When Loud Music Leads to Murder... | The Case of the Carr Family

[@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll]

Unbelievable. The fact that he later moved away which made the whole crime utterly pointless just floors me.

[@baneverything5580]

Democrats ... are .... monsters ...

[@Jezidka]

couldn't agree with you more.

[@iitim2152]

That's not what this was about. It was about how such "inferior " people could dare inconvenience him.

[@iitim2152]

@FaithLehan It's my opinion based on what I've seen. But I'm not an expert.... Serial killers often believe they are superior and that inferior people deserve death. In these case often small things that most people wouldn't even consider slights pick targets for them... in this case let's be glad this man didn't have time to add wisdom and experience to his knowledge.

[@BlondeQtie]

it wasn’t about the music. he planned to killed the detective next. he was a serial killer in the making.

[@Doug.the.welder-hj6cq]

Let me just say the DR who first quickly realized it was a poisoning is a hero. How many times have you seen poisonings in these shows be misdiagnosed?

[@Shebeast3]

agree🎉

[@Introvertliving]

Your comment should get more upvotes. The most important thing!

[@jeffreyb8770]

I am shocked that they can't find poison in a person's blood without knowing which poison it is first.

[@pennyp7382]

As a former lab assistant it's hard to explain but I'll try to give 1 reason. The magnitude of toxins that are fatal is almost endless. The exclusion or inclusion in a blood test would require sending the blood to a very specialized lab and would take a lot of money and time. Poisionings are rather rare so it would have to be suspected as the Dr. did in this case. ​@@jeffreyb8770

[@serendipidus8482]

​@@jeffreyb8770why is that shocking. You think they can just see poison through a microscope? There are thousands of poisons ...elemental poisons like thallium and tens of thousands of chemicals ....from bleach to vitamin a to plant chemicals to ....so many...how are they going to test for thousands of things all at once? Even testing iron is complicated .... there are many formss of iron each reacts differently with a test material and each test material had to be different and each blood sample has to be processed differently. Thats why poison is a great murder tool. Its very hard to detect unless the symptoms are very obvious. Did you not do chemistry at school?

[@TheGamingAnimator.]

The fact that that man can just sit and smile while he’s on trial knowing he murdered a mother and attempted to murder the father, 2 sons and baby sickens me

[@junim.l5794]

**the whole family

[@AngelsHandPrint]

And over some loud music that the kids probably played once, even after they’d said they were sorry. Just goes to show how he’s purely evil and thinks people with lower IQ than his are just like ants that he can crush.

[@ichangedmynameforyoutube]

Well, that’s very typical of a psychopath. They don’t have empathy, nor even emotions.

[@LucasLasuley]

And two dogs don't forget they're important too

[@julzrulz11111]

​@SB62294 you're in danger of being targeted by the same people you're warning the other about. Be careful, you're being too honest and smart there!!

[@NickelCityPixels]

Hosting a murder mystery that's the same as the murder you just committed? Also, outing your motive to police and linking yourself to the threatening note? GENIUS!

[@heppecogheron6016]

Truly a higher intelligence moment

[@beatriceladouce965]

I think at this point he just felt like bragging internally. High IQ people tend to do that. Not his smartess moment though.

[@DRaider90]

Yeah he was probably so arrogant and full of himself through his intelligence that he inadvertently made himself a prime suspect and person of interest, to him he was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers and he knew all the moves.

[@CupRamenZ]

He’s no genius. He’s just able to cover up murder really well. If you listen closely, there’s quite a difference.

[@ellisrachaelmakeup2262]

@@CupRamenZi feel like you’ve got it the wrong way round. he literally is a genius, by IQ level- but he didn’t manage to get away with his crime

[@chris55529]

This "genius" was a moron. Kudos to the female cop, and kudos also to the cops who came up with this plan in the first place. This is the most impressive "sting" that I have ever seen. Maybe George is in the Genius Wing...of prison.

[@jacksbaldhead8326]

That "genius" is a great example of "book smart stupid"

[@ScottLombardi]

He was Book smart just not street smart,in my eyes I'll take street smart over book smart anyday....💯

[@Novi903]

Got that right

[@lifeisstr4nge]

​@@ScottLombardiyou musr be in prison by now

[@amcc5887]

​@@ScottLombardi, absolutely 💯

[@nansmith8703]

I love the fact that Duane honours his mother by trying to live a good life. Duane you are an example to us all.

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

He should apologize to his dad though, like at least say "sorry I tried to accuse you of murdering us" at least.

[@summerwintermelon]

​@@JimMilton-ej6ziI think he thought that way because he was horrible and indifferent towards his mother.

[@hats4pigeons132]

​@@JimMilton-ej6zi The dad was also a monster. I would've accused him too after trying to prevent her from going to the hospital.

[@JimMilton-ej6zi]

@@summerwintermelon so two wrongs make a right then? False accusations are horrible things to do and can get people sent to death, and the fact is he didn't harm her at all. If you falsely accuse someone, you're the monster.

[@thecatatemyhomework]

That murderer isn't as smart as people think he is or that he thinks he is. He didn't even know how to talk to the police without giving himself away.

[@Steger13]

He was smart enough to put the poison of the bottles for months.

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

​@@Steger13yeah but he got caught

[@I_HaVe_QuEsTiOnS4u]

I think he gave himself away because he thought he was smarter than everyone else, same reason he wrote a "case" at the hotel, so similar, to the murders he had just committed. He litterally thought it didn't matter if the cops know, they'd never be able to prove it. It wasn't even really trying to hide it.

[@decyattysyachpchyol]

​@@I_HaVe_QuEsTiOnS4uExactly, arrogance easily allows smart people to be the biggest dumbasses.

[@tomturner4400]

​@@Steger13❤😊😊

[@user-lp3ti9zi5r]

I have heard this case from another KZbinr but in your channel, I really saw Susan with brand new eyes. She is amazingly BRAVE. She's an absolute hero. Kudos to her. I'm so glad nothing bad happened to her. My deepest condolences to Peggy and her family. They didn't deserve any of that at all :(

[@sarahissersohn5495]

There’s a book about this, which also includes a lot about what an absolute legend Susan is, and the phenomenal lengths she goes to, for justice, in this case.

[@Shebeast3]

it's an absolute tragedy

[@Gary-And-His-Demons]

Mr Ballen actually did this case. THAT is where I learned about it.

[@user-lp3ti9zi5r]

@@Gary-And-His-Demons Same here!! 😁

[@svampebob007]

I had heard about this case before, I never heard about the torture chamber... that's insane, there's 0 doubt in my mind that he wanted to kill the detective probably thinking she was going to be an easy kill since she's already his trusted friend.

[@JackZoe-bf3zq]

He is chemistry/science smart. Doesn't mean he has any other form of intelligence. This dumbass still talked his way into being a suspect. Built a secret torture room while being investigated. Wrote details of his crime in a goddamn crime mystery game and still couldn't keep his mouth shut afterwards. Y'all really giving him more credit than he deserves.

[@JackZoe-bf3zq]

And he also chose to tamper with a coca cola bottle. Which would OBVIOUSLY leaves marks and chose to keep the tools he used to tamper with it. Like c'mon my guy and he still thought he was better than everyone😭

[@peacedove1182]

Don’t underestimate narcissism in the mix.

[@IbelongtoJesus.]

Satan thinks he's smart as well, but Hell is his future

[@UgetTheMemo]

I hope narcissists never stop taking their cases to trial. It's so amusing to watch how clueless they are, for a mensa member he can't read the room at all.

[@raytracer5726]

This is a commong this in most of these investigations. The ki11ers are not even smart and get caught because they do something very stuрid. It makes you think how easy it is to get away with m*rder, and how much ki11ers will never be caught simply because they used common sense.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

I don't think he murdered his neighbors over loud Music. He did it because he was bored and wanted an exciting challenge. He simply did it for the thrill and satisfaction of getting away with it.

[@laurieb3703]

Especially seeing as how he'd built a frigging kill room in the new house! Serial killer in the making for sure

[@TheBlissCatalyst]

He’s a sociopath

[@Rob-dp3vr]

This video didn't tell the entire story. That family was a constant nuisance, daily with dogs constantly barking, loud music all the time, rhe kids racing around on ATVs and motorcycles, loud arguments, etc. Obviously I'm not saying they deserved it. But they caused it. Because they were the nuisance of the neighborhood. No one could live in peace there. People should learn to respect others as well. Also, the boys were confrontational and threatening when they would ask them to stop with the noise. This video portraits then as quiet, innocent victims. No, they had a house of chaos, and of anyone said anything, they'd be told off and threatened to shut their mouth.

[@deadlyoneable]

I think he did it cause they were conservative and he’s a far leftist

[@ozzi-r3x]

Nobody randomly tries to murder an entire family because they're bored and want a challenge and a thrill. life isn't a Hollywood movie. There was a motive, he wanted his neighbours gone. Have you ever had terrible, loud, annoying neighbours ? If you have you'll understand how frustrating it can be, most people learn to deal with it and ignore it and move on with their lives but some people can't help but make the situation worse and this guy is obviously one of those people who would make the situation worse.

[@maybemari6823]

The wisest people are also empathetic and kind. This man is not a “genius.” He’s a sociopath.

[@MadScientist267]

You're confusing wisdom, knowledge, intellect, and emotion. Emotion is not intelligence. It is feeling. And has nothing to do with intellect. Intellect is the ability to process and use information. Knowledge is information. Wisdom is experience. Many super intelligent people actually *lack* the ability to present with empathy... The brain is busy with logic, emotion only gets in the way. Or put another way, "you're confused".

[@MadScientist267]

​@@D.J.Trump2024MAGAIt's true that sociopathy isn't intrinsically "bad", but like any tool, can be used for both good and evil. I agree it is a shame the term is normally associated with a negative connotation... But this guy right here is why.

[@jonslg240]

@@MatthewMorgan3030 you're literally ignoring the fact that he poisoned them because they annoyed him a little. That is absolutely sociopathic/psychopathic. (same thing)

[@highflowerfairy2554]

Genius and wisdom are different things.

[@ryanof3004]

being wise is completely different than being intellectually gifted. He quite literally is a GENIUS because of is his IQ, there's no debating that.

[@saltwithlove2269]

Well done Dwayne , my respects to you . The letter you wrote to your Mother was heartfelt and healing . I believe it is called a " no send letter " - I wrote one to my father when I was in rehab , in the UK , addressing addiction issues I had . It helped . Love to you , yours and your Mother . ♥️

[@saltwithlove2269]

( my father was also deceased at the time of writing to him )

[@kendrawaddams3174]

Wtf?! Why would you 'refuse' to take your dying wife to the hospital?!!!!

[@unknown11215]

Fr

[@sydhsydh1084]

I know right! At that point i thought its the husband who killed his wife. 🙄 Poor woman, she could have been saved!

[@dissraps]

​@@sydhsydh1084except right when he said he wasn't taking her... they took her.... and she died.... so no

[@hautehussey]

Probably because we still don’t have universal health care in this country!

[@rosemarymegan]

There is no cure for thallium so she probably would have died anyway, but she would have been kept comfortable in the hospital.

[@disorderleigh]

What husband sees his wife’s hair falling out and her being extremely ill and refuses to take her to the hospital. He’s just as much the reason she is dead.

[@Beecher_Dikov]

Her hair wasn't falling out at that point...

[@PEZZYYYY]

​@@Beecher_Dikovdidn't the son say she couldn't even move even then thet is really concerning dont try to justify

[@nenegrey2282]

​@@Beecher_DikovListen again 00:30 her hair was already falling out + other concerning symptoms. Later, the doctors too noticed the hair loss.

[@nameless-user]

Florida man

[@lenthomas4685]

The husband was being poisoned, too. He must have been feeling sick too and ignored it. We don't know this family's financial situation that could've played a role in the father's decision. We do have a sense that this family had struggles during this time.

[@rcjr.7725]

His arrogance sealed his fate he was so full of himself a high IQ doesn't necessarily mean you have common sense Kudos to that lady

[@americangirlx4]

That's SO true. I've known several people who scored super high on IQ tests, yet when faced with wise common sense decisions, seemed mentally challenged. It's like nature adds too much of one ingredient, and then decreases another for balance! 🤔. This monster was also a sociopath...a deadly combination!

[@xer0058]

Yea cause you need to perform what you know so a higher being would recognize rich people with the highest "iQ"

[@rubbersoul420]

I used to watch a lot of Forensic Files and the most embarrassing criminals were usually doctors who thought they wouldn't make stupid mistakes.

[@UgetTheMemo]

I hope narcissists never stop taking their cases to trial. It's so amusing to watch how clueless they are, for a mensa member he can't read the room at all.

[@albertadams2095]

My grandma from South Carolina used to have a saying for people like Trepal: “That’s an educated fool.”

[@moonstrobes1]

In the 90s I was in primary school (australia) and I had a teacher tell us not to drink coke because rat poison could be found in it, everyone dismissed it as a silly rumour but I had NO IDEA it was from this story

[@BlondeQtie]

i grew up in europe, born around one year after his conviction. we still heard the rumor to not drink coke because of rat poison. insane!

[@candikretz8526]

@@BlondeQtie u see how one thing, starts a fabricated story? Geez

[@dlo111]

I heard that too! I never heard of this story until today, had no idea it was from this story.

[@leeduncan8764]

Very much doubt it had anything to do with this story. If some said this due to a one off poisoning that would b very idiotic. You believe what you will

[@moonstrobes1]

over years, stories get changed/mislead. its human nature. @@leeduncan8764

[@mucho73cobbcobb95]

Susan is a damn CHAMPION! In the 80's and 90's was a tough time to catch criminals as DNA and CSI was in its infancy. So all detectives had was grit and guts to figure sh*t out. Great vid good work!

[@titansaint]

the thing about 'genius' criminals is that they tend to be a bit egotistical about what they've done because look at how smart they are! no one else could do what they pulled off!! it's hilarious how often their ego is their downfall.

[@b_sus87]

Exactly. It wasn’t his actions during the crime that was his undoing, it was his ego.

[@whiskeymarielandry9177]

I agree,Dennis reader thought he would get away with it

[@stephanie-atarahrose.8149]

I wonder if someone could hurt another person without having being egotistical. I believe it’s impossible.

[@johngreenwood1979]

There is an episode of Columbo where the detective gets the murderer to confess by asserting the killer must have done it this way. The killer found his assertion frustrating, and told him the real way it was done.

[@dumptruck_babs]

Heisenberg Moment

[@ContactsNfilters]

Leaves the family a (hand-written?) warning note, leaves the unused Coca-Cola bottles still containing the poison, uses a common poison, gives police a motive by talking bad about the victims, holds murder parties with a similar clue about not eating or drinking after being threatened, leaves the empty poison container in his house, writes in his journal about getting rid of his neighbors- this man is a true genius 😆 He's now stuck in prison which is usually very loud and you can't choose your cellie or neighbors. He's complained about them playing their music too loud as well. 😂

[@virg0_lem0nade]

this channel, "Unseen", is absolutely the best presented and produced crime channel on all of KZbin, hands down.

[@aldccrazy1773]

This and A&E are the best

[@paulcarpenter7844]

💯

[@virg0_lem0nade]

@FaithLehan -- ooh thank you i haven't heard of that one before, i will check it out

[@ginasousabranco5637]

For different reasons, Unseen and 48 Hours are really the best crime channels

[@shanelleavey9904]

Agreed. Love Unseen, 48 hours, and That Chapter. My top 3.

[@txi.cb_4534]

its lovely that this channel highlights the survivors and victims and never puts the main focus on the criminal. i love learning and paying mine to these peoples stories, its very important and this channel handles these topics with care

[@Bee-in7xm]

It impresses me how good at acting detectives can be sometimes, it is a life or death situation and Susan was fully aware of that.

[@daltysmilth]

When she tells him she’s scared because of the unsolved murder that happened in the neighborhood, she actually does sound sincerely frightened, and not in an over-the-top way. That’s grade A acting there.

[@Artbug]

Curious to know about his genius chemist wife... how involved was she and was she was charged with anything?

[@Kyle-um6tm]

I wonder too. Maybe she was the real evil mastermind who got away.

[@BrightLove-mu8hj]

I think the same, she had a master degree in chemistry... How can't she know about his masterplan...

[@AbbyL0VE]

She would have for sure known the neighbors symptoms and death matched that particular poison. She never suspected?

[@shotgunbettygaming]

Love me some Sheriff Grady Judd, what a pleasant surprise to see him! Often you don't know anything about the officers involved in cases, but Sheriff Judd is SO transparent and forthright about his job and the citizens he protects AND imprisons, I'd take his word as near gospel on just about any case.

[@StellaFl]

I'm a true crime fan from Greece and I also have mad respect for Sheriff Judd 😍

[@roxannemoser]

I'd take it as 100% gospel! Then, I get FURIOUS when Sheriff Judd and his team works so hard just to see a judge go easy on a defendant. Wasn't one murderer out on bond for 205 felonies?

[@brijitglapion4577]

I'm glad someone else is saying the same thing! I love me some, Grady Judd! He pulls no punches and tells it like it is. I appreciate him.

[@b_sus87]

Yesss, same! ❤ GJ

[@julitakamaki4386]

@@roxannemoserThe Judges in America are a problem. Too many are corrupt.

[@joshl4111]

"George Trepal is now a person of interest" has to be the most understated fact ever considering they'd just explained that he was a bitter neighbour with inside knowledge that only police had, with an high IQ, a self-taught chemist, and a criminal record for using that specific poison to produce meth.

[@ash_tray]

Susan is a true hero and should be treated as such. To risk her own life for the innocent and to catch the guilty, it’s a great example of justice. You’re badass, Susan! And of course, Rest In Peace Peggy.

[@frankboogaard88]

I have the deepest respect for this detective, who went above and beyond, left and right, below and above, to do her job. It must have been hell for her.

[@jordantowner5995]

Why would he bother poisoning his 'annoying' neighbors if he was going to move away right after he did it? It must have been more out of spite than of practicality.

[@BlondeQtie]

the loud music was an excuse to murder someone

[@candikretz8526]

I think so too, I just think he's a sick man he wanted the world dead. He had that room to hoist ppl up to kill them. This has nothing to do with 🎶. He's just a plain out monster. He would keep on killing, if he were still out in society.

[@anthonyluna352]

He was setting up a dungeon room in his new house. Looks like he was on his way to being a possible serial killer. Maybe he already was

[@BrightLove-mu8hj]

@@anthonyluna352 Idk but I believe the undercover agent would be his first victim. I'm so happy to hear she didn't go to his home...

[@feliznavidad6958]

He was a sadist and a psychopath. They dont need a reason. Humans playing dumb about the fact that evil people walk among them is exactly what costs people their lives🙄

[@drvenhrd46]

The way “unseen” puts this videos together is outstanding

[@jackstevens585]

This is an interesting case. Many people have covered it, but you did a great job. This guy was a sick bastard. Too smart for his own good and thought he’d get away with it. Huge balls on the undercover officer to catch this prick. Poisoning is really scary and it takes a different kind of psychologically disturbed person to do it.

[@genericamerican7574]

Like the death cap mushroom beef Wellington lady that just killed her in-laws. She was so sad 😭

[@jackstevens585]

@@genericamerican7574 wow, I’m not familiar with that case. Who is that??? Please let me know. I need to look into it

[@Ms.Brightside77]

@@jackstevens585Stephanie harlowe just did a good video covering it. It happened in Australia

[@buttlord4204]

A REAL genius recognizes that even if you can account for what you think is everything, there's still gonna be 50 ways you can get caught that you'd just not know to think to account for. And when you do something as serious as a murder and 4 attempted murders, even below average intelligence should tell you that they're gonna pull out all the stops and investigate some of those 50 things you couldn't have known to take into account This dummy thought he was a lot smarter than he actually was. And all this over loud music? He dares to think he's some kind of genius? He's paddling his boat down the dum dum river if anyone ever was.

[@b_sus87]

@@buttlord4204well to be fair, none of his actions directly related to the poisonings were his downfall. It was his ego that did him in.

[@FloozieOne]

I've been a member of MENSA since I was 22. While most of the other people I meet are just normal (but very acute and intelligent of course), being smart does not make you a good person. I have been disgusted by the attitudes of some of the other members that are just like this villain. "If you aren't smart, you are less than human and don't deserve respect or consideration". These days I don't have much contact with them except for some seminars on subjects I am interested in.

[@koalaplays8855]

“People who boast about their iq are losers”-Steven Hawking

[@nufailanoon]

they should be fired

[@AbbyL0VE]

That’s why I’m very curious about his wife and whether she could have been involved

[@_ANGLER]

Yes more unseen! So excited for this!!

[@Reg_The_Galah]

Are you though? What makes you so sure of this?

[@Akaritomi]

The psycho was so proud of being a genius that he used it to justify murder. Imagine how absolutely furious he'll get if everyone just started talking to him like he's a middle school dropout from the boondocks. The fury in his heart if when he's told just before death that he'll be recorded and rememberd as one one of the dumbest and most stupid people to ever exist. He'll cry bloody tears and scream to the mountain tops just before his body gets fried to a crisp.

[@nerdpanda7109]

These are the perfect videos to play in the background while you do chores. Thank you for these videos!

[@lucysester8435]

literally me right now 😂

[@abbyherrera2288]

Yup

[@heyysimone]

Me this morning and now im walking my dog 😂

[@scootermom1791]

I watched another documentary about this case. Apparently George's wife complained about the neighbor's noise so much he got sick of it. That's when he decided to poison them because they ignored the warning in the note they sent. There was some suspicion that his wife was involved, but they could never prove it. He refused to implicate her claiming he acted alone. Also, the way the detective got him to confide in her was she pretended to be in awe of his genius. She played to his ego by flirting with him (his wife didn't even care) and telling him how impressed she was with his intellect. She would pose a lot of questions like "What would you do if...." as if seeking advice from him as one who admired him and appreciated him. The other documentary said the reason the mom was significantly sicker than the kids and husband was that Coke was her favorite drink, so she'd had more of it than they did. The daughter, who didn't get sick, hated Coke and didn't drink any of it the night the rest of them had.

[@raytracer5726]

Yes, I suspect the wife had something to do with it, because she was the chemist, and also poison is typically more of a womans way to take out a person. It would not be difficult for the wife to convince the husband to keep his mouth shut.

[@scootermom1791]

@@raytracer5726 yeah, she should have been charged as an accomplice, but unfortunately they didn't have evidence to prove one way or the other that she was involved unless her husband was willing to admit her involvement in everything.

[@katiecooper1387]

Wow, this case is insane on so many levels. It’s straight out of fiction. So glad her son was able to move on to make better life choices in honour of his mom. His letter to her made me cry. Also, side note, love seeing female detectives getting the spotlight. She was awesome!

[@DaBaltimoron]

I can't get over how wonderfully this channel edits these videos. They're perfection.

[@lauraswann5543]

Rest in peace Peggy.💔 Sincere sympathy to her family.💔 That murderer wasn't smart, he earned himself the death penalty.

[@D.J.Trump2024MAGA]

but he got to see one of his victims die so he still won.

[@gottaluvdd]

@@D.J.Trump2024MAGAno.. he didn’t if he got caught. y’all are so alarming.

[@D.J.Trump2024MAGA]

@@gottaluvdd he got caught but he at least got to see them suffer before he was caught. All they needed to do was move and they would have been healthy and happy. I say the blame for her death is on the husband that did not take the warning seriously.

[@_mollyyy]

@@D.J.Trump2024MAGAthey thought it was a joke. ur absolutely disgusting. how could you shame the clueless victims and say it was their fault and “not the killers”

[@_mollyyy]

@@D.J.Trump2024MAGAthey thought it was a joke. ur absolutely disgusting. how could you shame the clueless victims and say it was their fault and “not the killers”

[@username-mk4qv]

Duane’s absolutely infectious smile at the end is what finally brought me to tears. What a heartbreaking story, but so happy he is living his best life and honoring his mother. Amazing man! Thank you as always for highlighting the lives of the victims and their surviving families more than the killers. Rest In Peace Peggy

[@awkwarddrawings]

The sons single tear going down his face is heartbreaking 10:12

[@cynthiaconnors183]

Since his wife was also a smarty with chemistry brilliance, she was likely aware of her husband's crime or was an accomplice

[@GetSicRiCH]

Exactly.

[@MummaMia5]

What a wonder husband. He wouldn’t let his wife go to hospital when she first needed to but only when the kids started to get sick. 🙄

[@Firepaw20011]

Well he was already having an affair, doubt he really loved her. He just wanted someone to care for his kids.

[@sarahissersohn5495]

Okay, OR, let’s also consider, this happened waaay before health care existed for many less wealthy individuals. In my early 20’s, I used to have to pay out of pocket for my meds, and between that, and my prescribing doc visits, I was paying $400+ per month, because it was still cheaper than insurance, at that time. For many people already on a tight budget, that money for the emergency room visit was going to have to come out of money that was already earmarked for a different non-negotiable cost of living, such as utilities bills, or rent/mortgage payment. Not saying I can even speculate as to the state of their relationship, but plenty of people who did love each other still may not have been able to financially justify an emergency room bill.

[@wiggilytaco7570]

Yeah he didn’t even care when she was obviously deteriorating within hospital care. It was to the point his own kids thought he was the killer

[@waner17]

@@sarahissersohn5495people that love each other also don’t let their beloved spouses suffer extremely in sickness for anything let alone cheat on them. money doesn’t have jack to do with it.

[@ainto87]

​@@sarahissersohn5495okay, OR he really didnt love her. He was already having an affair. Their marriage havent even reached their 1st anniversary yet

[@nunyabiz697]

So how exactly was his wife ruled out as being a suspect. They actually claimed that she was indeed a scientist while he was a self-proclaimed scientist. Didn't she find it a little weird that he was just hanging out with some random chick

[@rachelr5654]

Ah I remember when this happened! My aunt and uncle lived in seabring. It was such a quiet area that this was huge news after the trial. I remember them pointing out the street this guy lived on. They told me about the murder mystery dinner party where he basically explained how he did it all. Nobody could believe it had happened in that area.

[@Anita-k]

I wonder, if his wife was in on it, anybody knows if she got questioned and charged as well? Reason I'm asking is, it's really hard to believe, the couple had a "secret room" in each home without her knowing.

[@mandymagnolia1966]

I can’t even imagine what must have been going through Susan’s head when they let her know about that room they found in the new house 😨 knowing you were THAT close to being the next on his list. Makes my skin crawl thinking about it

[@SpaceCadet45s]

Terrifying!

[@mandymagnolia1966]

@@SpaceCadet45s right? How would you brief her on that, ya know? “Hey, so, we think you were thiiiiis close to being his next victim” 😰 I’d be taking a long vacation after that. Even if I’m just lounging at home doing nothing

[@squishygerbil1015]

She is such a brave woman and she took her Job seriously. She was a mother and wife but risked it all to get justice. She's a beautiful brave woman. She fought for Peggy and her family so hard . RIP Peggy

[@mandymagnolia1966]

@@squishygerbil1015 That’s for damn sure. Man, incredible

[@TheJadeCircle]

How does he think "I hope I'm not a prime suspect" isn't the most suspicious thing anyone could ever say?

[@BunnyQueen97]

That undercover cop must have a bad back from dragging her gargantuan lady balls around everywhere!!!

[@cherylcarroll]

Yes, Queen! 💪💄✊️

[@yennefer440]

Lmao

[@curtisw1706]

You left out one of the most important pieces of the story . . . how did the laced soda pop get into their home? It was later discovered that the carrs did not lock their doors and the murderer occasionally slipped in while they were gone and put the laced soda pop in the corner. None of the Carr family asked where it came from ... they each thought that the other had purchased it,

[@desertparanormal2791]

I suspected the husband when he wouldn't take her to the hospital but wow

[@CupRamenZ]

This man is no certified genius. Being able to lie, cover up, fake a smile, and being totally content after poisoning an entire family shows all the signs of being a certified sociopath. Being sneaky about it just makes it worse.

[@123leyang321]

To be honest, the guy isn't even a so called "genius". He left a pretty obvious trail of evidence and testimonies that made him a person of interest very quickly. Then left incriminating decisive evidence in his house after he moved out (the jeweler's screwdrivers and the bottles of chemicals with traces/residues of thallium). And later incriminated himself yet again by saying stuff that wasn't public knowledge that had matched what the case was about. Plenty of "less smart" criminals are more careful than that. Guy was a psycho narcissist without the actual intelligence to back it up... What a delusional piece of shit that man was. Glad to see the family got closure and the guy got an ending as painful as the poor mother he killed (as much as the justice system could provide, obviously, since so far it seems there wasn't a death by poisoning type of sentence).

[@MClove753]

He was a part of Mensa soooooo yea he was very very intelligent, I think he was so smart that it was his weakness thinking he outsmarted everyone… smart ppl often underestimate others and overestimate themselves and that’s what happen to this man, thought they didn’t have anything on him he thought he got away without leaving any evidence or anything tied to him.

[@alsmith9853]

He supposedly was a member of Mensa but he was stupid, gullible and a complete nutjob. I hope his time in jail was really unpleasant

[@luthequeen7963]

He actually is a genius, it’s a Mensa requirement. But you are correct in saying he was likely a narcissist which was his downfall; he did not believe he could get caught so he was not careful enough.

[@thisdude9363]

​@@luthequeen7963There's a lot more to being smart than IQ. IQ tests can be studied for the same as any other. The only thing being a MENSA genius denotes is that you're really good at taking tests.

[@leeduncan8764]

@@thisdude9363 no an iq test is problem solving you cant study for it i dont think.

[@tiffanypoppell725]

Genius doesn’t always mean street smart. He was very intelligent but that doesn’t mean he knew how to talk to the police or manipulate them in a way where they would believe him.

[@maury0009]

Wow, this video is absolutely fascinating! I had already seen it before, but the story is so intriguing that it's worth watching again. The Dubberly family's ordeal is both heartbreaking and mysterious. It's amazing how they eventually caught the perpetrator, George Trepal, with the help of Special Agent Susan Goreck's undercover work. Justice was served, and it's a testament to the dedication of law enforcement. Thanks for sharing this incredible story! 👏💯

[@eyden1562]

Agreed, I've also heard this story before but as I've binged all the rest of Unseen's videos, I'm fully willing to hear this story again!! Haha

[@maury0009]

@@eyden1562 Absolutely! It's one of those stories that never gets old, and Unseen's videos always add a fresh perspective. It's great to hear you're as excited as I am to revisit this fascinating case. 😄📺 Let's enjoy it together once more!

[@anthonymc8361]

sounds like a bot

[@maury0009]

@@anthonymc8361 Haha, I promise I'm not a bot! 🤖 Just genuinely enthusiastic about this incredible story.

[@maryjane4432]

@@maury0009have you heard the Erin Patterson case? She fed her ex in-laws mushrooms that were poisonous. Her and her kids didn’t eat them. She claims she didn’t know they were poisonous

[@ginasousabranco5637]

Unseen deserves all the praise from its viewers. It's one my favorits true-crime channels cause of its integrity

[@gloriaorth4628]

I remember watching "The Mensa killer" documentary. Poor family and brave copper for going undercover and risking her life to get the killer. The sicko put poison in their coke bottles. Peggy unfortunately, didn't make it. So glad they caught him.

[@nenegrey2282]

Narrator: "This was the work of a highly intelligent individual. One that would be really very to catch." Murderer: gives it away within the first 3 seconds of police questioning

[@Marrivaf]

This is quickly becoming my favorite KZbin true crime channel. Its so professionally done! Thank u for the uploads!

[@XicaMarrua]

This man was a potential serial killer in the making, with that torture chamber he made he would likely had more victims if it wasn't for that brave agent

[@Madkalibyr]

Susan is a hero ❤ my deepest condolences to the family

[@ТатьянаКорнакова-ы3ю]

The psycho actually had built a new torture device. Detective Goreck saved all of his potential victims

[@charliewilson4203]

Even knowing this case inside in out, you kinda make it new again. The way the music lulls and swells at the appropriate times is a game changer.

[@updownstate]

I'm a MENSA member and I'm here to tell you that being smart is not the same as having smarts.

[@kathrynbillinghurst188]

“I wouldn’t even HOLD Thallium in my hand!” That’s how DEADLY ☠️ it is!

[@bushlovesska]

Susan is a beast, respect for the detective

[@bonnieyuse5876]

They weren't Poisoned over loud music or noise...they were poisoned because the neighbors were jealous they didn't have a big happy family! 😩 he didn't kill them for not being as smart as him...but because they had a happy family, he was smarter and didn't...that ate him up...the Jealousy just ate him up!

[@hautehussey]

Was that why? Did he ever actually say?

[@feliznavidad6958]

Well he didnt like people so I doubt he wanted a family. No need to speculate. He's sadistic and evil, the end

[@pauljordan4452]

Jealousy is a bastard of an emotion.

[@sayadelavari8996]

That music at the end gives me goosebumps every single time. I love watching long true crime videos but I’m definitely enjoying these shorter videos also. Thank you 🙏. And you can tell that guy is evil just by looking at him…. I’m glad her son found his way in life and made her proud.

[@siobhankellymitchell8254]

That lady had such a beautiful face my heart breaks for her and bless her lovely family that thankfully survived .

[@mariawestman9026]

Thank you very much UNSEEN for presenting this case ! Much better done than the other channels have told it before. Great work as always ! 🙏

[@jaclynmarie5747]

I reckon I was around 12 when I first saw this case covered in Forensic Files. This case is what sparked my interest in forensic science. You did a great job of covering this case!!! Thanks for your videos and all your hard work you put into them

[@paulcarpenter7844]

Forensic files is one of the best shows I've ever seen 😊

[@jaclynmarie5747]

@@paulcarpenter7844 I fully agree!

[@HeyyMissCarter]

Go head Susan!! U gave this family the justice they deserved while sacrificing yourself. Takes a lot of bravery & courage to do that.

[@lexiemaep7930]

I cannot believe that neighbors like this exist. That's nuts

[@SilverWitch971]

I always find it interesting when people assert that it’s rare to unalive people with poison. Is it really all that rare or are they just rarely caught? From what we know about women serials, I definitely think that our documented data doesn’t match reality

[@sarahissersohn5495]

That’s a really good point! And also, should intentionally overdosing someone on an illicit substance count as poisoning? Because if so, I would suggest that maybe women aren’t the majority of poisoners, after all. A dear friend of mine was killed this way, and it wasn’t the first time her then-fiancée had shot his partner up with a deadly overdose including fentanyl; it had happened once before. That we know of. As far as I know he’s not been brought up on charges yet, for lack of evidence. She was a really cool person; I hope he doesn’t get the chance to do the same thing again, in the future.

[@mintpastill]

Rare maybe some say if they compare to other crimes in procent but still not that rare in reality I think there is a dark number out there world wide depending the poison and symptoms and if the doctors are high alert to that idea and knowledge and are able to run test even and here sudden a whole family comes in sick with similar symptoms together that are life threatening. Maybe sometimes the obituary can spot a potential cause in some cases? So yes the data is only what has been found so far and with these big amount slipped through like cases of overdose with any substances and insulin cases. So rarely caught in that case i would assume compared to other murder crimes. And about the women serials as well as in open rings, and a couple doing it either if they're in on it with the actual same like minded stamina together but one is more in charge tho both are high alert in on it, some are in as ingroomed or gaslighted half knowing or non knowing even. When murders no matter gender combine and work together sometimes. I think serials even working together mainly each one during the act see themself as prior over the other in some way and raise their own part more than the partners ofc where it's baffled to hear when he is not even in a interigation room admits it's not like "they" kill just anyone..... so he ain't blaming someone else to get less sentence at that point but still admits right there he wasen't alone with it, probably she agreed with the kill of the dogs? And what else? What happen to his wife? is there any good info about them as couple or interviews of them both to see here on yt?

[@raytracer5726]

I agree. If a person is game ended with a gun or a knife, it's undoutably a mordor case. But with poisoning it often looks like a natural cause. Also this is something a female ki11er would do (since they often lack the strenght), and people don't suspect a woman. With one of my relatives, there was a case when a husband drank a shot from a vodka bottle in the fridge, which was filled with pure 100% vinegar. The man died. The wife apparently filled the bottle and placed it in the fridge, knowing the drinking habit of his husband. But it was impossible to prove malicious intent, so she was never trialed. There are plenty of way to poison someone without getting caught.

[@Sassyglbeauty]

Wow. I have seen this story before, but I don’t remember hearing about the room he had built for her! That’s so damn scary!!

[@carolyndavison6095]

I've seen coverage on this vase before but none revealed the hidden room. Very creepy but arrogant man who committed this tragedy.

[@dennishumphries5610]

Makes one wonder what this, what i call the dregs of humanity did in his early life if after murdering people over a little loud music baring in mind of what he'd got in mind with the secret room in his new home is just unthinkable and terrifying

[@porygon1889]

i am so addicted to these videos this is the third one i've seen today and i just cant belive people would do these things

[@jesshover995]

New to unseen so glad iv found this channel iv binged watched all your videos!

[@TheCanadianGuy56]

When you talked about the son carrying his mother to his sisters car, I almost teared up man. Unless my memory is wrong he was suffering from the same poison, he was probably in pain and unwell himself.

[@louniece1650]

Vindictive people are extremely dangerous.

[@kevandre]

I don't care how safe you perceive the town you live in is, you lock your effing doors

[@nunyab8003]

I thought that was the Polk County sheriff!! Cool to see him here

[@nialeilakande]

❤❤❤I love him and admire him so much!!! 😮😮😮I said the same thing looks like 👀 that Polk county sheriff…. 😂😊

[@Wa1kerSta1ker0]

It's so sad to me because Dwayne was at an age where the loss of his mom hits hard. Of course every child would suffer from losing their mother, but younger children struggle to remember their parents once they've passed. He'll always love and miss his mom dearly.

[@sakurablossomss]

Love watching your channel!!! Thank you for spending your time educating and entertaining us!!

[@ebriggs3498]

That deputy/detective is now Sheriff Grady Judd of Polk Co. That man is the GOAT! ❤

[@Linda-in9ns]

Such a horrible thing. Wonderful lady detective! So sorry for all the pain they all went through! 😔my condolences to the family about your Dear Mother. 🙏🏼❤️

[@ApacheMagic]

That poor poor family. That undercover officer has real courage.

[@jrelevates1574]

The fact that Pye wasn't the murderer, makes him more of a dick.

[@kenneth9874]

That's pretty stupid

[@ch-qb7zr]

Bro what

[@angelat7957]

"He's not the kind of person to get mad. He's the kind that would get even." Chilling description. 😮

[@Vio_Lin.t]

My aunt is a self-taught chemist too, and when she heard about this case she threw away every bit of thallium and its isotopes.

[@kimmyk1]

Such a sick demented evil person. So sad for the family that was his target.

[@evrm0re916]

So, as far as I can tell... he's still alive. Peggy's been dead for over thirty years, yet he gets to be in his seventies. He could die in prison through natural means. This is what I hate about the death penalty, it really does feel like most people who are on death row don't actually see their execution date and die through natural means. Years after the sentencing, for that matter. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about him still being alive. The point about the death penalty still stands.)

[@Najda007]

He is still alive, writting unsuccessful appeals on his conviction. But life in prison is probably even worse than the death sentence. All good as long as he stays behind bars. He can be a brilliant piece of shit there 💩.

[@laurism12]

I thought he was executed..but hey, he is still behind bars, in a lot of this cases they let the criminals out and they go out and commit more crimes. He was building a torture chamber so even if he is still alive, the number of people who have been saved is unquantifiable

[@DennisTheInternationalMenace]

I would like to know more about the wife and how close was she to all of this concidering her profession. And was she apart of the secret rooms. Thank god that detective didnt go to the new house!

[@ley1557]

May God give Peggy a place in heaven and bless the family of Peggy❤

[@Gary-And-His-Demons]

The one thing this video didn't touch on was George's wife, Diane. Even though she was never charged, police firmly believed that she was behind it all. George was the shy, reserved, quiet one. Diane was the outgoing, talkative, socialite M.D. with her own private practice. She absolutely ran that house and wore the pants in their relationship. George even went out of his way to try to keep his wife from being implicated! She was the manipulative puppet master, and by all accounts, she despised her neighbors, the Carrs, even more than her husband did! I can't believe you don't mention any of this in your video!

[@BSJ-Unparalleled]

There’s a big difference between smart, and making smart decisions.

[@vlad-igor]

They should ask why he built the secret bedroom and for who? How does the wife seem so unbothered by these..

[@MitziHart]

This was so well documented and such a craZy true story,… Probably so many more details, albeit this could make for a really good nail bitting / who done it, Netflix series 😲

[@MitziHart]

…what I should have said was,…This video here, is actually as good, if not better than any Netflix crime series I’ve seen !!! And I’ve seen a few 😬…

[@maximirmschler4863]

Actually there is a Netflix series about this, it's called breaking bad

[@michelearmstead9762]

Wow, I live in Sebring and never even heard of this case. You did a phenomenal job of telling this story. Thanks for sharing.

[@SirDankleberry]

Ego is usually the downfall for a lot of "high IQ" criminals. If he had just kept his mouth shut they'd still suspect the husband but he made himself a suspect.

[@stephanie-atarahrose.8149]

Can you hurt someone else without being egotistical?

[@pauljordan4452]

​@@stephanie-atarahrose.8149I don't have an ego yet a lot of people piss me off.

[@eyesofstatic9641]

@@stephanie-atarahrose.8149of course you can. If you’re defending your family or friends from attack

[@yw2754]

I remember this case from watching Mr. Ballen, as he also covered it! Very interesting video.

[@user-gj1me4mf5c]

Ballen sucks. He always waves his arms about like a lunatic. What's even worse, he always tells us what the victim or perpetrator is thinking and feeling. Wth??? He can't possibly know that. It's absurd he would know what a dead person is thinking or feeling as they are dying. Insulting to the victims! I quit watching him. Good true crime channels present the case and leave it to viewers to imagine what others are thinking/feeling. Good for the comments section also.

[@lunarlunatick]

The biggest crime this documentary presents is how a little over 30 years ago a WAITRESS could single-handedly support herself and raise her 3 children... these days a waitress can barely afford to feed herself forget about trying to raise a kid, let alone 3.