in this aircraft with the brakes inoperable.

[@Three60Mafia]

more importantly, how many more private charters are operating in similar, fast-n-loose with regulations/safety manner

[@singleproppilot]

@@Three60MafiaMost of them.

[@followyourbliss101]

makes you assume this is not an isolated case and that there's plenty more 'foxes' out there risking everyone's lives

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

have you seen the "deviation spiral" concept Hoover shows in other videos (the Dallas air show crash one, for example, iirc)? you break the rules a little, nothing bad happens, you're now confident to break the rules some more, the cycle repeats and suddenly you're wrapping a fresh corpse in a carpet and dropping it off a bridge

[@cgnicolis]

Gotta love the 1 star Google review with the pic of the guy in a hospital bed!

[@angelzipp]

That's not one of those cases, where the "the holes in the layers of cheese" overlapped, to create the perfect environment for an accident. They simply drilled through that cheese, like asking for an accident. It's hard to imagine that a such level of incompetency and criminal attitude exists. And... the worst part is no customer can see behind the wall of lies and deception created on their website.

[@thomasdalton1508]

Yes, the Swiss Cheese model assumes everyone is acting in good faith, but occasionally makes mistakes. If you have criminals on the right deck then that isn't a hole in the cheese, that's several whole layers of cheese that are completely missing.

[@glasshalffull2930]

If they had survived and a passenger had died, they could easily have been charged with negligent homicide (murder).

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@glasshalffull2930 The sons that were involved and survived could still be charged. Maybe not with homicide, since the only casualties were their co-conspirators, but there are various offences that would apply.

[@glasshalffull2930]

@@thomasdalton1508 As sloppy as things were done there, I’m sure there is some falsification of FAA records, etc. Not sure if a subordinate (albeit a relative) could be charged because of the reckless actions of a superior, but I wouldn’t be surprised if additional info came out showing further culpability.

[@thomasdalton1508]

@@glasshalffull2930 If no-one from the FAA ever checked the records then they might not have bothered to falsify them. You can only be held responsible for your own actions or actions jointly taken, but that can include being part of a conspiracy even if you didn't do anything yourself other than helping with the plan. The son responsible for the maintenance was almost certainly involved in the crimes, though - if the plane was only 60% of the way through an overhaul and wasn't intended to be flown then it would have been in pieces scattered around the maintenance hanger. It was clearly reassembled despite the work not being complete so it could be flown. The son doing the maintenance should be criminally liable for that.

[@DanRoett]

It's unfortunate that something like this could even happen. Thank God the passengers survived physically, but in the long term, they may never heal.

[@CarbonOwl993]

True

[@bermchasin]

it just shows not every "accident" is preventable. Sadly, sometimes people are so stupid and wreckless that they will attempt everything to off themselves

[@eisbeinGermany]

it went about the money ,@@bermchasin

[@eisbeinGermany]

i shot myself in my right leg in 1979, and since then it still haunts me, so I agree, the bullet hit the wall, and the shrapnel went 4 times through the dog, luckily he survived, but after that he was a reck,slighest banging/cracker sound and he would whimper, my mother had luckily stood up just a few seconds before that or if she didn't the bullet would of gone through her stomach, and surviving a plane crash must be a 1000000 times worse,

[@Josh-ui8rk]

As a student pilot working to obtain his PPL, thank you for another informative video, Hoover! I was considering Clearwater Aviation as my flight school but was deterred upon hearing about this accident. Btw, I believe Travis still works there. Keep making great videos man. I aspire to be as knowledgeable about aviation as you one day ✈️

[@jimsdad3739]

Incredible story and incredible that investigators managed to find all that information and piece it together. I hope the passengers are going to fully recover.

[@swanseamale47]

It's scary to wonder just how many more companies there are operating like this. Great video mate.

[@mikearakelian6368]

It's a wonder how this went on for so long....

[@eriklarson9137]

@@BarefootBrothersDrive What did the FAA say when you reported him?

[@BarefootBrothersDrive]

@@eriklarson9137 I did not report him

[@BarefootBrothersDrive]

@@eriklarson9137 I did not report anything but would never use them

[@peep_show8037]

We'll see in further debriefs 😅

[@imisskatelyn9517]

I have a small airport without a tower near me and a bunch of inexperienced pilots who take shrouds off of their planes to start flying again every spring. I hear them gun their engines and at other times drastically reduce the power to them when they fly overhead as if they are doing some type of stall training but I don't know because it's not my area of knowledge. All I know is I don't feel comfortable especially after seeing how overconfidence, bravado, cockiness, inexperience, tunnel vison, poorly maintained equipment and bad weather all contribute to far too many crashes. Great channel.

[@UnknownUser-j3n]

I really can empathize with you. Though i live in a small town and the nearest airport is about 40 km away. We hardly ever get a plane flying over our town. But i just totally hate the type of situation that you are in. An innocent man, or family being put in a hazard for no reason whatsoever. Especially the "leisure flying".

[@tangojuli209]

What do you bet that steve was one of those people raging about useless govt regulators?

[@rs7656]

Both were. Getting rid of any and all regulators is Conservative's and Trump's wet dream.

[@flyingfalcon8999]

Regs are only good if people follow them.

[@mikewysko2268]

​@@rs7656tds is boring.

[@rippen1982]

​@rs7656 Trump living rent free in your lil hollow head. Point to what regs Trump removed to allow this to happen. You dolt. 😂

[@FRLN500]

@@rs7656 Your comment is just as stupid as a conservative saying that Biden wants to take away all civilian owned guns.

[@BoxofRain-ff4td]

Not a pilot, don’t fly, but you present this content in a very compelling, engaging manner. It’s very interesting

[@JasonSpasoff]

This is sheer madness... Thankful to hear the passengers survived the crash!

[@eisbeinGermany]

but will be recks for evermore,

[@beckyshep]

I think both pilots deserve the Darwin Award. Great job pointing failures, as most crashes are a series of mistakes. Glad the passengers survived. Keep up the briefs as it’s better to learn from other people’s mistakes than make your own.

[@Gantiz]

Fox can't get the Darwin Award, he already reproduced, spreading his genius to his sons

[@amorphousblob2721]

Darwin Awards only go to people who leave no descendants.

[@swagfailscar]

I briefly worked for Clearwater Aviation in the early 2000s. "Shady" doesn't even come close to describing it.

[@TheV8nissan]

I went from working on 767/757 as an aircraft mechanic to corporate aviation and was shocked at how little regulation and how fly by night much of it seemed. I went back to heavies lol.

[@eric7591]

I briefly flew for a scarily similar flight school and FBO owner. He would cut any corners he possibly could. I found out he was having his flight instructors fly passengers for hire, even though he was not part 135. He did all kinds of illegal things. I quit very quickly once I saw those things.

[@douglaswhitcomb9729]

Excellent decision!

[@clementegarcia4261]

Excellent? The pilot quit due to the short cuts……along with quitting, he should have self reported the operations practices. That would have protected himself from litigation and shutdown the aviation company.

[@charlotteinnocent8752]

I hope you did report him. I am aghast. I am actually really surprised that someone could get away with that for so long, or maybe I am just more naive to have never seen this? I have lived outside the US for a few decades now. Please tell me this kind of madness is a recent development!

[@DavidSmith-ss1cg]

@@clementegarcia4261 -- Not necessarily. Haven't you heard about the war on whistleblowers? Ever heard of Julian Assange?

[@singleproppilot]

The thing is, if you blow the whistle on your former employer, you have to be able to prove that you played no part in their shenanigans and were totally above reproach, which is tough when they’re the ones telling you what to do and signing your paycheck. I knew an A&P that turned his employer in to the FAA. They thanked him for his information and then suspended his certificate, because he had played along and done the work they asked him to do, some of which was illegal. The fact that he snitched did not protect him from certificate action.

[@gearjamor]

First responders reported that all three engines were operating at full power for at least 20 minutes AFTER the accident with, one engine running until about 40 minutes after the accident.

[@desertengineer1]

That’s scary. They are supposed to have procedures for this. Direct spray into the engine is supposed to flame it out and stop a major fire risk.

[@andybrown6981]

whatever that engine was connected to would surely hurl along the ground being at full power

[@seriouscat2231]

@@andybrown6981, you really know or are just guessing?

[@barrybecker3706]

Thank you, Hoover, for always providing a professional, thorough analysis of these preventable accidents.

[@pilot-debrief]

Absolutely! That’s always my goal!

[@Flies2FLL]

Aviation is not dangerous. Much like the sea, it is simply very unforgiving of any carelessness or neglect-

[@spvillano]

Aviation is hazardous, with multiple mitigations set in place to reduce the hazards as close to zero as possible. Hence, why when those mitigations are ignored or removed, things far too frequently turn lethal.

[@m.f.m.67]

It's also unforgiving of greed. When they say it's not about the money, it's ALWAYS about the money.

[@Flies2FLL]

@@m.f.m.67 +1!

[@charliesashtadhyayi9152]

It's very dangerous, and that's a mis-quote of Lindberg.

[@Flies2FLL]

@@charliesashtadhyayi9152 Wrong. Alfred Gilmer Lamplugh said it. I paraphrased slightly. And no, aviation is not dangerous.

[@CoachFromL4D2]

I hardly trust a car that sat for 4 years, let alone a damn airplane

[@lauragalvan6285]

With all the heck the FAA is giving me to become licensed at the private pilot stage I am shocked to hear something like this can happen! Respect the skies folks!

[@ajmartineau8221]

Nothing shocks me anymore.

[@robertalan4717]

Good luck in your journey to be a pilot. It is something that I always wanted but I'm probably too old and my eyes aren't that good anymore.

[@johnharris7191]

I have seen a lot of aviation videos and this is definitely one of the most incompetent disasters. I love your channel.

[@rogerwilco2]

This seemed not to have been incompetence but actual malice. From the reports here in the comments the Fox family has been ignoring rules on purpose for decades. This time it fatally caught up with one of them.

[@susanmoore7229]

The family business was clearly more interested in making money than their own safety or that of their passengers. I’m more staggered they were able to get away with these illegal practices for so many years. Scary

[@jochenheiden]

This is some third world crap here. Shocking.

[@Joe-jc5ol]

Hey! As a citizen of a third world country I take offense. We're not that incompetent :D Ok maybe we are. Never mind...

[@jochenheiden]

@@Joe-jc5ol yeah third world is trash.

[@Luke_275]

@@Joe-jc5olhaha, it’s just a mere trope. I can’t speak for the OP but I’d imagine no disrespect was intended.

[@Redridge07]

@@Luke_275 What? He equates incompetency with the third world and yet you say no disrespect was intended. You need to start thinking more.

[@Luke_275]

@@Redridge07 learn the definition of trope then look at the reaction of someone from the ‘third world’. You’d do better to learn social dynamics. And. I’ll do as I wish.

[@JBliehall]

Your presentation is so very professional. You state the facts as just that-facts. The intonation in your voice adds to the story telling and suspense. I'm not a pilot and still get my morning coffee and click on your website first, not to hear of fatal plane crashes, but rather to attempt (even at the age of 81) to understand human nature and motivations. I am constantly perplexed at how so many people can set common sense aside and put their and other's lives at risk. Stay happy and healthy and safe. No one is here forever.

[@RachelFox-fi7ci]

Facts are supposed to be 100% truth. This guy just LIED on camera stating Travis Fox said something that he absolutely did not say. Just bc some random has a KZbin page, doesn’t mean spitting “facts”

[@JBliehall]

@@RachelFox-fi7ci Care to reference the "lie" he told or just make a generalized statement?

[@pilot-debrief]

I think you’re referring to the information about Travis that I cited in my video from Colleen Mondor, the investigative journalist that dug deeper into this. She said in her article: “Travis Fox professed to have no knowledge of the difference between Part 91 and Part 135 when answering questions in the FAA inquiry, nor did he admit to any knowledge of the billing of the accident flight, the existence of Clearwater Aviation invoices for multiple charter flights, or the depositing of the more than $100,000 in charges that were billed to the N114TD passengers over their series of flights.”

[@pilot-debrief]

@JBliehall thank you for watching and for your kind words!

[@paddywallerbridge572]

I ve watched most of your videos out of curiosity and a general thirst for knowledge. I don't fly and have no intentions of learning to fly, yet your debriefs have given me great insight and confidence to grab that hot seat if a situation ever occurred. Thanks, Hoover. Blessings to you , your sensitivity, and discipline. ❤ Teeside Northeast England

[@UnknownUser-j3n]

I am pretty much the same. I dont plan to fly ever again. And i watch these videos for curiosity and the logics involved. Like crime videos. Also i like hoover. The way he talks and explains things.

[@golfswingbodymechanicsinte2854]

Actually it was a great ending. We got rid of two people who completely disregarded the laws designed to protect passengers and the public in their flight path. It could have been much worse and fortunately the passengers survived. Let their actions be a warning to those who will pay attention.

[@dogwoodservicesinc.2972]

⁠Exactly. People put their trust in certificated pilots. The clowns.

[@golfswingbodymechanicsinte2854]

They are alive unlike the pilots.@Gtrips07

[@eisbeinGermany]

this happens daily, look at the Eurowings crash few years ago, when the co-pilot locked out the captain from the cockpit and flew it into the side of the mountain, Lufthansa medical doctors knew he was bonkers but never reported him , after this crash, there must be at all times two people in the cockpit, if the captain wants to go to toilet a cabin crew member must sit in while he's out,

[@matejblaha4659]

That's at least a second story of the company owner literally going down with their company. The first one was the OceanGate's submersible exploring Titanic.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

The Oceangate was a big stunt to fake their deaths so they could escape their wives and have new lives.

[@747-pilot]

And both were the result of hubris, arrogance and a total disregard for safety or human life!

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

@@747-pilot No it was to fake their deaths. The whole world thinks they're dead. Genius scheme

[@johnnybugattisr.9558]

Add a third one back in 2016. Soccer team from brazil , their plane crashed in medellin, colombia due to fuel exhaustion. Pilot/ owner gross negligence

[@TonyP9279]

Yes, I misheard "Oceangate Aviation" instead of "Clearwater Aviation". I knew the name had something to do with water.

[@bt7528]

As a non pilot, the whole industry seems built on good faith and assumptions

[@southofairviewrd]

I live in Greenville SC, and this was a crazy story when it happened. I used to take that road a lot and I worked nearby at Hooters. The plans fly directly over Hooters and they are very low when they pass over. I've seen them come in in very high winds and bad weather conditions and it used to scare the daylights out of me. They have been many aircraft accidents around here.

[@n16161]

Did you cook up them wangsssssssa

[@johnalexander4513]

This channel provides all the intricate details in a very careful and accurate manner. The coverage is concise and apropos. This is my go to channel for ALL my interest in flight debrief. Good job!

[@pilot-debrief]

Thank you very much!

[@austincutting9825]

I went to school here. Me and my instructor left bc of their incompetence and lack of safety. The current owner is not a pilot and was handed the business. The lead instructor is like 86 and needs to quit flying but refuses to. Crazy there still open

[@stratocasterblue]

They pay a a lot of taxes to the gov for that business so gov makes sure they stay open

[@scottmaz4063]

Because of stuff like this is why my wife and I won't fly in small planes. You really don't know what your getting. It's really scary, thanks for another great video Hoover.

[@brax2364]

Life has risks. I suggest your life is in far more danger every time you get into a Uber than chartering a jet. This incident with idiots flying the plane is so far from the aviation norm that it’s almost like a movie script with Larry, Moe, and Curly flying the jet. Or, review Asiana Airlines flight 214 crash at San Francisco where trained professional pilots managed to land short of the runway on a clear day. Flying a visual approach to landing with the assistance of the PAPI or VASI lighting systems is something pilots master by lesson 10 in their initial flight training - which makes one wonder if the Asiana 214 pilots forgot how to actually fly the airplane. And let us not forget the two Air France pilots who managed to stall a perfectly good flying AirBus A330 from 30,000 feet all the way down to crash in the Atlantic ultimately because they failed crew coordination to follow the standard protocol for who is at the controls flying the plane. Something new pilots are taught by lesson one or two. The point is, there is a level of risk regardless if you are flying in a chartered jet, a major carrier or in a Cessna 172. People sometimes do stupid $hit.

[@calebbriscoe5938]

It was so difficult to keep track of all the wrong doing here...This was wild! Thanks for the hard work you put in to put this all together for us! Love what you do!

[@pilot-debrief]

You are so welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kellygarvin7955]

It sounds to me like regular commercial flying with major airlines would be the safer way to go....

[@a914freak]

I met the pilot a few years ago and in 10 minutes I knew he was full of shit when he was talking about how long he was flying a Falcon 50

[@donaldsalkovick396]

Classy

[@lunam7249]

did you anonomously report nim to the FAA???!!!

[@seriouscat2231]

@@lunam7249, for what? For being full of shit?

[@lunam7249]

@@seriouscat2231 for flying people dangerously without the proper qualifications!!!

[@ericcampman5382]

Hoover, Absolutely love your videos and the detail and manner in which you present them. As a student pilot I watch your videos to learn how to be everything these guys are not. Thanks for the great content!

[@pilot-debrief]

Great to hear! Thanks and stay safe!

[@chriss7393]

We hear how pilots can avoid crashes..but how can passengers avoid all this?

[@yamkaw346]

Don’t fly private

[@SuperAirNatique777]

Don’t fly at all lololol

[@Retroscoop]

Flying is always a risk. Flying a small company trying to survive a bigger one. Flying a big company from a more or less frivolous country can be comparably risky. But zero risk is not an option when travelling, and even, while staying at home. A plane can fall on your house, an earthquake can strike, a home invader, lightning, a gas explosion, you name it.

[@neerajnongmaithem392]

Fly with major airlines which have decades of good safety records, pay the extra money and fly with good airlines who are profitable and have standards not with cheapskates who are trying to cost everywju

[@commiecomrade2644]

Absolutely nuts. Its one thing to put your own life at risk but to take money to trick people into risking their lives is unforgivable.

[@airbuscap]

Early in my career I thought that the aviation industry would be filled with safety conscious folks because, after all, people die when things go wrong. And who would want that on their conscience? I soon discover that aviation had no less shady characters than the used car industry.

[@eric7591]

I found the same to be true. Especially in part 91, and flight training/ plane rentals.

[@mikebreen2890]

I flew with an idiot when I was in my teens. I was not a pilot and even I could see what he was doing wrong. Beating up a quarry where his friend worked, not following check lists. I had to remind him to raise the flaps after take off. Then he got in trouble for taxiing us into the hanger.

[@ktmdoug]

It's not just aviation, it's in every field (Doctors, Lawyers, etc) there will always be idiots wearing different coats. Human nature.

[@747-pilot]

@@ktmdougExactly! Just like in other fields, there are going to be idiots in aviation. The majority of aviators are, indeed, competent, diligent and safety conscious! Even if 20% of pilots were bad, that’s still a lot in absolute terms!

[@mikoto7693]

There are a lot of people in the aviation industry that do take safety very seriously. We’re aware that if we don’t do things correctly then people could die. Admittedly I work as ground crew in the airlines which is probably very different from General Aviation but we don’t get a free pass. Even as a mere ACS and ramper if I spot something damaged on an aircraft or even if it just feels “wrong” and it’s not clearly marked as INOP, I have a duty to ground the aircraft and report it immediately. Given that there are engineers and pilots available 24/7 the aircraft will get checked within 20 minutes. Everyone watches for safety.

[@muskiet8687]

Fantastic! Another fine example to point to when someone says "Companies can regulate themselves".

[@teeanahera8949]

This is called Capitalism. Change that so there is proper oversight and you get accused of Communism at worst and Nanny State at best.

[@jeremyrichey4243]

@@teeanahera8949 Level of, or who regulates, has nothing to do with Capitalism as an economic system.

[@catserver8577]

@@teeanahera8949 That may be true, but it doesn't mean we should just give in to non-regulation. Try using an app for flight paths where you are, and the sheer fact of how many planes are flying over you at any time will make it clear we do actually need sky nannies.

[@Retroscoop]

"Freedom of enterprise"....

[@CLdriver1960]

Unbelievable. This accident reminds me of an accident in KTEB in early 2005. Incompetent crew, shady business owners, and a lack of FAA oversight caused the death of two souls on the ground.

[@Capecodham]

KTEB?

[@sludge8506]

⁠​⁠@@Capecodham Teterboro.

[@CLdriver1960]

@@Capecodham KTEB -Teterboro, NJ

[@Capecodham]

@@CLdriver1960 Why didn't you say that in the first place?

[@regrox]

​@@Capecodham because he feels special using the code

[@757MrMark]

How much you want to bet John never did a systems class on that plane?

[@Redridge07]

@757MrMark Dude, maintenance tagged the brakes as inoperable. You do not need a systems class to be able to read.

[@mplsmark222]

@@Redridge07was the inoperable sticker still in place at the time of the crash? I understand it had been placed on the dash sometime before, but was it still there for John to see it? Then that begs the question, who removed it?

[@oliabid-price4517]

The bloodstains across the instruments suggests that the photo shown was of the actual accident aircraft, and it shows the inop sticker in place...

[@headlessdad2583]

A cfi who’d ever only flown Cessna 150’s would have been more qualified… as they need an instrument and commercial… oh boy. This is a where to start.

[@CLdriver1960]

I’d lose that one Mark. The same exact thought was going through my mind of exactly what training that SIC Type Rating entailed.

[@billdaverne9389]

I know nothing about the hows of flying beyond watching a friend pilot his beautful plane from Austin to Tulsa and back from the right seat. He knew his stuff so it was a seamless pleasure. You have offered great analysis and understandable information from my perspective and got to the heart of the matter on what happened and why. I hope the passengers have recovered and RIP for the two pilots who didn't constrain themselves...

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Well done. Another informative video. Love your work. Holy cow, after 32 years in aviation, I’ve never heard of anything like this.

[@dunbustin]

Excellent journalism. I am deeply envious of his ability to write so succinctly.

[@christianmichael8381]

Excellent channel! Excellent videos! Top notch content! Thank You!

[@CarbonOwl993]

There’s no way you can be this incompetent and neglectful..I’m literally speechless

[@eisbeinGermany]

how did they be able to even start it up, know all the flight rules, take off with the right flap settings and land it,

[@amskeels]

Being high/drunk all the time would explain this kind of behavior.

[@deltalima6703]

@eisbeinGermany Its not that hard, pull the stick, cows get small. Push the stick, cows get big. All the details they just skipped, and thats why this happened. FAA are the gods of bureaucracy, they are the root cause here. They have the tools and power to stop this but they chose not to. Negligence.

[@mayobabble]

This is not surprising. After nearly 40 years in aircraft maintenance. I worked for a few Foxs in my career.

[@sykotikOG]

Just a suggestion for the channel, you should put the flight number or other easily searched information somewhere in your title or description so folks can easily research it without having to go back through the video again.

[@kevinspacey5325]

I'm 2 minutes in and WOW. . . . . . If I found this out when I was in the air, I'd be terrified.

[@underwaystudios9172]

As a former Aviation Electriciansmate in the USCG who worked and flew on the Falcon 20's (HU25A) In the early 80's, I am appalled and shocked that these two men attempted this flight being so unqualified to do so! Every time I flew as crewman I had complete confidence in the CG officers/ pilots as all had graduated Navy Flight Training in Pensacola.

[@desmondjefferson2127]

Now you know why military pilots are so sought after when they retire.

[@jimmagnus1200]

I'm not a pilot and rarely fly. But I find these videos fascinating. Its a peak behind the curtains.

[@Retroscoop]

Behind the clouds you mean :)

[@localcrew]

One would think that a bright yellow sticker that says “INOP” would at least raise some eyebrows inside the cockpit.

[@pilot-debrief]

That was crazy. When I learned that, I was asking myself how could any pilot go fly an aircraft without questioning what that sticker was referring to…especially as it was on the brake system switch.

[@PWingert1966]

Its for decoration only?

[@ir655]

@pilot-debrief whats even scarier is that the INOP sticker has Tim Fox's handwriting on it, I know because I lived with Tim and his wife Deanna, went to that school and also worked at that school 😫

[@localcrew]

@@ir655 Dang!

[@paulpease8254]

It’s hard to get a rich old man to do the right thing when his continued life of luxury requires him to do the wrong thing.

[@Iamgroot377]

Im happy the customers that knew nothing about the shady workings of this business weren't harmed.

[@ThePaulv12]

"....the highest level of professionalism and safety," spiel reminds me of something a hospital would say after an entirely preventable infant death or something. How often do you hear on the news about a patient that was sent home after going to hospital 5x and died because no one could care less and the hospital PR department comes out about patient care being their highest priority at all times bla bla bla and then a coronial investigation finds litany of entirely preventable very basic failures?

[@a914freak]

Did the report state whether or not the pilot and copilot where wearing their shoulder harnesses? The crash looked survivable. Based on the amount of blood I saw on the floor, I would say they both went head first into the main panel of the aircraft and most likely broke their necks.

[@goneflying140]

The nose of that plane barreled so hard into terrain that it was not survivable even with harnesses. The only reason the passengers lived is because the nose breaking off didn't allow the impact energy to reach them as hard as the front of the plane.

[@PWingert1966]

@@goneflying140 Time to look at a redesign of the end of the runway. I know some runways have crash pads designed to slow the plane down in a controlled manner while it sinks into the ground material. of course, they also had the option of a go-around (Which was never discussed since there was no approach briefing)

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@PWingert1966no need for a redesign of the runway. This wasn’t a runway issue.

[@747-pilot]

@@goneflying140EXACTLY!

[@747-pilot]

⁠@@PWingert1966That already exists at major airports. It’s called EMAS (Engineered Material Arresting System). It’s a type of “soft concrete”, where the wheels sink into it and significantly slow the aircraft down. But it’s expensive and can’t really be installed at every single airport! As others have pointed out, in this case it was not a “runway problem”, but a “pilot problem”.

[@Glofilter]

I do believe this is the craziest story I've ever seen. I've been around aviation for over 40 years now, and have met a lot of "hot dogs", but this story takes the cake by a long shot. My grandfather (now dead of natural causes) used to occasionally fly IFR even though he wasn't rated IFR, which I thought was crazy, and I know a guy who would fly just about any single engine airplane with no training in it- just got the approach speeds and away he went, but flying a Falcon with known issues with unrated pilots? Wow.

[@jonathaneno8041]

An amazingly scary story. I use to enjoy flying. I remember taking Braniff to Texas. I remember the days of being invited to see the cockpit during flights. Not only are those days gone, but my trust in companies and individuals providing those "services" has been destroyed. I'll drive, or stay home.

[@OneLeggedTarantula]

They were not just behind the plane, they were out of the plane about 50 miles back

[@BruceLeigh-eu3wm]

Well, he didn't over hype this. It really is just as unbelievable as described. Hard to believe people this dumb and careless could be able to acquire this sophisticated and extremely expensive airplane.

[@RandyBaumery-s4i]

Reality is always more frightening.

[@747-pilot]

As we already know from experience, *_money_* does NOT equal *_smarts!!!_* This has been proven over and over and over! We’ve seen tons of people who came into money through no real effort on their part! Through inheritance or whatever other easy way! And _THAT_ could be a very dangerous thing, as we saw in this case!

[@RandyBaumery-s4i]

@@747-pilot money can buy you things you cannot handle. Isn't that right John Kennedy Junior?

[@747-pilot]

@@RandyBaumery-s4i Yes! That's another perfect example. Unfortunately, in such cases, it is also typically accompanied by ARROGANCE!

[@RandyBaumery-s4i]

@@747-pilot closer to home, I've known of folks to buy a 1100 cc "rocket bike" and end up with a leg cast.

[@jeffmockus5400]

When you charter a flight you put your trust and life in the pilots hands. The average paying customer can't just say to the pilots let me see your log book. Can't say to maintenance let me see your logs. Even if they show them to you most people wouldn't know what they were looking at. It's scary knowing who could be at the controls. Just ask Buddy Holly.

[@747-pilot]

You’re absolutely right. But not everyone is dishonest and / or incompetent. There should definitely be a much better way of vetting these places: the planes, the maintenance and the pilots! This kind of “lawless” insanity, is an incredible disservice to the people who run an honest, safe and competent operation! And there are great businesses like that out there. But as you correctly pointed out, at this time there is no way to tell. It’s essentially “rolling the dice”.

[@alisonwilson9749]

And that footballer who was killed on a flight from France to the UK. Very like the story above. A terrible story. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpyWgomVj82knM0

[@RoseSharon7777]

Passengers can indeed ask for pilot licenses currency, medicals, and a/alc type and current flght time in said a/c. Also insurance coverage limits and FAA compliance records. And ALWAYS investigate charter company. NEVER take a charter flight of any size without doing your OWN homework. Don't trust anyone else to do the checking.

[@TheAlaska07]

My son is a captain at Flexjet, spent years building up experience for that position, he was blown away at the thought of this happening! Private pilot and a pilot not even qualified for the left seat?!? Unbelievable.

[@RoseSharon7777]

@@TheAlaska07 I'm not talking about fractional jet owners. Owners can get that you information upon purchase of their share. I'm talking about charter companies or just taking a ride with a friend or unknown pilot. I would never fly with ANYONE in a charter without verifying on the ramp the pilot that showed up is the pilot I pre-approved and do the same for last minute charters. Charter companies who have nothing to hide will gladly comply. .

[@erintyres3609]

11:45 In case anyone is wondering, the NTSB preliminary report says that the plane's thrust reverser and air brakes were deployed.

[@AvoidTIMtation]

I remember this crash but i had NO idea the story was this crazy

[@pilot-debrief]

Reading the entire report to research this was eye-opening, infuriating, and terrifying at the same time.

[@Sovek86]

This happened in the city I live in and heard about the crash. I am astonished that this is what actually happened and was allowed to happen.

[@JobyJoby-iw2wr]

We have a couple of cases here in the NC - VA area from a few years back that defy explanation. Licensed pilot/instructor somehow fell out (pushed out?) of the parachute school/skydiver plane flying between Fayetteville and Raleigh. Another - in the same time frame - was a young european woman licensed pilot/instructor who had two african immigrant students in the plane with her from a nearby college in Virginia. Airplane inexplicably went out of control during takeoff (no mechanical or weather issues noted), killing the female pilot - the immigrants survived. Both 'events' dropped from the news cycle faster than a hot potato.....

[@captainlegs1]

Its total madness how many con artists with huge egos and no sense of responsibility seem to slither themselves completely unchecked into what is supposed to be a tightly regulated industry. Mind boggling! Shame on all the players INCLUDING THE FAA OVERSEERS. I’ve been in the business for many years including as a bonafide Falcon 50 licensed captain/instructor/ examiner. This shocking episode totally takes the cake. Love your research and talented presentations. Keep up the great work! Hope this helps others to ferret out more of these unscrupulous criminal charlatans.

[@pilot-debrief]

They just released the final report on the pilot that fell from the plane. Turns out he walked to the back and purposely dove out the door. Suicide.

[@JobyJoby-iw2wr]

I will respond later from another machine as my substantial response ‘vanished’ for unknown reasons. Informed speculation indicates there was a struggle for the plane’s controls, leading to the pilot either falling out of the plane or being pushed from the plane. Many were led to believe there was a massive coverup taking place, including the surviving pilot’s identification and resume.@@pilot-debrief